**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[Loveless]

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?p=3666382#post3666382

Loveless is not impressed but I guess it's a pretty easy observation to make.
The WWE screwed it up though, or at least wasted the match last night by doing nothing with it. Seriously, what was the bloody point of that match?

 

[stephenjpunk317]

I'm not giving up the ghost on his heel turn, I just think that the Internet has been impatient for it. Bret Hart didn't stay a babyface for forever, and I don't think John Cena will, either.

I'm actually at the point where I think the WWE will make more money off of his heel turn than keeping him as a face. Make-a-Wish will be just fine without Cena granting wishes; the kids will just ask to meet someone else. Also, they can put their hottest new heel on a new marketing campaign with brand new t-shirts, armbands, or whatever.

I agree though that the WWE will make him into the glorious hero instead of the tragic hero. I just had the idea and thought that it would be fun to share, but I actually agree with you that it probably won't happen.

It's fine to make up your own ideas in my mind. I think that's what we all do in any facet of entertainment. It's like watching a movie and comparing it to something. I threw out my thought because I know people keep going to the heel turn, and I've just given up on it because I'm indifferent to Cena. I have other guys I enjoy, so if Cena is heel or face, it doesn't matter to me.

 

[kdk5680]

Brilliant idea. I think it would be awesome, help give Ryder that final push to mega-stardom(they got to push some one whos not over 30), and for Yoda, maybe bring in on older vet we havnt seen in a while..... someone who knows the dark side.....who knows kane..... and could lead to a final showdown between Palpatine and Yoda, ala episode 3 at next years WRM(cause to do this right, it cant be hurried). And yes, I do mean Taker.

As far as the cean turn, it will happen, but ti needs time to be legitamet, which, imo, WWE is doing nicely with this slow burn.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

On my Twitter Account witch you can follow me if you like. I'm Randy_VKO_One. I tweeted about this last week saying that John Cena was like Anakin Skywalker and that Kane was like the Sith. I posted this on the 23 of last week.

Yeah...cause THAT comparison hasn't been made since the start of this whole program.

Look. WWE is NOT taking ideas from movies and using them into their storylines. This idea of comparing Cena and Kane's story to that of the new Star Wars trilogy is asinine! WWE doesn't need to take stories from movies or other projects.


Has ANYONE stopped to think about all the charities WWE is involved with, specifically one called B.A.STAR? You know, the one that talks about bullying and working to stop bullying? Well...what's Kane being to Cena and Ryder?

Cena has to be the one to overcome the odds and defeat the bully. He always has been the one who had to beat the odds and come out being the superhero. His match with Rock is not going to be a face vs face match...its going to be face (Rock) vs heel (Cena), even if WWE doesn't turn Cena heel.

I really don't think WWE has any intention to turn Cena fully heel. The fans boo him...thats enough. He is being made to look the heel WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING. THAT is the main point of the story.

 

[WWE_Colonel]

Yeah...cause THAT comparison hasn't been made since the start of this whole program.

Look. WWE is NOT taking ideas from movies and using them into their storylines. This idea of comparing Cena and Kane's story to that of the new Star Wars trilogy is asinine! WWE doesn't need to take stories from movies or other projects.


Has ANYONE stopped to think about all the charities WWE is involved with, specifically one called B.A.STAR? You know, the one that talks about bullying and working to stop bullying? Well...what's Kane being to Cena and Ryder?

Cena has to be the one to overcome the odds and defeat the bully. He always has been the one who had to beat the odds and come out being the superhero. His match with Rock is not going to be a face vs face match...its going to be face (Rock) vs heel (Cena), even if WWE doesn't turn Cena heel.

I really don't think WWE has any intention to turn Cena fully heel. The fans boo him...thats enough. He is being made to look the heel WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING. THAT is the main point of the story.

You know I have felt this way for such a long time. The WWE will never turn Cena heel, but we as the fans can force him to turn heel. If he gets booed everywhere there is no doubt he will eventually just turn heel because the fans made it happen. Similar to the Randy Orton and Legacy situation, the WWE wanted Rhodes and Dibiase to be the faces, but it back fired because the fans popped for Orton that he became a face. IF WE WANT JOHN CENA TO TURN HEEL THEN WE AS THE FANS MUST BE THE ONES TO DO IT, THE WWE WILL NEVER TURN THIS MAN HEEL IF THEY AREN'T FORCED TO.

 

[Nada]

I dont think what you wrote is complete fantasy, the promo they ran for Cena screamed "A hero that will soon fall", as in Cena is this great human being, he is everything to everyone but the tone of it all was that there was more to his story...

Not that its proof that he is turning heel, but WWE knows that just hinting at it is at least somewhat interesting. Problem being that Cena has done the whole big/foreign/US hating/rich/ heel taking the belt and Cena chasing him, FU him and winning. That whole formula has been used up for Cena, it is why they have to do something more with his storylines from now on.

If a heel turn does come, it has to be more than "Im John Cena and i hate this city and your local football team!" typical chicken **** heel shtick, it has to have more to it. Just like it was with Hogan

 

[King of the Words]

Yes! Turn Cena heel the Darth Vader way for a couple years. Have punk take over the top good guy spot. But remember there was still some good left in Vader, so cena would eventually turn face again before he retired.

 

[wrestlingfanatic98]

I see kane more of the joker in TDK, trying to tell batman which is cena that things are not what you think, that PPL will turn on you sooner or later. The interrogation scene in TDK is essence of how kane is playing this out with cena

 

[Alittude]

It's just so funny seeing all these people saying there is no reason to turn Cena heel, like listening to the crowds each week is nothing. It's also ridiculous hearing people talk like they work for the WWE and not as fans that want entertaining tv. The fans have been wanting this for ages now, when you get boo'd by half the audience everyweek and sometimes the full audience, that is the fans asking for a change. Anyone else receiving these reactions would have been turned by now. Listen to the fans and that's what creates success, don't try to force something. The WWE listening to the fans in the first place is what made Cena so big, why give up on that now?

I have to admit I am actually glad that they haven't done it yet because once it finally happens it will be epic. They just need to pull the trigger sometime this year because if Cena resorts back to his old ways and becomes the same goody goody babyface again then it will be a huge drop of the ball and the WWE seems to be experts at dropping the ball (CM Punk's momentum after the shoot, Survivor Series).

They are doing well with him at the moment and I'm sure it will continue until WM, it's after that what will decide the WWE's year. A Cena turn will be something huge and might be able to atleast come close to the success of Punk's shoot last year which gave the WWE more momentum than they've had in years. If they don't do something big, and slack off after Wrestlemania, then I see numbers dropping even more and people getting more fed up and ppv buys will continue to drop. Cena is the main guy, do an epic turn with an epic story behind it, it could amazing for them. To waste this chance, well that's all it will be...a waste.

Just imagine having Cena talk about he is the main guy, imagine him boasting about all the things that people complain about , abusing his power because he is the top draw. If this is the so called reality era then this would fit perfectly. Even have him mention the five moves of doom and how they can beat anyone. I'd love to see it and there's no doubt it would work.

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

I don't hate Cena. I've never hated Cena. I respect him for what he's done with the charities and stuff and I respect his values and his morality. However, it is time for a change. I don't think Cena really needs to turn heel, just add a new edge to his character. Stop being so damn self righteous and get angry, get mean. A hell turn would be nice too but i wouldn't mind him just getting a little edgier. That'd be nice.

 

[1TheGreatOne1]

He's not turning Heel.


WWE is still doing everything they can to protect him. That's why this feud with Rock will never reach the full potential because Cena always has to come out the better man. Just you see, He'll beat Rock at Mania, it will be the biggest spit in the face to Wrestling fans around the world & John will go back to his goody goody character he's been playing for 6 years now.

The fans boo for a reason, some say "oh they're doing it because they wanna be cool" no not necessarily, the older audience are screaming out for change they want their voice heard but Vince doesn't give a shit about what the fans want. Vince would rather please the kids who only make up 22% (or less) of the audience.

On wrestling DVDs they edit out the boos that Cena gets as if it makes it all better. Yeah you can't edit out the truth can you Vince?

 

[The Crock]

He's not turning Heel.


WWE is still doing everything they can to protect him. That's why this feud with Rock will never reach the full potential because Cena always has to come out the better man. Just you see, He'll beat Rock at Mania, it will be the biggest spit in the face to Wrestling fans around the world & John will go back to his goody goody character he's been playing for 6 years now.

Cena winning will be a spit in the face of wrestling fans? No, not at all. If anything, The Rock winning would be a spit in the face for wrestling fans. Rock hasn't been a wrestler for a very long time, in that time, Cena's been the one carrying the workload and keeping the product together. There's no way in hell Rock deserves to go over Cena.

The feud won't ever reach full potential because, well, only one of those men appears on WWE television weekly. The Rock has built this match through satellite interviews and the odd appearance here or there. John Cena has been on WWE programming every single week, live, building this match. I understand that The Rock is a busy man, but the feud itself isn't ever going to be what it "could have" been. Still, it's the match that is single handedly selling WrestleMania 28, it's one of the biggest matches in WWE history -- the build has been lackluster though, but that's clearly not John Cena's fault.

The fans boo for a reason, some say "oh they're doing it because they wanna be cool" no not necessarily, the older audience are screaming out for change they want their voice heard but Vince doesn't give a shit about what the fans want. Vince would rather please the kids who only make up 22% (or less) of the audience.

Vince clearly gives a shit what the audience wants. In fact, if he didn't, then you wouldn't have had Zack Ryder get a push or anything of the sort. Vince does whatever is best for the product and at this point, Vince hasn't had a reason to change what Cena does on a week to week basis. Cena, like many top guys, has his fans and he has his detractors. His fans and his benefit as a face (and his current path with his character), simply outweigh the negatives.

 

[NotaHippie]

WWE is still doing everything they can to protect him.

You know what my favorite part of the Rock-Cena feud has been? All those times that John Cena was protected and looked awesome compared to The Rock.

What's that? Oh, that hasn't happened? You mean The Rock's been allowed to make a fool of Cena everytime he's been around? Oh, okay.

 

[Dice-J]

I think this is becoming to obvious to us that John Cena beats the Rock. The greatest way to throw a curveball and shock the WWE Universe is to have Kane beat John Cena in the Ambulance Match, that way everyone is thinking man if Cena can't be kane, how is he going to beat The Rock? That'll make everyone think Rock will win, plus it's in his hometown. But Cena pulls off the huge upset. That way Rock passes the torch to Cena, but Kane can also go out with a bang. I'd hate to see Kane's career end at EC especially in a losing effort.

 

[The Crock]

I think this is becoming to obvious to us that John Cena beats the Rock. The greatest way to throw a curveball and shock the WWE Universe is to have Kane beat John Cena in the Ambulance Match, that way everyone is thinking man if Cena can't be kane, how is he going to beat The Rock? That'll make everyone think Rock will win, plus it's in his hometown. But Cena pulls off the huge upset. That way Rock passes the torch to Cena, but Kane can also go out with a bang. I'd hate to see Kane's career end at EC especially in a losing effort.

No, you don't want that. Kane's run won't be over at Elimination Chamber, he doesn't need to go over John Cena. Cena needs to look strong going into WrestleMania. This may very well be the most important match in wrestling history, The Rock vs John Cena, two of the biggest stars of their respective eras. You need them both looking as strong as possible, you need them to look head and shoulders above everybody else -- hence why you need John Cena to win the match against Kane. I mean, Rock will probably end up standing tall over Cena a few times before 'Mania, just look at Survivor Series -- Rock ended up looking better than Cena. The match will be a toss-up for most casual fans and honestly, if Rock will stay past 'Mania for more matches with Cena, he may very well win.

I don't agree with what you're saying at the end there, either. Cena doesn't need Rock to pass the torch to him. Cena took the torch on his own and now he's leading an era. The whole idea that Rock will pass the torch to Cena is BEYOND flawed, anyway. That should have happened years ago, but not now. Cena's already one of the most decorated champions/wrestlers of all time, he doesn't need anybody to pass the torch to him.

 

[amodernphoenix]

Tell me that was not the coldest chant of all time on Monday Night Raw tonight. Love him or hate him, the guy is just doing his job and he is supposed to be a pretty decent dude outside wrestling.

 

[jtolliver23]

So, John Cena was batting a thousand tonight...he, in what some people could view, stole Ryder's gf Eve Torres. Granted Eve jumped into his arms and kissed him, Ryder still not all that happy about it and well...Eve gave him the friend zone speech that I'm sure a few of us have heard a time or two. Add to that, Cena came close to hitting Ryder who for all intents and purposes is a cripple. My question is, do you think this is how WWE is going to generate heat on Cena and eventually turn him heel? He definitely was getting a ton of boos when he almost hit Ryder. What do you guys and gals think?

 

[Vinco Menz]

I thought the crowd was absolutely perfect for this stage of this fued. They were really showing Cena some hate, which is understandable when his character just stole his best friend's girl. Cena and Eve definately got some of the biggest heat of the night. My personal favorite was the guy in the crowd that shouted "Hey Cena, can you see me now?" when they were carting Ryder away.

 

[The A]

It was pretty cold. For a second I thought it we "We don't hate you." At least it wasn't a dead crowd. Silence is by far the coldest thing the fans could give. Kane was gold if you ask me. But man that is pretty rough. Name a heel with that much heat!

 

[DirtyD79]

Nope concidering all the cheers Cena was getting from the kids (his staunchest fanbase) toward the end I really doubt he's gonna be heel anytime soon. He could eat a baby in the middle of the ring and the kids would be offering him barbeque sauce.

 

[DeathClutch]

Eve and Ryder are starting to ruin the Kane and Cena feud with all this rhetoric, who hasn't kissed their best friends woman?
Seriously though it's starting make the feud look dull and comedy written.

I thought the whole point of this storyline was for Cena to embrace the hate, as in Kane making Cena snap not Eve/Cena banging in the back.

 

[mikde_]

change of character and attitude....yes.

heel turn.....no.

I really cant see a full fledged heel turn for cena. Im currently loving his character and this whole angle with kane has given him chance to add a little bit of a edge to his character which is what i think more people wanted. A heel turn would be a stupid move from a buisness stand point and i think although he will continue as a face, i do think we are seeing the end of the cheesy jokes, pandering to the crowd and kissing babies phase of his career.

 

[The12thMan]

Its interesting to say the least. Never though of this scenario. This would be very gutsey if the WWE decided to turn cena heel this way.

 

[The A]

They're not pulling the trigger just yet. I think eve is destined to turn heel but who turns with her? Ryder or Cena. Can't be ryder now! He's done! (I screamed "Oh my god!" Like styles when Kane pushed Ryder off the ramp!) Finally this story is getting a little interesting....

 

[Brian in Austin]

Wow, can wrestling fans get any uglier? Pretty pathetic behavior from people and it's sad to wonder what they are teaching their children.