WWE General Complaints Thread

[SummerOfPunk]

Well, we may have 2 problems:

1) The Creative team is not "creative". They have lots of heads weekly thinking on how to improve the product with the human resources available and always present us rushed storylines, with last minute re-schedules, that don't make any sense. If they have total control of the process, they should tie all loose ends and show us that we can have a solid storyline week after week.

or...

2) The Creative Team is good, knows the correct pace to create cliffhangers but... Vince screws them up all time, for the sake of "good business". VKM is known for change the path of things on the last minute. Probably every week there's a conflict of interests, but in the end the Boss prevails...

Well, that's the only two explanations I have. We started with a fantastic "Summer of Punk" but now we have:

- The "unexplained" Kevin Nash;

- Killing a bit of the CM Punk momentum (by giving him something to complain about Vince, but when Vince was gone, everything changes, but Punk is still unhappy.);

- The lack of coerence in "unsafe working environments" (Jesus... it's wrestling... Is everybody so afraid of the Awesome Truth?)

- John Laurinaitis lack of charisma (bad promos, bad actor);

- Dropping strong storylines without explaination (Annonnymous GM and the New Nexus);

- Change the WWE Title 3 times in one month... Del Rio needed more time to be a good heel. How can someone put a guy with nearly no defeats and a good submission maneuover, to loose a title cleanly by submission that fast? IMO, they destroyed his credibility;

- VKM rushed return (very little impact near the public...Not because of the return, but the promo he cutted. Everyone was expecting that.);

 

[shitsngiggles]

Sorry but I have to say this, you are a screenwriter? Some of your sentences make almost no sense and your spelling is terrible.

If English isn't your first language I can understand.

Anyway, I can see what you are trying to say, and you are right. There shouldn't be last minute changes in any working environment, let alone something as big as live TV.

 

[xavyer]

The only problem here,as some of you pointed out,is Vince,why does he hire people to do that,and at the end is about what he wants,he should thrust his people to do their job,and just maybe things would be better,he basicly has people working hard for nothing,come up with ideas or good storylines and then Vince practicly gives them a salp in the face for doing what he wants in the end,like i said,he should just step aside and let people do their thing.......

 

[Rowdy Robby Piper]

I think the problem with the creative team is the influx of the Hollywood and/or outside writers. These people are coming from an industry that has for the most part snubbed/looked down upon professional wrestling throughout the years, and when they come into the fold they find out that it's a totally different environment. Writing a television series is one thing (especially when they have an "off season"/downtime, work within a set/specific number of episodes in a season), but to keep at it for 52 weeks I'm surprised their isn't a higher rate of turnover and/or burnout on the staff/team. Plus I'm surprised that there isn't more of a former talent presence on the staff itself (what I believe Vince Russo...maybe it was Ed Fererra...referred to as a "wrestling bubble principle" where every aspect of the writing process is done in-house without any outside influence/input).

 

[Azane]

One of the differences between a screen player and WWE, is that WWE is written and produced assuming most people think that it's real. Now in this day and age, I bet over half the people know it's scripted. One of the principles of writing reality, is that when something fumbles on a live show, they have to run with it. It's not like a high school play, where if the kid fumbles his lines, the kids can work around him and keep continuity, with reality, if something changes on the fly, it could create an awesome future.
We've seen some really ad-lib things create awesomeness, Punk's diet soda is the most recent one I remember thinking was pure genius. Do you want that stricken from history, because it wasn't scripted? Give me a break, random off-shoots are some of the best things that happen in professional wrestling. Creative's shortcomings lead to superstars.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Wait, hang on just a second here. Now I agree that last Monday's Raw wasn't a good show overall and that the general chaotic & Crash TV style booking of the show left a lot to be desired. However, c'mon now, let's not do this kind of forum where we try and crap all over the entire year of Raw. Let's not retroactively try and declare all of 2011 to be shit because of one flopped two week angle.

Even though last Monday's show was far from good overall, I do give WWE credit for trying to do something different. Let's face it, fans like me who've been around since we were toddlers have pretty much seen it all in terms of wrestling matches and storylines. In the age of the interent, pro wrestling has lost its mystique. The cloak of mystery that surrounded pro wrestling for decades has been ripped away so it's harder now than ever to come up with something "different" and "original". Wrestling's "predictability" has long been a source of complaint among the IWC. Even though the walk out angle did have a very anti-climactic finish on a show that had a lot of outright nonsense going on, at least they gave this a shot. The problem with trying something "different" or "unpredictable" however is that it might wind up falling flat on its face just as this angle did. It also didn't help when you had a lot of people already just up and decide that they didn't like it without really giving it a shot. It's hard to change someone's mind on anything when they've already got it made up long before it's actually crunch time.

As far as the Creative Team on Raw, it has to be a stressful job and one with tons of pressure. Vince McMahon is a control freak that shits a solid gold brick if something takes place that doesn't 100% match up with the vision he has. Vince feels he has to micromanage everything for some reason. The walk out was one of these ideas that sounded good on paper and did have potential, but the execution just wasn't there.

 

[CM Steel]

In two weeks on RAW in Atlanta, GA. Jim Hensons Muppets will be on RAW on holloween night to promote there newest movie. The Muppets are puppets people! They can't do anything without someone's hand up there asses! So that means we would be seeing the Muppets step inside the WWE ring or anything like that. We'll be seeing things like Kermit the frog in the backstage chopping it up with Triple H, Gonzo going loco with Zack Ryder, Miss Piggy in the diva's locker room mouthing out at the diva's, and Fozzy the bear getting punked out by the Miz or R-Truth, or even Alberto Del Rio?

I will not be watching RAW on Holloween night. I'm not even DVR'ing it. I'd rather be watching a "Holloween Havoc" themed monday night RAW instead of this! The WWE own the rights to WCW so why couldn't they do something like that in Atlanta and have the Muppets in other time where RAW doesn't really matter in storyline telling? I'm 28 years-old But I rather be out trick or treating with my baby neice than watch RAW on October 31.

Where will you be at at 9pm on Monday night?

 

[The A]

dont be so negative. its the muppets its not like its barney or somethin. muppets are legendary figures in entertainment. besides how bad could it be? worse than all of those other special guest? I think we might see some funny moments i know i wouldnt miss a chance to watch raw with the muppets as special guests. I'll be watching and so will you haha

 

[harrythem]

Bob Barker was in his 80s and the host of a cheesy as fuck game show...yet his guest host night was rather entertaining. Chances are they'll be limited to some Santino or Ryder action, a bit with the Divas or Vickie G, and that'd be your lot...Hell, Hugh Jackman was just on there and he didn't do much (although what he did he did really, really well).

So I take it that you wont even attempt to comment on anything that happens that night on Raw then, seeing as you wont even be taping it.

 

[Ry.the_Stunner]

I don't see the point in "boycotting". It's not like you're going to see something that's going to scar you for life. So what...there'll be an aspect of the show that you totally hate (10% of the show at max). That's going to stop you from watching the other 90%?

 

[Mr_billy]

The Muppets, this is a guest host I'm looking forward to. I wand HHH and Gonzo to have a huge schnoz contest, and they are absolutely hilarious. This should also boost ratings.

 

[Marv95]

Can't believe people are openly defending this with no problems. If they did this in the middle of spring, early summer or even around Christmas I could maybe understand it but not towards a ppv where it's being regarded as a big one, bigger than Wrestlemania. This childish crap has to stop.

 

[TheFixer13]

Can't believe people are openly defending this with no problems. If they did this in the middle of spring, early summer or even around Christmas I could maybe understand it but not towards a ppv where it's being regarded as a big one, bigger than Wrestlemania. This childish crap has to stop.

No PPV is bigger than Wrestlemania, none.

Maybe it is because I loved The Muppets as a kid, but I don't have a problem with this. It's all going to be backstage segments. There'll probably be 2 or 3 at most. I'm betting on a Miss Piggy/Vicki segment.

 

[The Champ]

Can't believe people are openly defending this with no problems. If they did this in the middle of spring, early summer or even around Christmas I could maybe understand it but not towards a ppv where it's being regarded as a big one, bigger than Wrestlemania. This childish crap has to stop.

Hold on a minute. Survivor Series, even this year, is nowhere NEAR as big as WrestleMania. And that's coming from someone who bought his tickets to the Garden the minute they went on sale.

Yes, it's a bigger deal than usual this year because of The Rock, but that doesn't make it WrestleMania by any means. There's nothing to say right now that it won't end up being a one match show just as SummerSlam was.

With that said, I don't see the big deal about the Muppets hosting Raw either. Sure, it will be cheesy, but it's not like they do this often anymore so putting up with it three or four times a year shouldn't be that big of a deal. Before Hugh Jackman, there hadn't been a celebrity guest host since Snooki, and that was in March. Remember that there was a time that we had them every week, so be happy with what you have now.

 

[HKnux5112]

I think WWE is doing well right now. It does have my attention and makes me "want" to watch RAW again, and see what happens next.

Can it keep going like this? Of course! They have the talent.

 

[rockyrocky11]

I was talking with one of my friends who watches wrestling casually, and he told me he honestly had no idea who the intercontinental and us champions were. That got me thinking, have the titles ever been more irrelevant. To go from Rock vs HHH Ladder match for the IC belt to well whatever you want to call what we have today.

I think Cody Rhodes is doing a great job of trying to give some prestige to the IC title again, but I feel like all the belts overall have hit such a low point.

As much as I hate Air Boom at least they are starting to make the tag titles somewhat relevant again, but when you give the straps to Otunga and McGilicuty(probably spelled wrong but it's not like I care about him) just makes the belts look meaningless.

While it seems like with some titles they are trying to give it more presitge, other titles like the hot potato WWE Championship belt is on the decline.

Correct me if I'm wrong but some of the biggest no names have won championships in the past few years, and it has compeltely killed the credibility of what the belt means. Having people like Hornswoggle win any championship while great for a day, is overall horrible for making them mean anything. They have just become accessories. Look what David Arquette did to WCW.

So do you think the titles still hold any value (obviously the WWE title will always mean something so that is more directed towards the mid level belts), and what do you see them doing to try to improve the situation if anything?

 

[conici]

As you said the Mid card belts have been really de-valued but I belive that the reigns of Dolph and Cody has really made the titles more relevant but I don't think we will go back to the days when we had Rock Vs HHH in a ladder match for the IC title but Cody and Dolph are doing a very good jobs with the titles now and I also think that Air Boom is looking really good and hopefully rejuvenating the tag team division and the titles so with the looks of thing I think the best thing to do right now is keep the titles on said champions the worst thing we can see is another mediocre IC/US title reign right now I think WWE if finally showing interest in the Mid card/Tag team division and I hope it lasts.

 

[ellax]

You know what I'm wanting to complain..? It's that Vince is way to senile to even know what is call making damn money..

His fetish and his ego matters so much that he literally screwed the whole PPV today by not just making Ryder lose to Dolph for the US Title.. and making CM Punk lost the 3rd consecutive PPV loss.. wow.. so much for his "pleasing" of fans.. obviously merchandises sales and booking are nothing compare to his fetish..

How much do you wanna bet the next contender for the US Title and winning it from Dolph is none other than his current favorite - Mason Ryan? Does Vince give a damn to the "outsiders' push"? Hell no!! He owns the company and he will only let those he loves gets the push. Period!!!

 

[Headman]

I'd like to see more story driven rivalries between the opening segment and main event. On RAW there are usually two storylines going at one time and then a bunch of filler stuff thrown in the middle. Your average episode of RAW could be broken down like this...

Triple H talks, out comes punk, out comes Cena, out comes Miz and Truth, out comes Del Rio. Main event is announced.

Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger have a match of some kind involving Air Boom, Mason Ryan or Zack Ryder.

Smackdown match.

Main event happens and the show is over.


I'd like to see a little more thought put into what goes on from top to bottom.

 

[Rick Rudes Mustache]

Please forgive what I assume will end up being a long post.

I've "trolled" these forums for a while now, seen the Attitude Era VS PG era threads. The Vince has lost it threads, etc. Yet i have not seen a "realistic thread" about the WWE. So allow me to throw one out there. WWE will never go back to the Attitude era, because of Linda McMahon. As long as she is running for Senate the WWE can not be associated with anything "bad". Nothing her opponent could use against her. So Vince has changed the product and given us the water downed mess we have now.

Yet that is not the problem. The "PG era" is not bad. We have Punk, Rock's return...THE MUPPETS! So there is room for quality showmanship. The problem lies within Vince himself. The inability to sustain stories, to hold grudges, to push down guys he believes do not fit what he wants...a yes man...a heeman look alike...a over sexed blonde bimbo.

Vince needs to hand the company over and NOT to a family member. He needs to hire guys like Jericho, Foley, Undertaker - to run the "wrastl'n" side of the business. They have lived through his mistakes, so they know what will work from a fan/entertainer stand point.

Yet this is where the "reality" steps in...WWE is a publicly held company, Vince truly does NOT own it anymore. The "people" do. The "SEC" does. If you have enough money & buy enough stock you can proxy vote. No other "wrastl'n" business has ever been so widely open to be controlled by the fans than the WWE.

If your upset with the product IWC, create a petition stating your issues, gather enough signatures to support your stance and send it to WWE headquarters. The "board" comprised of businessmen, will not ignore the paying public. Just like any publicly held company the boards ultimate allegiance lays with the stockholder.

So the question i have is where will it all end? Will the IWC & "average joe" fans realize the true power the posses & aquire stock & use their vote to exact change? Or will the WWE continue to offer programming that we all tolerate yet do not love? At which point the WWE will die. Fans will leave, there are just to many choices out their now for our entertainment dollar.

So what say you IWC? Do we act or do we sit back & continue to bemoan the product we love to hate?

 

[mikde_]

lets face it. Alot of people do enjoy WWE at the moment and it is nowhere near "dying". I hate when people say that nobody is enjoying it and what not because alot of are.

They could put out the greatest wrestling product ever seen and people will still find something to complain about. Its human nature. We see the bad before we see the good. Some of us just refuse to see the good and some of us are just happy with what we have. I am the latter.

The majority of complainers are not too clued in on the buisness and rarely understand the reasoning behind alot of decisions and just complain for the sake of it so i doubt they would have enough passion to decide to create a petition and what not.

WWE have recently realised and started to address many of the IWC' concerns and they are starting to put out a product that appeals to everyone. Granted people will still complain but there is nothing that can be done about that.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

I love WWE...have been watching it since I was a kid.

WWE is at its peak right now, better than the last few years. Have the had some hiccups? Sure. Made some questionable decisions on storylines? Sure. But I wouldn't trade it.

Not to turn this into a WWE vs TNA, but I gave TNA a try. I just cant get past their storylines and decisions. I have a friend that is complete opposite...die-hard "TNA is great" but doesn't think WWE is good right now. Its all a matter of opinion.

I dont think WWE is anywhere near dying, in fact they are growing bigger. Look at some of the stars they have built lately. Cody Rhodes who some said a few years ago that he was doomed to be future endeavored, Ziggler same thing. Swagger has made a comeback, Sin Cara (nevermind the drama with him) has become the new Mysterio as far as popularity.

Sometimes I think the IWC sees 1 wrong move WWE does and they give up hope. Let the story play out the way its supposed to, and when its over THEN you can criticize it.

General rule to everything...YOU WILL NEVER PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.

 

[VABurghman]

I've "trolled" these forums for a while now, seen the Attitude Era VS PG era threads. The Vince has lost it threads, etc. Yet i have not seen a "realistic thread" about the WWE. So allow me to throw one out there.

And this is any more "realistic" than any other thread?? The WWE in it's own (ok, add TNA in to this comment as well) is NOT realistic. So how do you make a realistic thread out of something that is admittedly fake? Take these forums and posts for what they are. People just throwing stuff out there to discuss for fun.

Wrestling in general is a dying form of entertainment. It has been for a long time. A slow dying death. The golden age is over. Wrestling really peaked in the 80's before the entertainment side of the business took over in the early 90's. The entertainment side of the business really peaked in the late 90's and has been on an up and down bubble since. Probably more on the down side now. So much focus on boring and re-ran story lines that are easily predictable. Let alone the leaks to the internet since most shows are pre-taped. Short of going to "live event" only shows and bringing some wrestling back to the business, I'm not sure it can be saved.

 

[kokoBawesome]

While I appreciate you enthusiasm, have you ever read these forums your talking about? You have a Cena forum every week where the IWC either professes their love for the guy, or calls for his retirement. You have fans that think C.M. Punk is their savior, and others that think hes a whiner....

Lets say for a second that all of the internet wrestling fans band together our collective money to buy stock, do you honestly think we would have enough of a percentage to where what we say would actually matter? Do you think that we'd become a collective majority shareholder with enough power to actually change things? Do we elect someone to sit in on the creative staff meetings and text a poll to the IWC on what they wanna see that night?

Which brings me back to our first point, we can't agree on anything!!! There will always be unhappy people that think whats going on is either too proressive, too nostalgic, too PG or too vulgar. There is no way this would fix anything.

To take this one step further, if I bought stock, protested, got somehow involved this deep enough to have some say in the product.... the thrill would be gone. I wouldn't be able to enjoy the Nexus taking over because I would have been informed out it through the grapevine somehow. I would have known about Punk's push over the summer in April. I would know about all the resent contract signings from a company memo. It would ruin all the fun of turning my brain off from reality and enjoying my two hours every Monday I can feel like I did when I was a kid.

Plus have you read some of the fantasy bookings on here? Some guy wanted The Takers final Wrestlemania match to be against Mark Calaway!! Do you really want this guy to have any say in whats going on?

 

[FlairFan2003]

I do think Linda running for senate has some influence on the pg nature of the product. Also, the inability of newer stars to reach top popularity, but how much of that is lousy booking and how much is just lack of talent ? In the end there is a lot to like about the product, particularly getting something worthwhile out of Mark Henry, evolution of CM Punk, etc. Maybe they just need some time and improvements will come.