NFL Week Thirteen LD - Chargers/Jaguars MNF? That's, uh, that's just flat out awful.

FUUUUUCK!!!!!! Giants are keeping this game a little too close for comfort...

Speaking of NY, Sly or KB, CH David was wondering if you got around to changing his name back yet, from "I Love NY Dick" to "CH David".
 
Way to state the obvious.
And yet, the first you've acknowledged it. Probably says more about you than me.

Not at all.
Sure you are.

I give credit to a teams success to the components that are successful.
Like the Broncos QB, right? He's been successful.

With Denver the defense has been greatly improved since the start of the season
Coincidentally, they started playing better around the same time the Broncos started winning.

Of course, the Broncos, coincidentally, started winning when Tebow was inserted as QB. But I'm sure it was totally a coincidence. The Broncos defense just magically got much better the moment Tebow entered the game.

I couldn't see the Packers being any better then 8-8 without Rodgers and the same goes for New Orleans. That record doesn't get you in the playoffs. Just look at the Colts. I'd say Manning is more important to the Colts then arguably any qb has ever been to his team but no one saw a 0-12 start happening.
Wonderful, I was hoping you'd say that. So you agree then, the quarterback can make all the difference in the world in the winning or losing of a team, correct? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you disputed that before, but now that you do agree with it, it gets one of the potential arguments against Tebow out of the way.


So where does that leave us? That leaves us a team that was 1-4 before Tebow and 6-1 after. You chalk this up to this magical ability of the Broncos defense to suddenly get better. I, and many others, chalk this up to change in quarterback, and the system which evolved to accommodate this change. Basically what I'm saying is that on one side, we have your argument of magic and on my side the argument of a quarterback (a position you agree can make all the difference in the world in the fortunes of a team) who has always been a winner being inserted in the lineup.

Magic or the insertion of a winner...which one seems more believable...



Once you understand this is the same defense that went 1-4, you'll understand why Tebow has been so valuable to this team. At which point, once you recognize Tebow has been the difference between a 1-4 team and a 6-1 team, you'll understand why some people would be willing to consider him as a Most Valuable Player. Because, much like the Colts and Peyton whom you've mentioned earlier, without Tebow the Broncos wouldn't be sniffing the playoffs right now. Hell, you yourself agreed Orton wasn't a playoff quarterback, and yet Tebow has them on pace for a playoff spot.

Sounds pretty valuable to me.
 
FUUUUUCK!!!!!! Giants are keeping this game a little too close for comfort...

Speaking of NY, Sly or KB, CH David was wondering if you got around to changing his name back yet, from "I Love NY Dick" to "CH David".

If you're talking to him, tell him it's done.
 
Oh just great, Woodson leaving the game after a hit to the head. Please please please don't be a concussion
 
:rolleyes:Fuck the Giants, Pack needs to score.

For fuck sake, this is a bad bad time for GB's WR to forget how to catch:disappointed:
 
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! FUUUUUUCK!!!.....


AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! NY FUCKS UP, that would have been a HUGE stop for them too
 
I wish the Packers vs. Giants game was on...I have to watch 49ers vs. Rams...awful. It's been nothing but a punt fest over the last 10-12 minutes.
 
So where does that leave us? That leaves us a team that was 1-4 before Tebow and 6-1 after. You chalk this up to this magical ability of the Broncos defense to suddenly get better. I, and many others, chalk this up to change in quarterback, and the system which evolved to accommodate this change. Basically what I'm saying is that on one side, we have your argument of magic and on my side the argument of a quarterback (a position you agree can make all the difference in the world in the fortunes of a team) who has always been a winner being inserted in the lineup.

Magic or the insertion of a winner...which one seems more believable...

When there is a change in coaching and philosophy, improvement doesn't just happen at the drop of a dime. It takes time, it takes repetition, it takes in game situations. Denver's defense had to go through this to start the year.

Teams every year go from great in the first half to shitty in the second half and vice versa without any major changes happening. The New York Giants almost every year under Coughlin have had great first half's and shitty second half's with the same team. The Detroit Lions went from 5-0 to start this season to 2-4 in the last 6 games with the same team. None of that is magic it's just part of the game. Denver's defensive improvement wasn't 100% in sync with Tebow becoming the starter anyways. They gave up 45 points at home to the Lions in Tebow's second start of the year. It's a long season and you are going to see units play better or worse and there isn't always a specific reason for it.

Welcome to NFL football.
 
I wish the Packers vs. Giants game was on...I have to watch 49ers vs. Rams...awful. It's been nothing but a punt fest over the last 10-12 minutes.

Still?!? They useally switch blow out games like that over by the 4th quarter. Well at least that game is almost done, so you should get the last 5 mins. or so of Pack/Giants, which is an awesome game BTW:thumbsup:
 
On the other side of games, Dallas and Arizona are tied at 13's with a minute left in the 4th. If the Giants are to lose (which I still think that they can pull this off), a Cowboys loss wouldn't be too terrible.

Edit: SACKED!!!!
 
Dallas misses a 49 yard field goal to send the game in to overtime. A Giants win and Cowboys loss would be fantastic!
 
Ah you're up North of me. I never get Rams games down here.
No, I'm south, WAAAY south. Southeast actually.

Besides, you should consider yourself lucky.

When there is a change in coaching and philosophy, improvement doesn't just happen at the drop of a dime. It takes time, it takes repetition, it takes in game situations. Denver's defense had to go through this to start the year.
And magically turned it on when Tebow got named the starter. Yes, I'm well aware of your position.

Thank you for wasting our time saying the same thing I said.

Teams every year go from great in the first half to shitty in the second half and vice versa without any major changes happening.
But a major change did happen here. The change was the new quarterback.

Denver's defensive improvement wasn't 100% in sync with Tebow becoming the starter anyways.
But the winning was.

They gave up 45 points at home to the Lions in Tebow's second start of the year.
Ahh, so now you're saying the defense isn't really as great as you've been making it sound, only furthering the case for Tebow being a valuable component to his team.

Please keep posting. The more you do so the more you prove the argument Tebow should be considered a most valuable player.

Welcome to NFL football.
:lmao:

I'm sure you meant that to be some kickass finish to your post, but it's simply hilarious. As if I actually play the game. You remind me of the nerd who always thought he was superior to people in school, and delivered some corny movie-style line to finish his rant with. Cracks me up.

You know what the best part is? Your rant doesn't even TRY to refute the argument the Broncos wouldn't be in the same position right now if Orton had still be starting. I consider that an admission by you that Tebow has clearly been a big improvement in Denver, and thus, a major reason for their success. Making him quite valuable, correct? Wait, wait...let me try this...Welcome to Debating 101, with your instructor, and resident kick-ass debater, Professor Slyfox.

You have been schooled.
 
Still?!? They useally switch blow out games like that over by the 4th quarter. Well at least that game is almost done, so you should get the last 5 mins. or so of Pack/Giants, which is an awesome game BTW:thumbsup:

You called it...it's on now. Thank God.
 

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