If everybody was happy with the WWE 100% what on earth would the wrestling forums be used for? 800 posts that mean the same thing? Nothing ever feels the same when you're older as it did when you was younger. The wrestlers you grew up loving retire, things changed, so many people moan about it yet 95% of them still watch it every week. People are aloud to critize The world would be a boring place if everybody was the same.
WWE General Complaints Thread
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Unfortunately people have nothing better to do then bitch on the Internet
They will complain the CM Punk is not getting pushed, he get's pushed and people say he really isn't that great and his character is getting boring
People complained that Miz was not a main eventer, they turn him into Main eventer, people say he wasn't ready
People say the hate the PG, yet some of these are the same people who grew up with the WWE during the 80's and loved it, when it was completely PG
So obviously people are going to bitch just because they can
They will complain the CM Punk is not getting pushed, he get's pushed and people say he really isn't that great and his character is getting boring
People complained that Miz was not a main eventer, they turn him into Main eventer, people say he wasn't ready
People say the hate the PG, yet some of these are the same people who grew up with the WWE during the 80's and loved it, when it was completely PG
So obviously people are going to bitch just because they can
Well our bad for trashing WWE. Hey I love WWE as a kid growing up and still loving its entertainment. Do I love it as much as I used to? Hell nah, the entertainment went from Epic Orgasm to dry blue balls. The reason why people are bashing now is because they're recycling storylines, they're recycling match finishes, they're recycling lines, they're recycling the same star *cena* for main event, and the list goes on and on. Its just like a movie, wouldn't you bash Transformers if they had the same freaken storyline every movie? Well thats actually what transformers did and thats why it sucked. WWE has run out of ideas, their build ups their story telling in the ring are dull. Nothing special and no more excitement, like Billy gun and road dogg said, its been a while since WWE has made it exciting waiting for the next episode of raw. The only way that wwe can even bring in excitement now is CM Punk's uncensored promos and return of the rock and thats about it. Everything else is boring and has been used before. Now have you thought of that before asking why we bitch so much?I think CM Punk's constant "shoot" style promos are weakening the product and making everyone else look like an idiot.
Matches and feuds are supposed to be built on good reasons to dislike or hate each other - or for the honour and prestige that being a champion brings.
Punk has resorted to IWC style smarminess, especially poigant this week with his promo on Del Rio.
He didn't tell him "I wanna be the champion because I'm the best in the world and you're not." or "I don't think you're a fitting champion because you can't beat me, and you've gott abe the best".
He said he was one-dimensional on the microphone, and that's why he wanted to beat him for the title. How weak is that? Come on, what sort of crap is that.
I liked Punk's "shoot" schtick back in June and July when he thought he was leaving, but at this stage he's just making everything look ridiculous.
Matches and feuds are supposed to be built on good reasons to dislike or hate each other - or for the honour and prestige that being a champion brings.
Punk has resorted to IWC style smarminess, especially poigant this week with his promo on Del Rio.
He didn't tell him "I wanna be the champion because I'm the best in the world and you're not." or "I don't think you're a fitting champion because you can't beat me, and you've gott abe the best".
He said he was one-dimensional on the microphone, and that's why he wanted to beat him for the title. How weak is that? Come on, what sort of crap is that.
I liked Punk's "shoot" schtick back in June and July when he thought he was leaving, but at this stage he's just making everything look ridiculous.
RkoMachine
Pre-Show Stalwart
Actually yes i have! And you are proving my point! i noticed how you only mentioned storylines and not the talent. Yes the Punk promo was awesome and the fact that the rock is gonna be back is exciting because im a fucking fan! But you are completely false! The WWE has much more to offer but your bitching about storylines! who fucking cares about storylines when we are being given good matches every week? really you need a storyline to make a match good? well then stop watching wrestling pal
tango bamboo
New Member
You know im getting older and i miss the good old days of rock, Austin etc but i dont really think guys like me are there target so much lol, the PG days are here again. but i must say i enjoy it still.
Paralyzer Z
Fuck honor
What!? How does Punk's criticism of Del Rio's mic skills make everyone look bad. It is not really breaking the 4th wall is it? Insulting a guy's ability to talk in front of people does not indicate that. This is Punk's character a guy that is a smartass and says things no one else would day. To tell the truth it sounds authentic and make plenty of sense without giving the fans a sense that this is scripted like his initial shoot. As long as that is HIS character everyone else should just carry on their characters like normal, it is their job to say something corny like this:
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Regardless of that bit of comedy there, it is fine because it furthers the storylines which is what they are paid to do! Characters and personalities have never indirectly affected each other if not engaged in a feud, and the casual fans do not realize it, but that means that they are selling the product well.
g4lU
I think the problem with wrestling in today's PG era, is there's no build up to the matches like there used to be.
I'm telling you add in more backstage brawls, chair shots, tables, and blood. That shit fuels matches.
Just think if ADR had taken out PUNK backstage last night on Raw, thrown him around a lot more back stage. All of a sudden PUNK can't compete on RAW and is shown limping backstage etc. That kind of stuff builds emotion. They need to make it more personal.
Or if R-Truth and Miz would of discretely brought a chair into the ring and clobbered the Rock and Cena with it leaving them helpless inside the ring while they laughed / cameras faded to black. I bet it would make you want to watch Survivor Series that much more!
Back in the Attitude days and post Attitude we had a lot of this. We had moments where you felt so bad for the guy you just had to see what would happen at the PPV. Now we get a "Go to Sleep" or a "WMD" to end a segment which just doesn't bring the emotion.
If they're not going to utilize the excessiveness of backstage brawling, weapons, and blood. Then at least develop storylines that make sense. Like honestly, this whole Rock & Cena / Miz Truth thing... does it really make any fn sense? Where did it even really come from? Why should we give a crap? They should of built it up a lot more, have Cena beaten down badly week after week before he has no choice but to call upon his foe, The Rock.
I don't know seems like common sense is being completely overlooked now a days.
Yet you have the continuous status quo of boring undeveloped characters wasting valuable TV time when you could be easily filling the time slots with valuable segments and story lines. The only one I think they've been somewhat accomplishing is ADR and Cm Punk and like I said, I think it's because they've had some backstage brawling, and some punishment after matches etc... step it up a notch and you'll sell. My views.
I'm telling you add in more backstage brawls, chair shots, tables, and blood. That shit fuels matches.
Just think if ADR had taken out PUNK backstage last night on Raw, thrown him around a lot more back stage. All of a sudden PUNK can't compete on RAW and is shown limping backstage etc. That kind of stuff builds emotion. They need to make it more personal.
Or if R-Truth and Miz would of discretely brought a chair into the ring and clobbered the Rock and Cena with it leaving them helpless inside the ring while they laughed / cameras faded to black. I bet it would make you want to watch Survivor Series that much more!
Back in the Attitude days and post Attitude we had a lot of this. We had moments where you felt so bad for the guy you just had to see what would happen at the PPV. Now we get a "Go to Sleep" or a "WMD" to end a segment which just doesn't bring the emotion.
If they're not going to utilize the excessiveness of backstage brawling, weapons, and blood. Then at least develop storylines that make sense. Like honestly, this whole Rock & Cena / Miz Truth thing... does it really make any fn sense? Where did it even really come from? Why should we give a crap? They should of built it up a lot more, have Cena beaten down badly week after week before he has no choice but to call upon his foe, The Rock.
I don't know seems like common sense is being completely overlooked now a days.
Yet you have the continuous status quo of boring undeveloped characters wasting valuable TV time when you could be easily filling the time slots with valuable segments and story lines. The only one I think they've been somewhat accomplishing is ADR and Cm Punk and like I said, I think it's because they've had some backstage brawling, and some punishment after matches etc... step it up a notch and you'll sell. My views.
HeenanGorilla
Championship Contender
Michael Hayes is the absolute worst. Why is this man part of EVERY round table discussion on WWE On Demand? He seems either drunk or like he is trying to be really deep with his elementary questions. Such drama going into questions -- the only entertaining part is the other panelists' thought bubbles that I swear I can see. "Get to the point, Michael" "We already answered that, Michael." "Keep blowing cigar smoke in my face, Michael." "Why are you here, Michael?"
Wrestlemania 17 Gimmick Battle Royal. Why was he in it? He is not a gimmick. I can just picture him begging for a Wrestlemania match. "Well..what's your gimmick, Michael?" "I don't have one. But I was successful outside of the WWF once and want to cling to that." "But, most people will wonder why Doc Hendrix is strutting to the ring in a robe." "Yes, but very few people will get a kick out of it." "Ok, agreed...now send Kim-chee in on your way out."
In 1997, at Newark Airport, I was waiting for a flight and saw Hayes. To show how little I knew (and still know because he does not interest me at all), I said "That's Doc Hendrix". None of my friends knew who he was--like most of the world. I walked over and asked the guy that he was with if he was from the WWF. He said "Yes, but do you know what tag team he was with?" I said no. At the time, I felt bad. Now, I am glad that I brought Hayes down a peg.
I only watched WWF growing up, but even with broadening my scope now, I still don't see where this guy gets his "major part of history" ego. It'd be like Scott Norton saying he was part of the NWO when they were huge. "Uh, yeaaahhh, teeeeechnically, but no, not really, man"
Wrestlemania 17 Gimmick Battle Royal. Why was he in it? He is not a gimmick. I can just picture him begging for a Wrestlemania match. "Well..what's your gimmick, Michael?" "I don't have one. But I was successful outside of the WWF once and want to cling to that." "But, most people will wonder why Doc Hendrix is strutting to the ring in a robe." "Yes, but very few people will get a kick out of it." "Ok, agreed...now send Kim-chee in on your way out."
In 1997, at Newark Airport, I was waiting for a flight and saw Hayes. To show how little I knew (and still know because he does not interest me at all), I said "That's Doc Hendrix". None of my friends knew who he was--like most of the world. I walked over and asked the guy that he was with if he was from the WWF. He said "Yes, but do you know what tag team he was with?" I said no. At the time, I felt bad. Now, I am glad that I brought Hayes down a peg.
I only watched WWF growing up, but even with broadening my scope now, I still don't see where this guy gets his "major part of history" ego. It'd be like Scott Norton saying he was part of the NWO when they were huge. "Uh, yeaaahhh, teeeeechnically, but no, not really, man"
Interesting post, because I both strongly agree and strongly disagree.
I strongly agree with the fact that a lack of feud buildup has become a major problem on way too regular of a basis. Just look at Survivor Series. You have a huge main event that involves two of the biggest stars in history on the same team. But what is this feud even about? Miz and Truth did cost Cena the title, but that's barely been mentioned. Nothing is on the line in the match, so in reality, Rock and Cena have no real reason to co-exist. And Rock only showed up one week. I get that he has a busy schedule, but come on. We're supposed to believe that he really HATES Miz and R-Truth when he only shows up to face off with them for one week, and talks more about Cena than he does about them?
BUT, my fix to that match (and a lot of other poorly built matches) has little to do with excessive blood or even weapons. All they had to do was make it clearer that Cena's main goal was to stop the havoc and chaos that Miz and Truth had been creating. On that note, maybe they shouldn't have STOPPED the chaos almost right after they got re-hired. Maybe they should have come up with a better reason as to why they cost John Cena the match at Vengeance. Something like, they want to take down the icons of WWE to show that they're the real deal, and prove to Laurinaitis why they deserve to be treated as stars. Then you can built off that with them wanting to make the ultimate statement by taking down Rock AND Cena at once.
The answer was not for them to beat Cena down until he bled all over the arena like a pig. The answer was better story development, so that the audience has more of a reason to get emotionally invested in the match. So that the audience believes that The Rock has an actual reason to come back, beyond WWE calling him and saying, "Hey, we need buyrates, mind wrestling a match for us?" The same thing applies to other poorly built matches. They're poorly built because they're not about anything. If WWE were to just put a little more effort into booking storylines instead of just feuds, more pay-per-views would be must buys instead of simple filler.
I thought that 2001 was going to be the greatest year in wrestling history. Wrestlemania 17 was arguably the biggest PPV of all time, WWE became the undisputed king of wrestling, and the Invasion angle was going to give us every dream match we had ever hoped for. Unfortunately, we all know how 2001 ended. Everything went out with a whimper. The dream matches we looked forward to either didn't happen or didn't mean anything, and the Invasion turned into one of the biggest disappointments in wrestling history. It seemed like nothing made sense and so many great opportunities were missed.
2011 should have been one of the greatest years in wrestling history. Unfortunately, it seems more like the 10 year anniversary of the failures of 2001. This year seemed like it was going to amazing. The buzz that the Rocks return caused was unreal. It was the most exciting thing that had happened in a long time. To a lesser extent, we got to see guys like Miz and Christian breath some new life into the world title scene. All of this paled in comparison to the rise of CM Punk. One short promo made him the most talked about man in all of pro wrestling. Not only that, but he managed to break into the mainstream with mentions on ESPN and other places that never talk pro wrestling. Add that to the return of of Triple H and Kevin Nash and there wasn't a single wrestling fan that wasn't dying to see how the rest of the year would play out.
Sadly, the greatness of the first part of the year pales in comparison to the bizarre and senseless booking we have seen in the last few months. CM Punk winning the world title and quitting the WWE was a huge shocker. Oddly enough, that angle lasted a total of one week. We then got to see some great, heated promo's between Punk and the returning Triple H. Rumor had it that they were building towards a huge grudge match between the two at either Survivor Series or Wrestlemania. For some ungodly reason that match took place after two weeks at a throw away PPV. Immediately after they wrestled each other, they teamed together two weeks later at another throw away PPV. This WCW level of hotshot booking took away 90% of the momentum Punk had this summer. They blew threw his two biggest feuds, John Cena and Triple H, in absolute record time. He's still popular, but none of the mystic is left. He's just another babyface feuding with a boring Del Rio.
We have also seen some horrible booking with the returning Kevin Nash. He makes a huge impact by costing Punk the title, cuts some good promo's on RAW, and is then gone for weeks before coming back to take out Triple H. Does this lead to a huge match between Nash and Triple H at Survivor Series? Of course not. It leads to Nash "keeping his heat" by beating up Santino Marella while Triple H isn't even on TV. I'm sure that their just saving Nash vs. Triple H for a "huge" PPV like TLC.
There were also a lot of great storylines in 2011 that went nowhere. Everyone was wondering what would happen with RAW walkout. That is until it was resolved 20 minutes into the next RAW. Anyone remember the class action lawsuit that David Otunga and John Laurinaitis were working on with all the heels. Apparently the WWE doesn't either. I actually thought that Mr. Laurinaitis was going to be the glue that brought all these great storylines together. It was obvious to anyone that watched wrestling that they were building up to having John be the man that was behind all the chaos in the WWE. He seemed to be forming an alliance with Miz, Truth, Nash, and the other top heels to form a new super group that was going to give us some great new storylines. WZ was ever reporting that as the main angle the WWE was going to go with. However, after months of buildup, it all went away because Vince McMahon decided on a whim that he didn't want any factions in the WWE.
This all leads up to the saving grace of 2011. The Rock's return at Survivor Series. I believe this has contributed the most to this bizarre booking. The way Vince is putting all his eggs in the Rock basket damn near comes off as desperate. Remember that whole heel faction thing from last paragraph? Well that was stopped because Vince didn't want anything taking attention off the Rock at Survivor Series. That's why the huge elimination match main event WWE promoted for weeks was changed to Rock and Cena, two of the biggest stars of all time, against a couple of random heels with ZERO momentum going into Survivor Series. I'm sure the Survivor Series will do huge PPV numbers, but it will probably hurt the storylines of everything that follows until Wrestlemania. Basically, it doesn't matter what Rock does at Survivor Series. We wont see him again for months. He sure as hell isn't going to be at TLC to continue his feud. Therefor, all those other angles that the WWE needs to carry itself wont be built up either. They were all shelved to make the Rock the biggest star, and now the WWE wont have anything for the fans to be excited about while the Rock is gone.
It's almost eerie how 2001 and 2011 have paralleled. Both years started with huge Wrestlemanias. Both years had huge events that got everyone talking during the summer. And both years seemed to let everything go to hell in the fall leading up to a disappointment at Survivor Series.
It seemed like the WWE was on the verge of something huge that would make the company hotter than it has been in years. Unfortunately, it looks like they didn't learn anything from the mistakes of the past.
2011 should have been one of the greatest years in wrestling history. Unfortunately, it seems more like the 10 year anniversary of the failures of 2001. This year seemed like it was going to amazing. The buzz that the Rocks return caused was unreal. It was the most exciting thing that had happened in a long time. To a lesser extent, we got to see guys like Miz and Christian breath some new life into the world title scene. All of this paled in comparison to the rise of CM Punk. One short promo made him the most talked about man in all of pro wrestling. Not only that, but he managed to break into the mainstream with mentions on ESPN and other places that never talk pro wrestling. Add that to the return of of Triple H and Kevin Nash and there wasn't a single wrestling fan that wasn't dying to see how the rest of the year would play out.
Sadly, the greatness of the first part of the year pales in comparison to the bizarre and senseless booking we have seen in the last few months. CM Punk winning the world title and quitting the WWE was a huge shocker. Oddly enough, that angle lasted a total of one week. We then got to see some great, heated promo's between Punk and the returning Triple H. Rumor had it that they were building towards a huge grudge match between the two at either Survivor Series or Wrestlemania. For some ungodly reason that match took place after two weeks at a throw away PPV. Immediately after they wrestled each other, they teamed together two weeks later at another throw away PPV. This WCW level of hotshot booking took away 90% of the momentum Punk had this summer. They blew threw his two biggest feuds, John Cena and Triple H, in absolute record time. He's still popular, but none of the mystic is left. He's just another babyface feuding with a boring Del Rio.
We have also seen some horrible booking with the returning Kevin Nash. He makes a huge impact by costing Punk the title, cuts some good promo's on RAW, and is then gone for weeks before coming back to take out Triple H. Does this lead to a huge match between Nash and Triple H at Survivor Series? Of course not. It leads to Nash "keeping his heat" by beating up Santino Marella while Triple H isn't even on TV. I'm sure that their just saving Nash vs. Triple H for a "huge" PPV like TLC.
There were also a lot of great storylines in 2011 that went nowhere. Everyone was wondering what would happen with RAW walkout. That is until it was resolved 20 minutes into the next RAW. Anyone remember the class action lawsuit that David Otunga and John Laurinaitis were working on with all the heels. Apparently the WWE doesn't either. I actually thought that Mr. Laurinaitis was going to be the glue that brought all these great storylines together. It was obvious to anyone that watched wrestling that they were building up to having John be the man that was behind all the chaos in the WWE. He seemed to be forming an alliance with Miz, Truth, Nash, and the other top heels to form a new super group that was going to give us some great new storylines. WZ was ever reporting that as the main angle the WWE was going to go with. However, after months of buildup, it all went away because Vince McMahon decided on a whim that he didn't want any factions in the WWE.
This all leads up to the saving grace of 2011. The Rock's return at Survivor Series. I believe this has contributed the most to this bizarre booking. The way Vince is putting all his eggs in the Rock basket damn near comes off as desperate. Remember that whole heel faction thing from last paragraph? Well that was stopped because Vince didn't want anything taking attention off the Rock at Survivor Series. That's why the huge elimination match main event WWE promoted for weeks was changed to Rock and Cena, two of the biggest stars of all time, against a couple of random heels with ZERO momentum going into Survivor Series. I'm sure the Survivor Series will do huge PPV numbers, but it will probably hurt the storylines of everything that follows until Wrestlemania. Basically, it doesn't matter what Rock does at Survivor Series. We wont see him again for months. He sure as hell isn't going to be at TLC to continue his feud. Therefor, all those other angles that the WWE needs to carry itself wont be built up either. They were all shelved to make the Rock the biggest star, and now the WWE wont have anything for the fans to be excited about while the Rock is gone.
It's almost eerie how 2001 and 2011 have paralleled. Both years started with huge Wrestlemanias. Both years had huge events that got everyone talking during the summer. And both years seemed to let everything go to hell in the fall leading up to a disappointment at Survivor Series.
It seemed like the WWE was on the verge of something huge that would make the company hotter than it has been in years. Unfortunately, it looks like they didn't learn anything from the mistakes of the past.
Nice post, I agree with you.
I'm defiantly not saying that only using blood and weapons in the WWE will make the product more interesting and sell better. I was also trying to explain that this part of the product needs to coincide with proper story building and structure - like you stated in your post.
If you can develop good story lines and then add some brutality (not necessarily full fledged crimson masks) but to violence to some extent you will have the people more interested.
Looking back at the attitude days when WWE was at it's all time high, they pushed the envelope and always had people guessing what they would do next.
I understand the times have changed and that new scientific research into concussions / Benoit has pretty much eliminated chair shots to the head from WWE's repertoire.
It's unfortunate however that we're being left with such a dull product. This is seemingly why so many young people are now attracted to the product.
Anyway, long story short, what I'm trying to say is if they could build storylines properly and actually provide emotion that makes you interested in them they would be a lot more successful. They have so much talent on their roster that really seems to placed in the dark (Drew, Morrison, etc) if they could construct story lines and maybe add some more chair shots, sledge hammers, etc. It would be a lot better!
And yes, I defiantly agree with the Rock angle. They should of started this thing out back in the Summer, had Cena beaten down, and Awesome Truth on a rampage looking to make their mark in the WWE. Have them dismantling main events, backstage brawls resulting in injuries to top opponents... etc etc etc. Finally to the point where Cena cuts an emotional promo stating there would only be one man that could come back to put Awesome Truth in their place - The Rock. Then you could have Rocky come back (once at least, maybe twice) and cut a promo how he isn't coming back for John Cena but for the People... I dunno.. something like that. I guess that kind of would conflict with CM Punk's saviour angle... but I think it would of worked a hell of a lot better then throwing a bunch of guys in the ring together with no storyline. But nonetheless Vince McMahon sold out MSG and RAW had a 3.25 so what does he care... lol.
I'm defiantly not saying that only using blood and weapons in the WWE will make the product more interesting and sell better. I was also trying to explain that this part of the product needs to coincide with proper story building and structure - like you stated in your post.
If you can develop good story lines and then add some brutality (not necessarily full fledged crimson masks) but to violence to some extent you will have the people more interested.
Looking back at the attitude days when WWE was at it's all time high, they pushed the envelope and always had people guessing what they would do next.
I understand the times have changed and that new scientific research into concussions / Benoit has pretty much eliminated chair shots to the head from WWE's repertoire.
It's unfortunate however that we're being left with such a dull product. This is seemingly why so many young people are now attracted to the product.
Anyway, long story short, what I'm trying to say is if they could build storylines properly and actually provide emotion that makes you interested in them they would be a lot more successful. They have so much talent on their roster that really seems to placed in the dark (Drew, Morrison, etc) if they could construct story lines and maybe add some more chair shots, sledge hammers, etc. It would be a lot better!
And yes, I defiantly agree with the Rock angle. They should of started this thing out back in the Summer, had Cena beaten down, and Awesome Truth on a rampage looking to make their mark in the WWE. Have them dismantling main events, backstage brawls resulting in injuries to top opponents... etc etc etc. Finally to the point where Cena cuts an emotional promo stating there would only be one man that could come back to put Awesome Truth in their place - The Rock. Then you could have Rocky come back (once at least, maybe twice) and cut a promo how he isn't coming back for John Cena but for the People... I dunno.. something like that. I guess that kind of would conflict with CM Punk's saviour angle... but I think it would of worked a hell of a lot better then throwing a bunch of guys in the ring together with no storyline. But nonetheless Vince McMahon sold out MSG and RAW had a 3.25 so what does he care... lol.
Same could be said for almost every year since 2001.
one let down after another, with some shining moments.
WrestleMania lost it's way from WrestleMania 7-14 Austin era brought back some greatness then it went downhill again after WrestleMania 19. other then a few stellar matches on each card that is..
It's just one eternal series of PPV that don't have the same impact as they did in the past.
one let down after another, with some shining moments.
WrestleMania lost it's way from WrestleMania 7-14 Austin era brought back some greatness then it went downhill again after WrestleMania 19. other then a few stellar matches on each card that is..
It's just one eternal series of PPV that don't have the same impact as they did in the past.
LoudClearVoice
Mid-Card Championship Winner
A couple things:
1) IF and this is a major IF, the main event at Survivor Series is set up for a Cena heel turn, then all of this makes sense. What if Cena has been in cahoots with Miz and Truth and Larinitis all this time?
2) There's no guarantee that the Rock won't be back until Wrestlemania. All the Little Jimmys want to believe that (as they use it as a diss against the Rock) but the reports are that Vince McMahon wants Rock to appear on two PPVs BEFORE WM. Suvivor Series is one and probably the Rumble is the other. I don't see him competing but he'll probably be a guest ref in something involving Cena. Also, he'll be on a few RAWs leading into Wrestlemania.
1) IF and this is a major IF, the main event at Survivor Series is set up for a Cena heel turn, then all of this makes sense. What if Cena has been in cahoots with Miz and Truth and Larinitis all this time?
2) There's no guarantee that the Rock won't be back until Wrestlemania. All the Little Jimmys want to believe that (as they use it as a diss against the Rock) but the reports are that Vince McMahon wants Rock to appear on two PPVs BEFORE WM. Suvivor Series is one and probably the Rumble is the other. I don't see him competing but he'll probably be a guest ref in something involving Cena. Also, he'll be on a few RAWs leading into Wrestlemania.
"I know what WWE stands for, World Wide Entertainment!"
That's what my 8 year old daughter just said to me. So I asked her, "Where did you hear that?" And she says from one of the books that's for sale at the book fair. Apparently there are a number WWE books available at the book fair her school is having and she came home today with a book she bought called: "The Ultimate Guide to WWE."
Now after she apparently told me the truth, as I believe she did read it from this book I took the book from her and pointed to the bottom border to that book and asked her to read it for me. "World Wrestling Entertainment"
This book is the biggest load of tripe I've ever seen.
"Chavo Guerrero
In Mexico and Southern Texas, everyone knows the Guerrero name, particularly if they are sports entertainment Fans! That's because Chavo Guerrero is a third-generation Superstar with the talent to back up his legacy. Chavo is the nephew of WWE Hall of Famer Eddie Guerrero and grandson of the legendary Gory Guerrero. But Chavo has carved out his own spot in the sports entertainment industry by winning titles and helping to train future Superstars!"
Good old PG-era crap. This stuff just makes me facepalm. It's just wrong on so many levels.
Have any of you guys seen this kind of stuff? What do you make of it? Is it all as terrible as this?
That's what my 8 year old daughter just said to me. So I asked her, "Where did you hear that?" And she says from one of the books that's for sale at the book fair. Apparently there are a number WWE books available at the book fair her school is having and she came home today with a book she bought called: "The Ultimate Guide to WWE."
Now after she apparently told me the truth, as I believe she did read it from this book I took the book from her and pointed to the bottom border to that book and asked her to read it for me. "World Wrestling Entertainment"
This book is the biggest load of tripe I've ever seen.
"Chavo Guerrero
In Mexico and Southern Texas, everyone knows the Guerrero name, particularly if they are sports entertainment Fans! That's because Chavo Guerrero is a third-generation Superstar with the talent to back up his legacy. Chavo is the nephew of WWE Hall of Famer Eddie Guerrero and grandson of the legendary Gory Guerrero. But Chavo has carved out his own spot in the sports entertainment industry by winning titles and helping to train future Superstars!"
Good old PG-era crap. This stuff just makes me facepalm. It's just wrong on so many levels.
Have any of you guys seen this kind of stuff? What do you make of it? Is it all as terrible as this?
...I...I don't see anything particularly wrong with that statement. I mean, sure its bigging Chavo up a bit, but why put him down? He has helped train new Wrestlers, and put them over in the WWE. The Guerrero family name is pretty famous, even if Chavo isnt particularly himself.
I think its pretty classy that WWE has written something so nice about Chavo after his post release rants, actually. It shows who the bigger side is...and its certainly not Chavo.
I think its pretty classy that WWE has written something so nice about Chavo after his post release rants, actually. It shows who the bigger side is...and its certainly not Chavo.
This Is My Name Thank You
Is a horrible poster.
I have been calling the WWE that for years now. Hell, I thought it was a matter of time before they actually did call themselves World Wide Entertainment. It would make sense since now the Rock is the "most electrifying man in entertainment" no longer being "sports entertainment." It is weird man that now they don't want to be called a wrestling company or even a sports company? Then the WWE should just change their name over.
I don't see it as a bad thing as I couldn't care less what they called themselves as long as they still have wrestling on RAW and don't decided to call themselves a circus. If they ever did that, I would never watch RAW or WWE again. The WWE can change their name and like I said as long as there is wrestling on the show I will continue to watch. No matter how horrible, stale, boring and predictable it has been.
But it is funny your daughter has mentioned that and maybe she is going to be on to something...
I don't see it as a bad thing as I couldn't care less what they called themselves as long as they still have wrestling on RAW and don't decided to call themselves a circus. If they ever did that, I would never watch RAW or WWE again. The WWE can change their name and like I said as long as there is wrestling on the show I will continue to watch. No matter how horrible, stale, boring and predictable it has been.
But it is funny your daughter has mentioned that and maybe she is going to be on to something...
It's not WHAT the book says, it's how it says it. I mean, I get that it's aimed and children, but even so it just reminds me of when Dora The Explorer asks a question and then sits there standing until you just want to scream at the TV "My 2 year old already answered you 700 times already!"
There is a certain patronizing, talking down to going on in this book, and then how they glaze over the monday night wars as WCW being a rival that just wasn't extreme enough to compete.
Man I'm telling'ya if this is any indication of how the new generation of fans is getting their "education" about the history of pro-wrestling, forget about Hulk Hogan, or Andre the Giant, Austin, won't hold a candle to John Cena in the eyes of the new wrestling fans in a few years.
There is a certain patronizing, talking down to going on in this book, and then how they glaze over the monday night wars as WCW being a rival that just wasn't extreme enough to compete.
Man I'm telling'ya if this is any indication of how the new generation of fans is getting their "education" about the history of pro-wrestling, forget about Hulk Hogan, or Andre the Giant, Austin, won't hold a candle to John Cena in the eyes of the new wrestling fans in a few years.
I'm going to tell you a personal story here. I started watching wrestling around 1997. I'm 19 now. My favorite wrestler was The Rock, by a mile. This continued up till The Rock left. I watched WCW maybe twice. All I remember from WCW was seeing Booker T.
So, imagine my surprise when everybody starts making a big deal out of "Hulk Hogan" and "Ric Flair". Honestly, I had no idea who either of these wrestlers were. Even more shocked was I when the fans took Hogan over the Rock, as by that point I was a massive Rock mark.
The morale of the story here is that, at least these children are being given a crash course in wrestling history. So what if its patronizing...its for kids. You make no mention of your eight year old complaining about it. Does your eight year old really need to have a in depth knowledge of the Monday night wars to enjoy the current product?
Hell to the no. In my opinion anyway, I think its probably best if she, and other children, discover that era at their own pace, on their own interest. I still can't watch 80's and early 90's WWF, because it bores the socks off of me. Did that stop me from enjoying wrestling from 1997 to 2011? Not a damn bit.
VinnieSunshine
The lord of darkness
*facepalm*
Really! Really? Really. ITS A BOOK! As a wrestling fan growing up, I didn't know about Ric Flair and his accomplishments, I didn't know King came from Memphis, hell I didn't even know there WERE other territories. Point is...ITS A NEW GENERATION OF WRESTLING. They are not going to pack years worth of wrestling history into a kids book.
When I have kids They are going to know the whose who of the NOW wrestling...Im not going to educate them until the are old enough to appreciate it. In 15 years Cena, Punk, Orton...they all are going to be the past and a new batch of stars will rise.
As far as WCW...they were just a rival. Granted WCW had a string of months where they overtook WWE, but in the end they just couldn't compete. Trust me, as a fan going through that I would LOVE to see where WCW could be today. They could be right next to WWE or they could've very well have flattened out.
I dont see why people get worked up over what WWE puts out on print. I think that was a perfect way to sum up Chavo. Who knows, that book was probably written when Chavo was still being fairly used by WWE.
Really! Really? Really. ITS A BOOK! As a wrestling fan growing up, I didn't know about Ric Flair and his accomplishments, I didn't know King came from Memphis, hell I didn't even know there WERE other territories. Point is...ITS A NEW GENERATION OF WRESTLING. They are not going to pack years worth of wrestling history into a kids book.
When I have kids They are going to know the whose who of the NOW wrestling...Im not going to educate them until the are old enough to appreciate it. In 15 years Cena, Punk, Orton...they all are going to be the past and a new batch of stars will rise.
As far as WCW...they were just a rival. Granted WCW had a string of months where they overtook WWE, but in the end they just couldn't compete. Trust me, as a fan going through that I would LOVE to see where WCW could be today. They could be right next to WWE or they could've very well have flattened out.
I dont see why people get worked up over what WWE puts out on print. I think that was a perfect way to sum up Chavo. Who knows, that book was probably written when Chavo was still being fairly used by WWE.
If they're selling this at a book fair, it's clearly for children. Are you seriously expecting them to publish a kid's book that clearly identifies Chavo Guerrero as a midcard jobber who only found success riding Eddie's coattails and hasn't had any real success since WCW, which even then was diluted?
How about this: why not appreciate that they actually built up the Guerrero.
By the way, they did stuff like this in the Attitude Era, too. My son still has a little hardcover book from when he was a kid that tried to build credibility for Al Snow. Not to dump on Al Snow, because he was great at what he did and is a very valuable mind behind the curtain, but what he did was make ******io jokes with a mannequin's head and act like he was insane...oh, and he let you hit him with sticks and chairs. But, was the WWF going to publish a book that told kids Al Snow was a curtain-jerking jobber who only ever succeeded in getting Hardcore Holly over as a Hardcore Champion, the biggest joke of a title other than the Lightheavyweight Championship? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Only the IWC are big enough smarks that they would act condescendingly to a children's book because it's not, "in the know," enough. My teenage son doesn't even really care about WCW, and he was at least alive when it was on. Hell, the only reason that I care at all about WCW is because I read The Death of WCW novel, and that's only fascinating because it's the biggest epic fail I've ever heard of in the history of entertainment, other than the XFL.
I just think this is what's wrong with the IWC, more than anything: Nothing is ever good enough. We have to patronize (yes, we're the ones who are patronizing,), everything about WWE for marketing to kids, even when it's at a book fair made only for kids. The only time I can remember WWF/E not marketing exclusively to kids was during the Attitude Era, and even then, they were still a marketing machine that was competing with South Park for merchandising sales. They've never been anything short of that, but I still love it because it's tradition, it doesn't hide what it is (except with the Diva's,), and it's still the best wrestling company on television. ROH is only accessible to the really hardcore fans, and TNA tries to hard to access the older male demographic, while successfully stereotyping us as numb-headed sheep that will watch anything with Hulk Hogan, vulgar jokes, and boobs in it. Maybe instead of always dumping on WWE for being too, "kid-friendly," we should step back and thank them for really being the only show that's accessible to all wrestling fans. I dump on WWE sometimes, too, but there's a line. This thread is really just silly.
Finally, you're worried about kids forgetting about Hogan, Andre, Piper, Flair, etc.? Who do you think Hogan replaced? He came along and replaced Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund, and VKM essentially killed the idea of the territories and the NWA. It's just evolution. Someday, kids won't know who HBK and Triple H were, and that's okay because the older fans will. My son thinks he's a veteran because he remembers when Batista first hit it big, but he doesn't get why Bret Hart was so great. It's just succession. That's business.
TL;DR - I ranted, and we should just appreciate WWE for even being there, in the first place.
How about this: why not appreciate that they actually built up the Guerrero.
By the way, they did stuff like this in the Attitude Era, too. My son still has a little hardcover book from when he was a kid that tried to build credibility for Al Snow. Not to dump on Al Snow, because he was great at what he did and is a very valuable mind behind the curtain, but what he did was make ******io jokes with a mannequin's head and act like he was insane...oh, and he let you hit him with sticks and chairs. But, was the WWF going to publish a book that told kids Al Snow was a curtain-jerking jobber who only ever succeeded in getting Hardcore Holly over as a Hardcore Champion, the biggest joke of a title other than the Lightheavyweight Championship? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Only the IWC are big enough smarks that they would act condescendingly to a children's book because it's not, "in the know," enough. My teenage son doesn't even really care about WCW, and he was at least alive when it was on. Hell, the only reason that I care at all about WCW is because I read The Death of WCW novel, and that's only fascinating because it's the biggest epic fail I've ever heard of in the history of entertainment, other than the XFL.
I just think this is what's wrong with the IWC, more than anything: Nothing is ever good enough. We have to patronize (yes, we're the ones who are patronizing,), everything about WWE for marketing to kids, even when it's at a book fair made only for kids. The only time I can remember WWF/E not marketing exclusively to kids was during the Attitude Era, and even then, they were still a marketing machine that was competing with South Park for merchandising sales. They've never been anything short of that, but I still love it because it's tradition, it doesn't hide what it is (except with the Diva's,), and it's still the best wrestling company on television. ROH is only accessible to the really hardcore fans, and TNA tries to hard to access the older male demographic, while successfully stereotyping us as numb-headed sheep that will watch anything with Hulk Hogan, vulgar jokes, and boobs in it. Maybe instead of always dumping on WWE for being too, "kid-friendly," we should step back and thank them for really being the only show that's accessible to all wrestling fans. I dump on WWE sometimes, too, but there's a line. This thread is really just silly.
Finally, you're worried about kids forgetting about Hogan, Andre, Piper, Flair, etc.? Who do you think Hogan replaced? He came along and replaced Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund, and VKM essentially killed the idea of the territories and the NWA. It's just evolution. Someday, kids won't know who HBK and Triple H were, and that's okay because the older fans will. My son thinks he's a veteran because he remembers when Batista first hit it big, but he doesn't get why Bret Hart was so great. It's just succession. That's business.
TL;DR - I ranted, and we should just appreciate WWE for even being there, in the first place.
Remy LaCroix
Lou Thesz' Favorite Son
The only thing about this that grinds my gears is how they replace pro wrestling with "sports entertainment". It comes off as WWE propaganda being indoctrinated to future generations by trying to wipe the term pro wrestling off the face of the earth. Can someone come up with a joke similar to "Make like the WWE and get the F out!" but with the word wrestling?
RicoLen, can you post more "tripe" for us to read, plz?
RicoLen, can you post more "tripe" for us to read, plz?
LOL you guys make me laugh. The people here that read what I have to say know by now I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to pro-wrestling and am a fan of all the different eras for one reason or another, except from 2005-2009, where I just got disgusted and stopped watching altogether, and so I don't really know what happened. All I can say about that era is that when I tried to get back into it, I got bored and didn't, and with what I did see in late 2004 and early 2005 I absolutely hated. But from 2010-current I've gotten so I really like it again.
That aside, this book that is aimed at children, all things considered is pretty good. I guess I just don't know how to explain what it's like to see something I lived through and experienced first hand get explained like it was Dora the Explorer.
lol "Hell to the no." That's cute.
You're right though she doesn't HAVE to have it, but she does, and so does my 7 year old son. They were introduced to pro-wrestling through 2 movies, The Princess Bride, and Gremlins 2: The New Batch (the much less scarey and much more cartoonish of the two) not quite 2 years ago. They immediately commented on how HUGE Andre The Giant was, and I told them he was a wrestler, which meant nothing to them, and so I went on to explain that he was a fighter you used to be able to see on TV and he beat tons of people up. The next night they watched Gremlins 2: The New Batch, and The Hulkster stood up in the middle of the movie they were watching and causing a ruckus in, and he intimidated them into shutting up. My kids laughed and asked who he was, and I told them he was another fighter just like Andre the Giant who wrestled against Andre.
So the next night I showed them the main event of Wrestlemania 3, and little by little their fanhood grew. It wasn't until this past summer when they were out of school and could stay up late on Monday Nights that I finally started letting them watch Monday Night Raw, until then they got hand-picked matches I selected for them featuring Savage vs Warrior, Warrior vs Hogan, Hogan vs Slaughter, (this led to me showing them G.I.Joe featuring Sgt Slaughter) Slaughter vs Warrior, Savage vs Hogan, Savage vs Jake, Jake vs Andre, Jake vs Taker, Taker vs Warrior, Hogan vs Taker, etc.
By the time they watched the current Monday Night Raw they had a pretty strong background for kids their age. That's also why I am pretty happy with their choice of wrestlers they choose to follow too, in the form of The Miz & R-Truth, ADR, Henry, Big Show, Christian, & Sin Cara. They like John Cena well enough, but for some reason whenever I ask them about him they never say he's one of their favorites. I'd honestly be totally fine if they liked him as their favorite, but they don't, nor Orton, and I don't think they even really understand CM Punk. It comes down to a toss up between The Miz & R-Truth for them both. My son likes R-Truth the best, and my daughter likes the Miz... perhaps a little too much. heheh
The only thing about this whole thing that bugs me is the disrespect the book shows towards WCW (and them getting rid of the word "Wrestling"). And you can save the arguments, I get it, WWE isn't going to play up WCW, that'd be stupid. It's obviously just a personal issue on my part. But I just thought people might be interested in the original post, so I brought it up. That's all. Nothing to jump down my throat for. I don't think there's anyone here that wouldn't read that book though and go "Oh brother."
That aside, this book that is aimed at children, all things considered is pretty good. I guess I just don't know how to explain what it's like to see something I lived through and experienced first hand get explained like it was Dora the Explorer.
lol "Hell to the no." That's cute.
You're right though she doesn't HAVE to have it, but she does, and so does my 7 year old son. They were introduced to pro-wrestling through 2 movies, The Princess Bride, and Gremlins 2: The New Batch (the much less scarey and much more cartoonish of the two) not quite 2 years ago. They immediately commented on how HUGE Andre The Giant was, and I told them he was a wrestler, which meant nothing to them, and so I went on to explain that he was a fighter you used to be able to see on TV and he beat tons of people up. The next night they watched Gremlins 2: The New Batch, and The Hulkster stood up in the middle of the movie they were watching and causing a ruckus in, and he intimidated them into shutting up. My kids laughed and asked who he was, and I told them he was another fighter just like Andre the Giant who wrestled against Andre.
So the next night I showed them the main event of Wrestlemania 3, and little by little their fanhood grew. It wasn't until this past summer when they were out of school and could stay up late on Monday Nights that I finally started letting them watch Monday Night Raw, until then they got hand-picked matches I selected for them featuring Savage vs Warrior, Warrior vs Hogan, Hogan vs Slaughter, (this led to me showing them G.I.Joe featuring Sgt Slaughter) Slaughter vs Warrior, Savage vs Hogan, Savage vs Jake, Jake vs Andre, Jake vs Taker, Taker vs Warrior, Hogan vs Taker, etc.
By the time they watched the current Monday Night Raw they had a pretty strong background for kids their age. That's also why I am pretty happy with their choice of wrestlers they choose to follow too, in the form of The Miz & R-Truth, ADR, Henry, Big Show, Christian, & Sin Cara. They like John Cena well enough, but for some reason whenever I ask them about him they never say he's one of their favorites. I'd honestly be totally fine if they liked him as their favorite, but they don't, nor Orton, and I don't think they even really understand CM Punk. It comes down to a toss up between The Miz & R-Truth for them both. My son likes R-Truth the best, and my daughter likes the Miz... perhaps a little too much. heheh
The only thing about this whole thing that bugs me is the disrespect the book shows towards WCW (and them getting rid of the word "Wrestling"). And you can save the arguments, I get it, WWE isn't going to play up WCW, that'd be stupid. It's obviously just a personal issue on my part. But I just thought people might be interested in the original post, so I brought it up. That's all. Nothing to jump down my throat for. I don't think there's anyone here that wouldn't read that book though and go "Oh brother."
You're missing my point completely though....its not a book for adults that are in the know. It isn't a book for internet marks like you or I, or your mark children. Its a book for casual fans, telling them casual stuff. It isn't expected that an 8 year old will have all that knowledge you harped on about there. I don't have that much knowledge, to be quite frank.
The 90's might have been some big epic time for you, and you've passed your love to your children, that's great, sounds like you have a healthy bond....however, you've got to remember, many child fans have parents that couldn't give a rats ass. Mine didn't. Casual books like the one you're describing allow a child with no prior knowledge to involve themselves a bit, so when you know, they make a big deal out of Kevin Nash, they have some semblance of an idea who he is and can feel involved.
The extract you posted on the opening would be a fine way for the normal 8 year old to pick something up...hell, when I was 8, that would have still probably gone over my head, because I'd have still only have cared about The Rock.
My general gist here, to sum it up, is that the book, from what I can discern from the extract, would be fine for the casual child with a casual or devolving interest in wrestling. When someone from the 90's comes out, like Sean Waltman may well do in the future, the child might have seen a picture or a brief extract of text, and not be completely confused. WWE didn't put this book out there trying to insult your knowledge, because they assume people like you, I, and evidently your children, have better sources of information. In your case, you have the memories of watching them first hand that can be passed on, and evidently resources to be shown...but the vast majority, do not.
The 90's might have been some big epic time for you, and you've passed your love to your children, that's great, sounds like you have a healthy bond....however, you've got to remember, many child fans have parents that couldn't give a rats ass. Mine didn't. Casual books like the one you're describing allow a child with no prior knowledge to involve themselves a bit, so when you know, they make a big deal out of Kevin Nash, they have some semblance of an idea who he is and can feel involved.
The extract you posted on the opening would be a fine way for the normal 8 year old to pick something up...hell, when I was 8, that would have still probably gone over my head, because I'd have still only have cared about The Rock.
My general gist here, to sum it up, is that the book, from what I can discern from the extract, would be fine for the casual child with a casual or devolving interest in wrestling. When someone from the 90's comes out, like Sean Waltman may well do in the future, the child might have seen a picture or a brief extract of text, and not be completely confused. WWE didn't put this book out there trying to insult your knowledge, because they assume people like you, I, and evidently your children, have better sources of information. In your case, you have the memories of watching them first hand that can be passed on, and evidently resources to be shown...but the vast majority, do not.
You're missing MY point. I already said you are correct. For kids of that age it is fine, however it's certainly skewing the emphasis on the current superstars. It SHOULD do that too, but man, for current fans this kind of book is bad on many levels.
It's a weird conflict this book creates burying the old and pushing the new. And it's very patronizing.
What I was wondering is if anyone else has seen books like this and if they found that they were all more or less the same, or if some went into some good detail.
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