Hey, at least the Chiefs picked up a win today. Plus, they have weapons, they just have to build around them. Probably get a new QB too.
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Hey, at least the Chiefs picked up a win today. Plus, they have weapons, they just have to build around them. Probably get a new QB too.
Ah, Smith's activated today. Good. He's a tad more explosive then Morris and he's been running well the past two weeks.
Sadly, our Secondary will be in deep shit. We're out 2 starters and are going against Brees. We better get some pressure and get some turnovers and Stafford better go back to the Denver game or the 2-4th quarters of Carolinas game. If we get some of his recent performances I don't like our chances. However, he isn't wearing the glove anymore and is supposedly healed finger. Let's hope.
Sadly, our Secondary will be in deep shit. We're out 2 starters and are going against Brees. We better get some pressure and get some turnovers and Stafford better go back to the Denver game or the 2-4th quarters of Carolinas game. If we get some of his recent performances I don't like our chances. However, he isn't wearing the glove anymore and is supposedly healed finger. Let's hope.
3 heavily related to the defense.
Just because you are valuable to your team doesn't mean that you are so valuable to them that you are in contention to be considered the most valuable in the league.
Because the defensive improvement has been just as important to the teams success. Tebow isn't leading the teams best unit from this winning streak.
He has done it with a ton of help. Help that wasn't there earlier in the season.
My statement was that the defense was more important to their 3-1 start then Tebow was and that was true. Today against the 2-9 Vikings was the first time Tebow led the offense and the Broncos to victory with not a whole ton of help from the defense. Over the last few weeks I haven't said Tebow wasn't valuable just that the defense was just as valuable and sometimes more valuable.
It's a winnable game, unlikely, though. If it turns into a shoot out and your offense can score at will, you have a shot (unless they just pop off). Otherwise, you have to hope the defense can make some stops.
I'd rather hope for a defensive battle but our weak secondary will probably be torched by Brees unless we're getting insane pressure by the front 4 or with the blitz.
And we'll need to hang 28-35 to have a real shot and make them actually drive for some TDs. And if Kevin Smith can run the way he has been it'll give them some balance.
I'm assuming you wouldn't include today's game, or the game against the Raiders in that, would you?
But when you're so valuable to your team, you go from last place (both last year and this year) to first place that should get you consideration as MOST valuable.
He did today.
Right. Because the defense hadn't taken their magic pill yet, right?
You're just being silly. No one is saying he IS the MVP, but to say he doesn't deserve consideration shows your lack of objectivity.
It doesn't matter what your statement was, what MY statement was is proof I've been kicking your ass the last couple weeks, to the point where even you are starting to agree with the argument Tebow has been valuable to the team.
But whatever. My schooling you comment was more about me mocking you and your "Welcome to NFL football" comment than trying to claim victory. Let's get back to the important issue which is you disagreeing with the premise that being the most valuable player on a team that has gone from worst to first shouldn't be considered as a league Most Valuable Player.
Again, understand that's not saying Tebow deserves it more than Rodgers or Brees or Brady, but for you to dismiss him as a potential MVP is just silly and shows your complete lack of objectivity regarding Tebow.
No. However, against the Raiders Denver was down going into the 4th and they won without Tebow completing a single pass in the quarter and not being responsible for any of the tds.
Stop with the magic pill bull shit. The defense as a unit finally adjusted to a complete change in philosophy, system, and personnel. Tebow starting didn't magically make the defense good just like the Giants just don't magically go from good to shit from the first half of the season to the second half.
Sometimes it does, in this situation it doesn't. Especially after just 7 starts where the numbers of the defense and the numbers of a guy like Willis McGahee are more impressive a lot of the time. Two of Denver's worst offensive performances numbers wise with Tebow came in the games where McGahee had a limited role due to injury. In fact with the exception of week one Denver has only gotten over 20 points in games that McGahee has run for over 100 yards.
It has nothing to do with Tebow and my opinion of him. Back in 2009 when VY led the Titans to an 8-2 record and the playoffs after a bad start I wasn't saying that he should be an MVP candidate. If Tebow was 6-1 as a starer while putting up impressive numbers every week and if he continued to do it over the last few weeks, then he'd be a candidate.
Exactly.
Uhh, that's your argument, not my argument. You're the one saying the defense suddenly turned it on at the same time Tebow got named the starter. Except for the game against the Lions. And the Raiders. And the Vikings.
Come to think about it, your argument doesn't really hold up at all, does it?
Except against the Lions. And the Raiders. And the Vikings.
No, but it did make the Broncos start winning.
Sure it does.
Yeah, okay.
So taking a losing team and making them a winner only matters if he has some arbitrarily determined quality stats?
Perhaps you're not familiar with the term "valuable"...
So I posed the question a week ago, and now I'll pose an updated version of the same question. Last week, I wondered, at 11-0 and 0-11 respectively with the Packers and the Colts, could we see an undefeated and a winless team in the same season? Both are rare accomplishments, with the former requiring a team of the Patriot's stature to pull off 
The consensus was that both feats would not happen, and some suggested that neither one would.
Now they are 12-0 and 0-12. Anyone want to change their opinion? Especially considering that today's game was the one that if any, the Pack was most likely to lose.
The consensus was that both feats would not happen, and some suggested that neither one would.Now they are 12-0 and 0-12. Anyone want to change their opinion? Especially considering that today's game was the one that if any, the Pack was most likely to lose.
I think it would depend on whether the Packers sit their players in the last couple of weeks or play them.
Good point, except at 10-2, the 49'ers are, somehow, lurking and could sneak in there to steal the number one seed. Plus, I've always been a believer in the importance of momentum. Teams that historically rest late in the season to gear up for the playoffs, suffer the consequences.
If I was the Packers, with a chance to do something historic, I'd be going for it, especially considering they already have a Superbowl from last season.
I didn't know I was saying the Broncos D were the 85' Bears. They have been greatly improved from the start of the season and have contributed a lot to the improved record. Just as much as Tebow and more so in some of the games. Today is the first game I'd say the play of Tebow was most important to the team winning.
No but the fact that his stats are solid at best shows that he obviously isn't out there single handedly leading this improvement. He may be the catalyst for some of the improvement but it has been the combined factors of every facet of the team improving and not all is related to Tebow.
You are forgetting the word "Most." He certainly isn't the most valuable or in contention right now.
I've been a Giants fan for a while now, and I know how you're feeling.
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No, you said they were the big reason the Broncos are 6-1 since Tebow took over as a starter. And yet, in three of those games, they've been anything but good.
There are far more ways a quarterback influences a game than his passing numbers.
You keep talking about stats, and are forgetting the quarterback is more important to the team than simply stats.
No, I'm very aware of the entire phrase. How can taking a team from last place to first not making him one of the most valuable players? What can be more valuable than taking a losing team and making them winners?
Again, no one is saying he should win, but for you to say he doesn't deserve consideration shows either a lack of objectivity or stupidity. I'll let you choose which you are.