IMPACT Wrestling LD for 08.31.11

[shattered dreams]

McMahon should have fired himself.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

McMahon should have fired himself.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to shattered dreams again.

 

[Chrome]

So TNA fires him... in a year he goes back to WWE to do the same story line and they make millions so IWC folks can say TNA was stupid for letting him go? Brilliant..

I guess WCW was dumb for not holding on to Jake the Snake when they had him.. and he went where and did what? and boosted the career of one 3:16?

Exactly..

 

[Chrome]

Good match between aj and daniels I didn't like the finish but I liked daniels arrogance after the match

I agree, anything that gives him some character I am all for

 

[Gelgarin]

Without the internet or dirt sheets etc, how would we know about Shawn or any other issues? With Jeff, it was right in front of the people and the fans got cheated. At the end of the day, the fans are more important than anyone. Jeff has a history of issues and then screws up in the main event of a PPV. How is that not worse than any other major issue?

Except judging by ratings and buy rates none of the fans appear to have cared very much. People who steal the PPV continue to get irrationally self-righteous about it, but given that neither ratings nor buy-rates suffered a noticeable change, and given that Jeff Hardy will doubtless get a standing ovation when he shows up next week (and each week after that in a new arena), claiming that Hardy should be fired 'for the fans' makes no sense.

 

[hatehabsforever]

So TNA fires him... in a year he goes back to WWE to do the same story line and they make millions so IWC folks can say TNA was stupid for letting him go? Brilliant..

I guess WCW was dumb for not holding on to Jake the Snake when they had him.. and he went where and did what? and boosted the career of one 3:16?

Exactly..

There's no goddamn way in the world that we will see Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy back in the WWE in any capacity. Hours delusional if you think otherwise.

 

[klunderbunker]

Angle getting arrested for DUI with prescription drugs in the car and having his mug shot show up on TMZ?

Same for Hall, though he wasn't busted for DUI, I don't think (not that time, at least).

I know Hardy's deal with the trafficking charge is worse, but it's a case-by-case thing. Yes, the fuck up was bad, and yes when combined with the impending charges you've got a bit of a powerder keg, but I'd trust TNA's judgement here more so than I would fans who don't actually know just how well he draws for them.



The Joe thing was a shoot on Hall and to a lesser extent Nash and was from my recollection a shoot, not a work, because Joe yapped at Dixie who was not a "character" at the time and even told her to "fire me, I don't care" on live PPV. Either way, it was bad PR for them and as far as I know it wasn't scripted.

I could very easily have seen Kurt being fired over that and I honestly wouldn't have been that upset over it for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with his in ring abilities.

Hall I still say should have been fired, if nothing else for his constant screwups and his lack of relevance after about mid 1997.

As for Hardy, my question is where do they go with him? I'd have a very hard time getting behind him as a face after all that, but that's just me and I'm not incredibly tolerant of drug addicts in the first place.

As for Joe, I think it's a bit different as that was caused by Hall no showing. I'm not sure what I would have done with him, but if I remember right wasn't he saying that he would make sure there was as good a match as he could give the fans? That's a good thing I'd think.

 

[Chrome]

New blue and black tights for Sting?

 

[Chrome]

There's no goddamn way in the world that we will see Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy back in the WWE in any capacity. Hours delusional if you think otherwise.

I thought the same of Bret Hart..

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

Another Good pop for Sting also pretty good heat on Angle

 

[JJYanks121]

Because he continued to, not because he flipped his lid the first time. He was SUSPENDED before he was fired. Try again.

Ok, Jeff Hardy no showed events in 2004 for TNA and was showing signs of poor judgment then. He then quit the WWE due to "burnout" when he only worked for like 2 years. Every year along the way, there were concerns for his well-being, going back to 2001 when his brother started reporting his late shows and almost no-shows to the WWE (ironic, isn't it).

Moving forward, you have the guy who had shown problems for almost a decade come into your company and just before your biggest show of the year is arrested for drug trafficking but the case is delayed. You make him champion and pretend nothing is wrong. A few months later, he shows up stoned and can't compete in a freakin main event of a pay per view. Not a house show, not a tv taping, a freaking PAY PER VIEW!

You act like this was Jeff's first indiscretion. Hardly. He's been screwing up for years and plenty with TNA who sees "draw" with him and continues to give him chances despite all these screw ups. At what point is it too much? Apparently it's not for TNA who are so desperate for a "draw". Honestly, cut the cord and build your own draw. In no way is Jeff Hardy such a fantastic draw that he's worth giving a 10th chance to. You know damn well that this isn't his first mess up. How about YOU try again.

 

[klunderbunker]

Except judging by ratings and buy rates none of the fans appear to have cared very much. People who steal the PPV continue to get irrationally self-righteous about it, but given that neither ratings nor buy-rates suffered a noticeable change, and given that Jeff Hardy will doubtless get a standing ovation when he shows up next week (and each week after that in a new arena), claiming that Hardy should be fired 'for the fans' makes no sense.

No, it says "yeah Jeff screwed you guys over. Here's something to keep you from wanting your money back. Now it's 5 months later and we'd like more of your money on the hope that you'll get what you paid for this time."

Nice guys over there in TNA.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I could very easily have seen Kurt being fired over that and I honestly wouldn't have been that upset over it for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with his in ring abilities.

Hall I still say should have been fired, if nothing else for his constant screwups and his lack of relevance after about mid 1997.

As for Hardy, my question is where do they go with him? I'd have a very hard time getting behind him as a face after all that, but that's just me and I'm not incredibly tolerant of drug addicts in the first place.

As for Joe, I think it's a bit different as that was caused by Hall no showing. I'm not sure what I would have done with him, but if I remember right wasn't he saying that he would make sure there was as good a match as he could give the fans? That's a good thing I'd think.

It's easy — beg for fan forgiveness. Have him (vaguely, if necessary) reference the issues he's been suffering with in real life. Break the kayfabe and play to the marks and the smarks at once. They both witnessed what happened, so they both deserve the apology. Have Hardy give it and basically claim to knowing how badly he screwed up and how badly he wants to make it up to the fans.

The story writes itself.

 

[Vincent Michaels]

For some reason black and blue on Sting works more for me than black and red.

 

[Chrome]

Another Good pop for Sting also pretty good heat on Angle

Yeah last time Impact was on the road Sting got huge pops too..

Angle always gets a reaction..

nice match so far.

 

[The Holy One]

I respect all the work they put into it, but I still can't buy into Kurt as a heel.

 

[klunderbunker]

It's easy — beg for fan forgiveness. Have him (vaguely, if necessary) reference the issues he's been suffering with in real life. Break the kayfabe and play to the marks and the smarks at once. They both witnessed what happened, so they both deserve the apology. Have Hardy give it and basically claim to knowing how badly he screwed up and how badly he wants to make it up to the fans.

The story writes itself.

And if he screws up again....? There is absolutely no reason I can think of to not expect him to screw up down the line based on his track record so far, so why should I get emotionally invested in him again?

 

[Gelgarin]

No, it says "yeah Jeff screwed you guys over. Here's something to keep you from wanting your money back. Now it's 5 months later and we'd like more of your money on the hope that you'll get what you paid for this time."

Nice guys over there in TNA.

If it says that then why don't the fans care? They'll cheer for Hardy next week, ergo: they want to see Jeff Hardy.

TNA, giving the fans what they want. *****.

 

[Gelgarin]

And if he screws up again....? There is absolutely no reason I can think of to not expect him to screw up down the line based on his track record so far, so why should I get emotionally invested in him again?

There is absolutely no reason I can think of why Mysterio won't violate the wellness policy based on his track record. Of course I don't know anything about him or his circumstances past or present, but a little thing like that should never get in the way of passing judgement.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Ok, Jeff Hardy no showed events in 2004 for TNA and was showing signs of poor judgment then. He then quit the WWE due to "burnout" when he only worked for like 2 years. Every year along the way, there were concerns for his well-being, going back to 2001 when his brother started reporting his late shows and almost no-shows to the WWE (ironic, isn't it).

Moving forward, you have the guy who had shown problems for almost a decade come into your company and just before your biggest show of the year is arrested for drug trafficking but the case is delayed. You make him champion and pretend nothing is wrong. A few months later, he shows up stoned and can't compete in a freakin main event of a pay per view. Not a house show, not a tv taping, a freaking PAY PER VIEW!

You act like this was Jeff's first indiscretion. Hardly. He's been screwing up for years and plenty with TNA who sees "draw" with him and continues to give him chances despite all these screw ups. At what point is it too much? Apparently it's not for TNA who are so desperate for a "draw". Honestly, cut the cord and build your own draw. In no way is Jeff Hardy such a fantastic draw that he's worth giving a 10th chance to. You know damn well that this isn't his first mess up. How about YOU try again.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but again, if you are holding all the historical failures, pitfalls and dangers of performers against them in a no nonsense policy, you are going to have a very thin roster if your company even manages to survive without star power.

I can barely count on my hands the number of main event performers who haven't had their fair share of fuck ups over the years.

With Hardy, in this case, you are talking about a guy who fucked up, was written off television, was essentially suspended by the company and who could very well have turned a new leaf. With Sheen you are talking about a guy who had all his issues, similar to Hardy, was suspended, continued to have those issues AND shit talk his own employer publicly, then get fired and CONTINUE to shit talk. The two are not comparable, similar as their back stories may be.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I thought the same of Bret Hart..

So first, we are comparing Jeff Hardy to Scott Hall and Shawn Michaels. Now we are comparing him to Bret Hart?

Tell me, because I must have forgotten. When was it that the Hitman appeared at a PPV main event too stoned to walk, never mind wrestle? When was it he was caught with a car full of drugs, and when was he accused of drug trafficking and potentially facing jail time for it? When was the last YouTube video he made with his equally stoned brother, making a mockery of himself and the wrestling business? How many times has Hart refused to go to rehab while his life continued to spiral out of control?

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

Good ME

Very Good show I thought

 

[It's Damn Real!]

And if he screws up again....? There is absolutely no reason I can think of to not expect him to screw up down the line based on his track record so far, so why should I get emotionally invested in him again?

To what degree? Another main event fuck up? Fire him. The timing and considering the chance given to him to make good on it all only to repeat, and you've got a case to fire him despite the fans likely still wanting to see him.

 

[Rising Savior]

This is exactly what I hate about tna these ridiculous finishes. Why is the referee staring at gunner when theirs a world title match going on behind him.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

God, I love this crowd.