**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[grantedisme]

From top to bottom this WM sucked last like it has pretty much for the last 10 years. The only advantage this WM had over the past 10 is the anticipation of its main event. Otherwise the card was horrible, the crowd was not into this event until the main event and unfortunately the Rock blew up which resulted in a poor match.

I can’t believe how dead the crowd was (I’m looking at you Taker, HHH and Punk) as nobody cared until main event time.

Since the Rock is not full time there are no other true stars except Cena to carry the ball. Wrestling is defiantly dying out. There were only two true eras of wrestling – The 80’s Hogan era and the Stone Cold / Rock attitude era. Everything else really sucks. Very sad day as a wrestling fan when this is the best the product can offer.

I'm sorry that I feel the need to open this statement, but your entire post was bullshit. The crowd wasn't as good as Chicago, but that's because it's Miami. As I understand from having watched the Dophins and Heat, Miami fans aren't very lively or.. well.. good. For a Miami crowd, this is close to as good as it gets.

If you are putting any of this blame on Taker, HHH, and Punk, I'm guessing you simply read the results and comment sections of the article. Taker, HHH, Punk, Jericho, Cena, a rusty Rock, Orton, and Kane were amazing and did everything they could to put themselves, their opponents, and their matches over with the crowd. I don't think that any actual fan of wrestling who watched the PPV would disagree with that.

If you want to respond to this by saying that it's just your opinion, and to each his own, I'm going to say no. Your opinion regarding this is baseless, stupid, and should be kept to yourself in the future. I sincerely hope that you are ashamed of yourself for having posted what you did.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

this doesnt surprise me cenas a huge name in the wrestling world and there for is a huge name in the entertainment business of course people want him to be in movies its good to see hes so commited to the business i give him alot of respect for that hes not that good of a actor in his movies anyway so hes better off sticking with wwe.

 

[TheExceLLenceOfExecution]

not a fan of the character he portrays.. but i totally respect him.. he is the best worker in the business for sure

 

[Huey]

From top to bottom this WM sucked last like it has pretty much for the last 10 years. The only advantage this WM had over the past 10 is the anticipation of its main event. Otherwise the card was horrible, the crowd was not into this event until the main event and unfortunately the Rock blew up which resulted in a poor match.

I can’t believe how dead the crowd was (I’m looking at you Taker, HHH and Punk) as nobody cared until main event time.

Since the Rock is not full time there are no other true stars except Cena to carry the ball. Wrestling is defiantly dying out. There were only two true eras of wrestling – The 80’s Hogan era and the Stone Cold / Rock attitude era. Everything else really sucks. Very sad day as a wrestling fan when this is the best the product can offer.

It's hard to tell how into it the crowd is when they're in outdoor stadiums like that. I'm not saying the crowd was extremely hot, but if every fan was 100 percent in it I don't think it would've came across that way in an open air stadium like that.

I enjoyed the HHH/Taker match the most and CM Punk/Jericho did a great job but I had probably unreal expectations for it. Starting the show with a 12 second WHC squash was dumb. Unless someone was injured or is getting fired tomorrow there's just not a lot of explanation that I can accept to change my mind on that. Regardless of the story I refuse to believe there's not a better way they could've got there.

I think The Rock/Cena are both capable of having a better match than they did with each other. I didn't really care who won but I won't fault the WWE for giving the Miami fans what they wanted in The Rock winning. THOSE fans got what they wanted and were sent home happy.

 

[stevieg786]

I can't keep these thoughts in my head.

Think about it.

What if carrot top annonced that he was going to turn down some major movie roles so he could stick to prop comedy at Vegas casinos?

What if tebow announced that he was turning down some major movie roles so he could stick to being a Jet?

My point is, john cena the movie star is an even bigger lost fucking cause than john cena the athletic performer. If john cena had the ability to be a marketable and versitile actor, he would be doing that full fucking time. He has to fall back on being in the wwe because quite frankly, vince can't go a single fucking night without his *****. Remember when he took time off to do the marine? He took time off to do a fucking movie, which is the basis for his entire argument against rock.

Pretty much, which is why i thought Cena's whole 'argument' against Rock in their feud was pathetic.

 

[MissLeigh80]

I personally was not happy with the outcome; John had much more to gain than The Rock but of course considering Dwayne was in his hometown of course he was gonna win. While yes John took time of to make a movie, he didn't leave for a whole bunch of years like Rock did ~ he remained with the WWE universe and has always been there busting his ass off for the fans. I'll always be a bigger fan of John Cena than I ever will be of Dwayne Johnson!

 

[MaverickAZ]

don't think they can just throw him back into the title picture, with Punk retaining, thats been done, unless Cena is heel. Even then im not sure it would work. Cena-Punk, IMO, just dont mesh well together.

Cena could go start becoming a heel. Maybe a slow build until they find the right program for him?

Cena stays true to his character, but then who does he fued with next??

I honestly think the BEST thing Cena could do is.................


take time off


I really believe the business can only thrive with him "away" for awhile. His character is 100% stale, if they truly stand by him staying face. Let him rest up for a bit, and come back fresh. THen you can keep him face, and maybe a slight tweak in his character. Fans need a break, i think Cena needs one too. Perfect time for it

This gives Punk the chance to run with the ball, with Ziggler, Jericho, Miz, Del Rio, Barrett, and maybe even Cody Rhodes to feud with

 

[gurvinder372]

I read on internet that Cena tried to mock Rock's people elbow, and paid the price. I sense that storyline would go as potential Humility lesson for Cena, and Cena will now have to rebuild everything again.

I don't think Cena is going to go away. He will be coming on each and every RAW trying to come in terms with the colossal loss he has been handed over by Rock, with a burning desire to make things right for himself which is screwed in the crucial moment of the match.

 

[Cenaisboring]

Read the forums yeas ago and just made an account because i wanted peoples opinion on this...

I keep watching the last 4-5 minutes and that ending just has me wondering. Was there a screwjob involved?

1 - Cena is a horrible actor and he really looked surprised when rock kicked out that last time.

2 - Cena did a half assed people's elbow attempt after possibly realizing they were off script. It was so half assed it was like a FU to Vince.

3 - The rock and the ref. You see the Rock say thank you to him, give him a casual slap on the hand but the ref looked somewhat confused.

I hate Cena so I could care less, but I really wanted The Rock to get a clean win if this was the direction they wanted to take Cena's character. Raw is going to be very interesting this coming Monday. I wonder if Vince plans to be in attendance.

4 - It's a good possibility they had a last minute change of script and they all knew about it if the ref signaled something. He did this weird stare at Cena towards the end. Maybe they were afraid the Miami crowd would really riot and they didn't want bad pub since their product is already fading away. This probably makes the most sense and the last 5 minutes was all impromptu.

THOUGHTS?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Read the forums yeas ago and just made an account because i wanted peoples opinion on this...

I keep watching the last 4-5 minutes and that ending just has me wondering. Was there a screwjob involved?

1 - Cena is a horrible actor and he really looked surprised when rock kicked out that last time.

2 - Cena did a half assed people's elbow attempt after possibly realizing they were off script. It was so half assed it was like a FU to Vince.

3 - The rock and the ref. You see the Rock say thank you to him, give him a casual slap on the hand but the ref looked somewhat confused.

I hate Cena so I could care less, but I really wanted The Rock to get a clean win if this was the direction they wanted to take Cena's character. Raw is going to be very interesting this coming Monday. I wonder if Vince plans to be in attendance.

4 - It's a good possibility they had a last minute change of script and they all knew about it if the ref signaled something. He did this weird stare at Cena towards the end. Maybe they were afraid the Miami crowd would really riot and they didn't want bad pub since their product is already fading away. This probably makes the most sense and the last 5 minutes was all impromptu.

THOUGHTS?

So, you hate Cena SOOO much and "he is boring" (your name) to you. Right? Then why did you create an account expressing it and make TWO of the same posts expressing it and why did you watch a show with him and why have you followed the product for so long? Are you too dumb to not watch and not get on the computer and do all of this stuff? Or is he actually a heel to you?

Miami wouldn't actually riot, their fans don't care that much. Miami has notoriously lazy fans, they just show up when something is popular.

Also, as I responded to your other post, the product isn't fading, look at the hard numbers not just RATINGZ. Wrestlemania alone tonight set 3 records. I wish I could have a "fading" live entertainment product that can draw 80,000 fans.

 

[mholly32]

Definitely expecting either a WM29 or Summerslam rematch, taking into consideration what happens on tonight's RAW with rumors of either a Batista or Lesnar return. Also a possible title run in the lead up to the next 'Mania is possible, feuding with ADR or CM Punk or Y2J wouldn't surprise me.

Let's see what happens tonight before we make any real predictions!

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

From top to bottom this WM sucked last like it has pretty much for the last 10 years. The only advantage this WM had over the past 10 is the anticipation of its main event. Otherwise the card was horrible, the crowd was not into this event until the main event and unfortunately the Rock blew up which resulted in a poor match.

I can’t believe how dead the crowd was (I’m looking at you Taker, HHH and Punk) as nobody cared until main event time.

Since the Rock is not full time there are no other true stars except Cena to carry the ball. Wrestling is defiantly dying out. There were only two true eras of wrestling – The 80’s Hogan era and the Stone Cold / Rock attitude era. Everything else really sucks. Very sad day as a wrestling fan when this is the best the product can offer.

WWe is "defiantly" dying out? So it's putting up a fight? What the fuck are you trying to say? Are you trying to say that it's dying out? Because 80,000 people, 3 records broken, consistently being a top 3 ratings getter, a top viewer/members getter in other mediums, and drawing something like 2,000,000 people a year in live events say otherwise.

The crowd wasn't dead, your brain is. The crowd was HOT for sooooo much of the action. It's an outdoor arena, the sound isn't as quickly heard or as loudly heard at the center because it travels out.

If you have the time to type up all of this about how much it sucked (and you seem to do this regularly) then you should probably stop watching. If it's "defiantly dying" or whatever and you hated what most others think is a pretty good product, maybe it's just not for you? I don't watch Jersey shore, I don't constantly talk about it, it's only an example I use for people like you.

Punk vs Jericho, HHH vs Taker, and Cena vs Rock were all top quality matches in 3 very different ways. The rest of the show was at least average. A solid undercard with 3 top quality matches of a variety of styles is a pretty good show to most wrestling fans. Then again, you aren't a wrestling fan. You're a wannabe smark hipster fuck who likes to bitch about everything because you think it makes you look cool. When in fact, you look lame. Why the fuck would you, if you truly hate it, spend the time to come on these boards and bitch and moan about it?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

The whole "Cena would be a movie star if he could be" thing is such bullshit.

MANY studies have shown that after a certain dollar amount, it doesn't matter. It's the implicit things. It's why athletes will take a pay cut to play for a manager they like or a team with a chance to win. It's why my girlfriends mom took a pay cut (to have a job she enjoyed more). Once you are making a comfortable amount, the money doesn't matter. Cena stays with wrestling because he loves it. He gets all those implicit benefits from it.

Just face it, people, and I'd even say most people, aren't like you guys. Most people are loyal and hard working and not money-driven. At least not once they're making over 40,000 a year (according to the studies).

I don't know about you, but if you said I could either be a pro wrestler or a movie star, I'd be a pro wrestler. In fact, I'd rather be a top tier indy guy than the biggest movie star in the world. I love pro wrestling.

 

[con-chair-to]

I don't agree with those who are saying that match was horrible but when something has that much hype behind it; of course some will be let down.

I am a huge Rock fan and I am glad he won but I was positive Cena was going to win last night. And after the pinfall, I felt good for the Rock but I also felt a little bad for John because a part of me felt like it should have been his moment.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I don't agree with those who are saying that match was horrible but when something has that much hype behind it; of course some will be let down.

I am a huge Rock fan and I am glad he won but I was positive Cena was going to win last night. And after the pinfall, I felt good for the Rock but I also felt a little bad for John because a part of me felt like it should have been his moment.

I don't understand the people who thought it was a bad match. It was a pretty long match with great false finishes, great character work, Cena's storytelling of trying to wind the rock and being smart enough to use holds where Rock can breath. Pretty unpredictable finish, apeshit crowd. What the fuck more do people want?

 

[cenationseattle]

I am very unhappy with the ending of the match. Instead of having Cena win (like he should have) Vince let's Rock win because it's Rock and Rock should just pass the torch to Cena and let it be but because he is an egotistacial douchebag he couldn't do it. When Rock and Hogan faced off Hogan jobbed to Rock at Mania 18 and Rock should have followed suit.

 

[Mustang Sally]

To those of you who thought the match was bad, I'm wondering what they could have done to make it "good" in your eyes. Cena and Rock did what they do, what we would expect them to do......and they did it very well. I was surprised Rock was as effective as he was; I was figuring he'd have a decade's worth of rust. And Cena is Cena....at the top of his game and going strong.

I have no problem with Rock winning the match although I think having the newer generation take the mantle from the old would have served WWE better. In retrospect, the big clue to it all was that the match was being held in Rock's home town. He was going to win, as evidenced by the sign that said: "If Cena Wins, We Riot." The die had been cast long before that point.

The good thing is that Cena's standing in the pro wrestling world hasn't been damaged by losing to the "part-time" wrestler. I imagine the company is going to take Cena in a new direction at this point, whether it be as a heel or face. Either way, there's tons to look forward to.

 

[avi01]

It was what it was supposed to be. A match that relied on the crowd and it was electric. A very good match. Rock winning is a surprise but a pleasant one to me. Had Cena won that, that crowd would booed the living hell out of him. WWE always try to keep the crowd happy at the end of such spectacle..the crowd went bananas when Rock won. People should stop over-think the whole part timer, parsing the torch thing...wwe wanted to create something big, created it and kept most of the fans happy. I think there is a rematch down the road now, so a Rock win makes sense. I thought Cena sold it well last night..they both did great and delivered. I don`t think the rivalry can take another year build up for a rematch tho, that is a bad idea. It will happen this year itself imo. I think it has already been mentioned, all 3 main events were great, it different form...one was great at being hard hitting and emotional, the other at being technically neat and finally Rock-Cena at being epic in front of an electric crowd. It is not easy to have the crowd so much into the match after such a long show.

 

[[cL]]

So here's the thing.
I over the past year or so, have had a change of opinion as it relates to John Cena, the person.
I still don't enjoy his character and I DO still feel he could use a little freshening up in various areas but I understand his contribution to the business in its entirety. His contributions outside of the business ala make a wish is what really changed my opinion. Its one thing to hear and read that it happens but its completely different to actually see it happen and I have. So my opinion of him has changed.
All that being said,
I'M SO HAPPY ROCK WON LAST NIGHT.
All THAT being said,
as much of a Rock fan as I am, I really thought Vince was gonna have Cena go over. I mean, thats the goose that lays the golden eggs around here so even though they were in Miami, it seemed to make logical business sense to me...but then again, having the fans go home happy makes great immediate business sense. Vince did what was good for the moment. If it was a great overall business decision....we will have to wait and see.
As for the match itself...
I watched the match as most of you did...Listen. This man is 40 years old. Before this match he has only been in one match in the past 8 years. He hasn't been in a match of this magnitude since WMX8. OF COURSE he's rusty!
But he worked a great match. I'm not gonna say Cena carried the match. I think they both did their parts well. I watched this match and maybe i'm bias here but I saw maybe 3 or 4 botched moves but they weren't all Rock. (Cena botched the double clothesline and that last Rock bottom. not sure if Rock just kipped up and landed in the wrong place or Cena just ran into him but it looked like it was Cena's fault) To me, they both seemed to be working a bit stiff but I attributed that to the fact that though they are professionals they still really don't like each other.
People saying it was a bad match were looking through wrestling lenses nitpicking every little thing. It was a great match. Great outcome and I'm looking forward to Raw.

 

[jrichardson25]

So here's the thing.
Cena botched the double clothesline and that last Rock bottom. not sure if Rock just kipped up and landed in the wrong place or Cena just ran into him but it looked like it was Cena's fault

I didn't see a botch... sure you saw the same match? The Rock Bottom was sudden and you could tell both guys were spent. That isn't a botch. It was a tired, last resort Rock Bottom. In fact it was a better Rock Bottom than the ones he's done recently...

NOW on to my opinion...

Initial reaction was: Great... your top guy lost to a part timer that hasn't been at Mania since 2004... good job... makes your whole brand look weak in the process... but I know there are two reasons why Rock went over... 1) they didn't need a Miami riot... 2) the war isn't over.

The match was solid. It was what I expected. It matched up well and made both men look really good. I expect some sort of resolution from it tonight.

As for Cena. He needs to have some time off. The company can float without him there. Give him a month or two to relax and he'll come back stronger. No heel turn is necessary. He is showing heelish tendencies because of that match. They're gone now and he'll be back to the regular guy soon...

 

[FarFromFine]

WWe is "defiantly" dying out? So it's putting up a fight? What the fuck are you trying to say? Are you trying to say that it's dying out? Because 80,000 people, 3 records broken, consistently being a top 3 ratings getter, a top viewer/members getter in other mediums, and drawing something like 2,000,000 people a year in live events say otherwise.

The crowd wasn't dead, your brain is. The crowd was HOT for sooooo much of the action. It's an outdoor arena, the sound isn't as quickly heard or as loudly heard at the center because it travels out.

If you have the time to type up all of this about how much it sucked (and you seem to do this regularly) then you should probably stop watching. If it's "defiantly dying" or whatever and you hated what most others think is a pretty good product, maybe it's just not for you? I don't watch Jersey shore, I don't constantly talk about it, it's only an example I use for people like you.

Punk vs Jericho, HHH vs Taker, and Cena vs Rock were all top quality matches in 3 very different ways. The rest of the show was at least average. A solid undercard with 3 top quality matches of a variety of styles is a pretty good show to most wrestling fans. Then again, you aren't a wrestling fan. You're a wannabe smark hipster fuck who likes to bitch about everything because you think it makes you look cool. When in fact, you look lame. Why the fuck would you, if you truly hate it, spend the time to come on these boards and bitch and moan about it?

I'm pretty sure his use of the word "defiantly" was a typo. I'd venture a guess that "what the fuck he's trying to say" is that, in his opinion, wrestling is *definitely dying out. I disagree that wrestling is dying out, I think it's doing just fine, but you come off as a jackoff for ripping someone about a typo and their opinions. Attack the opinion, not the person.

I don't see how you can say the crowd was hot. Other than the boos and cheers when they would trade punches and the false finishes they seemed flat to me. Just looking in the background at them the only times they would stand up was when they were trying to get on TV. The only match I could see you saying they were hot for was HHH/Taker. I even felt they weren't in to Punk/Jericho.

I think it was a solid card. I disagree that Rock/Cena was a solid match. I saw that on the WZ polling the people here voted it as 5 stars. HHH/Taker was 5 stars, this match was nothing close to that. There were 4+ times that the ref had to do the 10 count (3 in the ring and one when rock was outside of the ring after his ribs had hit the announce table) not to mention the bearhug that took forever and numerous other "rest holds". I was watching with two casual fans that agreed that the only good in-ring acting Rock was doing was acting tired... but he only could pull that off because he wasn't acting, he was just blown up. Cena looked fresh at the end, Rock couldn't have gone another 10 minutes. Rock's botch on the early hiptoss was really bad and almost ended with him landing directly on his head.

I'm not a Cena fan and I"m not a Rock fan. I am, however, a wrestling fan. I enjoyed Wrestlemania but I got very bored with the main event. The crowd seemed to die off with the musical performances prior to the entrances and it really was until a false finish that they would momentarily come back.

P.S. When you bitch out a guy because he's bitching ("wannabe smark hipster fuck who likes to bitch about everything because you think it makes you look cool") doesn't that put you in the same category as him?

 

[Slyfox696]

I don't see how you can say the crowd was hot. Other than the boos and cheers when they would trade punches and the false finishes they seemed flat to me. Just looking in the background at them the only times they would stand up was when they were trying to get on TV. The only match I could see you saying they were hot for was HHH/Taker. I even felt they weren't in to Punk/Jericho.

Every year people say the same thing about Wrestlemania, and every year the reason is still the same. Even the wrestlers themselves have explained it.

It's not that the crowd wasn't hot for the show. It's the fact it's being held in a large open stadium, where the crowd noise goes up (and in this case, out) of the stadium. Many wrestlers have pointed out how it seems quiet during the match, but they look up and the crowd is going nuts.

It's just the result of the environment, not a lack of crowd interest.

 

[Davi323]

Every year people say the same thing about Wrestlemania, and every year the reason is still the same. Even the wrestlers themselves have explained it.

It's not that the crowd wasn't hot for the show. It's the fact it's being held in a large open stadium, where the crowd noise goes up (and in this case, out) of the stadium. Many wrestlers have pointed out how it seems quiet during the match, but they look up and the crowd is going nuts.

It's just the result of the environment, not a lack of crowd interest.

Exactly. It's really not complicated, it's a simple case of acoustics. What Sly just described is called SCIENCE. It's the same reason that Michigan Stadium sounds so quiet despite having 111,000 people in attendance. The shape of the stadium draws sound away from the center of it and out towards the open sky. When events are held indoors, the sound has nowhere to go and ends up reverberating through the rafters and then back down to the crowds, of course it sounds louder.

It is true that football games sound louder than wrestling events outdoors, but that is because cameras filming football games are in the crowds for the most part...other than that camera on the cable that stretches across the stadium, NFL/NCAA cameras are farther away from the center, closer to the source of the crowd noise. At a wrestling event, the cameras are generally at the center of the field near the mat, thus are positioned the farthest away from the crowd noise.

 

[slice_of_life]

I really don't think the whole "Rock's hometown" thing is a valid point. It sounds good on the surface, but think about it, it could have been in Boston and the crowd still would have been notoriously pro-Rock. It has happened at every arena in the past two months.

I think it's really horrible what the WWE did to Cena. He loses at WM27 because of Rock. Gets Rockbottomed by him at SS. And now loses this match. The Rock had nothing to gain but Cena had everything to lose. I think it's really sick that someone can give as much of themselves to a company as Cena has and be rewarded like this.

Whether you are ok, angry or neutral with the Rock's decision to go make movies, the bottom line is this: the Rock left. Cena didn't.

I lost a lot of respect for Vince McMahon last night.

 

[D-Will316]

In your opinion what was John Cena's most important match?
The match that really got him in the position he's in now. I added The Rock to the list even though it's a little premature.
I'm gonna say his match with Triple H at WM 22. I think the fact that HHH put him over and the crowd was 70%(sorta) against Cena says alot.
How about you guys?