**MERGED** John Cena & The Rock: Match fallout, etc.*KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!*

[Tired0FthePeople]

He is losing "it" because that is what is suppose to happen. The Rock is doing his job by putting Cena over by any means necessary and it is working because people are starting to side with Cena. That is what WWE wants because Cena will be with the WWE for years to come, The Rock will be gone at the end of the month. The Rock is bringing the best out of Cena as far as mic work goes.

LOL. Even me, as a Cena 'hater' and Rock lover know this is wishful thinking. I cant say for a FACT that you're wrong, but I highly doubt Rocky is deliberately putting Cena over. Cena is simply getting himself over because he can. He has the ability to do it, so he's doing it.

 

[I Heart Cena]

I haven't seen anything impressive from cena. He was lame again tonight with "kung pao is in every restaurant". Lame.

But Rock's "slipping" is all an act. He's here to elevate cena, unfortunately.

 

[Jenna.]

Lmao I swear I knew I'd come on to this forum, and see somehow Cena sunked The Rock or Dwayne lost it.

Dwayne absolutely wiped the floor with Cena. Everything he said was true. Everything from him being a phony, about him not leaving, about us being tired of him being stuffed down our throats and Cena knows it. He made him look like the loser at school that no one wants to be bothered with. I wish he would of continued about him being a phony, that would of made it sooooooooo much more better. Pastor Dwayne went in.

Clearly, the rest of the universe felt the same way even when Cena came out. How pathetic was it though, they even caught a young fan with a red Cenation shirt chanting "Lady parts" C'mon son this isn't even fun for Dwayne lmao.

But I will admit John got a really nice blow with the notes thing. Lmao probably made Dwayne look crazy small.

I'm starting to think this thing is getting kind of heated backstage. After Rock finished his promo he mouthed to the camera you're a bitch. Idk if that was to the cameraman cuz of them telling him to wrap it up or to Cena.

Does anyone know if the notes thing was intentional? Cuz The Rock can't get caught slipping like that. Lol

 

[IT Factor]

I must agree here. While Cena has been coming off with the more definitive edge lately, both guys are phoning it in with their lackluster promos. I always enjoy The Rock's returns even though we all know it will be inferior to his past stuff & will only be for one week at a time. Cena has been impressing me lately though we all know he'll go back to the same lame PG material once Wrestlemania is over and Rocky is gone.

You pretty much summed it all up by saying we all lost. Both guys really need to up their games to make the so-called "biggest Wrestlemania" worth watching. Because as it stands right now, I'm more interested in Punk/Jericho & Taker/HHH way more than Cena/Rock. Which is a shame considering this feud had over one year to be developed.

 

[ITALIAN NYC]

Does anyone know if the notes thing was intentional? Cuz The Rock can't get caught slipping like that. Lol

Who knows.. I personally think Rock is smarter then that and wouldnt give Cena that kind of ammo. Either way, hes out there a long time, the notes thing doesnt really have any effect on me

Question though, Was I the only one who thought CENA was not supposed to come out and only came out because WWE didnt want the fans chanting those kinda words on TV? Rock looked surprised. It almost seemed a lil pointless for Cena to come out there like that,with the kung pow chicken crap being in every chinese food resturant bit. Im also sure Rock was pissed and probably confronted Cena in the back about pointing that out

Maybe thats why rock stumbled a lil at the end? Just a thought

 

[Tired0FthePeople]

Cena just whooped Rock's candy ass all over Portland. And he didnt even need to repeat or even acknowledge that Rock called him a kung poa bitch. He acknowledged that Cena called him kung pao chicken,..but didnt even acknowledge the 'bitch' part. And he so effortlessly made us all acutely aware of just how lame the kung poa chicken/bitch line truly was lol. He wrecked Rock tonight and only needed about 2 minutes. Rock needs to step his game up in this fued or I wont buy the PPV out of a belief that Rock doesnt belong in the same ring as Cena lol.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

I think the real problem is that Cena's character is loosely based on who he really is. The Rock is used to feuding with characters with gimmicks. Cena's reality-based schtick and completely disregarding kayfabe makes it impossible for him to stay in character as The Rock. So now he has to try to hold onto all of his loyal fans (like myself) by hanging onto his gimmicky jokes while Cena bashes him for successfully making us chant and cheer.

The Rock struggles against Cena on the mic more than any feud he's been in before for 2 reasons.
1. Cena is (and I'm SO not a fan) exceptional on the mic.
2. Dwayne Johnson as The Rock is used to bashing characters based on their gimmicks.

Now Rock's stuck trying to blur the lines between who he is in character and who who really is in real life. You could hear him tonight when he got flustered through the boos and started to flub more lines than usual. Then he tried to make a point on the spot with his "Dwayne Johnson, The Rock...The Rock, Dwayne Johnson" (3x) thing then rushing loudly into his catchphrases to bail himself out of trouble to close the promo. I love The Rock but Cena's character proves the first real challenge for him on the mic and even though I'm not a fan of Cena's cheesiness, I'm actually happy that Rock's finally met a worthy adversary on the mic after all of these years! lol

 

[Tired0FthePeople]

How could having the two guys headlining wrestlemania, the guy's who'll have the very last match on the card in the same ring at the same time face to face be pointless?

Im a rock fan myself but it seems that people MAY start making excuses for our hero. It wasnt pointless for Cena to come out there. NOT having the two face to face in the ring on tonights show would have been pointless.

 

[Jenna.]

Who knows.. I personally think Rock is smarter then that and wouldnt give Cena that kind of ammo. Either way, hes out there a long time, the notes thing doesnt really have any effect on me

Question though, Was I the only one who thought CENA was not supposed to come out and only came out because WWE didnt want the fans chanting those kinda words on TV? Rock looked surprised. It almost seemed a lil pointless for Cena to come out there like that. Im also sure Rock was pissed and probably confronted Cena in the back about pointing that out

Maybe thats why rock stumbled a lil at the end? Just a thought

That's what I'm saying, because again I noticed at the end, The Rock looked at the camera and mouthed you're a bitch, and mumbled something else.

Also, I didn't notice this but my ex bf notices someone giving him two fingers up signaling for him to wrap it up. That's I was wondering why he didn't continue going off on him and just started stumbling on his words...probably because everything he had to say now had to come off the top of the head.

 

[Huey]

With time left, I really hope they can pull something out, but right now they're floundering. CM Punk/Jericho did a great job selling their match tonight. HHH/Taker nailed it last week. Right now Rock/Cena is just a step above the WHC match, which it seems they only mention as an aside to the raw vs smackdown Gm/Gm thing going on.

Cena and Rock are too good for the performance they've been giving. Cena's promo last week was good, tonight his interaction with the rock seemed week. I don't think the rock has to be there every week, but part his rarity is a double edged sword. Cena can use it to put him down but it seems that's all Cena has used. Because it's a big deal when the rock "returns" he gets that big return pop. The fans care more about seeing him, and he seems more interested in interacting with them than developing things for wrestlemania.

I don't care if the fans cheer cena and boo the rock, or if they boo rock and cheer cena. Right now I don't care at all, that's the problem, and I know I'm not alone. Whatever creative does it's gonna be a split crowd, I doubt they can change that. What they can change is some sort of story and development behind this. Right now it's the biggest wrestlemania match ever with one of the worst buildups ever.

 

[Attitude>>>PG]

I have to agree. I was bored to tears from both guys and I love Rock. But tonight my worst fear came to fruition Rock didn't "bring it". I'm really wondering does he even have it in him to completely murk ppl on the mic anymore or is Vince telling him to go easy on Cena. Either way I was dissapointed tonight.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

Question though, Was I the only one who thought CENA was not supposed to come out and only came out because WWE didnt want the fans chanting those kinda words on TV? Rock looked surprised. It almost seemed a lil pointless for Cena to come out there like that. Im also sure Rock was pissed and probably confronted Cena in the back about pointing that out

Maybe thats why rock stumbled a lil at the end? Just a thought

That's EXACTLY what I thought. I texted a friend that after it was over! It seemed like Rock was legitimately caught off guard by that because he was fumbling his words and trying to make a last ditch effort to defend himself on the spot but couldn't think of a way to explain how The Rock (an obviously fictional character) IS Dwayne Johnson. Rock never messed up that many times within a couple of sentences. So I totally think that someone set The Rock up outside of kayfabe.

 

[Jenna.]

I think the real problem is that Cena's character is loosely based on who he really is. The Rock is used to feuding with characters with gimmicks. Cena's reality-based schtick and completely disregarding kayfabe makes it impossible for him to stay in character as The Rock. So now he has to try to hold onto all of his loyal fans (like myself) by hanging onto his gimmicky jokes while Cena bashes him for successfully making us chant and cheer.

The Rock struggles against Cena on the mic more than any feud he's been in before for 2 reasons.
1. Cena is (and I'm SO not a fan) exceptional on the mic.
2. Dwayne Johnson as The Rock is used to bashing characters based on their gimmicks.

Now Rock's stuck trying to blur the lines between who he is in character and who who really is in real life. You could hear him tonight when he got flustered through the boos and started to flub more lines than usual. Then he tried to make a point on the spot with his "Dwayne Johnson, The Rock...The Rock, Dwayne Johnson" (3x) thing then rushing loudly into his catchphrases to bail himself out of trouble to close the promo. I love The Rock but Cena's character proves the first real challenge for him on the mic and even though I'm not a fan of Cena's cheesiness, I'm actually happy that Rock's finally met a worthy adversary on the mic after all of these years! lol

Exceptional on the mic? Just because he steps it up when ironically Dwayne shows up, doesn't makes him exceptional. I'm sorry I don't think John Cena will be known years from now as exceptional o the mic. You can't sit there and call him cheesy, and exceptional at the same time. Which one is it?

He rushed at the end, because he was rushed. I don't think anyone has that much power over him to be THAT flustered. I'm not eve making excuses for him, but it just seems pretty odd out of nowhere he cuts his promo short and ends it with his catchphrases.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Have you noticed a shift in John Cena in recent weeks?
In recent weeks? You must be a new fan. Cena has been on fire for months.

If so, have you enjoyed it?
Yes, Its been some of his best work in years

Is anyone's overall opinion of John Cena changing?
Its been high for quite some time, putting him against the Rock only increases my opinion of Cena.

 

[IT Factor]

I think we witnessed the full-on death of "The Rock" as a great mic worker tonight. What we got instead was Dwayne Johnson trying to come up with something and failing miserably. Yet another sign that he's been Hollywood too long. He needs to start ripping into Cena whether Vince likes it or not. Or maybe Dwayne simply isn't capable of being as great as he was before. I dunno. With two major names like Cena & The Rock, we should've gotten promo gold and not the promo zircon we received. We smell what you're cookin' Rock and it's sour.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

Exceptional on the mic? Just because he steps it up when ironically Dwayne shows up, doesn't makes him exceptional. I'm sorry I don't think John Cena will be known years from now as exceptional o the mic. You can't sit there and call him cheesy, and exceptional at the same time. Which one is it?

I called Cena's character cheesy, his comfort and delivery on the mic in this feud have been exceptional in my opinion. And that's tough for me to admit because I hate his character so much lol

 

[Jenna.]

All Cena said was...I don't like Dwayne Johnson...I used to like The Rock but I don't like Dwayne because he's self centered and egotistical...yeah boy he really stepped it up there. Oh no I forgot I'ma whoop your ass on April 1st. FAIL again.

Only thing that was good was the notes thing...other than that after the promo...he ran. Like I give up with this guy. You deliver a so so good shocking promo and then run. But I guess to the IWC that was epic.

My overall opinion of John has not changed. He's a phony. He's stagnant and the only time he gets a hard on is when The Rock is there.

 

[Dmbfantomas]

I am so ready for Rock to go away, it's not even funny. He's like Joe Namath playing for the Rams. Namath's knees were shot, and he was a shell of his former vastly overrated self.

It's the same with Rocky. Rock's promos since 2003 have BLOWN. He forces. new "catchphrases" down our throats, as opposed to letting them happen organically. Boots 2 Asses is one of the lamest things of all wrestling history. Shockmaster is more interesting in an un-ironic way. He doesn't have that same fluidity on the mic. He's not The Rock anymore, he's an actor trying to act like The Rock.

A lot of people don't want to admit it, be it nostalgia or not wanting to look silly for being so excited for his comeback...but The Rock is done, and when this is all over, we will be better off for it.

 

[MoizH28]

The Rock was trending on twitter most people as I was, were talking about how Cena owned him with the line about notes on his wrist. Cena didnt even cuss in his promo and in 2 minutes possibly less outshined the Rocks 20 minute promo.

 

[Headman]

I haven't seen anything impressive from cena. He was lame again tonight with "kung pao is in every restaurant". Lame.

But Rock's "slipping" is all an act. He's here to elevate cena, unfortunately.

Actually the Rock's kung pow line was lame. Cena did a good job pointing that out. What is it with the Rock comparing people to food anyway? Come up with some new shit Rock.

I don't know about anyone else, but as of the last 2 weeks, John Cena has suddenly became interesting again. I've always had mad respect for the guy, but never really been a huge fan. But recently, I've found myself really enjoying watching his promos. During The Rock's 20 minute snore-fest tonight on Raw, John Cena's bit was extremely refreshing. Not to mention his promo last week, which in my opinion, blew The Rock's from tonight out of the water. He has really gained some edginess and an attitude. He's dropping the cheesy, hero of the WWE act a little bit. Letting his guard down, breaking his own mold.

This isn't intended to be a Rock slam, by any means. More of a notice of John Cen's recent work.

Have you noticed a shift in John Cena in recent weeks?
If so, have you enjoyed it?
Is anyone's overall opinion of John Cena changing?

I agree. Cena showed some aggressiveness last year when he attacked ADR and people seemed to like it, but he slacked off immediately. The last two weeks however he's been on fire. Eve and "Dwayne" know first hand.

Cena just whooped Rock's candy ass all over Portland. And he didnt even need to repeat or even acknowledge that Rock called him a kung poa bitch. He acknowledged that Cena called him kung pao chicken,..but didnt even acknowledge the 'bitch' part. And he so effortlessly made us all acutely aware of just how lame the kung poa chicken/bitch line truly was lol. He wrecked Rock tonight and only needed about 2 minutes. Rock needs to step his game up in this fued or I wont buy the PPV out of a belief that Rock doesnt belong in the same ring as Cena lol.

I don't know where the Rock was going with all those dumb chants. He did a great job playing to the arena, but a horrible job selling Wrestlemania to the fans at home. Cena saved that stinker of a segment, but of course there are people who are never going to admit that.

 

[SSJPhenom]

You people have to go easy on the Great One. Trust me!!! They say that the last thing to go on a basketball player is his jumper. Well the last thing to go on a professional wrestler is their mic skills.

The Rock could easily come out and make everyone else in the WWE look like they're standing still when it comes to mic work. Hell; he did it when he returned a year ago. Alas; we all do miss that version of the Rock; however, he can't do that right now. He has to stay on a somewhat even playing field with Cena. There has to be that illusion that Cena is on the Rock's level. We all know better; but they're billing this has icon vs. icon.

A lot of people are behind the Rock as it is; if you cut him loose on Cena; however, then most everyone will be behind The Great One.

 

[aboynameddirt]

Have you noticed a shift in John Cena in recent weeks?
In recent weeks? You must be a new fan. Cena has been on fire for months.

It's not that I'm new, I just don't think Cena has done anything that great since his stuff with Punk in the summer and even then, that was mostly Punk. His recent work with Kane has been lackluster at best, as well. I will admit that anytime he has spoken about something involving The Rock/WrestleMania 28, even 6 months ago, I've listened to closely though. The last few weeks Cena just seems to be showing a little more attitude and all around character than usual. Even with the Eve segments.

 

[Jenna.]

I called Cena's character cheesy, his comfort and delivery on the mic in this feud have been exceptional in my opinion. And that's tough for me to admit because I hate his character so much lol

Ok. I hear you. But what exactly tonight was exceptional? I keep rewinding it to see where he really did damage. Because when I look at it, he addressed the chicken thing, by saying you see that at every Chinese restaurant you go to...a man called you a bitch and that's what you came up with? I see that at every chinese restaurant? Then again, he mentions, the millions eating from the plam of his hand (this is the third or fouth time he's said that, so clearly he repeats himself as well) then he said he doesn't like Dwayne Johnson because he's this and that. Okay...you're point? I just don't get how that's exceptional. I'll admit he does get his points across here and there, but he just tries too hard. Either to be funny, or have some bass in his voice.

 

[Peoples_Champ]

I've agreed with a lot of what Black Dynamite has written in the past, but I absolutely disagree with him here. No way the fans lost in this promo. Rocky fans have more catchphrases and tweets while Cena fans can claim their guy won.

I agree that The Rock did not live up to expectations, but I can't say that the fans lost at all. I'm more excited / looking forward to WrestleMania than I was last week. Hell, even more than I was before the promo began.

My argument is not that the fans lost, but that it could have been better.

 

[Headman]

lol the Rock fans admit they were bored by Rock but refuse to admit the obvious and say Cena won the promo war. Cena is cutting better promos right now, whether you like him or not, his promos are better than the phoned in, catch phrase filled, listen to the fans chant while putting over twitter instead of your match crap that the Rock has been giving us every time he shows up.