Cmon all u wwe mark parasites , cmon wake up. This wwe is not same as it used to be until 2002. This is now just crap nothing else. But u will never see this as Vince made u all blind. A poster above said that TNA main event is stale they have AJ styles vs Angle 3 times in a month but can u say any one of them was boring. In return wwe's main events are boring like hell. They hyped up Cena vs Sheamus match for 2 weeks and when they faught they ended it up in like 2 minutes. That was crap. Now they have Orton fighting Sheamus for tittle. I mean they can easily push Kofi instead Orton and create a huge new star. Everybody knows that championship matches at Rumble are semi main event so kofi cus easily do that and that was gud way to bring momentum towards kofi before awarding him MITB this year. A poster above sd that TNA has Styles vs Angle 3 times in month, but did u even feel bore in any of the match?? No every one of them was awesome. Thats what main event is all about. In wwe look at their main events, DX and Hornswoggle fighting Jerishow and some guest host who dsnt even know the spelling of wrestling??? Hornswoggle costing Jerishow their rematch ??? hell DX is ful of crap every year. I am not a huge TNA fan and i dont watch it regularly and less than wwe. I watch wwe for The Miz and after segments are over i wud prefer to change the channel instead watching Cena, Orton or DX crap.
General WWE Complaining & PG Rating Thread
- Thread starter Slam Master
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It's very nice to see the majority of people here share my opinion of being dissatisfied. I am just so fed up seeing Hornswoggle run around with DX and acting like a complete idiot. This PG era DX has the lamest skits I've ever seen which are 10x worse when Hornswoggle is involved. It's almost painful to watch wrestling these days and I'd give anything to relive the good old attitude era.
WHhasIDEAS
New Member
I really hope the WWE sees this forum thread because I feel that everyone has great ideas for WWE. First of all on my opinion, WWE should cancel out the PG era and make more Hardcore matches, we can't always cater to the kids because they'll soon get bored of it. Like what everyone has said, it's getting really repetitive and I get bored watching the matches as the outcomes would be really predictable. We need rivalries and matches like the ones in the past when they had really epic story lines during the attitude era. WWE's got good foundation as they've still got the brightest stars in the industry and I feel they should develop on them. For e.g. what is jericho doing? They could make him a really good heel. And like CM Punk's straightedge faction? What is up with that? PG era will ruin you WWE.
MrPerfect316
Dark Match Jobber
Even the late 80s, and early to mid 90s felt more aggressive than this. I mean you'd at least see blood from time to time, you'd see massive attacks backstage, you'd see boiler room brawls, you'd see some pretty wicked things every now and then...but this, wow...i mean its about as watered down as it gets.
I mean how about when Razor beat the living hell out of Goldust on RAW, or when Crush totally decimated Savages face on raw from those railings...that was good stuff.
Or yea even the attitude era, wow...i didn't appreciate the attitude era much when it was happening but when i look back ,god how id even take that over the debacle of a product it is these days.
I mean how about when Razor beat the living hell out of Goldust on RAW, or when Crush totally decimated Savages face on raw from those railings...that was good stuff.
Or yea even the attitude era, wow...i didn't appreciate the attitude era much when it was happening but when i look back ,god how id even take that over the debacle of a product it is these days.
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Ok seriously, if this gets taken down, I don't even care...
All of you stupid marks need to stop fucking complaining!!!
All you ever do is make complaints about shit that's not happening to YOUR standards. Who the fuck cares? I know I sure as hell don't, so what makes you think Vince will? WWE is trying to put on programming that targets men, women, teenagers, and kids. They can't do that by just targetting the idiots who want to see blood and tits everywhere.
Not to mention everybody kept whining about how ECW was killing the legacy of ECW... even though the original ECW went BANKRUPT and Paul Heyman SOLD ECW TO VINCE! And finally, Vince changes the show to WWE NXT, and you fuckers complain about that to!
All you fucking losers ever do is sit there and complain, complain, complain... If you want WWE to change their ways, how about you take your lazy asses over to http://corporate.wwe.com click on the "careers" section and apply for a job as a Creative Writer.
Seriously all of you smarks need to grow up. You can't always have it your way.
WWE is doing a great job by putting on legit wrestling matches and interesting storylines. Blood and boobies are not needed to make a great wrestling event... that's what porn is for.
All of you stupid marks need to stop fucking complaining!!!
All you ever do is make complaints about shit that's not happening to YOUR standards. Who the fuck cares? I know I sure as hell don't, so what makes you think Vince will? WWE is trying to put on programming that targets men, women, teenagers, and kids. They can't do that by just targetting the idiots who want to see blood and tits everywhere.
Not to mention everybody kept whining about how ECW was killing the legacy of ECW... even though the original ECW went BANKRUPT and Paul Heyman SOLD ECW TO VINCE! And finally, Vince changes the show to WWE NXT, and you fuckers complain about that to!
All you fucking losers ever do is sit there and complain, complain, complain... If you want WWE to change their ways, how about you take your lazy asses over to http://corporate.wwe.com click on the "careers" section and apply for a job as a Creative Writer.
Seriously all of you smarks need to grow up. You can't always have it your way.
WWE is doing a great job by putting on legit wrestling matches and interesting storylines. Blood and boobies are not needed to make a great wrestling event... that's what porn is for.
Ambiguous Turd
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Are you done with your little tangent? Hopefully so.
You think your little bitchfest is going to serve as a deterrent for people to complain about WWE? There is too much of a vested interest in the show's creative direction if you have followed it for any number of yours and turning away certainly isn't easy.
As far as applying to WWE for a job, you can pretty much forget it unless you have Hollywood writing experience. Even though you could know the product inside out and have better suggestions than Hollywood writers would, WWE does not care. That is their standard practice for who they hire on the Creative team and that is pretty much that.
Not to mention, as far as the Writers go, pretty much each show gets 1 writer and an assistant is given to Michael Hayes for Smackdown. So tell me, Jackie ... do you think Brian Gewirtz, Michael Hayes, Ed Koskie, or Christopher DeJoseph are going anywhere anytime soon? Because that's pretty much all there is.
Besides any of that, none of that matters anyway. The only thing that matters is what The Audience of One says. This is a man by all accounts who is unreasonable and doesn't like listening to others. So you can have the best ideas in the world, and none of that really matters to him. His ego is a detriment to him, and he proved this to be the case in what he did to ECW. And the brand ultimately failed to live up to expectations.
So the only other alternative is for people to complain.
If you don't like the negativity, maybe you need to find a better way to deal with it ... such as ignoring it. There are far more complainers online in the IWC than there are people who seem to be happy with the direction that WWE has gone in. So you are taking up a lost cause by trying to change people's minds. The one who's approach needs to change is clearly yours.
You are the one sir, that needs to quit acting like a WWE Universe mark and learn to suck it up. That is what your hero Vince McMahon does and it doesn't seem to bother him, so maybe you should take pointers from him in how to effectively deal with it.
As far as getting upset at people who want T&A in their wrestling along with cuss words and edgy storylines, who the Fuck are you to tell people that they shouldn't want that? You WWE Universe marks are in the business of trying to be PR agents on behalf of the WWE and telling people what they should be liking ... but why? We are the customers. In customer service, the customer is the one that tells businesses what they want ... not the other way around. So people have every right to speak up.
And while we are not Vince McMahon's boss, per se, he won't get our money unless he gives us a product that interests us. We have been trying to tell him what we want in our wrestling program, and creatively he could do it. He would just have to create two different products under the WWE umbrella and that way he can increase his audience by meeting the wants of adults for one show, while meeting kids and families for another show.
However, when there are things to complain about, which are very valid criticisms, there is no reason why people shouldn't complain. Much of the negative feedback I see online is quite valid, and I couldn't agree with it more.
This is a complete WWE Shareholder mentality, because this is the mentality of someone who is more interested in WWE's corporate goals than their own personal interests as a wrestling fan.
Maybe the problem is WWE's strategy. How many other forms of entertainment out there is successful in catering to all the demographics ... children, teens, young adults, single adults, adults in families, etc? It is practically unheard of in marketing and advertising. Most forms of TV entertainment pick one key demo and they go after it, because television executives no it is damn near impossible to "be everything to everyone". It's also almost an impossibility with advertisers, as well, because advertisers want specific demos to target for their products.
So perhaps the problem is that Vince is trying a "be everything to everyone approach" that simply is not feasible or practical.
Dysturbed
Under the radar
Just as the "legacy" includes what you mentioned there it also includes plenty of positive things from a presentation standpoint that a lot of fans are fond of and that is obviously what people are referring to when they refer to the "legacy." People say "legacy", not "overall legacy". The latter would indicate that they are including the entire spectrum of it but you already know that they're not, nor do they need to because when they say that the brand tarnishes the legacy it's obvious that they're meaning that they wish that the show offered more of the good of what ECW offered and not the bad.
With that being said I do agree with you and anyone who believes that people seem to complain too much and that it comes across as if a lot of fans watch with the intention of finding every negative thing to complain about instead of watching, happening to notice certain things, and then constructively offering their opinions. I don't think that people complaining is an issue but how they go about it. Of course everyone has their own methods of posting so to each their own. For example your post in my opinion raises some good points but your tone isn't exactly welcoming to a reader. Not that you were talking to me at all but it's an observation about posters in general, possibly including myself over the years. It's the same as if someone speaks too positively about something and then they are called a mark and treated as if they are blind to WWE's faults.
That actually can apply to WWE to. It's not necessarily that certain concepts, decisions, etc are bad in people's opinions rather how they go about presenting them. That includes the whole pg thing that this thread refers to. The notion of things being toned down isn’t necessarily the problem in itself for a lot of complainers rather HOW WWE presents things under that label. I do see that some people seem to insist that blood, tits, etc are a necessity and they are not but I do understand why they feel that within the confines of PG they could still alter things a bit. That doesn’t mean that they “should” however. It’s all opinion based.
This is a bit off topic yet also fitting with what I just said concerning people’s view of how something is presented as opposed to them actually hating the concept. The “invasion” storyline got a lot of flack because Vince didn’t have enough big names. I understand why that is so I am not complaining but a lot of people questioned why WWE didn’t go a so called “better job” with the actual members of WCW that they did employ during that time period. Like I said...same thing. People may understand why WWE is pg or understand just about any decision that WWE makes yet still think that it can have a better presentation in their opinions. I don’t think that’s an unfair point though maybe the way that some people go about expressing it isn’t desirable...just like WWE’s product isn’t to them. With ECW fans may understand why WWE's version of ECW was nothing like the original yet still feel that WWE's vision of it could have been more desirable to them. Obviously people can't presume that their way of how things should be is the only right way because that's just not realistic but regardless I think that lost in the tone of some people's posts is that they're not hating on an idea in itself but how WWE goes about presenting it in what often seems to be not so good to them.
Food for thought.
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Ok but the point is, WWE is trying to give everyone what they want. They've got a hero for the young audience, who in my opinion is doing a damn good job of being a role model. They've got the women that appeal to the men, yet they keep them out of reach... ala Maryse. They've even pushed younger talent recently..... on Raw nonetheless.
Sure, WWE makes a few things that even I don't like, but instead of pick out one minor fault and blow it up like a teenage school girl with a zit, I just let it go. Seriously, Sheamus being champ isn't that big of a deal. It actually gives someone like Kofi and DiBiase a chance at gold. It gives them someone that they can beat to become champion, yet keep Orton, Cena, and other contenders as legit challengers.
And yeah, maybe WWE NXT isn't the best name for their new brand, but at least it's not "ruining the legacy" of a company that ruined the legacy of wrestling (fair trade in my book).
Well considering that WWE is a male soap opera, maybe getting a writer from Hollywood (who probably has worked on actual soaps) isn't a bad thing. I mean look at the Orton/McMahon Family rivalry. Look at the "Second coming of Jesus" that Punk is doing. Look at the "From the ancient stories" that Big Zeke has going. Those soap writers are doing a damn good job at drawing consistant ratings week in and week out.
And I realize that it's nearly impossible to get to WWE, even on Creative Writing, but seriously that's the only way that the fans who constantly bash WWE will learn that nothing can be perfect. Even ROH, as great of a promotion it is, has faults. Hell, anything made by man has its faults.
It's not a rant, it's true... Wrestling fans these days get so worked up about the littlest things and it's really not worth it. I mean nowadays they want to see a wrestler get pushed immediately, yet they bash John Cena (who also was pushed immediately). It's a double standard, and I don't think that's right for people to do.
Sure, WWE makes a few things that even I don't like, but instead of pick out one minor fault and blow it up like a teenage school girl with a zit, I just let it go. Seriously, Sheamus being champ isn't that big of a deal. It actually gives someone like Kofi and DiBiase a chance at gold. It gives them someone that they can beat to become champion, yet keep Orton, Cena, and other contenders as legit challengers.
And yeah, maybe WWE NXT isn't the best name for their new brand, but at least it's not "ruining the legacy" of a company that ruined the legacy of wrestling (fair trade in my book).
Well considering that WWE is a male soap opera, maybe getting a writer from Hollywood (who probably has worked on actual soaps) isn't a bad thing. I mean look at the Orton/McMahon Family rivalry. Look at the "Second coming of Jesus" that Punk is doing. Look at the "From the ancient stories" that Big Zeke has going. Those soap writers are doing a damn good job at drawing consistant ratings week in and week out.
And I realize that it's nearly impossible to get to WWE, even on Creative Writing, but seriously that's the only way that the fans who constantly bash WWE will learn that nothing can be perfect. Even ROH, as great of a promotion it is, has faults. Hell, anything made by man has its faults.
It's not a rant, it's true... Wrestling fans these days get so worked up about the littlest things and it's really not worth it. I mean nowadays they want to see a wrestler get pushed immediately, yet they bash John Cena (who also was pushed immediately). It's a double standard, and I don't think that's right for people to do.
Dysturbed
Under the radar
I'm in agreement with that and like the idea of Sheamus being champ. It's unconventional but I figure so what? Someone proving that they deserve something and then getting it makes perfect sense but from time to time things working the opposite and someone getting something then getting an opportunity to see that they deserve to keep it is nice change of pace. One can argue that it devalues the title but the "legacy" of the title is still fully intact because everything that has already happened is already in the books even if any specific champ over the course of time ends up underwhelming people.(speaking in general). It can also be argued that someone else "deserves" it more but historically speaking there used to be threads about Benoit, Jericho, Booker T, RVD, and many others deserving the title and more often than not, with a little to a lot of patience it does end up happening. With that in mind even if someone like Sheamus gets the title too quickly or quicker than Kofi and other guys that people say should have had it first, everyone potentially will get a chance to shine at some point.
That's definitely something that I see as an issue. Sometimes the second that someone debuts people start questioning what sort of future they have. When a tag team debuts (and I realize that most tag teams seem somewhat half assed compared to years ago) it is immediately questioned how fast they will break up, who will be the bigger star of the two, etc. I think that attention spans are extremely short these days but also believe that fans have been conditioned to expect things to happen that way since that's actually what seems to happen.
Crippler CrossFace
Occasional Pre-Show
This thread is not what you think it's about. We all know that the WWE is PG now and there is nothing we can do about it. However I think that this is only temporary. Clearly this whole PG era is meant to bring in the young fans. Mission Accomplished.
I think that this was strategic and will eventually mature with the audience. By making the WWE watchable for the younger audience they have secured a fanbase for several years. When the kids get older they won't want to watch a product that is PG anymore. So as the fanbase matures the WWE will raise their rating again to suit the audience. Making it cyclical and eventually maybe 20 or so years down the road will go back to PG to regain the young fans.
Anyone agree with me.
I think that this was strategic and will eventually mature with the audience. By making the WWE watchable for the younger audience they have secured a fanbase for several years. When the kids get older they won't want to watch a product that is PG anymore. So as the fanbase matures the WWE will raise their rating again to suit the audience. Making it cyclical and eventually maybe 20 or so years down the road will go back to PG to regain the young fans.
Anyone agree with me.
''The Icon'' Chris
Dark Match Jobber
The WWE going PG was like going back to the dark ages. When I started watching in 1991 it was a child friendly product, but I was kid so I didn't care. Then we had The Attitude Era and everything changed. Wrestling went from a kiddy show, to a much more edgy show that adults could watch and not feel embarassed by. But now the WWE has gone back to those kiddy ways, and made wrestling a joke again in the eyes of some people.
Some of the stuff the WWE did in 2009 literally made me cringe because it was so lame. Who can forget the episode of ECW where they kept saying ''SMURF'' instead of a profanity, because as Shelton Benjamin put it ''this is a PG show''. And don't get me started on ''Little People's Court''.
The only fair thing for Vince to do would be to have RAW go back to being more adult orientated, and keep Smackdown as a family show. But I doubt he'll do anything like that as long as all the kids are begging their parents to buy them John Cena merchandise.
Some of the stuff the WWE did in 2009 literally made me cringe because it was so lame. Who can forget the episode of ECW where they kept saying ''SMURF'' instead of a profanity, because as Shelton Benjamin put it ''this is a PG show''. And don't get me started on ''Little People's Court''.
The only fair thing for Vince to do would be to have RAW go back to being more adult orientated, and keep Smackdown as a family show. But I doubt he'll do anything like that as long as all the kids are begging their parents to buy them John Cena merchandise.
psykohurricane
Championship Contender
Personally, i'm really happy about the PG rating stuff because outside if the stuff went they stop the match went somebody is bleeding, it's pretty much what i grew up watching as a kid. The only different between the Hogan era and this era is the number of PPV which mean the lack of build-up for the main feuds. But in every era, you had a lot of the same match going on. In the Hogan era, it was easier to camoflage that fact because you only had four PPV by the end of the 80's. But It was always the same matches going on, it was always Hogan vs the main villains at the time. During the new gereration era, how many time did we get Bret vs Shawn or Diesel vs bret or Diesel vs Razor. You had your core main event guys and the rotated who was in the main event. During The attitude era, you had Austin vs Mcmahon, You had the horrible series of match between The Rock and HHH which pretty much happen at every PPV'S for the better part of a year. Taker was wrestling Mankind and Kane on a regular bases. So having the same match on a regualr isn't new, it just something that's became more evident to the some of the wrestling fan since the WWE doesn't tend to you guys anymore and are more in trying to get new fans that will stay fans for along time after we decide to stop watching. Kids are the future of the WWE just like some of us was when we started watching wrestling and personally, i rather see 2 guys tell a story in the ring that isn'T complicated to follow then crash TV like TNA is doing right now. So personally the only thing that bug me about this new era is when they stop the match to tend to a wrestler that is bleeding but outside of that, i actually love what going on right now because it bring me back to a time where wrestling was simple to follow and i didn'T have to bring a notepad to understand what was going on.
dionlyone18
Pre-Show Stalwart
i have honestly been looking for a thread like this..first off let me ask..who runs wwe? Vince..who is vince? is he a taco vendor turned wrestling promoter? nooo! he has it in his blood.
I said that to say this vince isnt some Johnny come lately who just came out of no where to run a billion dollar company...so my point is..if he made the wwe pg and kid friendly..its for a reason...Looke in the thirty years..thats right thirty years vince has been doing this gig...i can count on both hands how many times he failed..but i need millions of apendages to count his successes. Look i loved the atitude era as much as the next guy but you gotta remember..it was just that..an era! its over..we move on. belive it or not this is the wwe most profitable times..now i do belive the guest host hornswaggle and a few things now are a bit stale..but like i said vince doesnt do this as a part time job he knows what hes doing. i bet he had a lot of nay sayers when he satrted wrestlemaina..people said he wouldnt make it..but look at it now..almost as big as the super bowl.believe it or not vince didnt want to do a atitude era but when dubya c dubya was killing them in the rating for over a year they had to make a change.if you remember wwe used to be like this before the atitude era so its not like this is the first time theyve been pg.so do i entirely agree with th pg era...no..who does..do i trust in vinces judgement..most def...will the pg era end..probably so..not anytime soon. like i said..its just an era..itll pass and they be a new era where people can complian about..every era people complain about..ill give you an example
Golden Era- accused steriods...okay maybe some where using them but this almost killed the wwe
Atitude Era- Where do i begin..to edgy..not safe for kids...objectifiy women...sexual inneundos..nudity..cussing
Post atitude Era-Katie Vick..look it up....Brand extensions people complianed about it being to stale seeing the same people on the same show
PG Era- not edgy enough..no nudity..no crotch chops..no strip pokers..no cussing.no naked women...
evry era there that group of people who complian about the product they see...vince cant please everyone....i know i wouldnt trust him with my life but i do trust his judgement
I said that to say this vince isnt some Johnny come lately who just came out of no where to run a billion dollar company...so my point is..if he made the wwe pg and kid friendly..its for a reason...Looke in the thirty years..thats right thirty years vince has been doing this gig...i can count on both hands how many times he failed..but i need millions of apendages to count his successes. Look i loved the atitude era as much as the next guy but you gotta remember..it was just that..an era! its over..we move on. belive it or not this is the wwe most profitable times..now i do belive the guest host hornswaggle and a few things now are a bit stale..but like i said vince doesnt do this as a part time job he knows what hes doing. i bet he had a lot of nay sayers when he satrted wrestlemaina..people said he wouldnt make it..but look at it now..almost as big as the super bowl.believe it or not vince didnt want to do a atitude era but when dubya c dubya was killing them in the rating for over a year they had to make a change.if you remember wwe used to be like this before the atitude era so its not like this is the first time theyve been pg.so do i entirely agree with th pg era...no..who does..do i trust in vinces judgement..most def...will the pg era end..probably so..not anytime soon. like i said..its just an era..itll pass and they be a new era where people can complian about..every era people complain about..ill give you an example
Golden Era- accused steriods...okay maybe some where using them but this almost killed the wwe
Atitude Era- Where do i begin..to edgy..not safe for kids...objectifiy women...sexual inneundos..nudity..cussing
Post atitude Era-Katie Vick..look it up....Brand extensions people complianed about it being to stale seeing the same people on the same show
PG Era- not edgy enough..no nudity..no crotch chops..no strip pokers..no cussing.no naked women...
evry era there that group of people who complian about the product they see...vince cant please everyone....i know i wouldnt trust him with my life but i do trust his judgement
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
The WWE's PG-era seems to really divide a lot todays fans (mostly young vs. old/older). Some are for it, others against it.
Personally, I don't like it. I think it has taken away from the "edge" that, IMO, made the late 90's so great, whether that was in WCW or WWF. I believe it will last another 3 to 4 years, at least. Kids make up a lot of WWE's audience, and with merchandise sales through the roof, they can't afford to jump to more adult programming. But eventually, these kids will grow up, much like we did.
And that is where the real question lies. When these kids become teenagers, will they still like the current PG-rated content? Or will they be looking for something with a little more edge? And if that audience does want a more adult-oriented product, how long, from now, will it be before we see that kind of change?
Just give some opinions based on the questions asked. Be specific. Don't get lazy on me!
Personally, I don't like it. I think it has taken away from the "edge" that, IMO, made the late 90's so great, whether that was in WCW or WWF. I believe it will last another 3 to 4 years, at least. Kids make up a lot of WWE's audience, and with merchandise sales through the roof, they can't afford to jump to more adult programming. But eventually, these kids will grow up, much like we did.
And that is where the real question lies. When these kids become teenagers, will they still like the current PG-rated content? Or will they be looking for something with a little more edge? And if that audience does want a more adult-oriented product, how long, from now, will it be before we see that kind of change?
Just give some opinions based on the questions asked. Be specific. Don't get lazy on me!
Yeah I agree with you. I am not happy with the New WWE rating. I have been watching old dvd's from the attitude era and I miss it so much. That was when the sport was at the top of ladder. For us older fans, if the PG rating sticks around for longer than we like then then I think a lot of the mature WWE fan base will find other things to watch that accommodate with what we want to see. Many have already turned to Mixed Martial Arts and it is getting more and more popular as time goes on, because of the decline of excitement coming from WWE.
The kids who like the PG rating as it is now will get older and more mature and want to watch things that teenagers want to see, not what little kids want to see. And they will turn away from the WWE to other things.
I will always watch WWE, but I am a huge UFC fan these days and who's to say i'm not the only one.
I sure hope they make the change and they do it soon, or they're gonna lose the "real" fans. The people who made it so popular in the late 90s.
The kids who like the PG rating as it is now will get older and more mature and want to watch things that teenagers want to see, not what little kids want to see. And they will turn away from the WWE to other things.
I will always watch WWE, but I am a huge UFC fan these days and who's to say i'm not the only one.
I sure hope they make the change and they do it soon, or they're gonna lose the "real" fans. The people who made it so popular in the late 90s.
Fire Marshall Bill
Let me show ya somethin!!!
If the Attitude Era was how the WWE combatted WCW and won, wouldn't that be the best way to go? The WCW was killing the WWE and if it weren't for a multitude of reasons they might have succeeded. I'm not saying that the WWE isn't making money right now, but do they really think the PG era is a long term investment? Children grow up and if you think someone like John Cena is going to keep most young teenagers' attention you're mistaken. I feel they're appealing to a larger audience if they keep it more Attitude era or a mixture of the 2. That way you have a way to draw in an older crowd, starting with teenagers. Cuz really, they're only appealing right now to children, their parents who encourage their children to watch, and loyal fans. The thing is, how long until the loyal fans begin to question their loyalty?
The WWE continually pushes the envelope of consumer stupidity. And we, the masses, continue to eat it up, never actually holding the WWE accountable for their actions. Their incomprehensible and comprehensive story lines, their continual decisions to inexplicably blend kayfabe with admitted fiction, their marketing machine and desire for a .4 increase in ratings that has brought in guest hosts that do not even know the names of major PPV's. And yet, we continue to watch, continue to support and continue to put our hard earned money into a product that makes less sense then a soap opera.
The real tipping point for me occurred at this years Elimination Chamber PPV. Shawn Michaels climbed into the cage and superkicked 'Taker in order to face him at Wrestlemania. Great. Except there was only ONE problem. By doing this, he allowed Jericho to win the title. For all of the short-term memory people in the audience, let me remind you why this makes absolutely no sense. In 2008, Michaels and Jericho had an amazing feud, feud of the year, whatever you want to call it. Where Jericho nearly "ended" Michaels career and punched Shawn's wife in the face. Yet, now, Shawn helped Jericho win the championship. Wow, great booking WWE.
Next, the WWE continues to blend kayfabe with reality. This only lowers the product of the WWE and we as a fan base continue to eat it up. The WWE will put pictures of Daniel Byran (that's annoying to say) with bruises on his abs and video of Cena getting surgery, but will also fake Bret Hart tearing his knee out. The WWE, by allowing little glimpses into the real sport, allows fans (and wrestlzone.com) to believe that Morrison actually broke his ankle in 3 places due to a single tweet. By mixing this kayfabe and reality, the WWE is again playing off the perceived stupidity of the common fan. And, in this case, they were right.
Next, the Raw guest host concept. Anyone who does not realize that this is merely a marketing ploy by the WWE is letting their own stupidity get the better of them. These hosts look so unbelievably disinterested that it's almost funny. The host comes on for one segment, in some cases taped (thanks Shatner) and then leaves. In the best case, they are there for 3 segments and in the worst case they completely disrespect the brand by calling the PPV the wrong name. And yet, the fans, feeding off the WWE's belief that we are stupid, will tune in to watch what a guest host will do.
My plea to all fans (myself include) is to smarten up a bit. This isn't a call out for more smarks in the world. But, if something just doesn't make sense, DON'T BUY INTO IT. It only perpetuates the belief by the WWE that they can get away with anything. This devaluation of the fan is only allowing the product to get worse and worse. So, WZ community, do you agree with me? Is the WWE playing off of our stupidity or am I taking this a bit too far?
The real tipping point for me occurred at this years Elimination Chamber PPV. Shawn Michaels climbed into the cage and superkicked 'Taker in order to face him at Wrestlemania. Great. Except there was only ONE problem. By doing this, he allowed Jericho to win the title. For all of the short-term memory people in the audience, let me remind you why this makes absolutely no sense. In 2008, Michaels and Jericho had an amazing feud, feud of the year, whatever you want to call it. Where Jericho nearly "ended" Michaels career and punched Shawn's wife in the face. Yet, now, Shawn helped Jericho win the championship. Wow, great booking WWE.
Next, the WWE continues to blend kayfabe with reality. This only lowers the product of the WWE and we as a fan base continue to eat it up. The WWE will put pictures of Daniel Byran (that's annoying to say) with bruises on his abs and video of Cena getting surgery, but will also fake Bret Hart tearing his knee out. The WWE, by allowing little glimpses into the real sport, allows fans (and wrestlzone.com) to believe that Morrison actually broke his ankle in 3 places due to a single tweet. By mixing this kayfabe and reality, the WWE is again playing off the perceived stupidity of the common fan. And, in this case, they were right.
Next, the Raw guest host concept. Anyone who does not realize that this is merely a marketing ploy by the WWE is letting their own stupidity get the better of them. These hosts look so unbelievably disinterested that it's almost funny. The host comes on for one segment, in some cases taped (thanks Shatner) and then leaves. In the best case, they are there for 3 segments and in the worst case they completely disrespect the brand by calling the PPV the wrong name. And yet, the fans, feeding off the WWE's belief that we are stupid, will tune in to watch what a guest host will do.
My plea to all fans (myself include) is to smarten up a bit. This isn't a call out for more smarks in the world. But, if something just doesn't make sense, DON'T BUY INTO IT. It only perpetuates the belief by the WWE that they can get away with anything. This devaluation of the fan is only allowing the product to get worse and worse. So, WZ community, do you agree with me? Is the WWE playing off of our stupidity or am I taking this a bit too far?
Fire Marshall Bill
Let me show ya somethin!!!
Well spiegs, I see where you're coming from but you have to understand that ALL businesses, at some point or another, have ploys to play off their consumers stupidity. It's smart business. The best example that I can think of off the top of my head is car companies. Right now during these crappy times you'll notice most companies advertise "good gas mileage." Specifically they love to advertise their hybrid cars because they get upwards of 40mpg. But they don't mention to the consumer that it costs $6,000 more to get the hybrid, and that's the bare model. Yeah, $6,000 can be made up in savings over the life of the car, but they also bank on the fact that most people don't hold on to their cars long enough to make up that money. They fall for another ploy by the car company to trade in their car for a different one. That's just one. I guarantee you many other people on here could think of even better examples.
However, you did make some great examples. Jericho put Michaels' face into a flat screen TV in 08 and now he's helping him win the title? I'd almost say oversight, but since Edge is back they just simply looked past it so Jericho and Edge could have a feud for the title.
With the injuries I always assumed people would be smart enough to distinguish real vs plotlined. But I learned yesterday that people ACTUALLY CALLED HOSPITALS TO SEE IF BRET HART WAS OK. So yeah, you're not gonna get past the stupidity of some of the fans, but can you really blame the WWE for that?
All there really is to say about the guest host is that it's getting stale and they're less and less involved. At first they were really involved but now we've gotten to the point where it's lost its charm and it's going away anyways. The people who they're picking now are just random people they can think of and don't really give a crap anyways. Fans still eat it up though because they're "celebrities" and they are a part of Raw. It's like throwing a shiny object in front of a baby. It doesn't matter what it is, it's a baby so it'll be interested.
In the end, you're not gonna get rid of the fans who are stupid enough to believe some of the things that the WWE throws at them. The WWE counts on that. There's multitudes of storylines that can be picked apart because of previous storylines but the WWE knows the average fan will eat it up because that's how business works.
However, you did make some great examples. Jericho put Michaels' face into a flat screen TV in 08 and now he's helping him win the title? I'd almost say oversight, but since Edge is back they just simply looked past it so Jericho and Edge could have a feud for the title.
With the injuries I always assumed people would be smart enough to distinguish real vs plotlined. But I learned yesterday that people ACTUALLY CALLED HOSPITALS TO SEE IF BRET HART WAS OK. So yeah, you're not gonna get past the stupidity of some of the fans, but can you really blame the WWE for that?
All there really is to say about the guest host is that it's getting stale and they're less and less involved. At first they were really involved but now we've gotten to the point where it's lost its charm and it's going away anyways. The people who they're picking now are just random people they can think of and don't really give a crap anyways. Fans still eat it up though because they're "celebrities" and they are a part of Raw. It's like throwing a shiny object in front of a baby. It doesn't matter what it is, it's a baby so it'll be interested.
In the end, you're not gonna get rid of the fans who are stupid enough to believe some of the things that the WWE throws at them. The WWE counts on that. There's multitudes of storylines that can be picked apart because of previous storylines but the WWE knows the average fan will eat it up because that's how business works.
dude_d_dude
The Showstopper
YOU my good man are a genius.
If you saw RAW last Monday I'm sure you heard about the "Bull Riding" segment that was ordered by our great GM's "Jewel" and some random cowboy.
It was downright embarrassing.
The day the WWE stops wiping blood off their wrestlers is the day they'll start to interest me again.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Why are people still bitching about the bull-riding segment? It was a good segment in the fact that it got to show off the two guest hosts and it showed the brilliance of Big Show as a comedy heel. The segment was only around ten minutes and long and it did not take away from the show. Nobody got hurt by it unless you're sad you didn't see Primo job in those ten minutes. Everybody complained about Hornswoggle having a match every week and that stopped and now people are complaining about ten-minute segments that did not take up any wrestler's time.
dude_d_dude
The Showstopper
Well for me personally, I don't tune into a wrestling program to watch people (even hot divas) ride a mechanical bull. That had absolutely no point to it.
While Big Show CAN be a good comedy heel, I for one was not laughing when his fat ass hit the floor (as ANYONE could've seen coming), I'm pretty sure the only one's laughing were kids.
And hey come on, you're telling me you WEREN'T upset after seeing Hornswoggle beat Chavo for the 50000th time?
We're all complaining because this Guest Host stuff should be interesting, not a time-waster like it's been recently.
Arkham Noir
With black birds following me
Beleive it or not this thread isn't bitching and moaning about the PG rating.What i'm looking to do here is shut up those who still whine about "being tired of the PG rating". I got to thinking about this and I really belive that a good portion of people need to pull their heads out of their ass.Stop whining about "well these promos are lame ", did any of you stop to think of the coanies image as a whole? Two and a half years ago a professional wrestler murdered his wife and son, this brought MASSIVE amonts of negative attention to the buisness. The steroid inquiries that followed also brought some serious bad press. Going PG has provided the WWE with an oppurtunity to reshape their public image, ans it really needed it. And besides, being PG really doesn't make the compsny all that worse, there are still incredible stoy lines being produced. You've got to take the good with the bad.
So in closing I want to say that for those of you who still believe that WWE should nix it's PG rating for those of you behind your computer screens, you need to stop being so damn selfish, think about the company as a whole, because if Vince started focuing the product based on the internet douches tastes, then not only would the company find it's self bankrupt, but the buisness you all claim to love so much would die, plain and simple. The WWE has done good to clean up their image and I for one am proud to say that I love that sport. The foul language and overly sex charged stuff doesn't need to have it's place in wrestling. So just grow a pair and realize the buisness is alot bigger than you.
So in closing I want to say that for those of you who still believe that WWE should nix it's PG rating for those of you behind your computer screens, you need to stop being so damn selfish, think about the company as a whole, because if Vince started focuing the product based on the internet douches tastes, then not only would the company find it's self bankrupt, but the buisness you all claim to love so much would die, plain and simple. The WWE has done good to clean up their image and I for one am proud to say that I love that sport. The foul language and overly sex charged stuff doesn't need to have it's place in wrestling. So just grow a pair and realize the buisness is alot bigger than you.
Undertaker the 5th
Graveyard Punk
I don't really care much about the rating of the show as long as they have good matches. That is essentially what keeps the business running, not the PG rating. I will agree though, it was better when it was PG-14. That doesn't mean I'm whining though, it's just a viewpoint. I think the PG rating has actually helped them like you said. I think they have been garnering more positive attention and John Cena is becoming some what famous thanks to that. I think he would be a lot more famous if it wasn't PG though.
Bottom line is it doesn't matter if its PG or PG-14 the show will lose viewers if they showcase boring and bad wrestling matches.
Bottom line is it doesn't matter if its PG or PG-14 the show will lose viewers if they showcase boring and bad wrestling matches.
Jeffingb3oh3
Dark Match Winner
The "E" is doing this for some really good reasonable reasons. They want to make sure that they keep their fans, but they also want to make sure that their shows are drawing in families to, because esestinally the kids that watch Raw and Smackdown are going to grow up, and if they don't have any good things to hear about from their parents about wrestling, than during the next generation nobody is going to want to watch wrestling, so that would mean that the business that we all know and love today would be shut down for good. They also have the most people watching WWE right now that they have had in a long time, so obviously they are still able to draw a huge fan-base in. If you don't like watching WWE, than don't watch it. It's as simple as that.
There were better storylines in the Attitude Era and it WAS better and that's just simply fact and the ratings proved that there's no need to argue The Monday Night Wars/Attitude Era, best time in wrestling, biggest peak during conflict
Anyway you never ever have it like it use to be where there were lower card matches on PPVs that mattered and didnt need a title because the storyline made it important. You dont see that anymore, but back then nearly every match had a pre-match highlight video and story behind it.
It wasnt all entertainment, most matches back then went on way longer than today's. Today's wrestling is great yes, but the WWE really has become too childish in certain things it does.
If South Park went PG what the hell would that look like?
The sad thing is cartoons are more edgier than WWE, the looney tunes can do more outrageous and questionable stuff than WWE
And dont even get me started on Disney, you can go look that up for yourself
Kid friendly my ass
Anyway you never ever have it like it use to be where there were lower card matches on PPVs that mattered and didnt need a title because the storyline made it important. You dont see that anymore, but back then nearly every match had a pre-match highlight video and story behind it.
It wasnt all entertainment, most matches back then went on way longer than today's. Today's wrestling is great yes, but the WWE really has become too childish in certain things it does.
If South Park went PG what the hell would that look like?
The sad thing is cartoons are more edgier than WWE, the looney tunes can do more outrageous and questionable stuff than WWE
And dont even get me started on Disney, you can go look that up for yourself
Kid friendly my ass