I, honestly, feel bad for John. He is the most dedicated superstar in the ring and out. He does a whole of a hell more than anyone else for that company and for everyone else. For those douchebags to chant "We all hate you"...that's just low, that was uncalled for, and sickening. You know John had to feel horrible hearing that from "fans" of the WWE.
**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)
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amodernphoenix
Occasional Pre-Show
Yeah, I was shocked that they went that far. As a face getting all the heat he's gotten, it's got to have been hard to begin with. Then the WWE sells those shirts that say Cena Sucks and now "We all hate you.... we all hate you.... we all hate you....". That's a lot to put a guy through, wrestling or not.
People know it's a show, he's playing a part and to say something like that to him at a personal level was off the charts uncalled for, in my opinion.
People know it's a show, he's playing a part and to say something like that to him at a personal level was off the charts uncalled for, in my opinion.
ForzaItalia
Layeth The Smackdown!
Nope, that ending of the segment basically guaranteed that Cena will not be going heel anytime soon. If anything, this feud with Kane/Cena/Ryder was developed to give people a reason to hate Cena now other than him being SuperCena. At least Zack Ryder is relevant again and was on TV. But yeah, Cena will not turn heel anytime soon and whatever WWE tries, all the fans who have reached puberty will continue to hate Cena no matter how much they try. And if Cena does win at Wrestlemania 28, I expect the aftermath chants from the crowd to be very non-PG. Either way, Cena will continue to be this "controversial character" Vince likes to call him and they wll never acknowledge the real reason why we all hate Cena, which is that we have are sick of the Fruity Pebble gimmick and him being a stale, PG suck up to the crowd. They are creating lame excuses for us to hate Cena. There was never meant to be any character change or heel turn, only to embrace the fact that half the crowd likes Cena and the other half hates, which we have all known for the past 6 years!
P.S Where the hell is the Funkasaurus!? I need my weekly fix of the Funkettes!
P.S Where the hell is the Funkasaurus!? I need my weekly fix of the Funkettes!
The bad writing is what makes it so great. Between Kane going into full blown cartoon villainy stealing an ambulance while dressed up in his Kane suit and Zack Ryder's Dukes of Hazzard style wheel chair jump I don't know whether to shit or go blind from laughing so hard. I also really got a kick out of Cena's constipation face when that guy tried to inteview him a couple weeks ago.
DeathJester
Dark Match Jobber
Chanting "we all hate you" is uncalled for? 
That is exactly the kind of crowd energy that has been missing from the WWE since the PG era started. We all know this is an act and that Cena is playing a character. I respect Cena for the work he puts in the ring. I would be glad to meet him and shake his hand no problem. But as a character I'm tired of seeing the SuperCena plot armor so I'm going to jeer at him in the arena whenever I get the chance.
The crowd tonight was excellent, which the WWE needs badly since Cole and King are doing an awful job calling the matches. Orton lands a top rope DDT on Big Show? Cole barely mentions the setup and casually calls it a monster DDT. Hype dead. But when Orton / Show botch the RKO and the crowd chants "YOU F*KED UP!" over the broadcast? Hype restored.
That is exactly the kind of crowd energy that has been missing from the WWE since the PG era started. We all know this is an act and that Cena is playing a character. I respect Cena for the work he puts in the ring. I would be glad to meet him and shake his hand no problem. But as a character I'm tired of seeing the SuperCena plot armor so I'm going to jeer at him in the arena whenever I get the chance.
The crowd tonight was excellent, which the WWE needs badly since Cole and King are doing an awful job calling the matches. Orton lands a top rope DDT on Big Show? Cole barely mentions the setup and casually calls it a monster DDT. Hype dead. But when Orton / Show botch the RKO and the crowd chants "YOU F*KED UP!" over the broadcast? Hype restored.
I agree too many times WWE crowds are passive sheep with no real emotion or any independent thought. They cheer or boo as if they have an applause sign like a tv studio audience. And it's always as if on cue, boo heel cheer face wash rinse repeat.
Say what you will about "What?!" and the dueling chants in indy feds or the stuff the original ECW crowds would say but at least those people sound like they're having fun and enjoying themselves instead of a bunch of trained seals clapping for a fish.
Yes, since Eve and Ryder got involved the feud has become very cartoonish. Kane kidnapping Eve in an ambulance and Cena telling Eve to just open the door and get out. Stalking Ryder brushing his teeth. Changing car tires. Cena with his ridiculous angry face.
I laughed when Kane said after this Sunday Cena will be out of action until Wrestlemania. So Kane only plans on injuring him for 6 weeks.
Their has been so much unintentional comedy during this angle. It has been hilarious to watch.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Never believe these audience reactions are spontaneous. WWE doesn't leave these things to chance; they orchestrate it by the use of "claques."
Claques are groups of people hired by the organization putting on the show. They are placed in strategic locations in the audience and have cues as to when and what to chant. Yes, people are sheep who want only to follow others, but in a crowd of 15,000 people, it would take more than just coincidence to get them chanting "We all hate you" in such timely fashion.
Claques came to being during Vaudeville, when a whole variety of acts appeared on the stage and the audience often didn't know when to applaud. Claques led the way then.....and they apparently still do.
During Hulk Hogan's induction speech when he went into the WWE Hall of Fame, anyone who thinks the chant: "One more match!" originated spontaneously knows nothing about crowd dynamics and probably still believes in the tooth fairy (and I'm not talking about Dwayne Johnson, either).
It was claques that started the chant against Cena last night.....and you'd better believe he knew it was coming.
I suppose that's possible, but there are two problems with your post. First, I've never been paid to go to a show, but I've been to shows where my group was the one starting the chant. And I know my group wasn't paid either. Second, anyone the WWE pays to start a chant that a couple of rowdy teenagers or drunk college kids will start for free, is double the money loss for the WWE since they have to pay the people to start the chant AND lose out on money for tickets to the show.
I'm not saying that's not what happens, but at the same time, I'm saying I don't know if I believe that's what happened last night. Cena's very good at playing off the crowd, and if he hears a couple of the aforementioned people starting a chant he knows works for his promo, he'll stop and encourage the chant. I'm far more inclined to believe what happened last night is just good promo work by Cena, not the WWE taking double the financial losses for 5 minutes worth of work.
shitsngiggles
Pre-Show Stalwart
True in some cases probably, but when you hear football (soccer) fans singing, it is because they are passionate for the team, they are able to sing complex (for loss of a better word) songs in unison.
Chanting "you sold out" "you suck" "we all hate you" is a pretty damn easy thing for an audience to get involved in.
The Cena haters were present, the story played out and Cena was made to look bad, the crowd saw this and they reacted with a pretty easy to follow chant directed at him that was probably started by a Cena hater or group of Cena haters, which definately exist without being "bought" and "installed" into the stadium.
I didn't know where to post this so I'll put it here. Cena shouldn't have the belt going into Mania. He's stale. He needs a heel turn. It's what business is for. He doesn't need another f'n title reign. Newsflash Vince! Another title reign isn't going to make Cena popular. If anything it will cause MORE hatred towards Cena. Eventually these little kiddies you are marketing to are going to be bullied in school and outside of school into hating Cena. Then what? THEN you'll turn him?
Hogan got stale- He turned heel
Rock got stale- He turned heel
Austin got stale- He turned heel
Jericho got stale- He turned heel
Brock Lesnar- got stale- turned heel
People get over when they are heels. Or they re-invent themselves
CM Punk- Heel yet look at him now. That chant on Raw was insane.
R-Truth went heel and came back. He's even getting pops now.
Austins heel turn led to an eventual rebirth as an awesome face and got us that infamous "WHAT" chant
Kurt Angle- Solid heel, eventually turned amazing face.
If Vince wasn't such a p*ssy and only worried about his bottom dollar he would turn Cena. It's like a baseball team being afraid to trade players because they are worried about losing the fan base. What they don't know is they may actually INCREASE the fan base by turning someone heel/trading players. But the 900 year old Vinnie Mac and his suck-his-load-down board of directors/executives INCLUDING HHH whom I wouldn't doubt he has a very "hands on" relationship with are so focused on money money money.
Sorry for the rant but I just finished rewatching RAW from last night and I gotta say. 3 things stood out in my mind
1.Eve Torres...dumbest investment WWE could have ever made. She can't act, she can't wrestle. Who is this b*tch blowing in the back to keep her job!?
2. Ryder shouldn't have entered the ring. The fact that he lunged back the way he did when Cena went to punch him..yeah. Kills the angle faster than Vickie's shriek kills boners
3. Cena has to lose the Ambulance Match. If he doesn't the push of Kane is finished and he might as well retire.
Hogan got stale- He turned heel
Rock got stale- He turned heel
Austin got stale- He turned heel
Jericho got stale- He turned heel
Brock Lesnar- got stale- turned heel
People get over when they are heels. Or they re-invent themselves
CM Punk- Heel yet look at him now. That chant on Raw was insane.
R-Truth went heel and came back. He's even getting pops now.
Austins heel turn led to an eventual rebirth as an awesome face and got us that infamous "WHAT" chant
Kurt Angle- Solid heel, eventually turned amazing face.
If Vince wasn't such a p*ssy and only worried about his bottom dollar he would turn Cena. It's like a baseball team being afraid to trade players because they are worried about losing the fan base. What they don't know is they may actually INCREASE the fan base by turning someone heel/trading players. But the 900 year old Vinnie Mac and his suck-his-load-down board of directors/executives INCLUDING HHH whom I wouldn't doubt he has a very "hands on" relationship with are so focused on money money money.
Sorry for the rant but I just finished rewatching RAW from last night and I gotta say. 3 things stood out in my mind
1.Eve Torres...dumbest investment WWE could have ever made. She can't act, she can't wrestle. Who is this b*tch blowing in the back to keep her job!?
2. Ryder shouldn't have entered the ring. The fact that he lunged back the way he did when Cena went to punch him..yeah. Kills the angle faster than Vickie's shriek kills boners
3. Cena has to lose the Ambulance Match. If he doesn't the push of Kane is finished and he might as well retire.
KnowMyRole-ShutYourMouth
Occasional Pre-Show
I dunno man. I'm pretty sure he's gonna win the belt at the Elimination Chamber. He's gonna beat Kane in the Ambulance Match to become the #1 Contender for the United States Championship. He will demand the match immediately, and destroy Jack Swagger for taking the belt off his Zach Ryder.
Then, him and Rock will settle the score after a year of build in the main event of Wrestlemania 28. Who will leave as America's Favored Son? I'll tell you who. Whoever walks out as United States Champion. Dusty Rhodes will also make out with the winner. Talk about an American Dream: US Champ and Dusty's Taste!
Overall, I did not read past that first sentence. Now, don't get mad. I just figured it was my cue: It just doesn't get any bigger than that. (absolutely a Christian nod)
Most.Epic.Post.I.Have.Ever.Read.
Idk what else to say about that other than I think you took 1 too many hits tonight...pass it along!
But I stand by my rant above. Cena does not need the belt for the WM match with the Rock. It already has enough going for it. 1 year in the making Attitude Era vs. New Age Era.
Paralyzer Z
Fuck honor
Uh, Cena is going to win the United States Championship at Elimination Chamber? Swagger isn't even in a match and I doubt very match that Cena will walk into WM28 as United States Champion.
Last I recall the match wan't for the coveted #1 contender spot for the U.S title. Why the hell would it be necessarily for either man to gun for the title, this feud is about transitioning Cena into something else that we have yet to see from him.
He already destroyed Swagger, thus in turn avenging Zack Ryder to a large extent. There has since been little interaction since then. Your reasoning needs better explanation.
What?
Cena and Rock are fighting in arguably the biggest match at Wrestlemania in the past decade. Why would you inappropriately place a mid-card title in the match just so it could have some absurd stipulation attached to it. Whilst the match from afar seems to be based off of a popularity contest, this isn't about that at all. This is about Cena rising above hate to counter the Rock and his millions. There is no need nor a place for the U.S championship in a match of that stature.
Why does Cena "need" to turn heel? Why is there "no hope" for a heel turn after this feud? I'll never understand why people say these kinds of things. For one, there's no reason for Cena to turn heel right now. His character not only works just fine, but they're adding new elements to it through this feud with Kane and the extended storyline with Zack Ryder and Eve. He still has a large fan following as a face and is, undeniably, the WWE's top face. I personally don't see the reasoning behind turning your top face heel, only for one match with The Rock (which is what the heel turn would lead to). Without Cena turning heel, the Cena/Rock match is going to be the largest EVER cash cow in wrestling history. There's just no reason for it.
Cena can very easily turn heel after this stretch. There's no reason for him not to. Cena will comfortably be able to turn heel whenever he pleases, but it doesn't need to be any time soon. What happens one year down the line when Cena doesn't have this storyline with Kane or a match locked down with The Rock? He can just as easily turn then and face an Orton or a CM Punk and have an excellent feud. There's no reason for Cena to turn now, but there are other prospects down the line. No doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWo9thujgGI
People say Cena has gotten stale and that they would like to see some change in him. So that got me thinking would it be a good idea for a short time for Cena to go back into his Prototype character? It would be only for like a year or so but do you think it should be done?
Or would you like to see some of the Prototype character in the John Cena character?
I would like to see some of the prototype in his character. I think it would be cool and it would freshin things up for him.
What do you guys think?
People say Cena has gotten stale and that they would like to see some change in him. So that got me thinking would it be a good idea for a short time for Cena to go back into his Prototype character? It would be only for like a year or so but do you think it should be done?
Or would you like to see some of the Prototype character in the John Cena character?
I would like to see some of the prototype in his character. I think it would be cool and it would freshin things up for him.
What do you guys think?
AndThat'sTheBottomLine
I am the
I would definitely like to see more of the prototype in the current John Cena character. His promos in OVW were awesome compared to the ones he does now so I think it'd benefit him.
I had never even seen any footage of him as The Prototype and to be honest I've been lurking on here without creating a profile for forever. That video had me so hyped to see more of that in him in WWE (Even though it'd never happen again) that I had to make a profile to comment on it.
Plus he actually used wrestling moves then too it seems. Wow, have they ruined him or what.
Plus he actually used wrestling moves then too it seems. Wow, have they ruined him or what.
Paralyzer Z
Fuck honor
I'd go with: or what.
In other words I am saying that he does indeed preform professional wrestling moves every week. The last time I checked the AA is an elevated fireman's carry (a wrestling move) his spin-out powerbomb is a wrestling move. From what I can infer here I can safely say that your definitions of a wrestling move must deviate very much from most people with the tiniest bit of knowledge in pro wrestling. What in the hell do you think he does in that ring during his matches? Box people? Prance around or levitate? I'm pretty sure literally speaking he wrestles in a wrestling company.
Cena is a professional wrestler, he is also a sports entertainer but one that excels in both usually gets to the summit of the WWE. Part of getting him there is preforming wrestling moves obviously, or to go even further telling quite a good story with them when needed.
Just looked at the video of Cena as the Prototype...
THAT dude could cut a promo.
He said,
I'm spectacular
the main event manufacturer
I'm so crazy, i'd steal your acura
Wreck it and sell it back to ya
Yeah, I like THAT Cena, WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better.
I'm all about the Prototype.
I know he makes money doing what he does now, but he was way more entertaining back then, IMO.
THAT dude could cut a promo.
He said,
I'm spectacular
the main event manufacturer
I'm so crazy, i'd steal your acura
Wreck it and sell it back to ya
Yeah, I like THAT Cena, WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better.
I'm all about the Prototype.
I know he makes money doing what he does now, but he was way more entertaining back then, IMO.
I originally posted this in the wrong thread.....meant to post it in this one. Here is what I think is going to happen to Cena when all is said in done.
After seeing several things going on with Cena/Kane, I think we are going to see a bit of a swerve by the WWE and a new stable will be created.
I remember watching Wrestlemania years ago when DX basically went into WM as heels, some how became cheered during a match and deemed good again, only to later turn heel a match or so later. I want to say this was the WM when Tyson reffed the Michaels/Austin match.
I think we will see something similar happen at this WM.
The WWE wants us to think that Cena and Ryder are going to have a huge falling out soon due to Eve. In reality, I think they are creating this false impression to dupe everyone at WM.
I won't be surprised to see Ryder come back soon and some how get a shot at Swagger for the US title at WM. The crowd is glad he's back and being a fan favorite, they want him to win and he does.
Then Eve gets a match against Beth Phoenix and beats her for the Diva's title at WM.
I can see the Rock and Cena battling it out and the match coming close to an end. The Rock is down on the mat, the ref is knocked out, and Cena staggers to his feet and all of a sudden, Ryder comes out to the ring with a chair in his hand and starts arguing with Cena. Meanwhile, Rock gets up and right when Ryder goes to hit Cena with the chair, Cena ducks and Rock get drilled. Cena acts like he doesn't know what to do and reluctantly pins the Rock.
He wins and Ryder comes into the ring and has a staredown with Cena. They both then grin, Ryder gives Cena the chair, and he proceeds to beat the tar out of the Rock. Eve runs down and hugs both of them and they create a new stable. The crowd would flip out to see the Rock lose in Miami and of course to see Cena win and turn heel.
From there, I could see Cena going after CM Punk at the next PPV and beating him for the title.
All 3 would hold titles and they would be hated for pulling one over on the fans. It would make sense for them to have one more person join them but I'm not certain who would make sense at this point though I would like to see someone like Cody Rhodes become part of it to give him more credibility.
Anyway, I'm just waiting for a complicated swerve during this match that makes everyone realize they have been swerved in many other ways without even knowing it.
After seeing several things going on with Cena/Kane, I think we are going to see a bit of a swerve by the WWE and a new stable will be created.
I remember watching Wrestlemania years ago when DX basically went into WM as heels, some how became cheered during a match and deemed good again, only to later turn heel a match or so later. I want to say this was the WM when Tyson reffed the Michaels/Austin match.
I think we will see something similar happen at this WM.
The WWE wants us to think that Cena and Ryder are going to have a huge falling out soon due to Eve. In reality, I think they are creating this false impression to dupe everyone at WM.
I won't be surprised to see Ryder come back soon and some how get a shot at Swagger for the US title at WM. The crowd is glad he's back and being a fan favorite, they want him to win and he does.
Then Eve gets a match against Beth Phoenix and beats her for the Diva's title at WM.
I can see the Rock and Cena battling it out and the match coming close to an end. The Rock is down on the mat, the ref is knocked out, and Cena staggers to his feet and all of a sudden, Ryder comes out to the ring with a chair in his hand and starts arguing with Cena. Meanwhile, Rock gets up and right when Ryder goes to hit Cena with the chair, Cena ducks and Rock get drilled. Cena acts like he doesn't know what to do and reluctantly pins the Rock.
He wins and Ryder comes into the ring and has a staredown with Cena. They both then grin, Ryder gives Cena the chair, and he proceeds to beat the tar out of the Rock. Eve runs down and hugs both of them and they create a new stable. The crowd would flip out to see the Rock lose in Miami and of course to see Cena win and turn heel.
From there, I could see Cena going after CM Punk at the next PPV and beating him for the title.
All 3 would hold titles and they would be hated for pulling one over on the fans. It would make sense for them to have one more person join them but I'm not certain who would make sense at this point though I would like to see someone like Cody Rhodes become part of it to give him more credibility.
Anyway, I'm just waiting for a complicated swerve during this match that makes everyone realize they have been swerved in many other ways without even knowing it.
I think the WWE could have handled this storyline so much better if they had brought back Kane earlier than December. If the Cena/Kane story had started earlier, there may be a chance that Cena would have already turned somewhat heel and the ambulance match could have been brutal. Despite what some people say, I have seen a mean streak from Cena and those matches were brilliant.
I feel that this story is a wasted opportunity to bring something new to the careers of Cena, Kane, Ryder and Eve. I really hope that they continue with this storyline somehow. I hated how the Cena/Eve/Ryder was hyped up with the great and unexpected twist at the end of Raw just for the same old same old to be dished up at EC, through not fault of either Cena or Kane. They were just doing as they are told.
Now WWE finds themselves in a position where they have a really good story but cannot take it anywhere because WM is coming up and the Cena/Rock match was booked a year in advance, which I thought was a mistake. It would have been so hard to keep up the hype for this match and it is showing now especially with Rock being unable to be on Raw/Smackdown in a weekly basis.
I agree that Cena needs to turn semi-heel so it gives an legitimate reason to hate Cena whilst still maintaining his level of support from this existing fans.
Honestly new writers are needed quick. Every storyline is getting stale and boring. Here's hoping something unexpected happens on Raw tomorrow.
I feel that this story is a wasted opportunity to bring something new to the careers of Cena, Kane, Ryder and Eve. I really hope that they continue with this storyline somehow. I hated how the Cena/Eve/Ryder was hyped up with the great and unexpected twist at the end of Raw just for the same old same old to be dished up at EC, through not fault of either Cena or Kane. They were just doing as they are told.
Now WWE finds themselves in a position where they have a really good story but cannot take it anywhere because WM is coming up and the Cena/Rock match was booked a year in advance, which I thought was a mistake. It would have been so hard to keep up the hype for this match and it is showing now especially with Rock being unable to be on Raw/Smackdown in a weekly basis.
I agree that Cena needs to turn semi-heel so it gives an legitimate reason to hate Cena whilst still maintaining his level of support from this existing fans.
Honestly new writers are needed quick. Every storyline is getting stale and boring. Here's hoping something unexpected happens on Raw tomorrow.
There is not going to be a Cena heel turn, by ending the PPV like that tonight they have virtually given away the ending of the Cena Rock match at WM.
Super Cena rose above the hate to beat Kane, At WM he's going to getting hate from all of the crowd and he will rise above the hate and win then Rock will Shake his hand at the end of the match and the crowd will start kissing Cena ass again.
Super Cena rose above the hate to beat Kane, At WM he's going to getting hate from all of the crowd and he will rise above the hate and win then Rock will Shake his hand at the end of the match and the crowd will start kissing Cena ass again.
Or trash will get thrown in the ring. Or the boos will get even louder or fan apathy will develop from here on out.
For anyone saying Cena can turn down the road, it's either at Mania or nothing. The stars are aligned, the pieces are in place. If Survivor Series wasn't the perfect time Mania 28 is. They can still redeem themselves despite the Kane/Ryder crap and last night's joke of a finish.
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