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**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

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The reason Punk can't be the man is because if you turn Cena heel, it has to be epic. It has to be a complete betrayal, one so unpopular and so egregious, it doesn't leave fans upset, it leaves fans incredibly pissed off. Think LeBron James leaving Cleveland, and how Cavalier fans saw LeBron going to Miami a complete betrayal, to the point they were burning his jerseys in the street. John Cena's heel turn needs to be the equivalent of that, it HAS to be extraordinary.

So, with Cena fostering such strong hatred, you need a guy you can see going in and just whipping his ass from pillar to post. Not someone who is going to walk to the ring, sit down for a second, put on some hammerlocks, maybe throw a shoulder kick, etc. Fans need the good ole American bar room brawler, the Steve Austin who is going to stomp to the ring and proceed to stomp a mudhole in Cena's ass. They need the guy like Hulk Hogan, with his 24 inch pythons, coming to the ring, and using that big right hand and right foot to dole out justice. They need someone like Sting, who comes into the ring and is so badass he can completely wipe out an entire nWo army, using nothing more than his hands and feet.

That's what fans want. That's what they need. And that's what the WWE needs to have to turn Cena heel. They need the badass figure, with electric striking and high impact moves. Not your local 7-11 clerk who has to wear his opponents down in a multitude of ways to get a victory.

If you see Austin in his prime coming down the ramp or Punk in his prime (which is right now) coming down the ramp, who do you think would seem more intimidating?

He was playing a different role though. His style and image were perfect for that. He was the often overlooked guy, the underdog, the every man, who had finally had enough and shouted at his bosses until they decided to give him his chance at the big show.

That's not the role a face would play to Cena's heel. Because Cena's heel turn needs to be bigger than that. It can't match Hogan's turn (I don't know if anything could) but Cena's heel turn needs to have that same sense of "screw you" mentality that Hogan fostered with his turn. Cena needs to turn heel, and then have to run out of the arena to avoid getting concession snacks thrown on him. It HAS to be that big, and you HAVE to have a face who can stand up to it. Otherwise, you're just wasting the great phenomenon you currently have with Cena.

To win? Yes. But that's not what I'm talking about.

It's just not the same. First of all, submissions are completely the opposite of what fans want. They want badasses who knock people out. Look at UFC and the popularity Chuck Liddell once had. Liddell is arguably the biggest reason the UFC is today where it is. Look at how popular the NFL has become, now that we have these behemoths running around drilling people.

Fans want bone crunching action, and submissions simply don't fit. And Punk's strikes are simply not intimidating strikes which can be believed to fell the mighty Goliath. Which, again, is not a mark against his quality, just like it wouldn't be if I said the same about HBK.

You don't turn Cena heel to maintain the business you are already, you turn Cena heel to make your business explode. That's why you HAVE to wait until the proper time and place.

No, but it does mean he's not going to be a guy the fans can fully rally behind. It's no different than most of your popular superheroes, who are always much stronger than their bad guy counterparts. The bad guys have to rely on fiendish plots, henchman, other-wordly objects, etc. to take out the good guy, because everyone knows the good guy could kick the bad guys ass if it came down to it.

That's what you need for a Cena turn. You need a strong John Cena, but an even stronger face to oppose him. A guy like Orton would be perfect...if Orton could say more than 5 words a minute on the mic. Triple H would be perfect...except he's in his 40s, and there would be no point in giving Triple H the rub. Punk would be perfect...if he was bigger and had a different style.

I don't doubt the WWE will turn Cena heel at some point, regardless if they have the right protagonist, but the heel turn will be SO much more effective if they do. Sting was the hottest wrestler, and the biggest draw, in wrestling back in 1997, and he didn't even wrestle a match until the very end of the year. That's the power of a strong heel, but a much stronger face.


Lesnar would whip both of those guys. MMA has come such a long way since those guys were around, and there are fighters who are now far superior to someone like Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee's appeal was not just in his martial arts, but also in the fact his fighting styles were still secrets. The knowledge was not nearly as prevalent or advanced as it has become today. Lesnar would whip either of those guys, simply because he is so much bigger and stronger than them.

But I get the point you're trying to make, that smaller guys can be intimidating. However, my point remains true, especially when you consider MY favorite picture of Bruce Lee:

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That guy looks like someone who would mess you up. Punk doesn't.
You have an extremely outdated look and your always using examples from the past but the WWE isn't like that anymore. The fact that you really think Punk couldn't be the main guy against Cena just because he isn't huge with muscles is ludicrous. They have already feuded and his size was never even a thought. They never booked it like Cena was some huge monster that Punk couldn't take down. The matches were extremely even the whole way through with Punk coming out on top.

Punk is seen as one of the most dangerous wrestlers at the moment and his striking is one of those reasons. He can take anyone down with a kick or knee to the head as he did constantly in his matches with Cena and others bigger than him so how is his striking not intimidating enough that's absurd.

So Punk needs to be able to come down and whoop Cena's butt from time to time, well fine that's called booking and they can do that anytime. CM Punk has full support from the fans so you think if he comes down and starts whooping Cena the crowd isn't going to buy it because he doesn't have huge muscles? Give me a break. You keep saying the fans won't completely rally behind him even though they already are completely behind him now. That's where you loose all validation in your post. The fans aren't going to suddenly stop cheering Punk because he is smaller than Cena if they feud, if you truly believe that you are completely out of touch.
 
You have an extremely outdated look and your always using examples from the past but the WWE isn't like that anymore. The fact that you really think Punk couldn't be the main guy against Cena just because he isn't huge with muscles is ludicrous. They have already feuded and his size was never even a thought. They never booked it like Cena was some huge monster that Punk couldn't take down. The matches were extremely even the whole way through with Punk coming out on top.
God, you're fucking stupid. Seriously, READ and COMPREHEND what I'm saying.

Punk is seen as one of the most dangerous wrestlers at the moment and his striking is one of those reasons. He can take anyone down with a kick or knee to the head as he did constantly in his matches with Cena and others bigger than him so how is his striking not intimidating enough that's absurd.
No, it's not absurd, Punk's opponents sell his strikes, not the way Punk throws them. It's completely different.

So Punk needs to be able to come down and whoop Cena's butt from time to time, well fine that's called booking and they can do that anytime.
They've tried. Hell, look what Punk did at the contract signing. Are you telling me he engendered that same kind of "kick ass" feeling Austin or Sting did back in the 90s? Or that the Rock does when he comes out to the ring? Not even close.

You're not going to turn Cena heel until you have that guy. Punk is not that guy.

CM Punk has full support from the fans so you think if he comes down and starts whooping Cena the crowd isn't going to buy it because he doesn't have huge muscles? Give me a break.
Again, comprehend what I'm saying.

I know fans who are there will LIKE it, but it's not going to draw more fans. It's not going to be having fans jumping out of their seat going nuts. To turn Cena heel, you need something like this:

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[YOUTUBE]HAgZDZWwgRI[/YOUTUBE]

In both of those examples, when the hero is coming to the ring, the crowd knew someone was about to get their ass kicked. And badly. Especially in the Sting one, you can see them all standing and you can feel the crowd ready to explode, even now almost 15 years later. And when Sting drops the bat, and hits the first nWo guy, the crowd comes unglued.

Punk isn't going to do that. You don't seem to understand that's not to say people don't see him as a believable main-eventer, or a suitable foil for Cena now...but he isn't what the WWE needs to make a huge splash with a Cena heel turn. If the Rock were coming back full time, he could be that guy. Punk just isn't.

That's where you loose all validation in your post. The fans aren't going to suddenly stop cheering Punk because he is smaller than Cena if they feud, if you truly believe that you are completely out of touch.
The problem is you don't have the first clue as to what I'm saying. You don't seem to understand that turning Cena heel should be done if you have a great plan to skyrocket business. You seem to think turning Cena heel is just another day at the office. It's not, or at least shouldn't be. Turning Cena heel should be an epic moment, and he needs a rival who can match that epicness. And CM Punk, no matter how good he is/may end up being, simply is never going to have the reaction you saw in those videos, just for walking to the ring with the idea someone is going to get their ass beat. Punk just doesn't have that intimidation factor.
 
When Austin's music hit, you expected a physical ass kicking. When Punk's music hits, you expect a verbal ass whipping. Slight difference. CM Punk is NOT a physically intimidating guy. It would defy logic to build him up as an ass kicker, that simply is not who he is. I enjoy CM Punk a lot, but damn, Allitude. You need to stop pretending that Punk is someone he isn't. Punk can never be a Stone Cold type ass kicker any more than the Big Show could be considered a technical wrestler. You are stuck trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Of course Punk is a main eventer, nobody is saying otherwise. But there are different types of main eventers, and what you need to get through your thick little skull is that Punk isn't the type of main eventer that you think he is. But, you can continue to be dense if you want, and Sly will continue to make you look like a total ignoramus.
 
FORGET THE HEEL CENA IDEA!
It wont happen.

So why don't we start wanting the Dr. Of Thuganomics back! Give Cena the rap gimmick back and see if he can be that badazz rapper and get over with the main demographic again


(Thought i'd post this in here)
This would have been a great idea about a year ago but the reactions for him have gotten worse that I dunno if Word Life face Cena is gonna cut it. Plus the direction they've been going in with him which now includes anti-Cena shirts(which Cena admitted he's not a fan of) would it shock you if a Cena heel turn is coming(preferably back to the 2003 ghetto thug one)?
 
God, you're fucking stupid. Seriously, READ and COMPREHEND what I'm saying.

No, it's not absurd, Punk's opponents sell his strikes, not the way Punk throws them. It's completely different.

They've tried. Hell, look what Punk did at the contract signing. Are you telling me he engendered that same kind of "kick ass" feeling Austin or Sting did back in the 90s? Or that the Rock does when he comes out to the ring? Not even close.

You're not going to turn Cena heel until you have that guy. Punk is not that guy.

Again, comprehend what I'm saying.

I know fans who are there will LIKE it, but it's not going to draw more fans. It's not going to be having fans jumping out of their seat going nuts. To turn Cena heel, you need something like this:

[YOUTUBE]jkbp-AyDDZs[/YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]HAgZDZWwgRI[/YOUTUBE]

In both of those examples, when the hero is coming to the ring, the crowd knew someone was about to get their ass kicked. And badly. Especially in the Sting one, you can see them all standing and you can feel the crowd ready to explode, even now almost 15 years later. And when Sting drops the bat, and hits the first nWo guy, the crowd comes unglued.

Punk isn't going to do that. You don't seem to understand that's not to say people don't see him as a believable main-eventer, or a suitable foil for Cena now...but he isn't what the WWE needs to make a huge splash with a Cena heel turn. If the Rock were coming back full time, he could be that guy. Punk just isn't.

The problem is you don't have the first clue as to what I'm saying. You don't seem to understand that turning Cena heel should be done if you have a great plan to skyrocket business. You seem to think turning Cena heel is just another day at the office. It's not, or at least shouldn't be. Turning Cena heel should be an epic moment, and he needs a rival who can match that epicness. And CM Punk, no matter how good he is/may end up being, simply is never going to have the reaction you saw in those videos, just for walking to the ring with the idea someone is going to get their ass beat. Punk just doesn't have that intimidation factor.

Wow you are one dilluded little monkey aren't you haha. Maybe you haven't noticed but no one jumps up and down now like they did back then now and that's entirely the WWE's fault. The only time I've seen a crowd do that in recent time was at Mitb this year oh and guess who it was for, Cm punk. So Punk does have the ability to get the crowd like that even though it was his home town. Crowds aren't like that anymore though and not even Cena gets crowds jumping like that, for you to think that only someone that can come in and whoop ass and gets crowds jumping like they use to at the height of wrestling can be the main guy to go against Cena is ridiculous. Punk is the only one over enough, he is the only one that can actually own Cena on the mic and is the only one people care about enough to match Cena. You say he isn't going to draw more fans? Well first that's WWE's job and Punk has already done his share of drawing more fans this year by totally recreating interest in the product again by his promo so he does have the ability to do that.

Oh and just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't get your point, it's just your point isn't valid. Oh and Davi I have made you look stupid couintless times mate don't get it twisted. All I'm saying is Punk could eazsily be the guy to take on Cena once the turn happens and I'm right, the only two that would disagree are you two because you think Vince Mcmahons old ideals about size are more relevant than they actually are today. Punk is the main guy now and will definitely be the one to take on Cena once he turns because no one else is close to his level.
 
Wow you are one dilluded little monkey aren't you haha. Maybe you haven't noticed but no one jumps up and down now like they did back then now and that's entirely the WWE's fault.
That's fine, I won't argue that. But that proves my point that Cena shouldn't be turned heel yet, not until you DO have that guy.

How many times do I have to say this?

The only time I've seen a crowd do that in recent time was at Mitb this year oh and guess who it was for, Cm punk. So Punk does have the ability to get the crowd like that even though it was his home town.
Yes, like you said, one show in Punk's hometown. They did the same for RVD back in 2006 at One Night Stand. Neither of which is to say either man has that "kick ass" vibe the WWE should wait for to turn Cena heel.

I mean, really, what's your argument? That Punk is better than other guys on the roster? I don't give a flying fuck, it has no bearing on what I'M saying.

Crowds aren't like that anymore though and not even Cena gets crowds jumping like that, for you to think that only someone that can come in and whoop ass and gets crowds jumping like they use to at the height of wrestling can be the main guy to go against Cena is ridiculous.
You are so incredibly stupid you are actually AGREEING with me now.

I agree, the WWE doesn't have that guy who can inspire that kind of excitement. Thus, you're not going to see a spike in business by turning Cena heel, so there's no point in doing so. You're actually making my point now.

Oh and just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't get your point
No, the fact you completely don't understand what I'm saying means you don't get my point. Hell, you're even strengthening my argument in this thread. That's how little you understand what I'm saying.

You're such a tool. You're literally making my argument for me now, and you STILL don't understand what I'm saying. Reading comprehension...you need it. Badly.
 
That's fine, I won't argue that. But that proves my point that Cena shouldn't be turned heel yet, not until you DO have that guy.

How many times do I have to say this?

Yes, like you said, one show in Punk's hometown. They did the same for RVD back in 2006 at One Night Stand. Neither of which is to say either man has that "kick ass" vibe the WWE should wait for to turn Cena heel.

I mean, really, what's your argument? That Punk is better than other guys on the roster? I don't give a flying fuck, it has no bearing on what I'M saying.

You are so incredibly stupid you are actually AGREEING with me now.

I agree, the WWE doesn't have that guy who can inspire that kind of excitement. Thus, you're not going to see a spike in business by turning Cena heel, so there's no point in doing so. You're actually making my point now.

No, the fact you completely don't understand what I'm saying means you don't get my point. Hell, you're even strengthening my argument in this thread. That's how little you understand what I'm saying.

You're such a tool. You're literally making my argument for me now, and you STILL don't understand what I'm saying. Reading comprehension...you need it. Badly.

Not one guy is going to get crowds like they use to be in the height of wrestling you fool. As I said in my last post that is up to the WWE and them making the show amazing again that got people totally emotionally invested. Not one single dude is going to get crowds absolutely shit hot like they use to be that's so ridiculously stupid to say that only someone that can get crowds like they use to be in the peak of wrestling can go against a a heel Cena. Give me a break.
 
I thought I would post my opinion of Cena.

I would not say I am a hater of Cena but I'm far from a fan. I respect how hard he has worked and he has earned everything he has achieved in this business.

However when I go to an event Im in the half of the crowd that chants "Cena Sucks" I chant Cena sucks for the obvious reason, his character has gotten stale. This is only one reason though otherwise I would be booing Rey mysterio as well (you can only be the underdog so long). What really makes me boo Cena is they changed everything about Cena that made me a fan of his to begin with which is what elevated him to main event status any way. First he quit rapping understandable for his charcter to be taken seriously. They changed his hand sign not once but twice. They changed the name of his finisher from the FU to the Attitude Adjustment. And now they got rid of the jorts.

My problem with Cena isn't Cena, its not the creative team. My problem with Cena is the constent corporate tweaking of his character.
 
Oh and Davi I have made you look stupid couintless times mate don't get it twisted.

Since when is zero considered "countless times"? Zero. See? I just did it. Zero. I just did it again.

What would make Punk, who flips between face and heel more often than Joe Biden says something stupid, have to suddenly hate heel Cena?

Also, considering Punk and Cena have already had a lengthy feud when Punk was still a heel leaning towards tweener, why would a feud with Punk as a face suddenly make it all that more exciting? It didn't blow the roofs off of arenas then, it won't blow the roofs off now. I actually enjoy CM Punk. He is probably even one of my favorite wrestlers right now. I love his mic work, I love the fact that he doesn't fit the mold of a traditional WWE Powerhouse type guy. I like him as a face, I like him as a heel. But, unlike you, I am not blinded by the reality of the situation. CM Punk just cannot carry the company as it's top face like Cena can. If a potential John Cena heel turn can be compared to Hulk Hogan's, you need a counterpart to Sting to act as the foil. Punk just cannot be that guy. That's just not who his character is.
 
Since when is zero considered "countless times"? Zero. See? I just did it. Zero. I just did it again.

What would make Punk, who flips between face and heel more often than Joe Biden says something stupid, have to suddenly hate heel Cena?

Also, considering Punk and Cena have already had a lengthy feud when Punk was still a heel leaning towards tweener, why would a feud with Punk as a face suddenly make it all that more exciting? It didn't blow the roofs off of arenas then, it won't blow the roofs off now. I actually enjoy CM Punk. He is probably even one of my favorite wrestlers right now. I love his mic work, I love the fact that he doesn't fit the mold of a traditional WWE Powerhouse type guy. I like him as a face, I like him as a heel. But, unlike you, I am not blinded by the reality of the situation. CM Punk just cannot carry the company as it's top face like Cena can. If a potential John Cena heel turn can be compared to Hulk Hogan's, you need a counterpart to Sting to act as the foil. Punk just cannot be that guy. That's just not who his character is.
Alright so I'm blinded even though your the one saying Punk can't carry the company based on what exactly? All signs at the moment point to him being able to actually. Did you notice TLC didn't have John Cena on it all because this is one of the first times in years that they could afford to and do you know the reason why? Because CM Punk headlined that ppv and is the only man that could possibly take over that role. I mean when else have they ever done that while Cena has been the main guy? When has anyone gotten as close to Cena as Punk is right now? There is absolutely no validation to your argument that Punk can't be the main guy as everything as it stands points to the opposite. You keep mentioning Sting and these old guys and say someone like them has to be that guy but you fail to realise that stars as big as Cena and now Punk don't come around that often and no one else is near that level or going to be in the distant future. Punk is the main face at the moment as he doesn't get boo'd by half the audience and if Cena turns heel yes he will 100% still be the top face.
 
I am sure that Cena not being at TLC had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that he is starting a feud with Kane, and given the fact that Kane just returned last week, there wasn't enough time to set it up...

***end sarcasm***

By the way, I forget. Who is wrestling the Rock at Wrestlemania this year again? Oh. Nevermind, I remember now. It's not CM Punk. Rock/Cena is going to be the headline match on the biggest PPV of the year. Even if it's a non-title match, it will still be the most anticipated match of the year. I wonder why they booked Cena for that match a year ahead of time instead of Punk? Unlike Cena's (mostly) kayfabe anti-Rock position, Punk has been legitimately critical of the Rock backstage, and has been for quite some time. I will tell you why Cena gets that spot. Because Cena is the moneymaker, not Punk...and it has nothing to do with T-shirt sales. The WWE is a publicly traded company. John Cena, his look, his character, sells the WWE to investors. He is simply more marketable than Punk is. If you want to replace Cena as the public face of the company, you need someone equally as marketable to replace him.
 
John Cena solution is simple do what the Rock did when he returned in 2003 when he was expected to get cheered but he came out to boos like John Cena is and all The Rick did was feed off the crowd n play the heel to a tee. All John Cena has to do is feed off the crowd thats what is lacking in his character right now he needs to diss the fans for booin him he can be the biggest asshole heel since the Rock if done right! Problem Solved no more need for anymore John Cena posts feed to te crowd simple as that!
 
I am sure that Cena not being at TLC had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that he is starting a feud with Kane, and given the fact that Kane just returned last week, there wasn't enough time to set it up...

***end sarcasm***

By the way, I forget. Who is wrestling the Rock at Wrestlemania this year again? Oh. Nevermind, I remember now. It's not CM Punk. Rock/Cena is going to be the headline match on the biggest PPV of the year. Even if it's a non-title match, it will still be the most anticipated match of the year. I wonder why they booked Cena for that match a year ahead of time instead of Punk? Unlike Cena's (mostly) kayfabe anti-Rock position, Punk has been legitimately critical of the Rock backstage, and has been for quite some time. I will tell you why Cena gets that spot. Because Cena is the moneymaker, not Punk...and it has nothing to do with T-shirt sales. The WWE is a publicly traded company. John Cena, his look, his character, sells the WWE to investors. He is simply more marketable than Punk is. If you want to replace Cena as the public face of the company, you need someone equally as marketable to replace him.
You actually are ******ed. I struggle to believe that you're 36 because if you are that's just embarrassing and you didn't respond to hardly any of my points an instead started rambling how Cena's in the main event at Wrestlemania against the Rock.

Yeah Cena is starting a feud with Kane but do you really think that's the only reason he was not on the ppv. Like I said before when else has that happened while Cena has been the top dog? WWE has never had enough trust in anyone else to leave Cena off a ppv until Punk became as huge as he did. Now that Punk is huge and headlining ppvs oh look Cena gets a break.

Now your point about Cena vsing the Rock I really have no clue why you are bringing this up it seems like you are just a Cena mark crazily defending him when I didn't even attack him. I Of course Cena is going to be in the main event against the Rock he has been the top guy for 7+ years and is the face of this generation. Punk didn't become huge untill the second half of this year way after that feud started and he hasn't been an icon for that long. I didn't say Punk was huger than Cena at the moment, I said he gets more of a face like reaction from the crowd which he does and that if anyone can replace Cena as the top face it's him.

You keep saying you need someone more marketable than Punk because of his look and it's so ridiculously stupid you're still using the same points with absolutely no evidence to back it up. All the evidence points to Punk being the main guy after Cena I mean he has already taken over Orton as no2 face in the company in a matter of a few months. Not only did his merchandise sales beat Cena's but he has the support of nearly all fans now which Cena doesn't. Do you really believe someone is going to come along and get as close to Cena as the main guy as Punk is now? No one else is anywhere near that level and you keep failing to register that and all you can argue is Punk doesn't have the right 'look'.

Oh yeah and once again I make you look silly so keep it coming dude as you have nothing to back up anything you say.
 
Hello everyone, I've been on these forums for a while and sometimes I drop in a leave a comment where I see fit, but for the most part I just like to read the comments. On to the topic.

I've noticed lately that the majority of members on this forum feel that Cena will turn heel one day. I have come to respectfully disagree and here is why. If you really look into the character of Cena and the things he says, it is clear as day the WWE will never turn him full heel in the near future. One thing that supports this idea is the recently released Cena Sucks! shirts. Cena posted on his twitter that they wanted to release these shirts in 2008, almost 4 years ago, and he said no. I wasn't until recently that he said he doesn't care if the WWE releases the shirt. This tells me something, that it's not that the WWE doesn't want Cena to turn heel, in fact it may have been pitched to him multiple times, it's John Cena who doesn't want to turn heel.

Furthermore, if you look into the character he portrays it is himself, like CM Punk. Punk will never play a drunken character as a heel, because this is the true person he is. it is the same thing for Cena. He truly cares about the children and doing all this philanthropy for the WWE, and even though as a heel he will still be able to do it, but he will be limited. When Cena comes on Raw and cuts a promo he says some people hate em and some love em, and he accepts it for what it is. I believe him when he says this, that he is content with the position he has in WWE, in terms of his popularity with the fans. I honestly believe that Vince is drooling at the idea of Cena turning heel. The ratings are slowly dropping and we will NEVER get out of PG television as long as Cena is a face, and I think most people would agree with that.

So my questions are
Do you agree that John Cena will not turn heel for said reasons?
Do you think it is Cena himself who is preventing his heel turn?

Note: This is my first thread so I'm not sure if this is in the right place, if it isn't please move it accordingly and you have my apologies.
 
I personally think it's pathetic that WWE uses the Make a Wish foundation for PR reasons. Why does there necessarily have to be a WWE guy doing the make a wish foundations anyway? I understand that it's about business, but let's not pretend that WWE or Cena is selfless or doesn't have a seperate agenda when Cena does the Make a Wish appearances.

I brought this up because the business aspects of WWE's PR department are actually hurting the show in terms of quality. I recent read an article where it speculated that the reason for the second hour drop off in ratings is because the WWE has catered it show towards school aged children. Their parents won't let them stay up to watch the second hour.

Yes it's only a theory and isn't proven, but it just goes to show you that Cena as a face is starting to detriment the product which could explain why WWE is playing up the boos Cena is getting. They may be trying to spark an adult interest in Cena or what he's doing without actually have to turn him heel.

I honestly just wish Cena would turn heel. Punk CAN be the face of WWE. Heck, he has great values, and would be a great role model for kids, without simultaneously being a douche. Heck, Cena can't even say he doesn't drink. Who's the better role model? Some would say Punk.
 
Hello everyone, I've been on these forums for a while and sometimes I drop in a leave a comment where I see fit, but for the most part I just like to read the comments. On to the topic.

I've noticed lately that the majority of members on this forum feel that Cena will turn heel one day. I have come to respectfully disagree and here is why. If you really look into the character of Cena and the things he says, it is clear as day the WWE will never turn him full heel in the near future. One thing that supports this idea is the recently released Cena Sucks! shirts. Cena posted on his twitter that they wanted to release these shirts in 2008, almost 4 years ago, and he said no. I wasn't until recently that he said he doesn't care if the WWE releases the shirt. This tells me something, that it's not that the WWE doesn't want Cena to turn heel, in fact it may have been pitched to him multiple times, it's John Cena who doesn't want to turn heel.

Furthermore, if you look into the character he portrays it is himself, like CM Punk. Punk will never play a drunken character as a heel, because this is the true person he is. it is the same thing for Cena. He truly cares about the children and doing all this philanthropy for the WWE, and even though as a heel he will still be able to do it, but he will be limited. When Cena comes on Raw and cuts a promo he says some people hate em and some love em, and he accepts it for what it is. I believe him when he says this, that he is content with the position he has in WWE, in terms of his popularity with the fans. I honestly believe that Vince is drooling at the idea of Cena turning heel. The ratings are slowly dropping and we will NEVER get out of PG television as long as Cena is a face, and I think most people would agree with that.

So my questions are
Do you agree that John Cena will not turn heel for said reasons?
Do you think it is Cena himself who is preventing his heel turn?

Note: This is my first thread so I'm not sure if this is in the right place, if it isn't please move it accordingly and you have my apologies.

I disagree. I think Cena WILL turn #Heel and it will happen on 01/02/2012. When Hogan was coming up, he was all about prayers, vitamins and training. Kids LOVED Hogan. His turn was the best turn of all time,....until now.

I don't disagree that Cena's real life persona is one that cares for kids, but the on screen role that has been pushed at us lately, including him speaking for all of WWE at TFTT and taking on the biggest #Face in wrestling today at WM, make it a no-brainer.
 
I personally think it's pathetic that WWE uses the Make a Wish foundation for PR reasons. Why does there necessarily have to be a WWE guy doing the make a wish foundations anyway? I understand that it's about business, but let's not pretend that WWE or Cena is selfless or doesn't have a seperate agenda when Cena does the Make a Wish appearances.
Do you have any idea how the Make a Wish Foundation works? Children who are facing life threatening diseases or sicknesses, are granted the one wish they have before they may possibly die. These kids WANT to see John Cena, and that's why John Cena is one of the most requested Make a Wish requests in history. That's the reason a WWE guy is fulfilling these wishes, because these dying children request it.

I'm hoping you didn't fully understand the concept of what Make a Wish was, because if you did, you would have lost any semblance of respect you might have earned from me. Anyone who is willing to take time out of their day to make a dying child happy is doing a great deed.

I brought this up because the business aspects of WWE's PR department are actually hurting the show in terms of quality. I recent read an article where it speculated that the reason for the second hour drop off in ratings is because the WWE has catered it show towards school aged children. Their parents won't let them stay up to watch the second hour.
I wonder if that article took into consideration the second half of the Monday Night Football game. I doubt it. Most likely it was some 2 bit writer who wanted to generate hits on his website, so he gets a bunch of foolish wrestling fans to click on his article so they can hate children.
 
I rarely give out red rep, but PunkNation26, but you certainly earned it. Trying to claim that the WWE is just using the Make-A-Wish Foundation as good PR not only shows that you are fucking clueless about Cena's motivations, but also about the WWE's motivations as well. The WWE has been granting Make-A-Wishes for decades now. Heaven fucking forbid that those dying kids get to meet someone they look up to before they die. What bastards the WWE must be to employ such assholes like Cena who devote their time to putting smiles on the faces of sick children. How dare they? Here is something else you probably don't get: CM Punk works with the Make-A-Wish Foundation too. So do Randy Orton, Sheamus, the Big Show, Cody Rhodes, as well as pretty much every WWE wrestler that a kid has wanted to meet. The WWE bends over backwards to be accomodating to dying children. To claim that it is purely for PR purposes is unconscionable. May God have mercy on your soul.
 
I wasn't thinking about whether the kids requested to see Cena. I was thinking that the WWE started sending Cena to see the kids for PR or something. I knew the kids were allowed to ask for whatever they wanted, but for some reason I didn't consider that maybe the kids were the ones who started asking for Cena.

However, it's still douchy for WWE to promote how many wishes Cena grants on their "did you know?" pages after commercial breaks.

The only point I was trying to make is that it's douchy for WWE to break it's arm patting itself on the back for doing good things. I wasn't criticizing WWE for doing Make a Wish, I was saying I don't think they do it solely because it's a great thing for sick kids. If you think otherwise Davi, then you are a moron.
 
I'm sorry if my Make a Wish comment was taken the wrong way. I wasn't trying to bash sick kids or John Cena. I brought it up in response to WWE reasons either for turning Cena heel or not. I was just trying to say that the reason WWE won't turn Cena heel is because it would cost WWE marketing money. As Cena is a sponsor for the WWE in the mainstream and does public relation stuff with Make a Wish. I'm just saying that sadly, WWE is looking out for it's own financial wellbeing before it will look out for Make a Wish kids.
 
I'm sorry if my Make a Wish comment was taken the wrong way. I wasn't trying to bash sick kids or John Cena. I brought it up in response to WWE reasons either for turning Cena heel or not. I was just trying to say that the reason WWE won't turn Cena heel is because it would cost WWE marketing money. As Cena is a sponsor for the WWE in the mainstream and does public relation stuff with Make a Wish. I'm just saying that sadly, WWE is looking out for it's own financial wellbeing before it will look out for Make a Wish kids.

That's the type of things that the WWE should be promoting, what is better than to make a sick kid his day by meeting his favorite wrestler??, give me this instead some stupid horny backstage segment every day of the week.
 
Literally: http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/wwe-news/john-cena-hit-with-a-fifth-teen-thousand-dollar-lien/

Cena owes ~$15,000 (USD) in taxes per TMZ

According to TMZ WWE star John Cena was tagged with a lien for $15,214.92 for allegedly failing to a roofing company that worked on his Florida home.
Cena’s rep did not respond to TMZ. Perhaps Cena or his rep will have more to say on the matter after the holiday.

Now the questions for discussion:

1. So, what does this mean for Cena?

Nothing much; Cena probably makes 15K per appearance if not more...he can easily pay this off.


2. Should the WWE incorporate it into a storyline?

Yes; it would make a funny storyline with IRS. Have Cena's post Kane but pre-Rock/Mania storyline involve IRS and Otunga meeting with Cena backstage and setting up a 'payment plan" for Cena to pay his taxes off.

At the very least, IRS could get a nostalgia pop and help people take Otunga seriously, at the worst, IRS gets a nostalgia pop and people enjoy a 5 minute nostalgia segment. It's low risk, low reward

3. Is this even a big deal?

Not one bit, Cena will get this handled easily
 
1. So, what does this mean for Cena?

Honestly I don't expect anything to happen to Cena, WWE won't do anything to him at all.

2. Should the WWE incorporate it into a storyline?

Would I like to see that story line? No, not really I don't think it'd be worth watching really. But will WWE do it? Maybe, never know.

3. Is this even a big deal?

Nah, Vince will help Cena clear this up with ease.

My answers are in bold. I will say though maybe Cena got in trouble for this and that's why he let the Anti-Cena shirts be sold, just a possibility, what do you think?

I'm just waiting for the Cena haters to rip their cushions up in excitement over this though!
 
Means nothing except that he will probably pay the guy 15K, or fight him over it if they guy is ripping him off. Since this has absolutely nothing to do with taxes or the IRS, don't see them doing a tax storyline out of it.
 

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