There may be people like you who have not really liked Rock's style of promos but you must realize that you people are in the minority. There have been fans of Cena who have told the ones who do not like Cena to stop harping on his "Superman" character, dressing style and what not because they were in the minority and that the Cena character was doing well with most people. Well, the people who do not like Rock's promos are even lesser in number and so by using that same logic Cena has no right to harp on the fact that Rock's promos are immature. What is successful cannot be questioned is a maxim that fans of John Cena have thrown at the fans of Rock several times but this time I think this is something that the fans of Cena have to answer.
Firstly, I don't think that my opinion is as small a minority as you might be suggesting. I'd venture to say that it is 50% or at least nearly there, but if they're anything like me, they don't usually get caught up in the rowdy nature of chants during live shows, rather favoring hearing the stars go back and forth on the mic. Anyway, I wasn't arguing against The Rock's promo style's legitimacy or relevancy. I've said it before, but while it doesn't appeal to me anymore, I absolutely understand and accept that plenty of other people enjoy The Rock on the mic. I just prefer that people on that end can extend a similar courtesy to people like me who enjoy Cena's promo style.
And yes, I do remember the rap promo by Cena, which further infuriates me in this regard. Cena is probably the only guy who can go toe to toe with Rock in Rock's own language. I remember the "fashion advice from the Tooth Fairy" line as well when Rock challenged him for their match. Cena can do it, he can make this a fair game and yet he chooses not to.
For me, it's not really a matter of whether he can or can't. I only really pointed out the rap to show that while I can potentially enjoy a feud like that, I much prefer what Cena is giving us now. I think the game is fair right now, and there are plenty of Rocky fans who think that The Rock is outdoing Cena in it.
The reason why I say this is an unfair game is because what Cena says is logical and so you have to agree with him on a level. But What Cena is doing is basically lambasting a legend for the way in which he has done things, which I do feel isn't the best thing to do. On a level, Cena is also pointing a few fingers at the business itself. It can also be very easily argued that wrestling itself is an immature form of entertainment. How is that fair in any way?
There are other ways in which Cena can approach this without ridiculing the nature of Rock's work
I still don't really see how that's
unfair. Cena saying things logically to counter The Rocks gimmicky outrageousness is part of the difference in character types and eras that make this feud so enjoyable for me. They're completely different, but equally skilled on the mic. Whoever their specific styles appeal to think that they are "winning" the promo war. I don't think that has anything to do with fairness or unfairness; it's just pure entertainment.
I do think that the fact that no one has really pointed it out is one of the reasons why WWE has allowed Cena to do this, but that does not make it correct. I have already listed the reasons why but I think that I should add another one here. John Cena told The Rock that it was unfair to judge him based on what he wore and how he spoke when Rock confronted Cena and yet Cena is doing the same thing now. That makes him look like a hypocrite.
I don't remember the "how he spoke" part, but Cena hasn't criticized The Rock for his ring attire. He gave one tongue-in-cheek remark about a movie that The Rock made during the most recent promo, whereas one of The Rock's primary points against Cena for the entire year was how ridiculous Cena looks with different colored shirts and jorts. It's not exactly on the same scale.
Actually, it is his earlier statement of Rock having no right to judge him, is the one that is stupid. Yes, I know some people may use the "Rock started it" arguement but that isn't really the case. Unless someone is completely unaware of the animosity Rock and Cena have had towards each other for years, only then can someone see it as a case of Rock having started the judging. Both have been taking potshots at each other for years, sometimes in response to the other man's actiona and sometimes just like that.
And finally people do tend to judge each other in a feud. That is what makes an onscreen feud interesting.
Sorry for the little rant but what I said is true. Cena's earlier, rather stupid statement does nothing but make him lool like a hypocrite now.
I don't think most Cena fans are arguing that Rock has no right to judge him (or at least I'm not). They just think that the particular judgements being made aren't very good from a comparison standpoint. I'd be perfectly willing to concede that they're both using judgements against each other, and it doesn't really matter to me who started it. However, I think the judgements of The Rock not being social in the back or caring about the business, while possibly not being true (although I reckon it is true judging by CM Punk and Orton's comments), are more striking than judgements of the way Cena is dressed or booked. For the record, I recognize this is just my opinion, and I'm sure that most Rock fans will probably disagree with it.
I wasn't really talking about mocking the catchphrases but the fact that Cena has had more opportunities to use Rock's arguements against him than Rock has had to do the same. Mostly, it has been Rock who has had to call Cena out and Cena who has come out to counter his arguements. That also mind you has made Rock look somewhat of a dick.
The Rock has had more in-ring time and taped-promo time to counter Cena's arguments than Cena has had in the last 3 weeks. You could even argue that Cena called The Rock out the night after Elimination Chamber. Since that time, The Rock has called Cena out once, and you could even argue that Cena called The Rock out the previous week to spur that promo. I'm trying to see from your perspective, but I really don't think either of them have any advantage in this respect.
And two weeks ago, are you talking about the episode at Portland? Yes, he got the last word but Cena's wrist notes promo which was the most sensational thing that was said got all the attention. Seriously, how can you top that? Again, I do feel that was somewhat unfair. It seems that only one man wants to play by the rules of kayfabe in this feud.
I just want to throw something out there, since it apparently got lost somewhere, but I think the absolute best line in Portland was delivered while Cena was walking away, turned around, and said something like "oh, I'm done, feel free to keep trending now". I recognize that the wrist notes got all of the attention from the CSRs and the forum topics, but I usually like to judge things on hindsight, and the wrist writing doesn't really matter to me personally. That aside, I don't think commenting on the wrist writing is unfair. A big part of these promo battles are about who is better at delivering, and Cena pointed out one argument for how he could be better. The Rock tries to do the same thing, and if he had an opportunity like that, I imagine that he'd do the exact same thing. I mean, I understand that my speculation can't stand on its own as a legitimate point, but I'm just using it to explain why I think it's fair game.
Again I do understand that Rock is here to give Cena the rub. But I would have liked Cena to have gotten the rub in a feud that was 50/50 till April 2nd. If you ask WWE even today, they would like you to believe that the feud is 50/50 but the was it has panned out, it is 75/25 in Cena's favor in the eyes of many.
As a Cena fan, I'd agree that it has seemed like Cena keeps getting the upper hand in these promos, but after looking through different threads in this forum, it looks like there are plenty of Rock fans who think that he has the upper hand by far. So in that regard, I'd guess it's pretty close to even.
. I personally hated cena but what i have realised is there was no reason to hate him. I mean if someone will never lose you cant hate him for that. I would say its failure of wwe creatives what they did with his character because cena has worked hard and did his job well. I like him for being a hard worker and it WM i am on his side. His 'rise above hate' thing is great. People hate him and he will be the winner at wrestlemania in a way people respect him more than ever (its my opinion). But i am putting my fingers crossed to see what happens at WM.
that was dope