Hypocrite means saying something or giving your belief on a subject, but you do the same things you say are wrong. Cena being fired, then giving his farewell speech , only to keep coming back is the EPITOME OF HYPOCRISY. He even gave some emotional speech about spending some time with his mom. You see he NEVER intended to spend time at home with his mom. It was all BULLSHIT, just like everything Cena does week after he week.
As has been pointed out, Cena's creed has always been "Never Give Up". To accept unemployment without fighting back would have been hypocritical of him. It was never his "belief" that he should accept the firing quietly, thus it wasn't hypocritical of him to show up and do his attacks. Also, if you're going to be so literal about kayfabe bullshit, that was Juan Cena, not John.
He's a phony, CM Punk said so and Dwayne said so,
Do you believe everything they tell you?
and anyone with a brain can see he's just as big a phony as Hulk Hogan did. Hell, Hogan did charity for kids in his day, but he's still a pathetic asshole. Hell, just ask Roddy Piper.
As Hogan did what? Oh, nevermind, I get it. We've just pushed your childish mentality to the limit and you're starting to crack. Anyway, like everything else you say this is all speculative bullshit at best, rooted not in reality but in the twisted perception inside your damaged head. To put it another way, this is just shit you're making up.
How is Cena a phony? He does his job, he clearly does a good job of it or else they wouldn't let him keep it, and he does so without having to resort to obscenities or constant beer references. What is phony about him? That he plays a character on tv? THEY ALL PLAY CHARACTERS, dummy! You people think that all these Attitude Era stars were really all playing themselves, it just goes to show how gullible you were as a child. It's all an act, each and every single person out there, Punk included. You think that Punk's act isn't predetermined, that it isn't already calculated to get the kind of reaction out of overgrown marks like you that it gets? As much as I like the guy, Punk is just as much a phony as Rock and Cena by your logic, dude. You just don't see it that way because you happen to agree with the bullshit Punk says over Cena.
Oh, and Family Guy and South Park use variations of toilet humor yet they are still intelligent with the material and are funny. If you don't enjoy Rock promos then in my opinion you have no sense of humor.
First of all, I'd hardly call Family Guy intelligent, and South Park only barely crosses that line. Secondly, Family Guy and South Park shoot for an entirely different audience than what WWE is shooting for. They are allowed to make jokes and episodes based on concepts that WWE in this day and age wouldn't touch. And that's cool about your opinion, but for all this talk about Cena making poopy jokes, I've only heard him do it a handful of times, none of which were within the last few months. Meanwhile, Rock has been saying the same line for over 10 years now. It's a little old and played out. So go ahead and claim I have no sense of humor; I just don't laugh at the same joke over and over and over and over again. We get it Rock. Pie, jabronis, turn stuff sideways and stick it up an ass.
Whether Cena is restricted or not, he's not funny. He also has a lot of backstage pull, certainly more than CM Punk has ever had, yet Punk has started to change the product for the better which further proves what a douche Cena is.
And here we are again with how much of a mark you are interfering with your ability to reason. Yes, PUNK has changed so much by merely doing what the WWE has LET him do. And really, what has he changed? Again, I'm more of a Punk fan that I am a Cena fan, but not foolish enough to think that he really did much more than get himself over by name dropping Heyman and cracking Cena jokes.
On top of which, how does that "prove" Cena is a douche? It doesn't, that's what. It's just more failure from you at a game of "Connect The Dots". It's you making up things where ever it suites you. Punk calls out Cena for being a top guy, yet only does so because he wants to be top guy and be on all the merch and shit. Punk talks shit about only a certain type making it in the company, even though most of the truly greatest in the history of the company don't actually fit the stereotypical mold that he has described.
He knows that people with testicles who enjoy manly entertainment aren't ever going to like him because he comes off looking like a sissy who panders to women and kids.
Ooh, look at you, tough guy. You're so fucking macho. Get the fuck over yourself. You're a wannabe alpha male. "Manly entertainment"? HAHAHAHAHAHA! You're watching a kid's show, dumbass. You're watching a product meant for a market other than yourself, and you are actually trying to impose your own anachronistic values onto it. You are some piece of work. "People with testicles"? I've a nice pair myself, and here I am kicking the shit out of you up and down this thread. You're welcome.
That fact is his own fault. He's not that talented and only women and kids ( for the most part) are going to buy him as a legitimate main eventer.
The numbers prove otherwise. Of course, I think we established a long time ago that numbers and real logic don't have any place in your world, big boy. Go ahead and talk that shit about only women and kids liking him. It's provably wrong, but I like letting you look like an uneducated typical male douche bag.
Just listen to the fucking crowd reactions if you want proof. Nobody forced Cena to become a pro wrestler. The problem with pro wrestling's scripted nature is that a promoter can force a guy down the world's throats and hope people become brain washed and finally accept it.
This is a fallacy I find often in debates and discussions about wrestling in the modern age; this belief that the booker has the power to just plaster a guy all over the place and beating the audience into submission. This is just laughable. It's more Cena-hating rhetoric that just blatantly ignores the effect Cena has had in the ability to market the WWE and the numbers he pulls in on merch alone. If it were that easy to push a guy to the top, don't you think the WWE would have done it sooner to replace guys like Rock and Austin when they left? Why wait so long until the Cena craze took off? I mean, by your logic, it clearly couldn't have been that Cena's fanbase built up over time, from when he was a new guy taking on Angle to being JBL's foil. It couldn't be that he, GASP, got over all on his own and showed the bookers that he was worth investing time and angles into? No, not at all...
Now I get why you defend him. You are apparently all for the company guy who sells shitty merchandise to naive kids and women. Maybe that is the norm as WWE and pro wrestling in general as we know it now has only been around for about 26 years. I however am thankful that my childhood era was the Attitude Era. I bought plenty of merchandise of a guy who drunk beer, flipped people off, and kicked his boss's ass and I'm damn proud of it. You can have your sissy babyface.
You can have your drunken wifebeater. Seems to fit well with your narrow view of the world. I like Punk more than I like Cena. Fuck, I like Del Rio, Rhodes, Sheamus, and Bryan more than I like Cena. I just don't like seeing dumb people like you spouting off their mouths without being taken to task for it.
Headman, you came late to the party. You will have to go read some earlier posts. I said Cena's "character" was a hypocrite. The whole Wade Barrett storyline was complete bullshit and that's not Cena's fault, but come on, Cena came off looking like a complete asshole in that whole situation.
Yes, because he was the asshole for standing up to defend his company and his friends. Because he was the asshole for taking the crusade against him personally and fighting back against it until the bitter end. How dare he, right? Fucking moron.
Not giving up is one thing, but actually getting fired and then telling people with an emotional speech that you are looking forward to the free time you will have, only to go back on your word and show up week after week until you get your way is the definition of lying and hypocrisy.
If you can't tell how this situation is not hypocrisy, there's no hope for you. The only two options left are that either you are desperately reaching for anything you can attack Cena with in hopes of influencing others to feel the way you do or you are genuinely ******ed enough to think that somehow you are making a point. Trust me, most of this forum is laughing at your stupidity here. Go on and keep spouting this off as some sort of point. You're only embarrassing yourself.
It was actually very amusing to me when CM Punk called Cena out on this shit in a promo. I'm speaking in terms of kayfabe in case some of you are wondering if I'm talking as if I believe wrestling isn't scripted.
And it was even funnier when HHH has called out Punk as merely saying what he knows will resonate with idiots like you so that he can get what he wants, making him by your own logic a "phony".
Punk needed the freedom to change things in WWE. Why not negotiate and get it. If Piper had've been able to do this, he wouldn't have unfairly been made Hogan's bitch. Piper and Jesse Ventura seemed to be the only two people on camera to know that Hogan was bullshit. However that's another story. And like I've said before, if Punk is in fact doing the things he is doing for himself and nobody else, it doesn't matter because it still changes the business for the better as a side effect.
How has Punk changed the business? He hasn't. He only succeeded in moving himself up the card. Everything else, every other change, has been only in "kayfabe". You think they made HHH the onscreen power only because of an interview the let Punk give? Wow, you must be pretty fucking stupid to think that. And you keep making these analogies to Hogan as if it's supposed to paint Hogan and Cena as the same guy, but they aren't. Were Cena to be a Hogan, he wouldn't be working every Raw and every house show on the circuit. He'd be sitting at home most days collecting a paycheck and getting his homies work that they don't deserve. You talk like a mark that think he knows what he is saying, but you really don't.
Besides as Punk himself has even said, he's a jerk, and he never claimed to wear a white hat. Cena on the other hand basically flaunts his metaphorical white hat. Also, the fact that Punk is an asshole is one of the biggest reasons I like him. Oh and Punk is the cool kind of asshole, not a douchy shmuck asshole like Orton.
So really this all boils down to you like Punk. Hey, I like Punk too. Probably my favorite around these days. Great guy. Awesome Twitter feed. But you pretty much paint the picture as "Punk knocks Cena, so I must knock him too". Or at least you already disliked Cena and so you use KAYFABE ACTIONS AND WORDS to somehow attempt to paint a picture of Cena being some sort of fraud or fake or liar when really he isn't. We get it; you're just another one of those old ass Attitude Era marks who can't let go of the past and who only cheers the guys that are specifically marketed to them like happy little sheep. You're no better than the "women and kids" than you make fun of, hope you know that.
This is a standard arguement that is given whenever someone says that Cena's sense of humor sucks. But it is a wrong one, in my opinion, and I have already mentioned why earlier in this thread but I'll just say it once again.
First of all The Rock had style and loads of it. It wasn't exactly what he said that mattered but the manner in which he said it. What fans liked was to see him come out and talk down his opponents in a booming voice while cutting them off in the middle of the promo and talking at the rate of knots which did not allow his opponent to get a word in. By comparison Cena's style looks uninspired and forced. He comes out with this goofy half grin on his face and is usually laughs a little at the end of his promo which comes off as him trying a little too hard. It looks as if he is begging the audience to laugh at him. People were into The Rock more for his style than his substance and Cena, when he tries to be a funny guy, has niether style nor substance.
Oddly enough, Cena's replies to The Rock had a lot more substance than Rock's insults to him. Style is subjective. We can argue in circles about that and no one would be more right than the other. However, substance? Rock came out and insulted Cena for wearing clothes. And for having music. And for kids and women liking him (despite the fact that, as a high schooler, I distinctly remember only girls liking Rock while most the guys were Foley or Austin fans). Cena questioned Rock for attacking him on these grouds, for knocking him doing the same kind of things he did in his own time. Rock mades silly forced jokes about cereal and transvestites, clearly showing how dated he is by making the same kind of tasteless and hateful jokes about a group of people that was a lot more prevalent during the 90's. Cena made Rock look like a pig headed bully. You tell me who had more substance, because I'll argue that it was the guy making a point, not the one out there doing everything he could to get some cheap lulz (psst, that would be Rock).
I mean, seriously. He cut a promo knocking the horns in Cena's music, making no real point about it except to people who already hated Cena anyway. Are you really calling that "substance"?
Also, why should Cena make poopy jokes? The Rock was initally this comedian
No, he wasn't.
and he got over by making fun of the crowd and his opponents. Cena is an All American Babyface, the hero and a role model for the kids. A guy like that is not justified in making such jokes. You can be funny even without being poopy and Cena should try to do that because it would suit his character more. The Rock was justified in using poopy humour due to both the nature of the era and his gimmick but Cena is not, because of his gimmick.
This kinda maybe almost makes sense, except that people should not be constrained by their gimmicks; they should always be pushing the boundaries of what that gimmick is. The thing about this "poopy" joke stuff it that, having been watching Cena for more than a few years, I can really only recall one set of poopy jokes regarding Alex Riley. That's it. It keeps bring brought up, but it's not like it's what he goes to every single Raw. His point is usually about manning up, about being unafraid of fighting like a champion. Meanwhile, Rock is the same pie/sideways/ass jokes and one liners EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.
