**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[Best in the World 79]

If you ask an honest man, not boy, he would tell you ric flair was the greatest of all time. Flair holds the record for world titles.

So...seeing as I disagree that triple h will win 4 world titles at this stage in his career, the only other logical option for breaking the record is John cena.

Why does John cena deserve to hold this record?

IMO, he does not.

Here's why.

Flair could go thirty minutes with a broom stick and put the broom stick over in the process. Quote goes to huh.

Cena would have to be carried by the broom stick.

Watch the rivalries DVD on hbk and Bret hart. They talk about "dinosaurs"
They mean guys who work the same old way night in and night out. The fans can predict the outcome every time ala John cena.

Cena is okay for this day and age. But not worthy of breaking that record. Cena would have been shit in the 80's and 90's. There is just an overall lack of talent so he is "the guy"

Now I know people love the guy, and most or at least a lot of ppl feel that he should break the record. But seeing as I've watched since the early nineties, I have more respect for flair, the belts, and guys who never wore the gold, then to be okay with cena breaking the record.

I never heard Austin, taker, hogan, hbk, flair get heat like cena. I mean heat as boos of hatred.

If he breaks that record, I will no longer watch wrestling as a whole and become to hate something I love.

I could think of 10 guys who deserve it more then cena.

 

[jrichardson25]

If you ask an honest man, not boy, he would tell you ric flair was the greatest of all time. Flair holds the record for world titles.

Just because Flair holds it now doesn't mean it won't be broken.

So...seeing as I disagree that triple h will win 4 world titles at this stage in his career, the only other logical option for breaking the record is John cena.

He probably will break it. Cena has a minimum of 5 to 7 years left in the tank easily.

Why does John cena deserve to hold this record?

He's the man. He's been consistently on top since 2005. Hogan is about the only one that can say he's been on top longer in the modern era. Sammartino will forever be the longest reigning WWE Champion EVER.

IMO, he does not.

Brilliant observation... however misconstrued it might be. You just have to look at his track record to change your mind.

Here's why.
Flair could go thirty minutes with a broom stick and put the broom stick over in the process. Quote goes to huh.
Cena would have to be carried by the broom stick.

Have you seen Flair wrestle at all in the past 5-7 years? Its gradually gotten worse... He WAS one of the best but this is an entirely different era. Cena's done a fine job of putting talent over. Point and case was Edge.

Watch the rivalries DVD on hbk and Bret hart. They talk about "dinosaurs"
They mean guys who work the same old way night in and night out. The fans can predict the outcome every time ala John cena.

There's a fine line between consistency (which Cena does have) and working the same way. The Rock works like a dinosaur. Check out Survivor Series '11 and ANY other match from 2000-2003 and you'll understand that one...

Cena is okay for this day and age. But not worthy of breaking that record. Cena would have been shit in the 80's and 90's. There is just an overall lack of talent so he is "the guy"

Really? Are you sure? The wrestlers of those eras were very basic. Struggle, punch, kick, DDT (90's), the occasional suplex... Yeah, think about that one yet again...

Now I know people love the guy, and most or at least a lot of ppl feel that he should break the record. But seeing as I've watched since the early nineties, I have more respect for flair, the belts, and guys who never wore the gold, then to be okay with cena breaking the record.

You're stuck in the past. I don't want to be a jerk but its that simple. I respect the past. Very much so. Those guys paved the way and busted their asses for what we can enjoy today. Cena breaking a record shouldn't be something that causes disgust. Its a change in the business...

I never heard Austin, taker, hogan, hbk, flair get heat like cena. I mean heat as boos of hatred.

You sure? Sgt Slaughter got death threats during the Gulf War in the early 90s because he was playing an Iraqi sympathizer... Austin got a lot of heat. Flair got a lot of heat...

If he breaks that record, I will no longer watch wrestling as a whole and become to hate something I love.

That's a lame excuse to quit watching.

I could think of 10 guys who deserve it more then cena.

Name them.

 

[enviousdominous]

Everytime it seems like there might be a few sensible fans of Cena, I watch another one of his dramatic performances on tv. Every stupid thing this tard does on behalf of Stepphers and Gewirtz ends up being an attempt to bait more fucking idiots into dressing like him.

This last episode of Raw, where do I begin? The embrace the hate angle becomes Eve can't resist Cena and Cena compares her to The Rock. Just like the Katie Vick angle became a video of someone wearing a Hunter mask getting his colon purged.

Cena doesn't deserve to fight someone with Rock's starpower. I hate on Rocky, but at least his heat helped MAKE the careers of his opponents as opposed to being a reason to write them off the fucking program.

Fuck Cena and Fuck everyone who likes him.

 

[Steve0904]

Everytime it seems like there might be a few sensible fans of Cena, I watch another one of his dramatic performances on tv. Every stupid thing this tard does on behalf of Stepphers and Gewirtz ends up being an attempt to bait more fucking idiots into dressing like him.

This last episode of Raw, where do I begin? The embrace the hate angle becomes Eve can't resist Cena and Cena compares her to The Rock. Just like the Katie Vick angle became a video of someone wearing a Hunter mask getting his colon purged.

Cena doesn't deserve to fight someone with Rock's starpower. I hate on Rocky, but at least his heat helped MAKE the careers of his opponents as opposed to being a reason to write them off the fucking program.

Fuck Cena and Fuck everyone who likes him.

Well would you rather some nobody like Eve came and interfered in the Cena-Rock match at WM. They needed to find a way to get rid of Eve in this storyline and I actually hope they did that with last weeks happenings. I hope Eve makes something of herself, but for her to interfere in one of the biggest matches in many years would be idiotic in the extreme. Not to mention it all worked like a charm as far as WWE is concerned. It was the first time in a while the crowd was largely behind Cena which is exactly what WWE wants.

 

[Superbeast_85]

Everytime it seems like there might be a few sensible fans of Cena, I watch another one of his dramatic performances on tv. Every stupid thing this tard does on behalf of Stepphers and Gewirtz ends up being an attempt to bait more fucking idiots into dressing like him.

This last episode of Raw, where do I begin? The embrace the hate angle becomes Eve can't resist Cena and Cena compares her to The Rock. Just like the Katie Vick angle became a video of someone wearing a Hunter mask getting his colon purged.

Cena doesn't deserve to fight someone with Rock's starpower. I hate on Rocky, but at least his heat helped MAKE the careers of his opponents as opposed to being a reason to write them off the fucking program.

Fuck Cena and Fuck everyone who likes him.

U mad bro?

Another member of the "I hate Cena because everyone else hates Cena" club, I take it? Cena's promo was one of his best in quite a long time. Jim Ross said something similar and the man knows his stuff. What Cena said made sense and elevated the rivalry. What's Rock gonna say? Lady Parts? Boots To Asses? Jabroni beatin' pie eatin', blah blah blah. If you think Cena's game is tired, I see your point. He's had tremendous matches with some of the greats and because he does "his job" he "sucks" The whole "I Hate Cena" thing is so old and tired. Move on. Seriously.

 

[Best in the World 79]

Name them.[/QUOTE]
1. The undertaker. 2. Shawn micheals. 3. Stone cold steve austin. 4. Brett hart. 5. Kurt angle. 6. Hhh. 7. Hell even hulk hogan. 8. Sting. 9. If he would've stayed...the rock. 10. Hell why not throw in the macho man.


If you think cena is an overall better talent then any of those? Kill yourself. Take any of thoae ten in their prime, and they would all outshine cena in his prime. In at least 9 out of 10 aspects.

My point to prove, rock comes back- turns fans even more away from cena. Easily overshadows him. Some records shouldn't be broken. That's one.

In an era of bullshit product of what is today, that'd be the ultimate slap in the face to history.

Wwe's top babyface over the past 7 years gets a cena sucks, you can't wrestle, and a we all hate you chant. Think about that one buddy.

 

[Marv95]

Edge, an 8-9 year veteran at the time was already over in 2006, and it wasn't because of Cena. In fact he was seen as nothing more than a transitional fluke champion that year. Won the belt at NYR, drops it 3 weeks later. Even his win at Summerslam was seen as a fluke. The Matt Hardy stuff made him as a totally over, despicable heel, and his match with Foley made him a legit star. Sorry but since 2005 I don't recall a match or time when Cena put anyone over to the point where he made someone much better than they were before going in; a credible, legit star.

 

[TheExceLLenceOfExecution]

they need a thread about this, because honestly im tired of everyone bashing cena too. face it, he IS the face of the company. you are all dissing cena because its the "cool" thing to do. i see nothing wrong with the guy, and im tired of coming on wrestlezone everyday and seeing at least 3 threads that bash cena. its old, and it's very annoying. but people are not going to just keep the bashing here, they will continue making more threads saying the same things over and over again

i think everyone is just fed up with the character he portrays.. you have to admit its become pretty annoying for everyone over the age of 12...

like the thread title says.. heel turn! i think he would be a great heel and i would enjoy seeing him do that very much!

 

[AkHitman17]

If I could write what the Rock should say it would be this, after making his entrance (finally....the rock etc etc)

Rock: There is something that really befuddles the Rock about you Cena. You call me out for not being here week after week, after week. You tell the audience the WWE Universe that I'm off shooting another movie, that maybe I'll appear via satilite, and when Wrestlemania is over I will simply walk out of your lives forever. But the fans see through your crap Cena, you wanna know why they cheer me and boo you everytime you mention my name, everytime I appear, it's not because I am the best wrestler in the world, or because I am the best actor in Hollywood, or the greatest entertainer of all time, its because I have earned their respect, its because they know that when I say I will never leave, it means that my heart will always be with the WWE fans. Does that mean I am going to be here 300 days a year like I was before, no. But it means that I will never forget that is was these fans that made Dwayne Johnson the Rock. These people made me who I am. Lets go back in time if you will, (show video of the past) when Rocky Maivia came through the curtains smilin his happy ass off, just happy to be here, bad hair cut, bad outfit and all, and these people saw right through the crap. They booed the hell out of me, Rocky sucks, die rocky die, they didn't buy it, they forced me to be me. I evolved, I got better, I rose year after year, higher and higher up the ladder, facing the best in business, Triple H, MIck Foley, Undertaker, Kane, Chris Jericho, you name him, the rock wupped that monkey ass, till I got the top. I went toe to toe with the greatest superstar of all time, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and I refused to yeild, I wanted that top spot, I won championships, royal rumbles, headlined wrestlemanias, battling legends entertaining millions...and millions, and at the end of the day I was able to say I earned their respect, their adulation, their love. I decided that I wanted to take on hollywood like I took on the WWE, I wanted to reach the pinnacle in the business, I while Im not there yet, I have made tremendous strides, why Cena do you continue to fault me for doing so...........

thats all I got so far, this is my first post ever, been a fan for 23 years, stoked for Wrestlemania.

 

[grantedisme]

Let's look past the "I'll never leave again" nonsense for a second.

I see lots of people comparing The Rock's return to Jericho, Hogan, and other old greats. The Rock, while having as impressive a resume as the others in the industry, has one glaring difference in relation to all of the old talent who returns to put over current talent. He doesn't even show up via satellite once a month on average to work a program with the person he committed himself to facing at Wrestlemania one year in advance.

I'd understand if he missed the first month, the second, month, even up to ten months before his match, but he can't even pre-record a via satellite segment 2 months before he's supposed to work the grandest stage of them all?

I don't really like Hogan for his work or how he seemingly acts backstage, but when he made his comeback to the E, he came to the ring to give promos, and he interacted with almost every major star on screen in backstage segments. Even more recently, when Jericho came back to do a Wrestlemania with Punk, he contributed to his program with multiple promos in the ring, backstage segments, participations in matches on Raw and PPV. The Rock has had a program scheduled for an entire year. Since it was announced, he has had one match (a tag match where he managed to do less moves than Cena in a weak buy-rate survivor series), and he has had less promos (via satellite or live) in the entire year than Jericho has had in the last month.

I'll admit that I don't really like The Rock, but I recognize what he has done for the industry during what may be its highest point as far as popularity and viewership goes, and as a fan of the WWE, I am grateful for all of the work he put into the craft all of those years ago. That being said, he doesn't deserve to main event the biggest event of the year if he doesn't even have time to show up to work the program. For Christ sake, he didn't even make it to the first Raw building to Wrestlemania! That would be fine if there was Cena/Kane fallout to deal with, but there wasn't. Cena started the feud with The Rock without The Rock even being there.

Look, I recognize that nothing I say or think will change the fact that he's headlining against Cena, and Rocky will probably single-handedly take all of the credit for the good buy-rates whether he deserves it or not. I know that. But just as all of you are free to think that The Rock deserves every bit of attention that he gets, everyone else has just as much a right to feel that Sin Cara would deserve the spot more than him.

 

[Ellye]

i think everyone is just fed up with the character he portrays.. you have to admit its become pretty annoying for everyone over the age of 12...

Over the age of 12 and under the age of 20.
That's the only demography I can possibly understand being annoyed by Cena's character: teenagers.

Cena character is a flat out nice guy. A hard worker that takes his job to heart, a guy that cares about loyalty and respect... overall probably the most realistic character on the entire WWE, actually. He behaves like the majority of mature adults over the age of 30 are even expected to behave. It's a bit ironic that people around here tend to say that his character is "too cartoonish" or unrealistic (I can agree when people say this about his matches, though. They are booked in a cartoonish way. But not his character).
But it's not the realism that matters, anyway. Cena's character is just a very likable guy. That's the whole idea around him. I see no reason to dislike him other than just doing it for the sake of going against "the norm".

 

[illmat]

Over the age of 12 and under the age of 20.
That's the only demography I can possibly understand being annoyed by Cena's character: teenagers.

Cena character is a flat out nice guy. A hard worker that takes his job to heart, a guy that cares about loyalty and respect... overall probably the most realistic character on the entire WWE, actually. He behaves like the majority of mature adults over the age of 30 are even expected to behave. It's a bit ironic that people around here tend to say that his character is "too cartoonish" or unrealistic (I can agree when people say this about his matches, though. They are booked in a cartoonish way. But not his character).
But it's not the realism that matters, anyway. Cena's character is just a very likable guy. That's the whole idea around him. I see no reason to dislike him other than just doing it for the sake of going against "the norm".

I agree with a lot of what you said especially about his cartoonish matches. Cena doesn't need to change to heel, I think fans just want the nice guy to show some kind of emotion when things don't go his way. Playing the nice guy route has taken Cena far but if he were to add some attitude to that nice guy persona and the WWE stopped having him win matches in superhuman ways, I think the fans would appreciate him just a bit more.

 

[smithy93]

john cena needs to change his character abit, wwe need to give him some sort of edge about him something thats going to make the fans think and not predict what he is going to do, some new moves would hlp instead of the same 6-7 he does a the moment

 

[Self High 5]

Over the age of 12 and under the age of 20.
That's the only demography I can possibly understand being annoyed by Cena's character: teenagers.

Cena character is a flat out nice guy. A hard worker that takes his job to heart, a guy that cares about loyalty and respect... overall probably the most realistic character on the entire WWE, actually. He behaves like the majority of mature adults over the age of 30 are even expected to behave. It's a bit ironic that people around here tend to say that his character is "too cartoonish" or unrealistic (I can agree when people say this about his matches, though. They are booked in a cartoonish way. But not his character).
But it's not the realism that matters, anyway. Cena's character is just a very likable guy. That's the whole idea around him. I see no reason to dislike him other than just doing it for the sake of going against "the norm".

Y'know, this is a very interesting perspective that I've never considered before. Cena really should be far more over with the adult male demographic than he is. As an adult male myself, who has to get up in the morning, go to work, pay tax, pay the bills and put food on the table, and keep a stiff upper lip no matter how hard or tedious it can all be sometimes, I can really sympathize with where Cena was coming from in his promo. Guys like us (ie you, me and John Cena) have little time for guys like Dwayne - pampered, preening show-offs and big-shots. If I had kids (which I don't), I'd be more than pleased if they looked up to Cena as a role model. However, 2 major problems:

Cena is just another multi-millionaire, pretending to be 'one of us'. A man of the people. He's just not. He certainly is more so than the Rock, but at the end of the day he's just as much an 'other' to me as the Rock.

Second thing, I find Cena - and the era he has presided over - incredibly tedious and boring. I don't watch wrestling for working class heroes. I watch wrestling for escapism, and to be entertained. Who is overall more entertaining? The Rock x1000. Attitude or PG? Attitude please. I tried watching Cena's ambulance match from Elimination Chamber the other night and damn near fell asleep.

So, at the end of the day, I'm still on Team Bring It, but I have much more respect for where Cena is coming from since Raw. I won't be that bothered if Cena wins. He probably will. He DOES NOT need to turn heel.

 

[GoShtate]

The problem, in my opinion, isn't Cenas character. It is how he got there. He came out of nowhere and steamrolled through everyone. He is the leader of the PG era which we all hate so much. Every promo is the same, he isn't exactly entertaining to anyone over the age of 13, and his ring work is average at best. People above the age of 20 are used to seeing guys like HHH, The Rock, Austin, etc earn their prowess atop the WWE. We watched these guys go from battling for IC and European Championships, to winning Royal Rumbles, winning King of the Rings, cutting great promos, and selling merchandise. These guys earned their way to the head of the WWF. Most people who I talk to about the subject feel he was given it and never really deserved it. But, we are force fed him non stop. The guy sells and his love/hate with the fans only helps get people talking which is all the WWE really wants.

 

[Steve0904]

The problem, in my opinion, isn't Cenas character. It is how he got there. He came out of nowhere and steamrolled through everyone. He is the leader of the PG era which we all hate so much. Every promo is the same, he isn't exactly entertaining to anyone over the age of 13, and his ring work is average at best. People above the age of 20 are used to seeing guys like HHH, The Rock, Austin, etc earn their prowess atop the WWE. We watched these guys go from battling for IC and European Championships, to winning Royal Rumbles, winning King of the Rings, cutting great promos, and selling merchandise. These guys earned their way to the head of the WWF. Most people who I talk to about the subject feel he was given it and never really deserved it. But, we are force fed him non stop. The guy sells and his love/hate with the fans only helps get people talking which is all the WWE really wants.

I agree with the essence of your post. However, Cena did have a US Title reign before he won the WWE title. He sells a load of merchandise, the King of The Ring wasn't even around when Cena first went over, he's won a RR, and believe it or not when Cena was first huge early in his career the majority of people, including adult males loved his rapper gimmick and as such I would say the majority of people felt he cut great promos early in his career to first get over.

As for the realism that Cena presents, I think therein lies the problem. Wrestling is about over the top characters. It always has been. It's an escape from reality for many people. Therefore Cena is not really related to that well.

With this said, if he can bring back some attitude like he did this past Monday it's quite evident he could still get the crowd back on his side to some extent. As soon as he said ho-ski he had part of the crowd chanting it and it may have been "trending" worldwide. He even had people listening intently when he was ripping The Rock of all people.

Yes his ringwork is average at best and it's unfortunate his matches get booked with the "5 moves of doom" finish most times which is not really his fault. If you watch his early matches before he became WWE champion it's quite evident he's not as terrible a wrestler as most people think he is. He'll never pass for an imitation of Kurt Angle, or Chris Benoit, or Bret Hart, but he's certainly no worse than SCSA or the Rock. If people were to be completely honest they'd probably tell you they only let The Rock's or SCSA's wrestling skills slide because they were entertaining, but as I've already said Cena can obviously be entertaining. We've witnessed that, we just haven't witnessed it enough. It's also not like Cena went to Vince and said lets go PG. I'm almost certain that was Vince's decision entirely, and it came because WWE was getting terrible publicity.

 

[scottyshowman82]

If they aren't already I think the Rock and John Cena will end up being good friends. They're very alike if you think about it. I think they do have a lot of respect for each other, (even though it may not seem like it sometimes). They're both hardworking, good hearted indivuals at the end of the day, want to help and entertain the millions. I think it will be in both of their best interests to officially truce eventually and I wouldn't be suprised if they ended up working on some projects together sometime in the future.

 

[Brahma_Bull9]

Y'know, this is a very interesting perspective that I've never considered before. Cena really should be far more over with the adult male demographic than he is. As an adult male myself, who has to get up in the morning, go to work, pay tax, pay the bills and put food on the table, and keep a stiff upper lip no matter how hard or tedious it can all be sometimes, I can really sympathize with where Cena was coming from in his promo. Guys like us (ie you, me and John Cena) have little time for guys like Dwayne - pampered, preening show-offs and big-shots. If I had kids (which I don't), I'd be more than pleased if they looked up to Cena as a role model. However, 2 major problems:

Cena is just another multi-millionaire, pretending to be 'one of us'. A man of the people. He's just not. He certainly is more so than the Rock, but at the end of the day he's just as much an 'other' to me as the Rock.

Second thing, I find Cena - and the era he has presided over - incredibly tedious and boring. I don't watch wrestling for working class heroes. I watch wrestling for escapism, and to be entertained. Who is overall more entertaining? The Rock x1000. Attitude or PG? Attitude please. I tried watching Cena's ambulance match from Elimination Chamber the other night and damn near fell asleep.

So, at the end of the day, I'm still on Team Bring It, but I have much more respect for where Cena is coming from since Raw. I won't be that bothered if Cena wins. He probably will. He DOES NOT need to turn heel.

It is interesting, and though I don't nearly watch wrestling as much I used too, I am in that demographic, however, it is the amount of bs he puts up with and just takes it. I don't think any guy would like to imagine being nice about Madison Square Garden booing you and chanting you can't wrestle. I mean he played it off better than I thought he would the night after, but at the same time though we may put up with comparable amounts of bs, I think most people like to think of themselves of not being a doormat. Which is what Cena looks like a lot imo...

 

[Arsenal]

Y'know, this is a very interesting perspective that I've never considered before. Cena really should be far more over with the adult male demographic than he is. As an adult male myself, who has to get up in the morning, go to work, pay tax, pay the bills and put food on the table, and keep a stiff upper lip no matter how hard or tedious it can all be sometimes, I can really sympathize with where Cena was coming from in his promo. Guys like us (ie you, me and John Cena) have little time for guys like Dwayne - pampered, preening show-offs and big-shots. If I had kids (which I don't), I'd be more than pleased if they looked up to Cena as a role model. However, 2 major problems:

Cena is just another multi-millionaire, pretending to be 'one of us'. A man of the people. He's just not. He certainly is more so than the Rock, but at the end of the day he's just as much an 'other' to me as the Rock.

Second thing, I find Cena - and the era he has presided over - incredibly tedious and boring. I don't watch wrestling for working class heroes. I watch wrestling for escapism, and to be entertained. Who is overall more entertaining? The Rock x1000. Attitude or PG? Attitude please. I tried watching Cena's ambulance match from Elimination Chamber the other night and damn near fell asleep.

So, at the end of the day, I'm still on Team Bring It, but I have much more respect for where Cena is coming from since Raw. I won't be that bothered if Cena wins. He probably will. He DOES NOT need to turn heel.

The bolded part is exactly why people hate Cena, along with the fact that he had his interesting, over the top character which he got over with (the Dr. of Thuganomics), change into a boring goody two-shoes corporate mascot for the Company, and then got shoved down our throat.

 

[1TheGreatOne1]

That's why we watch Wrestling to be entertained.
Cena is NOT entertaining to a vast majority of the audience, yes the kids and women love him but WWE are ignoring the male demographic.

WWE are trying too hard pushing Cena on the audience especially when they show videos of him visiting sick children, it's their way of basically saying "this guy visits sick kids how dare you boo him".
The Rock visited tons of kids where are the videos of him? nowhere because he doesn't need to be a attention ****e trying to look like a Saint.

Anyways back to my point..WWE are trying too do this whole bullshit thing trying to get him over with the male audience so he won't be booed at Wrestlemania, I can honestly see it backfiring. He's been booed since the end of 05', just because he cuts a couple of good promos or gets slight edgy again it doesn't make up for the fact he's been booed for so long. They're not gonna side w/ Cena over The Rock. Vince needs to realize he will be booed at Mania.

 

[martymcfly]

I think for me personally, this whole verbal war between Rock and Cena has been terrible. The first exchange was great, but honestly, Cena has come out leagues and leagues ahead of the Rock.

In the end (again my opinion) is that everything Cena has said about the Rock has been true. Whether he means it in real life or not, his complaints against the Rock are legitimate. He has a real reason to dislike him, and he has explained his reasoning very well.

On the other hand, the Rock's only counter argument is "Yeah, well I still don't like you." He's even said that a few times in his promos...he just doesn't like Cena. However, he has yet to put forth a legitimate reason for feeling that way. Unlike Cena, he does not have any evidence, any arguments...he has nothing. Yeah, he doesn't like the way he dresses or mugs for the camera. Yeah ok, people can agree with that, sure...but in the end it makes Rock look like a spoiled child who can't think of a good comeback, so he just throws out insults.

It also does not give a good reason for Rock to even be involved in this feud, to be honest. Cena has a legitimate beef with the Rock; the Rock just doesn't like Cena. So why is the Rock even involved? It doesn't make sense that he would come back for a match just because he doesn't like a guy, and even so, why here and why now instead of earlier? Which further points to the fact that he is only temporarily back for a paycheck and a spotlight, which even further cements what Cena has been saying all along.

In the end, regardless of my personal opinion about Cena and as much as I enjoyed the Rock back in the day, it is really hard for me to back the Rock, both in the verbal exchanges and going into wrestlemania.

 

[ae_wrestler123]

rock has already stated. he is sick of cena being force fed! cena was the one running his mouth. rock just responded. why should cena judge dwayne?? dwayne isn't highlighting the hypocrite cena is being. especially when it comes to acting.

 

[martymcfly]

Interesting responses, got me thinking a little more deeply. My gut reaction are as follows:

rock has already stated. he is sick of cena being force fed!

Good point...but if his problem is being force fed, then his complaint should be against Vince and the WWE creative team, not with Cena himself. Cena is just along for the ride, and does what he is supposed to do and with a lot more passion but you can hardly fault him for that. Honestly, is there anyone who--if they were in Cena's position over the last few years--would have said "You know, let's not feature me so much on television. Or let me give a boring, dry promo that won't fire anyone up. Let me not win so many matches." Again, can't blame Cena for taking his role and honestly, running very well with it.

And even that point aside, it's pretty ironic that someone who left the WWE to be a big movie star should complain about someone else hogging a spotlight.

cena was the one running his mouth. rock just responded.

Actually from what I remember, rock was the one who brought this whole thing into the public spotlight by being the first one to attack Cena in his comeback promo. As far as the public argument goes, Rock started it.

Unless you are referring to the Rock responding to the "backstage" talk of Cena bashing the Rock. If that is the case, then yes, I will admit that it could be said that Cena started it, but Rock was the first one to take everything public. But even so, then see the next point...

why should cena judge dwayne??

I'd respond to that by asking...why not? Cena--as well as every other wrestler in the locker room--has a right to judge dwayne. Cena has stated his problem with the Rock very clearly from the outset in his promos, and it is a legitimate one. Especially considering how the WWE panders to the Rock on the few occasions he has returned, why don't they have a right to complain?


Overall, I appreciate your points but I still feel that overall that in the verbal sparring, Rock (so far) has not made any legitimate arguments against Cena, whereas Cena has against the Rock. Again, just my opinion though.

 

[HITMANFAN]

...The Rock visited tons of kids where are the videos of him? nowhere because he doesn't need to be a attention ****e trying to look like a Saint....

Holy crap! Did you really just say that? Are we watching the same ROCK? The man lives for atttention.

He had his time, had has his career, instead of sticking around and cementing it, he chose to sell-out, cash-in and made dull kiddie movies.

He decided to piss off, he should stay pissed off...he's frankly pissing me off. In my opinion he has come out of it worse in every head-to-head he and Cena have had. It might just be me getting old but, he is starting to sound more like the whining bitch he is accusing Cena of being, every single time he opens his mouth. You can only play the smart-arse for so long before the public realises that nobody actually likes a smart arse!

 

[TheOrtonRevolution]

I seriously think the Rock is losing his edge or never had one in the first place. Last night, what did he do? He called said "Kung Pao Bitch". One, that is a freaking lame insult. Two, that was the only thing new he brought to the fight. Cena has been consistently owning him promo after promo. I will see if I can buy Wrestlemania this year, just to see the biggest match probably in my lifetime. I'll enjoy Cena beating the crap outta him cuz Team Bring It is filled with hypocrites.