**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[worldchamp101]

While I have respect for Cena as a person, I hate him as a wrestler. Because of my hatred of him as a wrestler, I just simply stopped watching WWE programming. I haven't watched any WWE programming in over 2 months, and I will continue boycotting WWE programming until he leaves the company.

 

[Fear&Loathing]

I dont hate John Cena hes a really nice guy i hate the way WWE shove him down our throats with his merchandise and his constant pointless title runs (he didnt need to win the title again at night of champions just to lose it to the guy he beat the month before). I respect the fact hes a role model to children but hes too much and too childish for teens and adults to watch. with your comment on the chanting maybe if fans started being silent maybe wed see WWE mellow down and let somebody else shine in the spotlight

 

[akrassikauda]

While I have respect for Cena as a person, I hate him as a wrestler. Because of my hatred of him as a wrestler, I just simply stopped watching WWE programming. I haven't watched any WWE programming in over 2 months, and I will continue boycotting WWE programming until he leaves the company.

So Katy Vick,Mexicools,Cryme Time, Brian Pillman gun incident the mocking of GOD the list goes on and on doesn't do it so you choose to boycott because of Cena.

 

[RD_21]

I usually don't like getting into Cena debates as my preference of him is very middle-of-the-road. But, unless i misunderstood your post, you cant really be saying that the ratings these days are as low as they are because of Cena can you?

Because whether you love or hate the man, you have to agree that if he was gone, there would be a significant decrease in ratings. Half the universe loves him, the other half doesn't but they still watch. I'm not saying that that rating would plummet to the point of no return, or that they wouldn't eventually come back up on the back of someone else, but you have to admit that Cena only helps ratings.

Look at Smackdown as a possible comparison. everyone from Triple H to Undertaker have been the top guy on that show, but the Current Cena hasn't. If he ever was, i think alot of the kids would flip over on friday nights and boost their ratings as well.

While I don't think that Cena is the reason for the low ratings and that I agree with you that some people would stop watching without Cena in the WWE, I also know a lot of people who stopped watching mainly because of him.

I've been saying for a while that Cena should go to Smackdown. It would give us a break and boost Smackdown ratings.

What I meant was that the WWE won't listen to the people who are tired of him as long as they see Cena making more money as a face/same gimmick. When his die hard fans drop him or that they think more money could be made with a fresh Cena they will do it, that's all.

 

[jrichardson25]

So Katy Vick,Mexicools,Cryme Time, Brian Pillman gun incident the mocking of GOD the list goes on and on doesn't do it so you choose to boycott because of Cena.

Yeah, I don't see how Cena would be a reason to boycott... If anyone was to compare him to someone of the past it of course is the 1980s Hulk Hogan. He was THE MAN. Cena is a clean cut man. There's no shades of grey. Some people are just that way....

 

[a7xfan93]

This isn't another "Please turn Cena heel" thread..this is a thread of asking why does he need to turn heel?

Here is my observation. Based on watching all the WWE Programming (Raw, Smackdown, PPVs, etc.) and reading other's posts, John Cena shouldn't have to turn heel, and here's why:

90% of people "boo" Cena. Week in and week out, you will always hear Cena get "boo"-ed by almost everyone..not to mention the "let's go cena-CENA SUCKS!!!" chants. Everyone is wanting Cena to turn heel, but what is to be gained if he does? He is always getting booed, and if he turns heel, he will continue to get booed..so what's the point?

 

[H33LTurn]

Disliking him? Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I like him myself, but I can fully understand why someone would dislike him (or his gimmick, or the way he's used, etcetera).
Notice that my comment was directed to a quote with the word "hate" - it's a big part of the reason why I said those people are just silly.

Anyway, regarding the double chants, I also agree with what was mentioned a few posts ago: many fans do both parts of the chants.

Because hes a person just like anybody else. We've all met someone we hate and even though we've never met Cena we know a whole lot about him and probably see him (on TV, live shows) more than his family does.

 

[RD_21]

First whether you think of it like that or not, you topic is just another Cena topic and will get move soon, but I will answer you here.

Why is simple, the why is to freshen things up. Contraty to popular belief these days on this forum, Cena isn't booed because it's cool (at least not by everyone for that reason) he is booed because he is BEYOND STALE! Turning him heel would embrace the reaction he is getting and would make things fresh again.

What's to gain other than that? The next guy (it could be Zack Ryder, Santino, JoMo or a jobber) would become FREAKING HUGE by standing tall to Cena because he the kids that used to love Cena would want someone to side with, someone who stand for them and avenge the "pain" that Cena did to them when he betrayed them.

So that's mainly the 2 top reason. But I've said it again, I don't "necessarily" want an heel turn, I just want him to be book differently and change his gimmick.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

There is GOOD booing and BAD booing...Cena is receiving bad booing right now. Its a bad sign when your top face is getting boos. Kids and girls love him, the guys and adult viewers cant stand him. Or maybe they like him and just boo him for the hell of it. Either way Cena is getting boos.

For years Cena has been shoved down our throats because he has been the main merchandise seller. Well not any more. Ryder just cracked the top 10 and Punk replaced Cena has #1.

Now more than ever is the perfect time for them to turn him. With Rock coming back and starting up his program with Cena again, Cena is more likely to get booed. When does the Rock get booed? When Cena talks about Rock leaving and turning his back on WWE.

Going into Mania, you almost already have a face vs heel match. Cena is most likely going to get booed that night, while Rock gets the cheers.

A heel turn would be a fresh take on Cena. Hell he kind of already started a character change when he retired the jorts. Right now, Cena has been the same character since he turned face and dropped the rapper gimmick.

IF Cena turns heel, it needs to be out of no where. Dont have him turn against the Rock, have him turn against the fans.

 

[jrichardson25]

I think the need of Cena to turn heel is to please all of the IWC... They dislike him because he has the "5 moves of doom". Yeah, he might be "limited"... I used that term loosely because he can chain wrestle and he can go for a bit of time (ie Iron Man match) without botching.

Personally... I think if he does some minor tweaks to his character and occasionally decides to rap it would suffice...

 

[J.J.]

Turning Cena needs to be left alone. Turn him because CM Punk sells more merchandise than him and Ryder being top 10 in sales is relevant to what? That does not change that he has and still is the biggest drawer in the post-attitude era, a top request for Make-A-Wish Foundation. That's a good image for the WWE. From a business standpoint it would be wise to keep him the babyface. Change him why - to keep some dissatisfied fans happy? I'm not a Big Cena either on that note.

 

[Headman]

To touch on the CM Punk thing. He out sold Cena for like what? One month? I haven't seen anything recent to show that he's still selling more merch. Punk had a hot t-shirt, all Cena's shirts are hot. Turning him heel because a few silly fans want / need everyone to agree with them is just stupid. Which is why the WWE has and will continue to ignore them.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Yeah this will most likely be merged.

Anyways I do agree he doesn't need to be a heel, not yet anyways. I understand that the IWC wants Cena to become heel because they feel he is getting stale as a face. The problem with this logic is this is how the IWC feels, not the majority of the fans.

Cena still gets a great reaction every week, is still a great face and still has a lot to offer as a face. The big reason why the Hogan turn worked is because Hogan's time as a face had already passed, he was already stale and pretty much every person in the audience was over Hulkamania, therefore it was logical to turn him heel and give him new life. Cena still has many years as a face before the masses get sick of him being a heel, when he gets booed it because the "Smart" fans out there don't want him as a top guy, not because they want him as a heel. The fact is Cena still gets cheered by most of the audience and is a great person to have represent WWE. Cena is still massively over as a face so there really is no reason to change that yet.

The biggest argument I've heard (I'm looking at you Isenberg) is that The Rock isn't going to get booed at WM so make Cena heel, that's stupid logic as a face vs. face would work. Personally if anyone should turn heel it should be the Rock. Sure he is STILL going to get cheered at WM and Cena is going to get booed but all I have to say to that is BIG FUCKING DEAL. In WMX8 Hogan (the heel) got cheered over Rock (the face) and it still didn't matter and that still was a wrestlemania moment for the ages and one of the greatest WM matches EVER.

The Rock is amazing as a heel and a heel Rock would be a way better option than Cena, the Rock is proven as a heel and him constantly fucking Cena over would give people all the more reason to see them fight. Start it at Survivor Series, have Rock turn his back on Cena, have him accost the fans on RAW the next night, he does it so well and you will increase buys for the PPV, build sympathy for Cena, even have Rock cost Cena a title match.

If Cena had no more to give as a face I would say go right ahead and turn him heel, but pulling the trigger now will decrease Cena's value in the long run, after his heel turn goes sour (which could happen sooner than most think) you either turn him face again (which is what he should be) or his value falls. Hogan only pulled off being face his second time for a few months before he was pretty much done.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

This isn't another "Please turn Cena heel" thread..this is a thread of asking why does he need to turn heel?

Here is my observation. Based on watching all the WWE Programming (Raw, Smackdown, PPVs, etc.) and reading other's posts, John Cena shouldn't have to turn heel, and here's why:

90% of people "boo" Cena. Week in and week out, you will always hear Cena get "boo"-ed by almost everyone..not to mention the "let's go cena-CENA SUCKS!!!" chants. Everyone is wanting Cena to turn heel, but what is to be gained if he does? He is always getting booed, and if he turns heel, he will continue to get booed..so what's the point?

First off lets get one thing cleared up, I do not think a Cena heel turn would be good for WWE, I am not in favor of it either.

90% of the people boo Cena? to tell the truth from my observations it is more about 40% but 90% is just plain ridiculous. The entire world does not hate him and he IS the selling point of WWE why ruin that just to please guys that for the most part bash you, and stream your PPV's when could be making a fortune off of parent's money so their kids could see John Cena beat the heels up and satisfy them.

Second off if he were to turn heel than the opposite of what you stated will occur. The guys that boo him in the crowd will now start cheering him and once again defy the laws of Heels and Faces. WWE knows this will happen and thus they will find themselves in the same situation again. They know there is NO pleasing these guys that boo Cena and they will continue to do the opposite of what WWE is aiming for no matter what. SO logically the company should just stick to having the majority of the crowd cheer him while making a profit off Cena like they always have, and leave the smarks do whatever the hell they want while ignoring them.

 

[Azane]

Turn him so we see a 3 dimensional character.

Right now, Cena's career has 3 points, the rookie facing Kurt Angle, the dr. of Thuganomics and Super Marine Cena. The third persona has been his most successful and ran him as the face of the company, but anything that's used for years gets stale, especially with how often Cena is used (Even when he's fired, he gets 15 mins TV time). Its true that a superstar doesn't need to swap heel/face to have a solid career (Mysterio), but heel Cena would be refreshing, and I think one of the issues, the same people booing him now will cheer him as heel. Cena is one of those guys that I bet would still sell well as a heel, probably not as good as nWo sold, but there's a market for the type of heel I think Cena would play well.

There's a 95% chance we'll see Cena as a heel again someday. I think face Rock vs heel Cena would draw slightly more, but I'm not putting money on it. Cena should play heel again sometime in is career to come full circle.

For now, stop expecting a turn, everytime people expect the turn to be setup so perfect, nothing happens, we see Cena standing around smiling after the main event.

 

[Dalinkwent]

Cena should turn heel for the simple fact that he has nowhere else to go, the gravy train with the kids isn't going to last forever. If WWE keeps doing the thing with Cena over and over again the kids are going to eventually get bored of it and turn of a still face Cena. I know many people are going to call me a "Cena Hater" or a "know nothing IWC smart mark" but they forget even HOGAN became stale to his legions of fans after a decade of doing the shit night and night out. Either WWE's turns Cena heel or find some actual dominate heels for him to deal with, even Hogan struglled with a Giant. It's beyond boring watch Cena face people I already know couldn't possibly beat him.

 

[DirtyJosé]

First whether you think of it like that or not, you topic is just another Cena topic and will get move soon

Yes, I agree and I will go further than that: Hey Mr. WWE Mods? Can one of you guys merge this into the Cena thread? K, thanks!

Why is simple, the why is to freshen things up. Contraty to popular belief these days on this forum, Cena isn't booed because it's cool (at least not by everyone for that reason) he is booed because he is BEYOND STALE! Turning him heel would embrace the reaction he is getting and would make things fresh again.

Ugh, I cringe every time one of you mouth breathers use the term "freshen up", especially when talking about Cena. "Freshen up" is what your mom does in the bathroom at Red Robin before I nail her in the car in the parking lot. A heel turn for Cena is not a "Freshen up" move. You guys call him stale and boring, yet a bunch of you gave in when he changed something as benign as the fucking pants he wears to to wrestle. Just fucking face it; you may not like him for valid reasons, but that doesn't mean everyone else is of the same opinion. He's got new merch out, he's off the title picture; let's see how good Punk and Ryder do now against him.

What's to gain other than that? The next guy (it could be Zack Ryder, Santino, JoMo or a jobber) would become FREAKING HUGE by standing tall to Cena because he the kids that used to love Cena would want someone to side with, someone who stand for them and avenge the "pain" that Cena did to them when he betrayed them.

You really want to make Ryder, Santino or Morrison the next guy? Really? You must be pants-on-head ******ed. "Jobber"? Don't use terms you don't understand, young one. And where do you go with whatever jabroni you've had stand up to Cena? Cause it's two choices from there; push heel Cena as a beast like you should (in which case your precious "new star" is road kill) or let new guy come out over Cena (in which case you took your biggest star on the roster and made him heel just to put over a fucking twat like Morrison and ruined him because of it). In short, this is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard from you. You should red rep yourself for it.

So that's mainly the 2 top reason. But I've said it again, I don't "necessarily" want an heel turn, I just want him to be book differently and change his gimmick.

Translation: I want Cena to be cool to me again and I only like edgy and tweener types.

There is GOOD booing and BAD booing...Cena is receiving bad booing right now. Its a bad sign when your top face is getting boos. Kids and girls love him, the guys and adult viewers cant stand him. Or maybe they like him and just boo him for the hell of it. Either way Cena is getting boos.

How many more times am I going to see stupid fucking asshats like you pulling out that same old tired and provably false line about only girls and kids liking Cena? I see plenty of adult male Cena fans, both in life and on here, and I have to say that each one of them are more "man" than you'll ever be. And while we're on the topic, care to explain to me what it is that makes women and children less important than males? Because not only are you ******ed, but your statement comes across like somehow female and young viewers' opinions aren't as important as your alpha-male dickwad opinion.

For years Cena has been shoved down our throats because he has been the main merchandise seller. Well not any more. Ryder just cracked the top 10 and Punk replaced Cena has #1.

Let's rewind that a second...

Cena...forced down our throats...because he's a bigger draw....

...

Nah, I think I have to make some sort of math thing here to figure that statement out...

Cena + Merch sales = Forced down our throats

...

Oh, but wait, silly me. I forgot. If he's making money at the gates and at the merch table, then it's a sign the people want to see him. And if that's the case, then "merch sales" cancels out the "forced down our throats" part of the equation. Let's see what happens when I make these changes...

Cena = GETS FEATURED BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE HIM AND BUY HIS STUFF YOU INCOMPETENT PIECE OF DOG SHIT

Math never lies.

Now more than ever is the perfect time for them to turn him. With Rock coming back and starting up his program with Cena again, Cena is more likely to get booed. When does the Rock get booed? When Cena talks about Rock leaving and turning his back on WWE.

Going into Mania, you almost already have a face vs heel match. Cena is most likely going to get booed that night, while Rock gets the cheers.

A heel turn would be a fresh take on Cena. Hell he kind of already started a character change when he retired the jorts. Right now, Cena has been the same character since he turned face and dropped the rapper gimmick.

Most all of this is devoid of any point or argument. You try to make a few statements, but you don't really expand on those ideas. You just talk out of your ass. Furthermore, you make a great example for something else I mentioned earlier when you state that "started a character change when he retired the jorts". ARE YOU FOR FUCKING REAL? HOW STUPID ARE YOU? A character change for not wearing jean shorts? Jesus, how many times did your mom try to abort you?

IF Cena turns heel, it needs to be out of no where. Dont have him turn against the Rock, have him turn against the fans.

Again, another idea you don't follow up with. And why would this do any good? OH NOES! CM PUNK WAS NUMBER ONE IN MERCH FOR HAVING ONE HOT SHIRT FOR ONE FINANCIAL PERIOD OF 2011 DURING WHICH CENA HAD NO MAJOR NEW MERCH! RYDER MADE SOME MONEY TOO! HAVE TO CHANGE IT ALL NOW! How about, again, we see how good the Punk juggernaut is against Cena now that Cena has a new shirt of his own to push. Cena isn't top dog because his shit was hot for a few weeks; he's top dog because his shit's been hot for years now. Why in hell would you ever take that away for the sake of a few crybaby fans?

Turning Cena needs to be left alone. Turn him because CM Punk sells more merchandise than him and Ryder being top 10 in sales is relevant to what? That does not change that he has and still is the biggest drawer in the post-attitude era, a top request for Make-A-Wish Foundation. That's a good image for the WWE. From a business standpoint it would be wise to keep him the babyface. Change him why - to keep some dissatisfied fans happy? I'm not a Big Cena either on that note.

That's the thing; neither am I. I like the guy, I respect him, I think he does a fine job, but he's not why I watch. I don't buy WWE merch, but I did buy Punk BitW shirt. That's what I like. And even from that viewpoint, I just don't get these fucking monkeys acting in here like a heel Cena is going to fix EVERYTHING FOREVER! Especially when these assholes have no real clues or ideas on how to book a heel Cena other than just to cost the WWE the money they could be making off of Cena for the sake of their precious sensibilities.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Im not even going to get into it with you because its not worth it. Im tired of seeing people like you flame users for their opinions. If you dont like it fine. But SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

No one deserves your childish name calling and talking about people's families. You dont know any of us, so how can you make accusations like that? My friends dont even talk to me like that! Joking or not.

These are not sites setup to bully people. If you dont agree, just say you dont agree and state why. No need to call names and flame users for having an opinion.

And I'm going to turn this shitty spam post of yours right back on to you.

If you don't like Cena, just say so. Think he should turn heel? Ok. But you are going to attack him and slander his fans by stating that "only women and kids" like him? You can't have it both ways. So, ok, I'm a little more off color than you, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll go off on how REAL men only want Cena gone or as a heel, the implication being that if you disagree you aren't a REAL man. Do you plan on explaining that further? Or are you just going to cry some more? Either come here to back up your bullshit statements or go start a Bar Room thread about me. Stop spamming up this thread, please.

 

[[cL]]

I don't think "Kids" per se will ever get over Cena. I think they will get tired of him as they grow OLDER but will ultimately be replaced by other kids. As long as he's able, he could ride this gravy train forever.

Just the thought of that infuriates me.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

And I'm going to turn this shitty spam post of yours right back on to you.

If you don't like Cena, just say so. Think he should turn heel? Ok. But you are going to attack him and slander his fans by stating that "only women and kids" like him? You can't have it both ways. So, ok, I'm a little more off color than you, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll go off on how REAL men only want to Cena gone or as a heel, the implication being that if you disagree you aren't a REAL man. Do you plan on explaining that further? Or are you just going to cry some more? Either come here to back up your bullshit statements or go start a Bar Room thread about me. Stop spamming up this thread, please.

I dont care either way, I just want WWE to shit or get off the pot. Go back and read what I said earlier. Wait...Ill post it for you.

There is GOOD booing and BAD booing...Cena is receiving bad booing right now. Its a bad sign when your top face is getting boos. Kids and girls love him, the guys and adult viewers cant stand him. Or maybe they like him and just boo him for the hell of it. Either way Cena is getting boos.

I never said MEN dont like him. Im simplsy stating that, when Cena is out in a match what do you hear?
Childish, girly voices: LETS GO CENA
Older, more masculine voices: CENA SUCKS!

Hell, kayfabe or not, Rock even made fun of it!

I dont care what WWE does with Cena...Im just tired of seeing Im prominently featured every week. Im tired of WWE not taking chances with other superstars. Most fans know, after losing a title, said loser gets a re-match. In terms of booking, Punk should've gotten the re-match. BUT WWE INSISTED ON HAVING CENA IN THE ME. He even took the title, lost it, took it again for a month, THEN LOST IT AGAIN!

Cena is close to his prime in his career, I wouldn't say he is there yet. But over the course of the almost 8 years of being in WWE he has had both titles a combined 12 TIMES! He still has a good 10 years left in him too.

I understand the business aspect of turning him heel...however heel shirts sell too. WWE needs to take a chance and turn him. If it doesn't work out, turn him back after awhile. Im going to "couch book" here so Ill give you a perfect example of this...

WWE could've turned him when he joined Nexus. Have him beat down superstars, do Barrets dirty work, and have the WWE stars and fans turn on him. All the while he is plotting to take down Nexus like he said he was going to. After a month or 2, if its not working out, have him turn on Barret out of nowhere...BAM! Cena is back to being a face, the face of the company, and savior of the company.

Im tired of seeing these threads just as much as you are...but Im not here to poke fun at anyone, Im here to have some fun. Ive been a WWE/wrestling fan for over 20 years.

I think lately WWE has shifted focus on storylines and put it back on Cena. They had a GREAT storyline going in the summer...now its all but gone. Punk is in the ME with Berto after it was him that kick started the summer.

But placing focus back on Cena is weak. Ill be the first to admit that I was happy to have Rock come back. HOWEVER, I dont believe he needs to be in the WM ME. That spot should be for someone else that will be around for awhile and help them in the future.

Again...Im not a Cena hater...Im just getting tired of him being the main focus all the time.

 

[Cebeards]

Cena will stay will maintain Golden Boy status until they have a new face that can consistantly sell at a high level to the younger masses of WWE fans.

Best explanation I got...

-Most guys I see wearing wrestling shirts, over the age of 13 weird me out by their general appearance and usually smell like piss. They aren't really socially accepted...I'll stop there.

-Closet Fans, which is a lot of the IWC don't wear shirts (besides that cm punk one that you think makes you cool), we stream more PPVs than we pay for, we look at spoilers instead of waiting and watching. We really don't bring in much money, we go to shows...that's about it. To be honest, if anything, Cena is helping to bring the closet fans to shows so they can yell "CENA SUCKS!", after that little bastard kid to the immediate left who informed you earlier that you can not infact see him yells, "LET'S GO CENA!" in his pubeless girl voice.

-Kids, like wrestling, they aren't ostricized for it, they are encouraged to do it. Just like superman pajamas where the thing back in the day, Cena pajamas suffice by today's standards. CENA is sold to these kids, thats why that middle column "Closet Fans" aka "fans without curfews, blessed/cursed with that capabilities to type" boo, cause we don't believe in Superman anymore, we just wanna see Lex Luthor finally get a win over that brightly colored weirdo.

When they have a seller to cater to those little bastards, Cena will be a heel choice. Till then, they should keep their moneymaker in place.

 

[King of the Words]

Cena's character is stuck in this Superman role because it makes Vince a lot of money. If the money starts going down then you'll see him change character, but as long as Vince is raking in money off Supercena I doubt he'll change. If people really want change with Cena then don't deck your kids out in Cena gear, and bi-cot watching his matches. Then, and only then will we see a different Cena.IMO

 

[TheGamea]

I wanted to make this when cena got the belt after WM, but I forgot so here we are, when does Cena get thet belt back...if you recall he sia that his ROCK v CENA would be for the title, and when he won the title after WM, he said to thr rock it was his BDAY gift, but he droppped it so What PPV does Cena get back the title and does he keep it till WM or does he drop it and get it twice before WM OR will he even be champ come WM28...

 

[DeathClutch]

He isn't getting the belt, hense WWE taken him out of the title picture at Vengence.

Unless WWE are going to allow The Rock to win the Championship come WrestleMania then keep the belt away from the match, I understand why people think this match should be for the WWE Championship but in hindsight the belt being involved in the match will spoil the result if Cena was to win, keeping the belt away the result could go either way.

 

[Miz_Mark]

He isn't getting the belt, hense WWE taken him out of the title picture at Vengence.

Unless WWE are going to allow The Rock to win the Championship come WrestleMania then keep the belt away from the match, I understand why people think this match should be for the WWE Championship but in hindsight the belt being involved in the match will spoil the result if Cena was to win, keeping the belt away the result could go either way.

Exactly. This match does not need the WWE title, in fact, it hinders the match. Keep the title off Cena, and allow for another big time 'Mania match.