**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[Slyfox696]

So now he's got a new shirt. The good news is the color scheme is not brutal like the last couple ones. The bad news is this means the heel turn many of us are praying for won't come anytime soon. Also there is the message on the shirt: "Rise above hate." Oh SHEEEEEESH!

What's next? Training Payers Vitamins? Love thy Neighbor? Give Peace a chance? Say no to drugs? Don't be a bully, be a star? Tobacco is whacko? Safe the planet?

I'm sick of his... his GOODNESS! It makes me gag. Soon he'll start kissing babies in the crowd. Or have make-a-wish-children accompany him down to ringside.

Thing is Cena CAN have an edge. Sometimes he can make you forget that he is the perfect corporate sellout champion. He has shown it in the past. But not in a long time. He's gotten so stale it's become painful.

How awful it must be to be you. To have to go through this life with such a screwed up mentality where good has become bad and promoting positive things make you wish to lose your lunch. I daresay the fact you have such a problem with "his GOODNESS" says far more about your character, or lack thereof, than it does anything about Cena.

I've yet to figure out why it's now considered a bad thing to be an upstanding man, to be someone who can be depended and counted upon. When did society stand up and say, "You do the morally right thing? I hate you."? The words "perfect corporate sellout champion" show just how silly this mindset has become.

I think, tonight, you should put away the Japanese cartoon porn, unlock your basement bedroom door, call your grandfather and have an honest discussion with him on the importance of having character, the importance of having morals. I think it would do you a lot of good.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

I have to state, as I wasn't around when he made the initial attire change and I've only remembered to comment on it now, but personally I love the camoflauge trunks Cena is sporting instead of the jocks or whatever you call them. The denim shorts were always an eye-sore to me, this makes Cena look more like a wrestler and it reminds me of around the time of WrestleMania 23 when John was wearing near the same attire to promote The Marine.

Nice change from John, think it brings a breath of fresh air to his image.

 

[The Champ]

Sly got it right on the money, yet again. Not every face has to be a OMG BADASS who beats up whoever he wants just for the sake of doing so. Yes, along the way you will have your Austins and your Ortons and they will be successful. But what is so wrong about having a guy who fans can actually look up to as a legitimate role model? I mean, and not singling anyone out here, but I see people talking about how they can't wait to see the looks of despair on the kids' faces if Cena were to turn heel. How sick of a person do you have to be to get pleasure out of that? How can it comfort you to see a five or seven year old with a distraught look on his or her face? This doesn't apply to every Cena hater, but some of you need to look yourself and check your priorities in life, because believe it or not, they reflect in your wrestling tastes.

 

[ty2i69]

ever since rock came back, "came back", ive been all cena. i grew up with the likes of hbk, austin and rock but idk. senor cena is THE DUDE right now, working his a** off. so come WM 28 (cant wait!) ill be marking for the 5-knuckle shuffle. sorry dwayne.

 

[tnablows]

Honestly, IM NOT A TEN YEAR OLD KID, but i don't really mind Cena. In my opinion, he is actually funny. So what he is always on raw.... HE IS THE FACE OF THE COMPANY!

 

[berlinbrawler]

How awful it must be to be you. To have to go through this life with such a screwed up mentality where good has become bad and promoting positive things make you wish to lose your lunch. I daresay the fact you have such a problem with "his GOODNESS" says far more about your character, or lack thereof, than it does anything about Cena.

I've yet to figure out why it's now considered a bad thing to be an upstanding man, to be someone who can be depended and counted upon. When did society stand up and say, "You do the morally right thing? I hate you."? The words "perfect corporate sellout champion" show just how silly this mindset has become.

I think, tonight, you should put away the Japanese cartoon porn, unlock your basement bedroom door, call your grandfather and have an honest discussion with him on the importance of having character, the importance of having morals. I think it would do you a lot of good.

LOL. Someone is taking rasslin a bit too seriously, eh? Yeah, what does it say about my character that I don't like a guy on a wrestling show who preaches "give peace a chance"? Clearly I'm an awful human being.

I mean, compare Cena to, say, Stone Cold or the Rock. Could you picture either of those guys parading around in all colors of the rainbow scheme and tell people to safe the rainforrest and recycle?

My point is there is a time and place for everything, and a wrestling show is not one where I'm looking for messages that belong into Sesame Street. Obviously some people don't mind that, and good for you. I just happen to prefer my wrestlers to be aggressive violent egomaniacs.

 

[Slyfox696]

LOL. Someone is taking rasslin a bit too seriously, eh? Yeah, what does it say about my character that I don't like a guy on a wrestling show who preaches "give peace a chance"? Clearly I'm an awful human being.

I mean, compare Cena to, say, Stone Cold or the Rock. Could you picture either of those guys parading around in all colors of the rainbow scheme and tell people to safe the rainforrest and recycle?

My point is there is a time and place for everything, and a wrestling show is not one where I'm looking for messages that belong into Sesame Street. Obviously some people don't mind that, and good for you. I just happen to prefer my wrestlers to be aggressive violent egomaniacs.

And I just prefer the posters who respond to me to be have the maturity greater than a pimply 15 year old, but unfortunately we don't always get what we want.

The part I bolded just shows how silly you are, and how you seem to lack any and all concept of pro wrestling. Wrestling is about putting a good guy vs. a bad guy. It's really that simple. If everyone was an "aggressive violent egomaniac" then there would be no bad guys, and the product as a whole would suffer, just as we saw happen when Rock and Austin left, and the WWE was left in disarray from the Attitude Era, and it's lack of quality bad guys.

I find it amusing you talk about Rock and Austin, as if they have anything to do with this conversation. Here, I'll do the same thing. Can you imagine Hulk Hogan or Ricky Steamboat coming to the ring, cussing everyone, giving people the finger, telling opponents to shove things up their rectum and getting drunk in front of all the fans who loved them?

You're being stupid, and not only that, you're showing how little morality and character you seem to possess. When you actively cheer for people to be bad people, you are just another symptom of what's wrong with society. This isn't taking wrestling seriously, this is taking the current culture seriously. Your views are reflective of a certain culture which is incredibly harmful to society.

And by the way, your characterization of John Cena is completely fictitious, as I cannot recall one time where he's looked an opponent in the eyes and instead of being willing to fight him, he said "give peace a chance", or to "safe [sic] the rainforrest and recycle". I could maybe picture Ricky Steamboat saying something like that, but not John Cena. How immature you must be to literally lie in order to try and make a point, a point which shows just how immature you are.

John Cena has no problem with walking between the ropes and settling things like a man. He doesn't take the cheap way out, he doesn't sneak attack you, he meets you head on with honor, courage, and respect. He tries to do the morally right thing, and he stands up for what he believes, regardless of what it may do to his career (like his insistence on Punk's title shot, or giving Orton the pinfall over Barrett). THOSE are the kind of people our society should be celebrating. We should be celebrating the idea of being upfront and honest, meeting all challenges which come our way with unflinching determination. We should always try to do what is morally right and stand strong against those who wouldn't.

The fact someone like you finds fault in those characteristics says far more about your lack of character than it could ever possibly say about John Cena.

 

[berlinbrawler]

Dude, you need to relax. And before you keep going on about my lack of maturity I want you to consider who is the one hurling personal insults because someone doesn't share your opinion.

Yeah, yeah, Cena never said "safe the rainforest." Caught me cold. Ever heard of exaggeration? I'm referring to Cena's mottos like "Rise above hate."

(And btw, I can indeed imagine Hulk Hogan coming to the ring and cussing out everyone, because he actually used to do that (if not as colorfully as Stone Cold). Incidentally I liked him better when he did that. What can I say, I've always felt more drawn to the heels.)

Thanks, too, for the explanation of wrestling 101, by the way. Damn, those of us who actually liked the times when things weren't as black & white really are total morons.

Also please get off your high horse diagnosing major character flaws or "what's wrong in society" because there are people who actually like the bad guys in wrestling. Hello? Wrestling is fake. It's entertainment. Like in the movies. Darth Vader, Michael Corleone and Hannibal Lecter have a lot of fans, that doesn't mean those fans would approve of such people in real life.

And I call Cena a corporate sellout because he's covered head to toe in WWE merchandise. I grant that this applies to many wrestlers, but with Cena it's just so blatantly obvious it aggravates me, ok?

John Cena has no problem with walking between the ropes and settling things like a man. He doesn't take the cheap way out, he doesn't sneak attack you, he meets you head on with honor, courage, and respect. He tries to do the morally right thing, and he stands up for what he believes, regardless of what it may do to his career (like his insistence on Punk's title shot, or giving Orton the pinfall over Barrett). THOSE are the kind of people our society should be celebrating. We should be celebrating the idea of being upfront and honest, meeting all challenges which come our way with unflinching determination. We should always try to do what is morally right and stand strong against those who wouldn't.

The fact someone like you finds fault in those characteristics says far more about your lack of character than it could ever possibly say about John Cena.

Look man, if you can't grasp the concept of not liking a preachy, perfect, holier than thou little goody two shoes I can't help you. I never liked Super Man either for the same reason. He always does the right thing, tells the truth and stands up for what he believes in. I'm sure he's going to heaven. But he's also one-dimensional, utterly predictable and boring as hell.

Show me a real life person who displays these characteristics and I will admire that person. It's no coincidence that I have Mahatma Ghandi as my Avatar. But I like wrestling because of the action, not because I'm looking for moral guidelines or role models or whatever. Characters like Cena bore me, simple as that. If you can't deal with that feel free to hurl some more insults my way.

 

[Slyfox696]

feel free to hurl some more insults my way

Thanks, I will, though I didn't really need your permission to do so.

Dude, you need to relax.

I assure you I'm perfectly relaxed. I'm just pointing out the dearth of your personal morality.

And before you keep going on about my lack of maturity I want you to consider who is the one hurling personal insults because someone doesn't share your opinion.

I don't hurl insults, I'm telling the truth. Your mentality is quite immature, and you're saying stupid things. Not because you don't agree with me, but because you're saying stupid things. Why is there such a mentality on the Internet that any opinion is valid? God, I hate that.

Yeah, yeah, Cena never said "safe the rainforest." Caught me cold. Ever heard of exaggeration?

That's not an exaggeration. An exaggeration takes something with a bit of truth and stretches it. You just flat out lied. So when I call you a liar from now on, you can rest assured it's not me hurling insults. That makes you feel better, right?

I'm referring to Cena's mottos like "Rise above hate."

Yes, what an awful message to send or value in life. How dare people like me celebrate one who doesn't quit doing what's right just because a bunch of morons don't like it?

(And btw, I can indeed imagine Hulk Hogan coming to the ring and cussing out everyone, because he actually used to do that (if not as colorfully as Stone Cold). Incidentally I liked him better when he did that. What can I say, I've always felt more drawn to the heels.)

First of all, I said Hulk Hogan, not Hollywood Hogan. Second of all, Hollywood Hogan didn't cuss people out either. He mocked and belittled them, but I'm not sure he ever used a word more harsh than "kick your butt".

Thanks, too, for the explanation of wrestling 101, by the way. Damn, those of us who actually liked the times when things weren't as black & white really are total morons.

Indeed you are. This time you are hurling your own insults at yourself.

Wrestling doesn't have to be black and white, but it has to be good vs evil. It's the whole point of pro wrestling. If your good guys are "bad", then what do you do to have bad guys? As I said, it's the reason the Attitude Era left the wrestling business in such disarray. Make no mistake about it, the Attitude Era didn't draw, sex, shock value and Austin/Rock drew. When wrestling was not longer shocking, when we became numb to the sex, and when Austin and Rock left, ratings were cut in half in a year or two.

Pro wrestling 101.

Also please get off your high horse diagnosing major character flaws or "what's wrong in society" because there are people who actually like the bad guys in wrestling.

Get off my high horse? No. I'll stay right where I'm at, because the idea people could cheer for evil reflects poorly on people.

Hello? Wrestling is fake.

No, it's scripted. Big difference.

It's entertainment.

And entertainment has arguably the greatest hold over society of any other aspect of society. Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire, Alex Rodriguez makes more money in three pitches than teachers across the country do in a single year, millions of people watch Kim Kardashian's $5 million wedding (a marriage which lasted less than three months). And that's just in America. I can't speak for other countries, since I don't live there, but I do know soccer teams are signing preteens, the Royal Wedding was watched by millions around the world, etc.

This world loves its entertainment, and is so easily influenced by it. To suggest otherwise is just silly. And to say we should ignore values and morals because it is "entertainment" is asinine, especially considering the number of easily influenced children who grow up watching pro wrestling.

And I call Cena a corporate sellout because he's covered head to toe in WWE merchandise. I grant that this applies to many wrestlers, but with Cena it's just so blatantly obvious it aggravates me, ok?

So he wears what his bosses want him to wear to work, and that's a sellout? I pity your future job aspirations, because I doubt there are many jobs out there in which you get to wear whatever you want to work, regardless of what your bosses tell you to wear.

Look man, if you can't grasp the concept of not liking a preachy, perfect, holier than thou little goody two shoes I can't help you.

No, I grasp the concept just fine. The problem here isn't what I can grasp, but the fact YOU don't grasp how it demonstrates a lack of morals and values to celebrate the evil person over the one who does what's right.

I get people who don't like the good guys...I call those people bereft of quality morals and values.

But he's also one-dimensional, utterly predictable and boring as hell.

As are 95% of the heels in wrestling. What does being a good guy have to do with that?

Show me a real life person who displays these characteristics and I will admire that person.

John Cena.

Not the character, the person. Feel free to begin admiring.

But I like wrestling because of the action, not because I'm looking for moral guidelines or role models or whatever. Characters like Cena bore me, simple as that. If you can't deal with that

Yeah, your A and your B have nothing to do with C. John Cena provides plenty of great action, as evidenced by his great matches over the years. So obviously you DON'T like wrestling because of the action, you like wrestling for the ones who show little morals. For guys who don't make you sick of their goodness.

Goodness sickens you. Think about what that says about you.

 

[berlinbrawler]

Sigh. I can't even tell if your comments are tongue-in-cheek and you're just having a little fun here or if you're really such a piece of work. You remind me a little of them oh-so-tolerant, good, moral God-fearing Christians who don't see the error in bombing abortion clinics because of their steadfast conviction that they're in the right.

But you are indeed right. I concede. I am an evil person. White meat babyfaces like John Cena make me sick. I even rejoice when those guys turn to the dark side because there is a despicable part of me that feels they actually gain depth in doing so. (Imagine that, I like bad R-Truth much better than the guy who had nothing to say but "What's up.") I feel highly entertained by evil sociopaths like Kane, the Miz or Chris Jericho and I preferred guys like Randy Orton in their heel roles. I, and anyone with similar sentiments, am the scum of society who would rather club a baby seal than help an old lady across the street!!! How can I even sleep at night?

Oddly enough I wasn't amused when Mike Tyson bit off Evander Holyfield's ear or when Zinédine Zidane headbutted his way out of the World Cup finals. For some weird reason I don't approve of such a lack of sportsmanship in real life despite the blackness of my soul. Only in fictional settings do I find such things entertaining. What a hypocrite I am.
I even strongly dislike child molesters or murderers despite them clearly being evil, the quality I so openly profess to liking in a wrestling show. I also don't approve when wrestlers snap and kill their families. All that despite me cheering evil in wrestling all the time. It's like I can't make up my mind.

As for admiring the real John Cena rather than the character, I do that. I respect the man. Great hard working man who does a lot of great things for charity and makes a lot of people happy and has carried the WWE product for years. Through and through he seems to be a nice guy. It is very admirable and I give credit where it's due.
But I'm still sick and tired of his stale TV character. Like I said I make a distinction between real life and a rasslin show. How did CM Punk sarcastically put it a while back? "Look everyone, John Cena wants another title match!" My sentiments exactly. Seen that aplenty. Ready for something fresh.

Oh, and I'm sorry for lying about the rainforest thing. You're right that there is no way I could have been trying to exaggerate when I suggested Cena would come out and tell people to safe the rainforest and recycle. How stupid of me to think I could get away with telling such obvious untruths.

Hello? Wrestling is fake.

No, it's scripted. Big difference.

*FACEPALM* Whatever, man.

I said Hulk Hogan, not Hollywood Hogan.

*FACEPALM#2* My sincerest apologies. Sigh. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to stoop down to your level after all and call you names. You're a NERD, man! I guess to some degree all wrestling fans are, but you're in that upper echelon. Congrats.

Anyhoo I'm done with this discussion. It's dangerously close to getting off-topic anyway. It was fun for a while but now I must take your advice and get back to watching my Japanese cartoon porn before my grandfather calls me back on that morality talk. Maybe he'll cite John Cena as the sort of person I should aspire to be some day.

Peace out, man, and don't take wrestling or discussions about it too seriously.

 

[bongorider]

Don't they realize the best way to sabotage every Cena segment would be to start a "boring" chant, be silent, or at LEAST do the "What" chant, no one EVER chants "What!" at Cena for some reason.

Another thing; "Duelling chants":
Let me break this down. A 4 syllable chant such as "let's go Cena" needs a pause for the "clap clap clapclapclap". Those Cena fans have to leave a pause for their chant to work. The Cena haters use this pause to chant "Cena sucks". Ok that's fine.
But "Cena sucks", does not need a pause, it can be chanted continuously in a loop. And even when this chant starts FIRST, the Cena haters politely begin to leave a pause to accommodate the Cena fans. Then we have the emergence of the duelling chant. Now when the anti-Cena fans have a huge volume advantage (even at MITB this happened) why do we still get a duelling chant? Why don't they just continue their own chant in a loop and drown out the Cena fans?

The duelling chant is like tangible justification for the amount of exposure John Cena receives. It is the embodiment of his "controversy". Every time you hear it, it's just more evidence that this guy gets way more of a reaction that anyone else.

Right so back to the topic. Why don't these people use more effective chants ("boring", "what" as discussed), and why do they allow a duelling chant even when they have a volume advantage?

There are only 2 possible conclusions:

1. These people don't really dislike Cena or think he is over-exposed. They are just playing along and acting as if he is a heel, they love the interactions with the Cenation and support Cena's position in the company by continuing to do their part to fuel the controversy.
As the saying goes, they "love to hate" John Cena.

2. These people genuinely dislike Cena, they think he is over-exposed, stale, etc. But are simply too stupid to mount an effective protest.

 

[Ellye]

Only silly smarks say they "hate" John Cena. Mostly because it's "cool" to hate the top guy that the company obviously want you to cheer (and this logic was probably part of the reason that the dueling chants gimmick was born - and yes, it is a gimmick, one that the crowds plays along as intended).

Say what you might about John Cena, but denying his ability to work the crowd would be downright silly. The guy is fantastic at that, and he'll keep receiving those mixed chants for pretty much as long as he wants to.

 

[H33LTurn]

Only silly smarks say they "hate" John Cena. Mostly because it's "cool" to hate the top guy that the company obviously want you to cheer

I hate comments like this because they completely discredit the fan. People have a right to genuinely dislike something, not just because its "cool" but because of personal preference. I dont hate Cena, I used to, but he just seems more interesting to me all the sudden and I think it has to do with him not being the centerpiece of RAW anymore coupled with him getting a sort of edge back when he speaks. When people get serious about disliking Cena they'll stop buying him merch and they simply wont boo him, they'll just downright have no reaction to what he says or does. The reason Cena wont be depushed or turned heel is because hes already made WWE a significant amount of money and as long as they get a reaction because of him, whether good or bad, they can milk it to their advantage. Its the same reason they've stuck with Michael Cole.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Some other ideas:

1) Go to the bathroom, merchandise table or food concessions
2) While staying silent, turn around
3) Chant "Change the channel"
4) Chant "Cena's adequate" or "Cena's fine" or "Cena's meh" during the requisite "Let's Go Cena! - Cena Sucks!"

What the OP is saying is totally true. If people are so sick of Cena they have so many more options than chanting "Cena Sucks!". They are a loud powerful contingent but haven't done much of anything to get WWE to change anything.

 

[Skinsley]

Nobody hates Cena... Some, like myself. Just Hate the way WWE utilises him.

Superhuman, constantly in the title picture...never taps out....overall good guy American Patriot.
But when he does something good....like throw ring steps at Alberto Del Rio in order to inform him he will be competing in a Last Man standing match..... we like it and hope that he will be having a slight change in character and aggression.... and then next week we are treated to the same Old Same Old.

All I want is Cena to keep his nose out of the Title picture for a while and go on a loosing streak....or at the very least tap out from excrutiating pain once in a while. Just be beatable!

 

[Azane]

It's usually a Loud minority, there are cases where there's genuinely more people antiCena than proCena. In most cases, you're expecting 10k+ random strangers to unite in silence, silence doesn't happen at a tv taping very often, No matter who's fighting, a true fan is being loud, cheering, booing, Awwwwing, what have you. WWE is better for having Cena than having a void, when he eventually turns heel he'll be cheered and people will start "When will he turn Face" posts.

Cena coaxed the "let's go Cena, Cena sucks!" chant himself, and the argument ignores that over half the people are double chanting (Watch random front row mouths, they chant both parts) and also the "CENA SUCKS" being grown men on average make twice the noise from half the people.

The feeling of being live, versus yelling at your TV is so different, that you get caught up in the chants.

 

[Danielson_Gr]

Most people they don't hate him but they are tired of him and his character...

it's been 8 years straight being a good guy with super-powers....

I think that they can do better than that with him and for us the fans to see something different and Cena...

 

[bongorider]

It's usually a Loud minority, there are cases where there's genuinely more people antiCena than proCena. In most cases, you're expecting 10k+ random strangers to unite in silence, silence doesn't happen at a tv taping very often, No matter who's fighting, a true fan is being loud, cheering, booing, Awwwwing, what have you. WWE is better for having Cena than having a void, when he eventually turns heel he'll be cheered and people will start "When will he turn Face" posts.

Cena coaxed the "let's go Cena, Cena sucks!" chant himself, and the argument ignores that over half the people are double chanting (Watch random front row mouths, they chant both parts) and also the "CENA SUCKS" being grown men on average make twice the noise from half the people.

The feeling of being live, versus yelling at your TV is so different, that you get caught up in the chants.

Fair point about silence. but no boring or what chants remain inexplicable if the hatred is genuine. The second half of your post you seem to be trying to disagree with me, but you are actually just confirming conclusion #1 of my original post.

 

[Ellye]

I hate comments like this because they completely discredit the fan. People have a right to genuinely dislike something, not just because its "cool" but because of personal preference.

Disliking him? Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I like him myself, but I can fully understand why someone would dislike him (or his gimmick, or the way he's used, etcetera).
Notice that my comment was directed to a quote with the word "hate" - it's a big part of the reason why I said those people are just silly.

Anyway, regarding the double chants, I also agree with what was mentioned a few posts ago: many fans do both parts of the chants.

 

[RD_21]

Same difference really, the issue is how the crowd expresses their supposed discontent. If it is a genuine feeling, they are doing a bad job of protesting.

You couldn't be more wrong about it. At home I will fast foward his segment or switch channel but when I am there, if I remain silent half the people will still cheer him so the only way the other half can show his disdain for the way he is used is to boo him or say Cena sucks.

And WHAT THE FLUX is wrong with people in this board. Why do we always have to be discredited or call name if we don't like Cena. You don't see Cena "haters" start thread trying to CONVINCE his fans to hate him but all his fans can't seem to stand that some people are tired of his act and it's even more annoying.

I, like in MYSELF and I don't care about ANYONE ELSE, don't like Cena because he is BEYOND STALE, I am tired of his acts, his antics and his superman routine and I don't care whether you or anyone else can't deal with it, why can't we just be tired of him without having another thread pop up every day trying to tell us we are wrong.

I don't HATE Cena because the man seems like a genuinly good person but I hate the character, not because it's cool but because that's how I feel, PERIOD.

very good thread good points im not sure why the crowds dont chant boring or change the channel but from now on i hope they do

The problem is that you are making the bad assumption that people who hate Cena are only Internet smarks when it's clearly not the case since we supposely represent only 10% of the public, yet there's usually 50% of the people who boo him everywhere. If there 3 people on this forums try to do a boring chant they will be drown in the Let's go Cena, Cena sucks chant.

And people are also making the assumption that we can change Vince mind on the subject by acting differently, we can't because 50% of the people still like him and Vince prefer to listen to them because they bring him money and there's nothing wrong with it. Cena will only change once he realise (if it's the case) that he can do more money with a different Cena or if arena start to become empty, the PPV buys drop and the ratings drop... oh wait...

 

[King of the Words]

Cena never really brings anything new to the table. Basically, the same character since he turned face in late 2003, I believe. They get are hopes up that he'll turn heel to sell PPV's like last years Survivor Series where he had to turn heel or Quit and really nothing came out of it. When he was fired he was in it more than ever. I dislike how the WWE is treating their older fans. Constantly insulting their intelligence with trying to make us think cena is just about to change soon, then as time goes, he stays pretty much the same. I know he is a modern day Hogan for the kids, but I believe, for the majority of adults, watching him do the same thing week after week is mind-numbing. We'd like a little more creativity from him and the writers. Give us our money's worth if Cena is going stay the main character or second main character for the for seeable future.

 

[punchline]

Cena will only change once he realise (if it's the case) that he can do more money with a different Cena or if arena start to become empty, the PPV buys drop and the ratings drop... oh wait...

I usually don't like getting into Cena debates as my preference of him is very middle-of-the-road. But, unless i misunderstood your post, you cant really be saying that the ratings these days are as low as they are because of Cena can you?

Because whether you love or hate the man, you have to agree that if he was gone, there would be a significant decrease in ratings. Half the universe loves him, the other half doesn't but they still watch. I'm not saying that that rating would plummet to the point of no return, or that they wouldn't eventually come back up on the back of someone else, but you have to admit that Cena only helps ratings.

Look at Smackdown as a possible comparison. everyone from Triple H to Undertaker have been the top guy on that show, but the Current Cena hasn't. If he ever was, i think alot of the kids would flip over on friday nights and boost their ratings as well.

 

[akrassikauda]

Nobody hates Cena... Some, like myself. Just Hate the way WWE utilises him.

Superhuman, constantly in the title picture...never taps out....overall good guy American Patriot.
But when he does something good....like throw ring steps at Alberto Del Rio in order to inform him he will be competing in a Last Man standing match..... we like it and hope that he will be having a slight change in character and aggression.... and then next week we are treated to the same Old Same Old.

All I want is Cena to keep his nose out of the Title picture for a while and go on a loosing streak....or at the very least tap out from excrutiating pain once in a while. Just be beatable!

Hogan-Superhuman always in the title picture never tapped out overall good guy American Patriot.One of the only few times I can recall HBK and HHH tapping out was to.....Cena. Austin and Rocky only tapped out to Angle. It's very tough to have a character tap out when part of the gimmick is never give up and still have him look believable.

So you haven't been paying attention to all the battles with Big Show,Edge,Orton,JBL,Batista were he gets down right vicious and even then he had the Hustle Loyalty Respect moniker, and guess what he lost most of those matches.

That's smart business to keep the face of the company out of the title picture and him not being beatable uhm hate to break the bad news to you but if Cena is a 10+ title holder that means he's lost a title 10+ times which makes him look pretty beatable to me.

 

[akrassikauda]

I usually don't like getting into Cena debates as my preference of him is very middle-of-the-road. But, unless i misunderstood your post, you cant really be saying that the ratings these days are as low as they are because of Cena can you?

Because whether you love or hate the man, you have to agree that if he was gone, there would be a significant decrease in ratings. Half the universe loves him, the other half doesn't but they still watch. I'm not saying that that rating would plummet to the point of no return, or that they wouldn't eventually come back up on the back of someone else, but you have to admit that Cena only helps ratings.

Look at Smackdown as a possible comparison. everyone from Triple H to Undertaker have been the top guy on that show, but the Current Cena hasn't. If he ever was, i think alot of the kids would flip over on friday nights and boost their ratings as well.

I do remember a few years back Cena was hurt and the ratings for RAW suffered in his absence. He came back prematurely at the Royal Rumble and today is still dealing with some of those same nagging injuries.

Smackdown to me had the two best things going for them at that time Triple H wrestling and JR commentating. When the draft took place and Cena was selected early at first I said great Smackdown is going to be great again but then I reminded myself it's too early he's not going anywhere just like HHH the first time but if and when it happens it'll be great because whenever he makes an appearance on Smackdown you don't feel the hate that you get from the RAW crowd.

 

[XXJJ]

I disagree Cena would increase SD ratings. The reason they dont put Cena on SD is because they dont want the face of the company on the less popular show. Unless they changed channels and are on a different night... I dont think Cena would increase SD ratings by much.