**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[Why Always Me]

I would love Cena to change his character up - not necessarily turn heel (tweeners can be cool - Stone Cold Steve Austin ring a bell?) but something does need to change.

Cena will get boo'ed out of the building against The Rock, maybe that’s what the WWE wants. Ce'a character is boring and cheesy and was much better when he was the Dr. Of Thuganomics. But I am a 28 year old man typing this and the WWE nowadays is more catered to kids, and the kids LOVE John Cena.

One thing I admire John for is all the charity and Make A Wish stuff he does. Would he lose that if he changed his character? Maybe, but I'm sure the WWF/WWE have been doing make a wish for years with the likes of Stone Cold and The Rock doing it, and they were not cheesy PG characters.

As an adult fan, I say Cena needs t change it up. But as the target group nowadays seems to be kids then I don't know if changing him is such a good idea. I don't boo or cheer Cena, like or dislike (I prefer Orton, CM Punk and Santino for comic relief).

All I know is, come WM28 I will be cheering The Rock, not because I hate Cena but because I genuinely want The Rock to win.

 

[Cleavo77]

Okay all you Cena Haters, we get it; it's the "cool" thing to hate Cena now. I'm sure before you even finish reading this post your already trying to come up with good insults and criticisms for me liking Cena. You guys are already getting defensive, trying to claim you hated Cena BEFORE it was cool. So just relax, and actually take a second to READ this post before you SH** all over it.

My question to all of you is this.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO FIX JOHN CENA

What is it about him. If it's his 5 moves of doom, what would he have to do to change that OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. Something unexpected? Use of weapons? What?

If it's his constant on screen appearance then what? Does he need to take time off? He has less screen time than Punk does now, wasn't even ON the last PPV, so what then? Are you guys gonna start hating punk now?

If it's his PG style character, what the hell do you want him to do about that? He doesn't just freestyle this, he is paid to be PG. The WWE has made the decision to be a PG business. It's not Cenas fault. Stone Cold wasn't a badass all on his own, that was the business then, he was paid to portray that attitude. Even your beloved CM Punk defends the PG product, doesn't even want PG-14.

If it's just cuz you want him to be a heel, then tell us how you'd do it.

So without acting all high and mighty, like anyone who likes Cena isn't a true wrestling fan, here is your chance to tell all of us in the Cenation what YOU would do to fix Cena. And any member of the Cenation or just an impartial bystander, your opinions are welcome to.

 

[WWEgirlxx]

Punk couldn't have said it better when he said "I don't hate you,John. I hate this idea that you're the best."

IMO, there are so many more people who have worked their asses off to get on Raw, let alone signed by WWE and John Cena hasn't done much relatively speaking to become the "best."

 

[Syborgg]

Punk couldn't have said it better when he said "I don't hate you,John. I hate this idea that you're the best."

IMO, there are so many more people who have worked their asses off to get on Raw, let alone signed by WWE and John Cena hasn't done much relatively speaking to become the "best."

You don't believe John Cena has worked his ass off to be where he is? Are you joking? Look I'm not a huge Cena fanboy, but I'll give him credit where credit is due. All the things Miz is credited for that make him "must see" are all things that Cena did before him. He's done the talk shows, he's done the personal appearances, etc. He's granted something like 200 wishes for Make-A-Wish. Also, he's filmed movies and still made regular appearances on Raw at the same time. When Cena comes out and says he lives and breathes the business, it's not just him sucking up to the people, it's a true statement.

Now, I'm not really a Cena hater, but because he's getting a negative reaction more often than not lately, it might be time to turn him heel. If they do it though, they have to do it in a BIG way. Something like aligning himself with Johnny Ace might work in the way that Austin or Rock aligned themselves with Mr. McMahon. The problem is, alot of the fanbase can already see a turn coming and it would be really predictable. They would have to do it in a way that still brings about some sort of surprise.

 

[WORD-LIFE-16]

I would make him more of a badass style character and have diss the fans. A little, in other words heel turn. Proud ceantion member

 

[kingofkings01013]

3 things to make Cena better.

First let him do more than 5 moves. We know he can we have seen him do them. Let him chain up to the 5 moves. watching him getting pounding on for 15 minutes and hitting the 5 moves of doom does not make a good match.

Secondly if you going let the Rock and punk say whatever they want to than let Cena do the same.

Thirdly let him lose on raw. He does not have to win every match. Recently he has not been so at least they have started to change that part about him.

 

[anaximillion]

He doesnt even have to be heel, he just needs to stop being the exact same character he has been since he became a face, every character gets tweaked and changes over the years, but cena has changed absolutely none whatsoever. its stale and old.

but honestly it feels like thats what they are currently going for with the whole piper making him acknowledge the haters, and this whole kane thing now. He doesnt necessarily need to be a heel, he just needs something to shake his character up a little.

 

[thebromm]

I wanted to start out by telling you first off that I can not STAND John Cena. He bores me to death. Having said that I do respect him 100% for going out there week after week and busting his ass to give his fans what they paid for. He does not get enough respect for that.

Now let me tell you why my blood boils any time I see him. He's Hulk Hogan II. His ring work sucks and certainly cant wrestle or sell basic holds and moves. They built him up to be invincible. When is the last time John Cena lost a match cleanly in the middle of the ring? Good luck figuring that out. Wrestling fans with an ounce of true knowledge of the industry will tell you we don't want our stars to win every time out. We want to think that there may be a possibility of our guy goin out there and losing. It aint called World Wrestling Our Guy Wins Every Time. Its called World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT. We want to be dissapointed. That way, once we get our payoff and our guy wins, it makes that much MORE entertaining.

Now I will be the first to admit that once in awhile John gets a laugh out of me. Like when he disses The Rock for saying he was back and never leaving, yet he's never around. I dont dislike the man. In truth, there isnt much to TRULY dislke about John Cena the man. I dislike the character.

Not sure exactly how to fix it other then he might have to go "tweener." That way he can cater to the ladies and the kids and then tell his haters how he really feels. I've seen the man act. He's not that good. You can tell it really does bother him to hear the haters. Full fledged heel Cena will not last and will not work. Too many youngsters admire and look up to the guy as well they should.

 

[King of the Words]

At this point I don't really care anymore. Like a lot of story lines recently, This Cena turning heel story line is taking way too long and probably won't even happen in the end. The WWE writing and booking as a whole is awful, even for pg. Having Cena's character basically the same since he became a face in late 2003 until lately with the possibility of turning heel is just lazy writing. The only reason they are even thinking of turning him heel is because the amount of hate he gets from the crowds is growing and they need to get off their ass's and address it. I think cena needs a major character change such as becoming a heel or he needs to start making his appearances more sparse. We need freshness or the less is more approach for the so called Cena hater to get off his back a bit. If not the hate will keep growing and a lot of long time Fans will probably stop watching the WWE and see what else is on.

 

[burnout4200]

I don't dislike Cena. I'm just tired of the never ending superman push. How do you fix him? Just change him in any way period and I'll be happy. 10 years of the same moves, lines, and card placement. How about a new catch phrase? I can see the guy already. He's everywhere! Will turning him heel help? Sure. But people are just gonna cheer the heel turn so how is that turning heel? If he turned heel at least a few manorisms might change. Randy Orton's evolved, Kane has evolved, CM Punk is evolved, even Mark Henry has evolved. Cena hasn't. Same crap.

How do you fix him? Let him evolve. He's still the same person and I'm personally tired of watching that person. Give him a new haircut, a new pair of shorts, a valet, just give him something. Anything!

Have we ever seen Cena in a wheel chair? Doubt it. He'll take a beating of a lifetime and show up next week running his mouth. How about a vulnerability? Even the real superman has one. Cena's bulletproof, and I'm tired of it.

 

[xBANEx]

Honestly, it doesn't even matter what they claim think would make them not hate Cena, or whatever. I'd assume a lot of Cena haters would give the "LOL MAKE HIM HEEL" response but really, if it happened what would they do? A good majority of them would then hate him and claim creative 'did it wrong' or something along the lines of.

But anywho, more on topic! I'm not really a Cena hater persay; I'm indifferate of him. I don't mind (legit) FMoD but all his matches are solely of five moves most of the time. Big stuff like MITB vs Punk made him break away from that a bit, they would be nice to see.

He's overly cheesy a bit too much for my liking as well. Not that big of a deal but every little thing helps, no?

And I honestly think the main point (in my opinion, atleast) is his staleness. He's been playing the exact same character to a T since about '05 or so, it's way overdue for a change.. even a slight tweak would be refreshing to see in my eyes. It's kinda the same deal I have on why I don't really care for Taker, his character hasn't really changed THAT much over the years excluding the whole brief biker thing.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

At this point I don't really care anymore. Like a lot of story lines recently, This Cena turning heel story line is taking way too long and probably won't even happen in the end. The WWE writing and booking as a whole is awful, even for pg. Having Cena's character basically the same since he became a face in late 2003 until lately with the possibility of turning heel is just lazy writing. The only reason they are even thinking of turning him heel is because the amount of hate he gets from the crowds is growing and they need to get off their ass's and address it. I think cena needs a major character change such as becoming a heel or he needs to start making his appearances more sparse. We need freshness or the less is more approach for the so called Cena hater to get off his back a bit. If not the hate will keep growing and a lot of long time Fans will probably stop watching the WWE and see what else is on.

Cena being stale has nothing to do with creative and everything to do with Cena making big money. Like him or hate him he brings in big $$$. Vince wasn't going to let his cash cow get away until the chants got a lot worse.

There really is no more hate unless the women and children turn on him and I doubt we will ever see that.


What I would do is turn him a full-fledged heel. I would sit back and watch within six months fans would be cheering him again. On the stick Cena is damn good and very close to if not as good as The Rock. Once he turns heel and starts ripping on the fans he would become very popular just like Austin and Rock did. Just give the guy freedom.

I know that Cena is big now but he could have been huge if Vince grew a set of balls like he had 15 years ago.

 

[TimAH]

1. Drop the corny humor. He doesn't deliver it well because hes just not funny.

2. Book him more realistically. If hes going to superman up at the end of a major beat down at least have him sell that that beat down had some lasting effect on him.

3. Quit posing him as some sort of ultra conscience who will consistently choose to do things that negatively impact him.

 

[Arsenal]

Once in awhile Hulk Hogan would sell major beatdowns for a long time (e.g. being out for months after getting squashed by Earthquake on the Brother Love show). Has Cena ever done that? He should have been out for weeks after the Nexus beatdown. Plus he's overexposed being on RAW every single week. He should have been given legit time off after being "fired" after Survivor Series 2010 for example. Don't even get me started on his character. People like to claim he's this generation's Hulk Hogan, but he's a poor (if not broke) man's Hulk Hogan. And terrible booking like I described above doesn't help his cause.

 

[drummerboy144]

Is really ignorant to say "it's the "cool" thing to hate Cena now" because haters have been booing him (me included) since 05, wwe is just not ignoring it anymore.

To the question, the thing that i've always hated about cena is that he is a wimp. He is always about respecting his oponent and all of that bullcrap, that makes me sick! he's so very happy happy and is just annoying to me. The rise above hate thing is a perfect example of why i hate cena so much, they can kill his father in front of him, they can call his mom a bitch, they can shit in his face but cena is going to smile and tell you that it doesn't bother him! its ridicolous!! I dont think he needs to turn heel necesairly (even tho i think is happenin) but he needs to be angrier and show desire to be the best and show some attitude (not talking about attitude era) he needs to lit a fire up his ass!

(my first language is not english so dont try to be cool pointing out my spelling mistakes!)

 

[wrestling fan 666]

To change Cena, I have a few suggestions:

1) Change his style in the ring. The same 5 moves are annoying. Have him sell in the ring once in a while instead of being "Superman" and walk away from a Hell in the Cell with no injuries. The WWE always said "don't do this at home" yet he does it and shows no injuries like it was nothing. In other words, make his wrestling style believable.

2) He doesn't have to be full heel, but make him harder with attitude. His "nice guy" Fruity Pebbles act gets to people. He needs a Punk like character that shows up once in a while and walks and talks like a real person...not scripted.

3) Have a Raw without him just once. You don't have to see him (let alone main event) all the time. The WWE has this thing with shoving people down the throats of the fans. Less can be more and more profitable. Does anyone remember the NWA champ? The reason he was such a draw was you didn't see him every week and when you did, it was special.


The previous is just my opinion.

 

[Jeritron5000]

So without acting all high and mighty, like anyone who likes Cena isn't a true wrestling fan, here is your chance to tell all of us in the Cenation what YOU would do to fix Cena.

First off...what a hypocritical sentence. Like anyone who dislikes John Cena isn't a true wrestling fan...jeez. I hate John Cena. I love CM Punk. It's really whatever.

Well the first step has already been taken. The WWE is finally acknowledging the fact that, in terms of crowd reaction, John Cena is ALREADY one of the biggest heels on Raw. So what if he doesn't act like one...yet. It would have been nice if they had followed up with the whole "Cena is a dynasty" thing and had him go corporate, but they didn't pull the trigger. What would I do to fix Cena? I'm sorry you don't accept this as the correct answer but...he's gotta turn on the fans and get cocky about being who he is. Put him in a title match. Let the crowd reaction finally get to him. Let it put his ability to BE "supercena" in jeopardy and have him snap and cheat to win. Have him come out the next night, belt held high, smile on his face, drowning in a chorus of boos, proclaiming, "The Champ is here!" as he completely turns on the fans. Is there something so wrong with thinking that would be entertaining? Funny thing is...I would LOVE him after that. I don't know why there has to be such a defensive attitude towards hating on the guy. He's boring, he's stale, he's frustrating, he's corny...but he's still a star and I think the point being missed in all of the Cena hate is that I think most people are just BEGGING for him to be used correctly.

 

[Suibon]

To change Cena, I have a few suggestions:

1) Change his style in the ring. The same 5 moves are annoying. Have him sell in the ring once in a while instead of being "Superman" and walk away from a Hell in the Cell with no injuries. The WWE always said "don't do this at home" yet he does it and shows no injuries like it was nothing. In other words, make his wrestling style believable.

2) He doesn't have to be full heel, but make him harder with attitude. His "nice guy" Fruity Pebbles act gets to people. He needs a Punk like character that shows up once in a while and walks and talks like a real person...not scripted.

3) Have a Raw without him just once. You don't have to see him (let alone main event) all the time. The WWE has this thing with shoving people down the throats of the fans. Less can be more and more profitable. Does anyone remember the NWA champ? The reason he was such a draw was you didn't see him every week and when you did, it was special.


The previous is just my opinion.

Is there such a thing as a wrong opinion?

1. But he does more than five moves, and faces no-sell apparent injuries all the time.

2. If his nice guy act gets to people who want him to be more aggressive or to turn into Hollywood Hogan V2, and thus elicits a reaction from you, would there be a reason to turn him anywhere?

3. Let's put it this way: if I were selling a variety of fruit juices, with orange juice being the most profitable, why would I decide to pull out the orange - my profit-maker - out of the blue? Just because those who drink lemon don't like drinking orange? Ludicrous.

And, also, John Cena shoved down our throats? As far as I can check, wasn't Cena very over with the WWE audience back in his days as a white rapper? If he was, and he was pushed due to that fact, wouldn't that mean John Cena wasn't shoved down your throat, but rather that you wanted him to be in the main event?
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He's boring, he's stale, he's frustrating, he's corny...but he's still a star and I think the point being missed in all of the Cena hate is that I think most people are just BEGGING for him to be used correctly.

Fine if you think he's boring, stale, frustrating, corny - some people aren't impressed by subtlety delivered in calm but rapid overtones, but I'm not going to pin that tail here.

But to suggest that he's being used incorrectly? Well, apart from my thinking that he could be a bit more assertive in addressing the haters within the limits of today's kayfabe, he's being used as correctly as anyone in the know could use a 250-pound man with a string of merchandise, a Wrestlemania match, and lots of Make-a-Wish grants in his file.
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What I would do is turn him a full-fledged heel. I would sit back and watch within six months fans would be cheering him again. On the stick Cena is damn good and very close to if not as good as The Rock. Once he turns heel and starts ripping on the fans he would become very popular just like Austin and Rock did. Just give the guy freedom.

Yes, but which fans? The fans who bought into Cena the clean-living honest joe with inspirational (or corny, if that's what you prefer) slogans covering his wrestling gear - or the guys who say to themselves, "He wants to shove things up people's assholes! He's good, real good!"

I hope for your sake you're not of the latter mold.
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[TWJC: The Beginning]

I like how a lot of people on here are saying they don't buy Cena as being clean cut because it's "not realistic" or saying "give him freedom". Who's to say it's not who he actually is? Saying that you want to see Cena more edgy or wearing chains, or saying asshole things, or whatever...that's more what YOU want Cena to be. I have a cousin who is a lawyer, former all conference baseball and basketball player, good looking, clean cut, never drinks, has never had so much as a parking ticket. People like this actually do exist. Tim Tebow is kinda like that. People dislike Tebow. Now, Tebow is more overbearing with his Jesus stuff than Cena is, but my point is, cena is probably more true to himself than a lot of other guys in their character.

 

[SmarksAreIgnorant]

Lets see, a returning MASKED Kane got put in a program with Cena which would obviously gain amazing viewing figures compared to other parts of the program. This whole thing angers me further, reports of officals going scared again. Hey idiots, things take time, building a Superstar takes time, it isn't helped with you changing plans by the day. Pick a goal, STICK TO IT and do not back out otherwise nothing is going to get done. And hey I'm sure when Cena gets a bad rating no one raises a eye brow. Also, we have HHH hogging the spotlight again at Wrestlemania. Typical.

 

[Scofield]

As stale & as boring ass shit of a character John Cena is these days, the guy is a draw and I am by no means a Cena mark or fan. The guy whether you like it or not is a household name today in the kiddy PG era. The kiddies tune in for him. The adults like myself tune in to see his ass get beat or hope & pray that he eventually turns heel.

 

[TheGreatLegend]

Lets see, a returning MASKED Kane got put in a program with Cena which would obviously gain amazing viewing figures compared to other parts of the program. This whole thing angers me further, reports of officals going scared again. Hey idiots, things take time, building a Superstar takes time, it isn't helped with you changing plans by the day. Pick a goal, STICK TO IT and do not back out otherwise nothing is going to get done. And hey I'm sure when Cena gets a bad rating no one raises a eye brow. Also, we have HHH hogging the spotlight again at Wrestlemania. Typical.

Lmao CM Punk fanboys never cease to make me laugh. Punk,Ryder,Bryan 6-Man Tag- Match got the worst ratings since 1997. .. How many excuses you guys have to use just to appreciate your indy guys ? .No one gives a shit about Punk or Bryan leaving the smarks (like you). It takes time to build a superstar ? Yes of course... But not everybody can be a Superstar for ex. Ryder and Bryan.

They belong in Mid-Card not the World Title picture. All this Punk "Push" thing is just a phase and WWE is doing that to play with IWC and Smarks which ofcourse includes you.

 

[theBec2101]

People say he cant wrestle or he only has 5 moves. first off go back and look at old John Cena footage, second; you do realize the matches are scripted and do have time restraints, and 3rd how many moves do you think Hogan knew.
Cena-5 knuckle shuffle, cena side slam after the missed punch, fame asser off the rope, cena plex, stfu, fu ( i will not call them AA or STF)
Hogan- body slam, big boot, leg drop. (latter on he learned how to take a bump and even learned to Job)

Longest title reigning champs TOTAL- Cena-3yrs, HHH-3yrs, Bob Backlund-6yrs, Hulk Hogan-6yrs, Bruno Sammartino -11+ years

and by the way not a big Cena fan either, just a huge wrestling fan.

 

[DiamondCaige]

John Cena will not have the WWE Championship walking into Wrestlemania. It's as simple as that. I don't see why he needs it, because this is already going to be the biggest match in recent years anyway. Who knows? Maybe it might even be better than Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker I. He doesn't need it and they're trying to expose more superstars atm, aren't they? And he's supposed to be kept away from the title picture right now isn't he? I thought that's what they were doing anyway.

 

[Cosmic Hate]

People say he cant wrestle or he only has 5 moves. first off go back and look at old John Cena footage, second; you do realize the matches are scripted and do have time restraints, and 3rd how many moves do you think Hogan knew.
Cena-5 knuckle shuffle, cena side slam after the missed punch, fame asser off the rope, cena plex, stfu, fu ( i will not call them AA or STF)
Hogan- body slam, big boot, leg drop. (latter on he learned how to take a bump and even learned to Job)

Longest title reigning champs TOTAL- Cena-3yrs, HHH-3yrs, Bob Backlund-6yrs, Hulk Hogan-6yrs, Bruno Sammartino -11+ years

and by the way not a big Cena fan either, just a huge wrestling fan.

That Hogan shot is wrong and you know it. He was an excellent wrestler and learned from Inoki in Japan, where his true skills shined brighter than anyone else on the WWE roster today. Did you watch his match with The Great Muta? Antonio Inoki? I severely doubt it otherwise you wouldn't take any shots at his skills. Hogan didn't throw those skills around because wrestling at the time kayfabe was not just something that existed, it was GOD. WCW, WWF, and Hogan knew risking life and limb in the ring wasn't necessary because they all realized how permanently over he was.

You cannot compare the skill of Hulk Hogan to that of Cena. Do your research before you make another false claim just because everyone else is saying it.