MMA GSD For March - The Michael Bisping Appreciation Station

[Stormtrooper]

Fedor vs. Lesnar before the end of the year, no doubt. No way in hell Zuffa doesn't cash that thing in now before both fighters lose anymore luster.

do you think Dana would want to risk Lesnar? It may be a marquee matchup, but the loser of that is done, and Dana doesn't necessarily like Fedor. To risk losing Lesnar to a guy that Dana wouldn't want to begin with wouldn't be smart.

 

[Shocky]

I know he loves Lesnar, but if Lesnar gets handled in his next fight, he'll lose credibility big time. Carwin nearly knocked him out, Velasquez handled him pretty good, and if JDS takes him out, you have to pull the trigger soon.

 

[ITurnGirlsGay]

You guys need to realize that Dana doesn't hate "Fedor." Dana hates M-1 (much like most people) and he hates that he didn't have Fedor. That's what he hates. Dana talked a grip of shit about Kimbo until he had Kimbo. He talked a grip of shit about Shields until he had Shields. Dana talks shit about every fighter that he doesn't have until he gets them. Once he gets them they're the greatest fighter of all time.

 

[INDYjon22]

For some reason I don't this all that crazy as everyone else seems to be. Shocking? Yes. But I really don't see how it will change anything. UFC is still one company and SF is another. Both have different guys in charge and unless Zuffa merges the two nothing will change what either company is doing.

 

[Stormtrooper]

For some reason I don't this all that crazy as everyone else seems to be. Shocking? Yes. But I really don't see how it will change anything. UFC is still one company and SF is another. Both have different guys in charge and unless Zuffa merges the two nothing will change what either company is doing.

yes, but is it really good business to keep both companies separate? Maybe in the short term, but eventually (much like WEC) I would think they will have to merge, unless they decide to use Strikeforce like an official Minor League for the UFC, and promote the best guys to the big time, and relegate the lower UFC guys to Strikeforce.

Yes, they owned WEC for years, but they also made WEC different by having different weight divisions then UFC (namely featherweight and bantamweight). How can they make Strikeforce different from UFC to warrant having 2 distinct companies?

 

[INDYjon22]

yes, but is it really good business to keep both companies separate? Maybe in the short term, but eventually (much like WEC) I would think they will have to merge, unless they decide to use Strikeforce like an official Minor League for the UFC, and promote the best guys to the big time, and relegate the lower UFC guys to Strikeforce.

Yes, they owned WEC for years, but they also made WEC different by having different weight divisions then UFC (namely featherweight and bantamweight). How can they make Strikeforce different from UFC to warrant having 2 distinct companies?

True and that is definitely a good argument. I don't see SF staying SF forever. Eventually it will merge into the UFC. I just don't see that happening anytime soon. Also, WEC did have the same weight classes as the UFC for a long time, only near the end of their run did that take away their bigger weight classes and focus more on the smaller guys.

It will be interesting to see what happens from this point on. But, this just won't be a big deal to me until I actually see Nick Diaz, Reem, and Fedor in a UFC octagon. Just one fans view on this.

I will say it is shocking how fast this came about. They did an impressive job keeping this under wraps until now.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

yes, but is it really good business to keep both companies separate? Maybe in the short term, but eventually (much like WEC) I would think they will have to merge, unless they decide to use Strikeforce like an official Minor League for the UFC, and promote the best guys to the big time, and relegate the lower UFC guys to Strikeforce.

Yes, they owned WEC for years, but they also made WEC different by having different weight divisions then UFC (namely featherweight and bantamweight). How can they make Strikeforce different from UFC to warrant having 2 distinct companies?

Make Strikeforce a place for up and comers and guys trying to get their careers back on track. Basically what it is now. Problem solved.

Strikeforce is dead after the Showtime deal expires anyway. Frank Shamrock must be shitting his pants right now, I love it.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Make Strikeforce a place for up and comers and guys trying to get their careers back on track. Basically what it is now. Problem solved.

Strikeforce is dead after the Showtime deal expires anyway. Frank Shamrock must be shitting his pants right now, I love it.

yeah, but there's a big difference between what it currently is and what it could be if an official Minor League company.

Before, UFC doesn't control the Strikeforce roster, and can't pick and choose the best. Now with them all in the same company, they can pick and choose.

Yes, Strikeforce is a top indy company where UFC Castoffs and guys not good enough for UFC can ply their trade, but if it becomes officially a Minor League type deal, then they will all be working for UFC, and can literally fight their way into the company (and conversely fight their way out of the main company).

Ironically, Strikeforce is kinda like WCW was(except maybe they have better matchmaking). Maybe Dana won't screw up Strikeforce like Vince screwed up the Invasion. If UFC makes a cross promotional PPV with Brock Lesnar, GSP, 2 mid-level Strikeforce guys, and someone related to Dana White as Team Strikeforce in a best of 5 series Winner Take All PPV then he screwed it up...... (01 Survivor series joke)


Actually, a cross promotional PPV would be cool.

 

[Fizzy]

I love Zuffa, and Dana. I am so fucking happy. Hopefully SF folds, and the UFC gets Gil, Reem, Jacare, and Diaz. It's only a matter of time just like this purchase.

 

[ITurnGirlsGay]

yes, but is it really good business to keep both companies separate? Maybe in the short term, but eventually (much like WEC) I would think they will have to merge, unless they decide to use Strikeforce like an official Minor League for the UFC, and promote the best guys to the big time, and relegate the lower UFC guys to Strikeforce.

Yes, they owned WEC for years, but they also made WEC different by having different weight divisions then UFC (namely featherweight and bantamweight). How can they make Strikeforce different from UFC to warrant having 2 distinct companies?

Women's MMA. Dana doesn't want to deal with it and StrikeForce already has an "established" division. That alone would be enough to separate it.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Women's MMA. Dana doesn't want to deal with it and StrikeForce already has an "established" division. That alone would be enough to separate it.

yeah, unless they make Strikeforce a 100% womens company, then it still doesn't make a difference. 1 different division doesn't make enough reason to keep an entire 2nd company. They need to offer a mostly different product (like WEC did with the lower weight-classes), or be an official Minor League for UFC, otherwise they'd be in direct competition with themselves, which won't help either company.

 

[ITurnGirlsGay]

Not necessarily. They'd have a nitsche in StrikeForce which would make them different. Plus, you have to remember that there's still a deal with Showtime in place. If anything, which I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned, Zuffa will increase the regularity and validity of the StrikeForce brand. Now that Zuffa owns it, the Women's division becomes a lot more appealing because, whether people like them or not, Zuffa has shown an ability to promote and stabilize talent within a division. WEC operated very successfully as a promotion when purchase by the UFC. Fighters that won't do well in the UFC (Jacare, Noons, Gurgel, Arlovski, etc), but are still a big draw can help StrikeForce stabilize until Zuffa decides whether to blend or operate them independently for a long term basis. People aren't going to "not watch" StrikeForce simply because they're owned by Zuffa and not blended anymore than they didn't watch WEC. If anything, more people will tune in because Dana will make sure the fights are properly promoted and put out there. StikeForce heavily lacked in this area. Zuffa will fix that problem majorly.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

Not necessarily. They'd have a nitsche in StrikeForce which would make them different. Plus, you have to remember that there's still a deal with Showtime in place. If anything, which I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned, Zuffa will increase the regularity and validity of the StrikeForce brand. Now that Zuffa owns it, the Women's division becomes a lot more appealing because, whether people like them or not, Zuffa has shown an ability to promote and stabilize talent within a division. WEC operated very successfully as a promotion when purchase by the UFC. Fighters that won't do well in the UFC (Jacare, Noons, Gurgel, Arlovski, etc), but are still a big draw can help StrikeForce stabilize until Zuffa decides whether to blend or operate them independently for a long term basis. People aren't going to "not watch" StrikeForce simply because they're owned by Zuffa and not blended anymore than they didn't watch WEC. If anything, more people will tune in because Dana will make sure the fights are properly promoted and put out there. StikeForce heavily lacked in this area. Zuffa will fix that problem majorly.

Thats's one of the first things I said about them owning SF, the marketing and promoting well be much better.



There won't be any type of merge for a few years, unless Zuffa/UFC make a deal with Showtime.

 

[Tha Wolfpac]

There will be no merger until Dana White/Zuffa absolutely juices all he can out of the current Strikeforce that is together. He could use it as like a developmental type of promotion. Guys who have lost three in a row instead of being cut directly, they could drop down into Strikeforce or something along those lines. But man there is nothing to complain about this is just awesome for us, as fans.

 

[INDYjon22]

Maybe Jardine will be back in Zuffa sooner now.

 

[Super Hans]

Here's the salary of each UFC fighter for 2010
Total $26,778,900
Average $101,052

2010 Year in Review: UFC Fighter Salaries | Salary Main

Here's the salary of each UFC fighter for 2010

This of course is not including sponsor ship deals, or PPV cuts.

1 Georges St-Pierre *$**** 900,000
2 Michael Bisping* *$**** 885,000
3 Brock Lesnar *$**** 875,000
4 Rashad Evans *$**** 785,000
5 Rampage Jackson* *$**** 750,000
6 B.J. Penn * *$**** 680,000
7 Matt Hughes* *$**** 560,000
8 Anderson Silva * *$**** 520,000
9 Chuck Liddell *$**** 500,000
10 James Toney *$**** 500,000
11 Randy Couture *$**** 500,000
12 Mirko Cro Cop* *$**** 460,000
13 Lyoto Machida* *$**** 400,000
14 Wanderlei Silva* *$**** 400,000
15 Cain Velasquez * *$**** 390,000
16 Chris Leben *$**** 316,000
17 Mauricio Rua *$**** 315,000
18 Matt Serra* *$**** 300,000
19 Junior dos Santos *$**** 260,000
20 Josh Koscheck * *$**** 259,000
21 Big Nog $**** 250,000
22 Tito Ortiz * $**** 250,000
23 Carlos Condit* *$**** 249,000
24 Lil Nog $**** 245,000
25 Demian Maia * *$**** 244,000
26 Nate Marquardt* *$**** 240,000
27 Joe Lauzon* *$**** 238,000
28 Jon Fitch * *$**** 228,000
29 Kenny Florian * *$**** 225,000
30 Rich Franklin *$**** 225,000
31 Yoshihiro Akiyama* *$**** 225,000
32 Diego Sanchez *$**** 220,000
33 Chael Sonnen *$**** 219,000
34 Mac Danzig* *$**** 212,000
35 Stephan Bonnar* *$**** 212,000
36 Chris Lytle * *$**** 206,000
37 Mark Munoz* *$**** 205,000
38 George Sotiropoulos $**** 202,000
39 Paulo Thiago *$**** 196,000
40 Frankie Edgar * *$**** 192,000
41 Nate Diaz* *$**** 192,000
42 Shane Carwin* *$**** 185,000
43 Sam Stout* *$**** 183,000
44 Kendall Grove * *$**** 178,000
45 Dennis Siver * *$**** 175,000
46 Ricardo Almeida* *$**** 175,000
47 Jim Miller* *$**** 170,000
48 Gerald Harris * *$**** 167,000
49 Cheick Kongo* *$**** 165,000
50 Takanori Gomi* *$**** 160,000
51 Evan Dunham* *$**** 157,000
52 Clay Guida *$**** 156,000
53 Jake Shields *$**** 150,000
54 Sean Sherk* *$**** 150,000
55 Vladimir Matyushenko$**** 149,000
56 Marcus Davis *$**** 145,000
57 Joe Stevenson * *$**** 144,000
58 Thiago Alves* *$**** 144,000
59 Kurt Pellegrino * *$**** 140,000
60 Cole Miller* *$**** 138,000
61 Jon Jones *$**** 136,000
62 Phil Davis* *$**** 136,000
63 Frank Mir * *$**** 135,000
64 Keith Jardine * *$**** 135,000
65 Matt Hamill *$**** 135,000
66 Stefan Struve* *$**** 135,000
67 Gabriel Gonzaga *$**** 134,000
68 Yushin Okami* *$**** 128,000
69 Krzysztof Soszynski $**** 125,000
70 Jared Hamman* *$**** 123,000
71 Martin Kampmann *$**** 123,000
72 Rafael dos Anjos* *$**** 119,000
73 Charles Oliveira* *$**** 110,000
74 C.B. Dollaway * *$**** 106,000
75 John Howard* *$**** 106,000
76 DaMarques Johnson $**** 105,000
77 Rory MacDonald *$**** 105,000
78 Daniel Roberts *$**** 104,000
79 Melvin Guillard* *$**** 104,000
80 Alan Belcher * *$**** 103,000
81 Paul Daley* *$**** 102,200
82 Johny Hendricks* *$**** 102,000
83 Matt Mitrione* *$**** 102,000
84 Ben Rothwell *$**** 100,000
85 Joey Beltran * *$**** 100,000
86 Ryan Jensen *$***** 97,000
87 Jeremy Stephens * *$***** 95,000
88 Mark Bocek* *$***** 95,000
89 Jason Brilz *$***** 94,000
90 Mike Pyle* *$***** 93,000
91 Brian Stann *$***** 91,000
92 Dan Miller* *$***** 90,000
93 Gilbert Yvel *$***** 90,000
94 Mike Russow *$***** 89,000
95 Tyson Griffin* *$***** 88,000
96 Gray Maynard *$***** 86,000
97 Carlos Vemola* *$***** 84,000
98 Aaron Simpson* *$***** 78,000
99 Spencer Fisher* *$***** 78,000
100 Rodney Wallace* *$***** 77,000
101 Pascal Krauss* *$***** 76,000
102 Amir Sadollah* *$***** 75,000
103 Roy Nelson* *$***** 75,000
104 Nik Lentz* *$***** 73,000
105 Paul Sass* *$***** 72,000
106 Court McGee *$***** 71,000
107 Brian Foster * *$***** 70,000
108 Tom Lawlor* *$***** 70,000
109 Mark Scanlon* *$***** 68,000
110 Rick Story* *$***** 68,000
111 Dong Hyun Kim *$***** 64,000
112 Leonard Garcia *$***** 62,000
113 Brandon Vera *$***** 60,000
114 Brendan Schaub *$***** 60,000
115 Dennis Hallman* *$***** 60,000
116 Efrain Escudero *$***** 60,000
117 Mark Coleman *$***** 60,000
118 Ryan Bader* *$***** 60,000
119 Gleison Tibau * *$***** 57,000
120 Kyle Kingsbury* *$***** 56,000
121 Dustin Hazelett* *$***** 55,800
122 Thiago Silva *$***** 55,000
123 Ross Pearson* *$***** 54,000
124 Matthew Riddle* *$***** 52,000
125 Paul Kelly* *$***** 51,000
126 Duane Ludwig* *$***** 48,000
127 Jon Madsen * *$***** 48,000
128 Paul Taylor* *$***** 48,000
129 Tim Boetsch* *$***** 48,000
130 Cody McKenzie *$***** 46,000
131 Nam Phan *$***** 46,000
132 James Wilks* *$***** 45,000
133 Mike Massenzio *$***** 45,000
134 Thiago Tavares* *$***** 45,000
135 Jake Ellenberger *$***** 44,000
136 Mike Swick *$***** 43,000
137 Alessio Sakara *$***** 42,000
138 Patrick Cote* *$***** 42,000
139 Andre Winner * *$***** 40,000
140 Caol Uno * *$***** 40,000
141 James Irvin *$***** 40,000
142 Karo Parisyan* *$***** 40,000
143 Mike Pierce *$***** 40,000
144 Paul Buentello *$***** 40,000
145 Rich Antonito *$***** 40,000
146 Jacob Volkmann * *$***** 38,000
147 Pablo Garza *$***** 38,000
148 Jorge Rivera * *$***** 36,000
149 Rob Emerson* *$***** 36,000
150 Dave Branch* *$***** 34,000
151 John Hathaway* *$***** 33,000
152 Chris Camozzi *$***** 32,000
153 Chris Tuchscherer *$***** 32,000
154 Kyle Noke* *$***** 32,000
155 Dan Lauzon *$***** 30,000
156 Frank Trigg *$***** 30,000
157 John Salter * *$***** 30,000
158 Matt Brown* *$***** 30,000
159 Nate Quarry* *$***** 30,000
160 Nick Osipczak* *$***** 30,000
161 Rafaello Oliveira* *$***** 30,000
162 John Gunderson* *$***** 29,000
163 Igor Pokrajac* *$***** 28,000
164 Matt Wiman *$***** 28,000
165 Rob Kimmons* *$***** 27,000
166 Brad Blackburn * *$***** 26,000
167 Jason MacDonald * *$***** 26,000
168 Mario Miranda *$***** 26,000
169 Mike Guymon *$***** 26,000
170 Kimbo Slice * *$***** 25,000
171 Ben Saunders * *$***** 24,000
172 Charlie Brenneman* $***** 24,000
173 Claude Patrick* *$***** 24,000
174 Rousimar Palhares* *$***** 21,000
175 Aaron Riley *$***** 20,000
176 Darren Elkins *$***** 20,000
177 Seth Petruzelli* *$***** 20,000
178 TJ Grant* *$***** 20,000
179 Luiz Cane * $***** 19,000
180 Alesander Gustafsson$***** 18,000
181 Cyrille Diabate* *$***** 18,000
182 Greg Soto* *$***** 18,000
183 Sean McCorkle* *$***** 18,000
184 Travis Browne* *$***** 18,000
185 Waylon Lowe* *$***** 18,000
186 Tomasz Drwal* *$***** 17,200
187 Brad Tavares *$***** 16,000
188 James McSweeney*$***** 16,000
189 Jonathan Brookins *$***** 16,000
190 Kris McCray* *$***** 16,000
191 Kyle Watson *$***** 16,000
192 Ricardo Romero *$***** 16,000
193 Yves Edwards* *$***** 16,000
194 Goran Reljic * *$***** 15,000
195 Rolles Gracie *$***** 15,000
196 Jesse Lennox *$***** 14,000
197 Nick Catone *$***** 14,000
198 Tim Hague* *$***** 14,000
199 Eric Shaefer *$***** 13,000
200 Anthony Waldburger$***** 12,000
201 David Loiseau *$***** 12,000
202 Edson Barboza* *$***** 12,000
203 Fabio Maldonado* *$***** 12,000
204 Forrest Petz* *$***** 12,000
205 James Te-Huna* *$***** 12,000
206 Jesse Forbes *$***** 12,000
207 Joe Doerksen* *$***** 12,000
208 John Makdessi* *$***** 12,000
209 Julio Paulino* *$***** 12,000
210 Maiquel Falcao* *$***** 12,000
211 Mark Holst* *$***** 12,000
212 Pat Audinwood* *$***** 12,000
213 Rafael Natal* *$***** 12,000
214 Rob Broughton* *$***** 12,000
215 Sean Pierson* *$***** 12,000
216 Pat Barry * $***** 11,000
217 Chase Gormley *$***** 10,000
218 Elliot Marshall *$***** 10,000
219 Fabricio Camoes * *$***** 10,000
220 Ian Loveland *$***** 10,000
221 Phillipe Nover *$***** 10,000
222 Terry Etim* *$***** 10,000
223 Shannon Gugerty *$******* 9,000
224 Aaron Wilkinson *$******* 8,000
225 Alexandre Ferreira* $******* 8,000
226 Carlos Rocha $******* 8,000
227 Dong Yi Yang *$******* 8,000
228 Gabe Ruediger *$******* 8,000
229 James Hammortree *$******* 8,000
230 Jamie Yager *$******* 8,000
231 Josh Bryant *$******* 8,000
232 ****** Bucholz *$******* 8,000
233 Kyle Bradley *$******* 8,000
234 Michael Johnson *$******* 8,000
235 Peter Sobotta* *$******* 8,000
236 Ronys Torres* *$******* 8,000
237 Savo Chivitchian *$******* 8,000
238 Seth Baczynski *$******* 8,000
239 Todd Duffee *$******* 8,000
240 Yoshiyuki Yoshida* *$******* 8,000
241 Jonathan Goulet* *$******* 7,000
242 Mustafa Al Turk* *$******* 7,000
243 Amilcar Alves *$******* 6,000
244 Anthony Perosh* *$******* 6,000
245 Christian Morecraft *$******* 6,000
246 David Mitchell* *$******* 6,000
247 Jason High* *$******* 6,000
248 Jay Silva * $******* 6,000
249 Jesse Bongfelt* *$******* 6,000
250 Kurt Warburton* *$******* 6,000
251 Lucio Linhares* *$******* 6,000
252 Mike Lullo* *$******* 6,000
253 Rory Markham* *$******* 6,000
254 Steve Lopez* *$******* 6,000
255 Steve Steinbeiss *$******* 6,000
256 T.J. O'Brien* *$******* 6,000
257 Todd Brown *$******* 6,000
258 Vinicius Queiroz* *$******* 6,000
259 Nicholas Pace *$******* 5,400
260 Joe Brammer *$******* 5,000
261 Matt Veach* *$******* 5,000
262 Ricardo Funch *$******* 5,000
263 Fredson Paixao *$******* 4,000
264 Will Campuzano *$******* 3,300
265 Tyler Toner *$3,000

I knew Bisping was a big earner in the UFC, but holy shit, number 2?!?

 

[Fizzy]

I can't wait for UFC 129. That looks like it will be the best PPV the UFC has ever put on. We already know how good the atmosphere will be with GSP at home.

I figured Bisping would be up there. Surprised with Liddell, and Mirko so high though as well as Serra.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

I figured Bisping would be up there. Surprised with Liddell, and Mirko so high though as well as Serra.

Liddell made 500k for the Franklin fight, his only in 2010. I'm sure it was just a flat rate, no win bonus if he had won. I don't think Mirko is that big of a surprise, he fought 3 times and won twice. I think Mirko gets like 75k to show plus another 75k if he wins, he also had the 85k bonus for SOTN. Serra is a surprise though.

 

[Fizzy]

Mirko didn't beat top competition though. He had an embarrassing fight against Mir, and a ugly fight against Barry. Frankie Edgar is 40th, and he beat BJ twice! Jeez that sucks.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

Mirko didn't beat top competition though. He had an embarrassing fight against Mir, and a ugly fight against Barry. Frankie Edgar is 40th, and he beat BJ twice! Jeez that sucks.

It doesn't matter who you fight, or how you look in it, what matters is what your contract is said to pay you. It would be different if they were paid on a fight by fight basis.

 

[Fizzy]

I understand that. I however do not understand how he was being paid so much. Again Frankie Edgar made $192,000 for winning two title fights, and Mirko made $400,000+ for three fights with one loss. I don't think he is worth that much to be completely honest, but then again this is the same company paying Tito $250,000 for a loss.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

I see where your're coming from. Don't forget though that that's just what's reported and people like Edgar probably got a cut for performance based, like you said beating BJ twice, just stuff under the table, or worked differently.

 

[Fizzy]

Probably. He deserves it.

 

[ITurnGirlsGay]

You also need to realize that Cro-Cop causes people to buy fights. Not so much anymore, but he did and, to a certain extent, still does.

Edgar is still very young in his career. He will eventually start selling fights. Not to mention that I'm pretty he got FOTN bonuses for his last 3 fights and backstage bonuses.

People like Lesnar, GSP, Bisping, etc...make so much because they sell so much. When you see those names on a card, you're like, holy shit, I have to buy this card. Not to mention, I think the UFC does a better job of creating stacked cards with their bigger names.

Bones vs. Shogun is a really really good card.

Then you look at UFC 129 with Shields vs. GSP, it's got Aldo vs. Hominick, Couture vs. Machida, it fucking murders 128 with name draws alone.

GSP vs. Hardy had Mir vs. Carwin and Fitch vs. Saunders.

Look at UFC 112 Anderson vs. Maia, Edgar vs. Penn, Hughes vs. Gracie

It's like they load up certain cards to support their bigger names.

 

[jmt225]

Mac Danzig vs. Donald Cerrone has been added to UFC 131.

Oh man, I can't wait to see Danzig fuck that cunt up.