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I'm fairly pleased with the overall WWE product right now as well. The "Summer of Punk" was good, the conspiracy storyline will lead to a solid Survivor Series, Wrestlemania 28 is shaping up to be the most anticipated mania ever, and there's a lot of promising young talent in the mid-card ranks who will make great main-eventers in the future. So overall, I still enjoy watching WWE. It doesn't bother me that we're in the "PG" era because I'm mostly concerned with watching great WRESTLING. I don't care so much about promos and interview segments, etc. I just wish WWE would give us more in-ring action in a two-hour program featuring people who aren't named Santino Marella, Jim Ross, or Michael Cole. WWE won't be changing anytime in the near future, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 
The main event matches are almost ALWAYS thrown together tag team matches lately, especially on Raw. Though smack down is not exempt from this horrible booking either it seems..... save those matches for dark matches . no one cares about John Cena and Face #2 vs Heel#1 and Heel #2 every single week.... lazy booking. makes me stay at home and watch raw at home when they come to town. unless pee wee is there like last time, couldn't say no to that!!!!
 
To cut straight to the point, ever since I started being an active member of the IWC, I've seen people bitch and moan about how Cena is being shoved down their throats, then how Orton is being pushed down their throats. I've recently started to see the same thing about CM fucking Punk, an internet darling mere months ago when he was a heel, but suddenly a face turn and apparently he's down our godamn throats. I don't usually like to make the IWC hate threads/posts, but something is really bothering me now.

Mason Ryan.

Here is a man who is truly being shoved down the throat. The reason why I think so? Simple. Cena, Orton and now Punk, are all draws. They all sell a shiton of merch, they all can work the mic and the ring, all of them have excellent in ring psychology. These men are not shoved down our throats, because more wrestling fans love them than IWC members hate them.

Now recently however, Mason Ryan is being pushed...almost at random. There was no rhyme or reason behind his face turn. He's still green as grass, and his mic skills are...eh. In my eyes, he's a weaker version of Skip Sheffield....and yet, as of late, the IWC seems to be giving him a lot of love. I don't....understand. Why?

The IWC hated Batista at large. Yet, his Welsh carbon copy is adorned. Thing is...Batista could act...even if only just. Mason Ryan has the 'deer in the headlights' look nearly all of the damn time.

I'm not saying Mason Ryan is aweful, for a big guy, he does move well. However...that alone does not validate the amount of love he's being getting. Suddenly, Zack Ryder is being declared inferior to Mason Ryan and...I don't get it again. 2 months back, and the IWC was slavering over Zack Ryder. Deservedly so, I admire Ryder to the fullest, and if he can successfully tweak his gimmick to become more serious, I think he has a bright future.

That is neither here nor there however. The gripe I have is, if the IWC hates Orton, Cena, Punk and Batista so damn much, why is there this sudden IWC boner for Mason Ryan? Apart from looking lost and pulling off some base power moves, what in the blue hell has he done to earn anyone's respect?

Mason Ryan could be great. Mason Ryan in 2-3 years could even be world champion material. He has a fantastic look, and as Batista proved before him, your mic skills don't have to be spectacular if you have the look and can just be passable on mic work. Right now though...he's at pre evolution Batista level. With no Ric Flair of Triple H to guide him. Yet...he is on our TV every damn week, and looks increasingly likely to win the US title sooner or later.

So, IWC, why the love for Mason? Do you really perceive him to have that 'it' factor? Or at heart, are you just as much of a sucker for 'the look' as Vinnie Mac, a man you love to slaughter for his own self professed love for wrestlers with it? Why?

(I apologize for the extremely poor layout of this post)
 
i think it's his music, lol.

come on he's got the "i'm marching to the ring to kick your ass" type music Warrior had.

i don't mind the guy but he is very green. Every time he big boots Ziggler ( i think its like 30 times now) i pray for dolph... and i don't believe in god.

the gripe with the iwc is pretty simple i think. its the same thing as anything else that gets big. there becomes factions. there will be the iwc-ers that will follow their underdog till they croak and the iwc-er that bails on them as soon as they hit 15 minutes of tv time a week. same group, each one just has a difference or two.
 
I'm definitely out of the list because I don't have the 'love' for Mason Ryan at this current point in time. He might become a big superstar, but he can also become a bum big guy who got no charisma at all like Ezekiel Jackson. He might become the next Batista, but he can be the next to be said 'best of luck to your future endeavors'. My point is, at this time I don't see where is his career is going so I don't have the 'love' for him but I do not have the 'hate' for him.
 
1- the first and real reason is the P.G rating, women were exciting in the past when they had the chance to act like real women, they were doing beauty contests, bikini contests and women were arguing about who is hotter, now they are pretty much,doing nothing.

2- the second reason is the great women left, leaving us with girls who are not ready and not fully established to be able to carry the division, some exceptions were: Michelle McCool, Melina, Natalya and Beth Phoenix.

3- at some point the WWE writers litteraly stopped caring about the divas, which translated into the crowd's reception too. if u notice, the divas matches are always in the middle of the show, it's like they are saying to the crowd: go ahead, it's the pause time.

4- let's be honest, the current Divas themselves entered the WWE to gain world wide recognition and not to wrestle, which will open such categories ahead of them as Modelling, acting...etc, so why should we care about women who don't care?

BQ:- don't u think that the WWE really looks like the life of everyone of us? i mean, u have main persons interacting with u, which r the main-eventers, persons u interact with every once in a while, which r the mid-carders and there are peoples with no importance which are the jobbers, do u agree?
 
1. divas matches ain't the same anymore and don't look like they are considered as great divas. trish stratus,lita,molly holly,sable,stacy keibler and chyna were considered as really good wrestlers.
2.give wrestlers a push and stop giving cena title matches when he loses.
3.let other wrestlers be in the mainevent besides cena vs ???
4. stop releasing talented wrestlers
 
The fact WWE Creative don't know how to build up storylines. They ruin EVERYTHING.
No storylines are set in concrete, everything gets changed around at the last minute.

It shows they have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
 
1. divas matches ain't the same anymore and don't look like they are considered as great divas. trish stratus,lita,molly holly,sable,stacy keibler and chyna were considered as really good wrestlers.
First of all, Stacey Keibler was god awful. Chyna was very stiff as well. I doubt it's because of the talent that the diva's aren't being pushed. It's probably the lack of interest.
2.give wrestlers a push and stop giving cena title matches when he loses.
Cena can make everyone who's anyone look good. A match with Cena is a good day at the office so why the hell wouldn't you use him as much as you can?
3.let other wrestlers be in the mainevent besides cena vs ???
Read above.
4. stop releasing talented wrestlers
I'm a bit curious to see you name five talented wrestlers who ever meant anything in the WWE that have been released. If said wrestler is released, it's for a good reason or the fact that the wrestler is so far irrelevant that he cannot be saved.
The fact WWE Creative don't know how to build up storylines. They ruin EVERYTHING.
Everything? Can you honestly say everything? Maybe a better word would be "some".
No storylines are set in concrete, everything gets changed around at the last minute.
It shows they have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
When you have your boss yelling at you to make changes constantly there isn't much you can do. Regardless, the WWE still produces solid storylines.
 
First of all, Stacey Keibler was god awful. Chyna was very stiff as well.

That's for sure. In fact, Stacy Keibler and Sable weren't wrestlers at all, much less good ones. They were models, who needed to have an experienced wrestler on the other side of the ring to make their matches look remotely believable. On the rare occasions you'd see two models opposing each other, it was a disaster, unless you consider the Stacy Keibler vs Torrie Wilson contests to be technical wrestling classics.

Chyna was more of a freak show attraction than a wrestler. If you want to have a woman wrestle guys, you'd think she would have advantages in agility and speed to offset the fact she couldn't hope to match his upper-body power.

Instead, Chyna's ring repertoire was probably the slowest I've ever seen.....she looked as if she was floating in molasses. Without the cooperation of her opponent, she would never have made a believable wrestler. I've always thought the reason WWE refused her contract demands and let her walk was because her limitations as a wrestler were so severe; that her gimmick wouldn't have a long enough shelf life to warrant keeping her around at the money she wanted.
 
As far as the divas go, sooner or later we're going to have to accept the reality that they're used for eye candy now and that the WWE has very little interest in rebuilding that division. it's just like the tag division in a way. It will have its moments now and then where WWE pretends to care, and then they'll put the belt back on Kelly Kelly and it will be business as usual. I know it sucks, because I remember the good days of Trish and Lita just as much as everyone here does. But when those two retired, WWE gave up, and they have yet to show a consistent interest in the women since.
 
great thread. i try to ignore continual comments of hate towards an organization that i live for. honestly, without WWE id be watching: idk and dont care cause thats not the situation. but i still read the rants and on WZ and take it. its all good! them just be opinions of a patience lacking nWo.
 
The problem with the Divas division being "eye candy" is that they are PG. It's really lame. Sable and Stacy Keibler are fondly remembered because they would strip, do lingerie contest, mud wrestling etc. They were not good wrestlers but they provided entertainment for the non pg crowd.

None of the current divas are over and entertaining. Kelly-Kelly is on tv almost every week and still doesn't get a reaction from the crowd. She cant even run the ropes. No one wants to see her wrestle... they want to see her take off her clothes.

If Vince doesn't want them to act like ****es anymore, then they need to build the divas division around the divas that can actually wrestle. (Natty, Beth, AJ, Naomi, Layla, etc.)
 
These past few months WWE did a swerve job, they actually started to produce a quality show. They had the makings of a quality Austin VS McMahon feud in Punk VS McMahon but then the wheels fell off. Be it HHH or Vince himself, they couldn't pull it together. Egos, PG rating whatever, they just dropped the ball.

The new story lines are convoluted & trash. No one seems to care about Nash or HHH. Del Suckme or Punk. Hell even Rock VS Cena seems to have lost its luster. The push for SS has been asstastic. Cole VS Ross? Agian? Really? Really? Realllly? *le sigh*

So here is my question, can Punk save us? Can HHH, Vince etc., put their egos down and run a quality show? Punk has all the makings to become this generations Austin. Quality mic work, in-ring ability is superb. The IWC & casual fans love him. He is believable as the anti hero. So why not let him be that? Cenas fans are growing older & tired of his shtick. Just like any boy band of the 1990s the fans grow up and move away from them. Cena will run dry and who is left to pick up the torch?

Maybe its time to remove the reigns & let Punk run. Let him run in on Cena, HHH, Nash, Ziggler, Orton, Rhodes, Miz, Truth. Let him be the I hate you all & damn it I'm so good I can beat you all down. Austin was great because he got everyone. He crossed the barrier of face and heel. He was allowed to be his own conductor. Let Punk do that. Hell why would you not? He can sell merchandise, seats to a show, DVD's....so why not see where he can steer the ship.

Am I off base with this? What do you guys think?
 
Everything? Can you honestly say everything? Maybe a better word would be "some".

When you have your boss yelling at you to make changes constantly there isn't much you can do. Regardless, the WWE still produces solid storylines.
May 19th, Vince's bastard son, ECW in 2006, Vince's incident at Million Dollar Mania, Nexus, Punk and the WWE title, the conspiracy, the walkout, "Who Texted Nash?". All potentially good storylines for one reason or another have either been ruined or dropped altogether. All of those in the last 5 years, and I'm sure there have been a few other ones. Whether it's Vince, the staff or both they just don't know how to current make and keep good storylines. They are also afraid to take risks in regards to these angles. The whole summer of Punk thing and the NXT invasion are examples. This has to stop. Focus on making the most exciting wrestling show you can rather than just pandering to the kids.

As for the Divas, if you folks want T&A, watch porn. This is wrestling.
 
May 19th,
May 19th with Kane? It was solely used to promote Kane's movie See No Evil, nothing more.
Vince's bastard son,
This may be the only storyline you listed that failed.
ECW in 2006,
It managed to get the ECW originals some screen time again. It wasn't meant to do anything productive, rather Vince sqeezing the popularity out of ECW for his and the WWE's gain.
Vince's incident at Million Dollar Mania,
It wrote him off TV which needed to be done. He's been doing it every year since 2006.
Took 6 rookies and got them over big time. Nexus made them relevant for an entire year. Not exactly a fail.
Punk and the WWE title,
Punk's more over than ever and he's getting a lot of attention from WWE management. Not a fail.
the conspiracy,
What do you think Miz and R-Truth are all about? The storyline isn't over.
the walkout,
What more can you do with your entire roster walking out? Continue it for a month with 3 superstars on each show? Really?
"Who Texted Nash?".
Lead to where we are today...
All potentially good storylines for one reason or another have either been ruined or dropped altogether. All of those in the last 5 years, and I'm sure there have been a few other ones. Whether it's Vince, the staff or both they just don't know how to current make and keep good storylines. They are also afraid to take risks in regards to these angles. The whole summer of Punk thing and the NXT invasion are examples.
No they're not examples. Look at the bigger pictue. That's what you're failing to do.
This has to stop. Focus on making the most exciting wrestling show you can rather than just pandering to the kids.
Pandering to kids is horseshit. The product is still good no matter who they're targeting. What a cop out answer...
 
May 19th with Kane? It was solely used to promote Kane's movie See No Evil, nothing more.

This may be the only storyline you listed that failed.

It managed to get the ECW originals some screen time again. It wasn't meant to do anything productive, rather Vince sqeezing the popularity out of ECW for his and the WWE's gain.

It wrote him off TV which needed to be done. He's been doing it every year since 2006.

Took 6 rookies and got them over big time. Nexus made them relevant for an entire year. Not exactly a fail.

Punk's more over than ever and he's getting a lot of attention from WWE management. Not a fail.

What do you think Miz and R-Truth are all about? The storyline isn't over.

What more can you do with your entire roster walking out? Continue it for a month with 3 superstars on each show? Really?

Lead to where we are today...

No they're not examples. Look at the bigger pictue. That's what you're failing to do.

Pandering to kids is horseshit. The product is still good no matter who they're targeting. What a cop out answer...

Although I like most of the storylines, the problem with them are they start off great, you start wondering whats going to happen next, and then... Nothing happens... The storylines you are defending might served a purpose, but when you don't finish them properly, it will look like they are written on the go with noone thinking about the next steps. It is an insult to people who cares enough to remember how it all started. When you put a computer sending emails, mocking Piper's and Steve Austin's phrases, you ultimately should declare who he is. It continued for a year and ended up just like that. When you start with Nexus who invaded all the shows and PPV's, you should think of a proper reason and end it successfully. Nexus started off asking for contract, I don't know where along the lines they go that but they were involved in every PPV but for some reason still invaded the shows. So the reason why they did that, who knows? What I mean is for some time we had really good and interesting storylines going on. I just want them to be written off well, so that it doesn't insult us.
 
I love the wwe, always have and always will,no matter how bad the card is on a ppv i will still watch, everyone says the wwe isnt as good or its going downhill or whatever, there is only one solution to this, sure the wwe network will be great and sure all these new things are going to be good, but it all about going back to what works. Cm Punk uses the term making things "cool" again, making it fun again, thats the exact term to describe it. Whens the last time we saw something back stage that helped build a feud and left us saying "coool" whens the last time we saw something like stone cold filling vinces corvette with cement, whens the last time we saw something like rikishi and HHH attacking the rock with a driveby sledgehammer assult. Bring back what works!! have more backstage segments around the arena, take it out of the ring for a bit, a great promo to build a feud is great and it works, but having one for 4 weeks of back and forth talk in the ring culminating at a ppv is really not engaging. Why not have Cm punk take Albertos car for a spin and film it and show him driving it around the city and then entering the arena, something that just pisses del rio and therefore makes it more personal, why not have big show attacked by mark henry on his way to the ring destroying catering tables and then blowing up a light or something! its not hard to just make things fun again. go back to what works! Wwe used to be an environment where whoever was fueding wanted to not only kick the crap out each other but piss each other off and this mades the feud personal. like i said earlier with stone cold filling vinces car with cement, or blowing up the limo all this sort of stuff, make things intersting and fun again, build the fued between 2 people having them make it personal and make the audience want to buy the ppv to finally see them getting their hands on each other, not just having a wwe match because hey punk is the next in line and probably the biggest so hes just gonna lock in an anaconda vice and then get a match. It can still be PG, nothing has to change, the fact is wwe can still be PG and entertain all ages of wrestling fans
 
For the first time in my 25 years of life my heart was broken recently.... I know what your thinking....... This has nothing to do with wrestling right? Which you are completely correct for thinking that! But here is my reason for this thread!

I have bitched and moaned alot but i have always loved WWE! and since i got dumped and my heart broken i realize how much better WWE is then the way we are making it seem

Literally i watched RAW and SmackDown and remembered why im a wrestling fan! Were there things that bothered me? Of course! But watching made me forget about my broken heart!

And i realized that we are all still watching because we all (at least most of us) grew up with this! Has it changed? Hell yes it has! but is it really as bad as we are saying? Look through the forums! You will find a billion "Anti Cena" or "anti Orton" or "anti WWE" Threads but it is very hard to find a positive thread!

I was doing the same thing but im telling all of you when you heart is broken and you watch the thing thats made you happy since you were 2 you realize that even now its still amazing!

I've always loved Orton and never really been too much of a Cena hater but at the moment i literally love everyone on the roster! From Santino to Hornswoggle! All of them in my mind are doing something right and i think that maybe we are the ones that are wrong!

We are all (most of us at least) older now and we miss how it used to be, which is fine! But next time you watch take some time and actually watch the talent we have entertaining us right now! Its Great!

So my question, and sole reason for this Thread is to ask you

Can we stop the bitching and whining and try to enjoy a product that if looked at closely really isnt as bad as what we make it?

Cuz really if you hated the WWE why would you be watching?

I cant wait to hear your feedback on this! I am sure alot of you will give me shit but bring it on! Tell me why you cant just watch the program and accept the entertainment that you are obviously being entertained by because you are still watching!
 
Was your love more to WWE? or the person you was with? logical question jw..people will bitch about anything to get there day by. People complain that it's stale and boring, but they don't do anything to change it...instead of trying to find a way to satisfy themselves they post it on forums just to get it out of them for a good couple days...always gonna be critic to anything...and some people can't ever change with something that changes.
 
i dont really bitch about wwe very often but i actually do hate it! at the same time, i dont watch it! i stopped about 3years ago because of this pg bullshit! having the muppets in wrestling makes me very happy i made that choice! tna has many flaws but at least they aren't trying to copy sesame street! that is what i watch now!
 
i dont really bitch about wwe very often but i actually do hate it! at the same time, i dont watch it! i stopped about 3years ago because of this pg bullshit! having the muppets in wrestling makes me very happy i made that choice! tna has many flaws but at least they aren't trying to copy sesame street! that is what i watch now!

The muppets were actually kinda funny. But still, people do complain a lot. And I guess in a way that's what forums like these are for, but I really wish people would think their arguments out a little better before they re-hash the same old "This guy can't wrestle" or "So and so should turn heel!" or "So and so is hogging the main events!". These sort of comments are common, poorly thought out and really don't advance the conversation. If you have a real gripe, cool let's hear it. But the people repeating the same tired lines over and over again are what bothers me.
 
I've recently made similar observations somewhere on the board here. I actually resolved to can the negativity and focus on the brighter aspects.

... Didn't work. Eventually I started bitching again about one John Cena. Either way I try to look at it I can't deny being tired of him. To be fair I'm pretty sure I would hate him as a 12 year old, too (seeing as when I was 12 I also hated Hulk Hogan) and back then I had not yet forgotten what made wrestling so magical to me...

... But overall you're right. The IWC is a bunch of cynical self-proclaimed critics who feel their opinions have merit because they pretty much find fault in anything the WWE or TNA does. It's easy to say everything sucks and it makes a lot of people feel important to do so.


You ask one great question: If so many people really hate the WWE, why watch it?
I wish I could answer that. Some will probably say it's because the WWE has a monopoly - they're the only game in town. But I have a feeling if WCW and the AWA were still around the focus would be more on "which promotion is the worst" rather than the best... People just like to bitch.
 
People complain for no reason half the time they don't even know what it is or why they hate the product, Like you hear on this site all the time its easier to be a heel than a face well its the same its easier to bitch and criticize than to give props.

The WWE product is still great we just don't have the same great character personalities as we use to in the AE. that's the only difference. If your honest and really remember the AE you know there were some of the dumbest story lines in that 2 hr show but when personalities like The Rock, Austin, Undertaker, HHH and McMahon were on they were above and beyond everybody else and that's the only thing AE era marks remember.

Seriously the guy who said he watches TNA instead if he thinks TNA is a better product he is on something. What its better cause they cuss that's not creative or entertaining its equivalent to getting a cheap pop from the local crowd by saying their city name.
 
For the first time in my 25 years of life my heart was broken recently.... I know what your thinking....... This has nothing to do with wrestling right? Which you are completely correct for thinking that! But here is my reason for this thread!

I have bitched and moaned alot but i have always loved WWE! and since i got dumped and my heart broken i realize how much better WWE is then the way we are making it seem

Literally i watched RAW and SmackDown and remembered why im a wrestling fan! Were there things that bothered me? Of course! But watching made me forget about my broken heart!

And i realized that we are all still watching because we all (at least most of us) grew up with this! Has it changed? Hell yes it has! but is it really as bad as we are saying? Look through the forums! You will find a billion "Anti Cena" or "anti Orton" or "anti WWE" Threads but it is very hard to find a positive thread!

I was doing the same thing but im telling all of you when you heart is broken and you watch the thing thats made you happy since you were 2 you realize that even now its still amazing!

I've always loved Orton and never really been too much of a Cena hater but at the moment i literally love everyone on the roster! From Santino to Hornswoggle! All of them in my mind are doing something right and i think that maybe we are the ones that are wrong!

We are all (most of us at least) older now and we miss how it used to be, which is fine! But next time you watch take some time and actually watch the talent we have entertaining us right now! Its Great!

So my question, and sole reason for this Thread is to ask you

Can we stop the bitching and whining and try to enjoy a product that if looked at closely really isnt as bad as what we make it?

Cuz really if you hated the WWE why would you be watching?

I cant wait to hear your feedback on this! I am sure alot of you will give me shit but bring it on! Tell me why you cant just watch the program and accept the entertainment that you are obviously being entertained by because you are still watching!


the interwebs has made people (most teenage to low 20 y/o) kids *****ES...I said it, because noone will ever know who you are people think its ok to trash things just for trashing them because really there is no consequence, you think ANYONE on this board would say to cena "you suck you have 5 moves stop acting gay" no they wouldnt, you think anyone here can book better than vince RUSSO or McMahon...NOPE because the last time I check NOONE on this damn fourm is a booker or has built a billion dollar wrestling company...

but since its easier to come up with hate/sum what witty remark, thats what people do...

but to you fact I love wrestling, I may not read spoilers and order every ppv but I love it I always call it a male soap opera and most times (if there is a good football game on) I just skip the "wrestling" and watch the spats/feud altercations...
 

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