**MERGED** John Cena & The Rock: Match fallout, etc.*KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!*

[Arsenal]

They let Cena cut loose on the mic instead of putting him in the PG straitjacket, and the crowd loved it. His promo tonight sounded like he did years ago when he first got "over", before he sold out (or was made to sell out by the WWE) and became the boring, vanilla, PC goody two-shoes he's been masquerading as for the last several years.

If he continues cutting it lose like that, the crowd will support him. If he goes back to the PG straitjacket, the crowd will continue to chant "Cena sucks".

 

[I Heart Cena]

Wrestling fans' eyes have always been opened. We have booed Cena for his lameness. Our eyes were never closed.

As I said in another thread, cena's "loyalty" is nothing to be commended. It exists because he's not good enough to be a movie star like Rock.

Hopefully Rock points this out next week and puts him in his place.

 

[mareek]

The thing that I hate about cena's argument is that he acts if the rock is just some Hollywood celeb like snookie or something. The rock has done everything there is to do, I hate this elitist attitude that cena and the other superstars have where they think once your in the biz you have to be in it for life. Who cares if the rock went off to hollywood? And who cares if he hasn't put anyone over? He's here for the fans not for you.

 

[H33LTurn]

I dont think the WWE Universe is being enlightened at all. They go by whats more impactful and whether its hating Cena or making The Rock into an antagonist they go to the shows to participate in the action. WWE has them right where they want them, swinging back and forth between Rock and Cena. In a kayfabe sense they're satisfying their purpose, but I think everyone if they really think about it are glad of the contributions Rock and Cena have both made to the business, despite where either of them might be right now.

 

[thebarber]

Cena would be much more suited to being able to go the extra yard ala Punk on the mic. True fans know The Rock is only back to claim a payday, he hasnt elevated or helped put over anybody in the year since he said he was back home. And after Mania he will be off filming movies. Id love for WWE to really pull a nice one and have Rock return to the 2003 gimmick of real slimy Hollywood asshole it is more believable as it seems to be his true persona shining through with the volume turned right up. Cena the face vs Rock heel, now that would be something,. Let Cena really speak honestly about The Rock, at least people will give a shit about the feud. It has been slow and repetitive and all in Rocks favour so far, let Cena embrace whatever hate and al but shoot on THE rOCK VERBALLY. Ratings winner

 

[[cL]]

Tell me this. Why is it so easy for you people to attack Rock for wanting to pursue another dream? Why is it so bad for him to want to be successful in other things.
How many wrestlers, past and present, have successful outside interests? Mick Foley was a NY Times best seller...Chris Jericho leaves every other year to do a tour with his band. JBL made MILLIONS in the stock market. These people have made a life for themselves outside of wrestling because THEY know wrestling is NOT forever...in a moment you could lose it all with the right injury. Wade Barrett may not be out forever, but he wont' be at a major PPV that he was supposed to. I wonder what he would do if he found out, that for whatever reason, God forbid, this injury was connected to something else that put him out forever. Then what? Diversification is a way that people in sports and sports entertainment ensure that if something EVER goes sideways, they'll be able to support their families. Sometimes its a business venture...sometimes its another life long dream. HOW is it that you Cena lovers don't see that?
You cats are ridiculous.
So people can't leave wrestling? Guys can't leave and do something else while they're still healthy enough to actually DO something else? Pursuing another passion of yours is out of the question? If Rock had went into Hollywood and failed as miserably as Cena continues to, no one would even care. Cena is a tried and true company man and thats great. But if you think for one minute he wouldn't have left the company to be a hollywood leading man if his first movie had done exceedingly well, you're lying to yourself. Don't be that guy.

Think about this for just a second. If John Cena was as devoted to wrestling as he says he is, why continue to do movies? Just wrestle. That's his "life" as he keeps saying. He's there every week leaving it all in the ring, yada yada yada...and YET...he continues to accept scripts and do movies? Why?
You know why.

No one has given a legitimate reason, why the Rock should be back in the WWE on a full time schedule. When he said he was back and never leaving again, (and by the way, if you thought for one second that when he said that he was committing to the WWE full time again, you're too dumb to leave posts. I laugh at you.) he committed to a limited schedule of appearances and what I don't understand is how and why people could get upset about him doing what he does outside of the ring and making appearances when he can, and Undertaker was gone for a YEAR and no one said a thing. People are so hypocritical. But...wait....no. If Undertaker had been gone for a year doing movies and things people would have a problem...well wait no...thats not it. IF Undertaker left for a year, and was doing movies and they were SUCCESSFUL and only came back to wrestle one match per year, THEN they'd have a problem. Why? Because its not that he left. Many wrestlers have left. Its not that he left to do movies. Different wrestlers left and did movies.
Its because he left to do movies, and did them successfully, conquering two different genres of entertainment.
Something John Cena has no possible chance of doing.
Yeah Cena we hear you. You keep hollering out "movie star". Acting like its a bad thing. But I see you homie.
You ain't mad cause Rock left.
You mad cause you can't.

 

[prestonluv]

Cena's segment with Eve was kinda funny but that was easy pickings.

His 2nd segment was just dumb imo. I mean ffs.....he tried to pull a Rock but his movies failed and he was not brought into the mainstream by holllywood. Therefore he is condemned to the stupid WWE films.

Stone cold tried the rocks route and failed.
Triple H tried the rocks route and failed.
Cena has tried the rocks route and failed multiple times.


He should just say i suck at acting compared to the Rock and have very little onscreen charisma. Thats why i am still in the WWE.

Anyway....i am really dissapointed that this in pointing towards a face vs face match at Mania. I honestly might now get it now unless they come up with some other good matches.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

One thing I don't get is people calling Cena fake or phoney or a sell out. You ever see pics of him outside the ring? He's wearing JORTS. Ever watch the stuff from back when he was Prototype in the indies, or that discovery channel special? Or the UWF "3 disk pro wrestling training DVD"? He's ALWAYS been a "yes sir I'll try my best" kinda guy and has ALWAYS been corny.

The fans might be opening their eyes, or maybe the WWE and Cena are doing what they've been doing all along and that's getting an awesome reaction. The most genius thing they've ever done is not turn Cena heel. Would have been easy, would have been cliche. However, Cena's character and how he interacts with the fans and how he truly works the audience has been some of the most interesting things I've ever seen in wrestling. From a marketing standpoint it's beautiful. The audiences isn't homogenus, it's damn near impossible to get them all to feel the same way, so instead, do something that gets 100% of people to feel SOMETHING and run with it.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Tell me this. Why is it so easy for you people to attack Rock for wanting to pursue another dream? Why is it so bad for him to want to be successful in other things.
How many wrestlers, past and present, have successful outside interests? Mick Foley was a NY Times best seller...Chris Jericho leaves every other year to do a tour with his band. JBL made MILLIONS in the stock market. These people have made a life for themselves outside of wrestling because THEY know wrestling is NOT forever...in a moment you could lose it all with the right injury. Wade Barrett may not be out forever, but he wont' be at a major PPV that he was supposed to. I wonder what he would do if he found out, that for whatever reason, God forbid, this injury was connected to something else that put him out forever. Then what? Diversification is a way that people in sports and sports entertainment ensure that if something EVER goes sideways, they'll be able to support their families. Sometimes its a business venture...sometimes its another life long dream. HOW is it that you Cena lovers don't see that?
You cats are ridiculous.
So people can't leave wrestling? Guys can't leave and do something else while they're still healthy enough to actually DO something else? Pursuing another passion of yours is out of the question? If Rock had went into Hollywood and failed as miserably as Cena continues to, no one would even care. Cena is a tried and true company man and thats great. But if you think for one minute he wouldn't have left the company to be a hollywood leading man if his first movie had done exceedingly well, you're lying to yourself. Don't be that guy.

Think about this for just a second. If John Cena was as devoted to wrestling as he says he is, why continue to do movies? Just wrestle. That's his "life" as he keeps saying. He's there every week leaving it all in the ring, yada yada yada...and YET...he continues to accept scripts and do movies? Why?
You know why.

No one has given a legitimate reason, why the Rock should be back in the WWE on a full time schedule. When he said he was back and never leaving again, (and by the way, if you thought for one second that when he said that he was committing to the WWE full time again, you're too dumb to leave posts. I laugh at you.) he committed to a limited schedule of appearances and what I don't understand is how and why people could get upset about him doing what he does outside of the ring and making appearances when he can, and Undertaker was gone for a YEAR and no one said a thing. People are so hypocritical. But...wait....no. If Undertaker had been gone for a year doing movies and things people would have a problem...well wait no...thats not it. IF Undertaker left for a year, and was doing movies and they were SUCCESSFUL and only came back to wrestle one match per year, THEN they'd have a problem. Why? Because its not that he left. Many wrestlers have left. Its not that he left to do movies. Different wrestlers left and did movies.
Its because he left to do movies, and did them successfully, conquering two different genres of entertainment.
Something John Cena has no possible chance of doing.
Yeah Cena we hear you. You keep hollering out "movie star". Acting like its a bad thing. But I see you homie.
You ain't mad cause Rock left.
You mad cause you can't.

WEll, they don't come out and say that they love wrestling, and that wrestling is their number 1 passion, and do the "it's time to get real fans, from the bottom of my heart I love you guys and this business" bullshit that Rock does. Jericho comes out, does his wrestling schtick, then leaves.

Basically it's because Rock comes across as a phoney everytime he does his whole "I love you guys, I love this business" shit.

One thing I've noticed is that Rock fans seem to be more fair weather. They WANT wrestling to be "cool" like it was in the tude era, they want cussing and blood and shit (not really wrestling). They WANT to be able to talk to their friends about it. They're very close minded about how wrestling should be. The Cena fans on here (not the kids in the arenas, but the Cena fans on here) seem to be the older fans who remember before the tude era and who are more....iunno how to say it, but cultured when it comes to wrestling. They seem to be able to think outside the box more.

Which fits. Rock is a guy who seems to really LIKE wrestling, but he seems to like the idea of being a star more. Kinda fits his fans.

Cena seems like the kind of guy who LOVES wrestling, he references old shit all the time, legitimately seems to love wrestling. Kinda fits his fans.

 

[[cL]]

WEll, they don't come out and say that they love wrestling, and that wrestling is their number 1 passion, and do the "it's time to get real fans, from the bottom of my heart I love you guys and this business" bullshit that Rock does. Jericho comes out, does his wrestling schtick, then leaves.

They don't have to say it. The Rock is the only wrestler who has left the business to pursue other interests that got grilled for it. He is the only one to leave and have his love of the business questioned. No one said anything to anyone else. Therefore no one else had to come back and defend their love of the business. NO one else has to come back and explain anything but him. Now why is that?

Basically it's because Rock comes across as a phoney everytime he does his whole "I love you guys, I love this business" shit.

To each his own. I just think its sad that every one who took a hiatus whether it was short or long term and did something else for a while doesn't get bothered. But the Rocks loyalty, and love for the business is questioned because he was successful. Thats the real issue. Cause keep it real, man, had his movies bombed as much as Cena's has, no one in the WORLD would care what he was doing. Much like no on in the world cares what Stone Cold is doing. He left and was doing pilots, TV shows and some movies and he hasn't had a hit yet....and NO one cares.
But because the Rock became a STAR as Dwayne Johnson, its a problem. Its just really sad man.

One thing I've noticed is that Rock fans seem to be more fair weather. They WANT wrestling to be "cool" like it was in the tude era, they want cussing and blood and shit (not really wrestling). They WANT to be able to talk to their friends about it. They're very close minded about how wrestling should be. The Cena fans on here (not the kids in the arenas, but the Cena fans on here) seem to be the older fans who remember before the tude era and who are more....iunno how to say it, but cultured when it comes to wrestling. They seem to be able to think outside the box more.

Which fits. Rock is a guy who seems to really LIKE wrestling, but he seems to like the idea of being a star more. Kinda fits his fans.

Cena seems like the kind of guy who LOVES wrestling, he references old shit all the time, legitimately seems to love wrestling. Kinda fits his fans.

I'd like to say I agree but I dont. At least not fully.
I'm not sure if you saw the piece they did on the Rock where they did some history on him and his family. In the piece Rock said that he was an only child and his only friend was a video camera and he would tape himself doing all kinds of things. So I will venture to say that his first love was being in front of the camera in any capacity. That being said, his love for the business is not being questioned because as much as he grew up in it, having family that did it, father who was one of the first african american tag champions, a grandfather who ran a wrestling promotion, the reality is, all professional wrestling is, is a glorified soap opera for men. So all of the wrestlers get into wrestling to be on television. They all get into wrestling to entertain people. And though the foundation of the business is wrestling, the essence of the business as it relates to the WWE is entertainment; storyline driven. So why can't he legitimately love the business? Why can't he say that he loves fans? Why is it BS? Because he doesn't stay around? Its BS because he's not there every week? Seriously? When you've done all you can do in a certain genre whats left to do? Do it again? For what benefit? If his fans are his fans they'll be his fans no matter what he does.
I am a tried and true Boston Celtics fan. Period point blank, thats just what it is. Win or lose. I have a Boston Celtics Jersey with MY name on it. Because no matter who comes or goes, traded or whatever, I'm down with the Green Machine. Cause I'm a real fan. When the Rock left to start something different and went into movies, I continued to be a Rock fan. When he wanted to be addressed as Dwayne so that he wouldnt be typecasted and did Be Cool and played a gay body guard JUST to show he could do something different, I was STILL a fan of the Rock. I'm STILL a fan of the Rock because I'm not a fairweather fan. I've been watching wrestling for over 25 years. I remember the day that Hulk Hogan won the WWF world title. So no, i'm not just a member of the attitude era and remember only those days. So its not just a "cool" thing for me. I'm not a fan of a specific era. I'm a fan of the business.

You may not be a fan of the Rock and that's fine. That's your choice, but how can you say what he says is BS just because you don't like him? How can you question his love for this business? He entertained the heck out of us when he was a wrestler, and now he's entertaining a broader spectrum of people. How can you be against that? How can anyone?

Sounds like crab in a bucket syndrome to me.
I'm just sayin.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

"They are the same. People who say any different have a bias. I don't. I grew up a WCW guy, became a wrestling fan in 1995, WWF fuckin sucked, I started WCW, which wasn't much better, then the nWo came along, and I stuck with WCW until they died, then watched the WWF until I saw ROH, got sick of WWF, watched ROH mostly until about 2008, then have been mostly WWE ever since."

hmmm....First of all, what's the point of your little story?.....Is that supposed to make your points valid?!....and what's up with the "I quit watching WWF from 1995 to 2001(WCW death)"...So that means you're opinion is based on post-AE..you've never watched rock's golden days as a mic worker(1999-early 2000), did you?


"the mark above me who thinks the Rock is the greatest mic worker of all time. He's obviously never actually watched much Roddy Pipper, true old school Flair, or Dusty Rhodes, guys who mixed catchphrases and actually, you know, saying something other than dick jokes and....catchphrases someone from marketing came up with"

LMAO!! So you wanna sound cool by going old school. Alright. There is no doubt that those people are in the top 10 of all times when it comes to mic skills. Piper's style was more of a shoot, IMO that style can turn any good trash talker to great(CM Punk, HHH, HBK), it's like an unfair advantage. Ric flair was amazing in his prime, but the thing is he gets annoying sometimes with all his screaming and woos after every line(Speaking of phrases...). Ath far ath Duth'ty Rhodeth, thorry, he'th no Rock. He was great as a serious talker and that's it.

To me those guys aren't anymore "old school" than rock. If I wanted to sound cool, I would have brought up how underrated Baron Von Raschke was. It's just that I appreciate a little more substance in my promos and those are the first names that came to mind.

You say that the shoot style is an unfair advantage, but isn't cussing, dick jokes, and catchphrases also an unfair advantage? Take the vulgarity out of Rock's promos and they go from already corny to unbelievably corny. You say Flair is annoying, but isn't Rock basically doing the SAME goddamn thing every promo annoying too?

Obviously it's all a matter of opinion, my point is, as good as Rock is, he's not as good as his biggest marks think. They (you) act like he's the greatest mic worker of all time. Rock was not flawless on the mic. Nothing he said ever had any substance and it was all pretty contrived and corny. It worked, and he did it with a lot of energy, but he's not hands down the greatest mic worker ever.

 

[I Heart Cena]

If Cena remained the Dr of Thuganomics, then perhaps he could hold a candle to Rock. But he quit that, long before Raw turned PG. Why, idk. He just became such a lame suckup, then that intensified with the onslaught of PG.

So because Cena turned lame, it is a hands-down win for the Rock as far as mic skills. It's not even close.

As far as ring skills, both guys were held back by Vince to avoid injury. So we'll truly never know. Remember, Rock started out as more of a high flier.

Yes, they have many similarities, which is why their match is compelling. However, if cena was around in the attitude era, he'd be a mid-carder at best.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

If Cena remained the Dr of Thuganomics, then perhaps he could hold a candle to Rock. But he quit that, long before Raw turned PG. Why, idk. He just became such a lame suckup, then that intensified with the onslaught of PG.

So because Cena turned lame, it is a hands-down win for the Rock as far as mic skills. It's not even close.

As far as ring skills, both guys were held back by Vince to avoid injury. So we'll truly never know. Remember, Rock started out as more of a high flier.

Yes, they have many similarities, which is why their match is compelling. However, if cena was around in the attitude era, he'd be a mid-carder at best.

Rock wasn't a flier. He did like a single cross body and stuff like that. However, moves and flying doesn't get you over, they both just adapted their style to the audience.

Also, if Cena had stuck with thugonomics, that'd be pretty boring. What I've gotten from you is that a guy basically has to cuss and be crude and vulgar for him to be entertaining to you. Do you also enjoy Jersey Shore?

I've never seen 1 episode of Jersey Shore.

No, a guy doesn't have to be crude and vulgar to be entertaining.

You complained about the PG and complained about Cena's character becoming more PG. You said it makes him "lame". Personally I think cussing a lot in promos and making dick jokes is lazy and lame. It's a cheap pop.

 

[Psyclone]

Look none of us give the rock any negative things for going off and seeing what's out there.... just like we don't care when jericho goes off to tour with his band.... there is a difference though... jericho never announces he's retired... he never says "i'm never coming back".... The rock however says "FINALLY THE ROCK HAS COME BACK HOME!!!!" and that he's never going to leave.... yet we all know he's going to leave because his first priority now is hollywood...

Again I love the Rock I love his character, I remember him in MSG in his first appearance... I am not trying to denigrate the rock in any way shape or form, I'm just going to say that yes John Cena does have a point... He has a point in that Rock keeps saying he'll never leave, or that he'll be back soon, or "hey i'm on via video it's just as good"... Again I'm tired of supercena from Elimination chamber... I'm tired of the cena that just constantly wins in the end... I'm tired of "boyscout" cena..

I liked the cena interview from the ring on raw... I liked what he said, and I know that Rock is going to kick ass on the mic next wek to respond... I'm looking forward to Wrestlemania

 

[avi01]

It was a good promo in the context. But the content is complete bs tho. That`s the thing with when Cena "speaks from the heart"...it sounds like bs, repeated, ass kissing or cheesy. The whole thing about him being here and Rock not being here is a fact..but to say that it is because he is loyal?? It takes a really naive person to believe that. Fact is, Cena is not as big as the Rock, Cena was never and will probably never even have to make the choice between WWE and Hollywood, so his argument is mute. Most wrestlers would take the chance to be where the Rock is...it`s safer for themselves and family. Cena tries to make it as if he would turned down blockbuster movies to be in the wwe ...hello, nobody will give Cena that chance...so why be an hypocrite about it. Rock can afford to be elsewhere, Cena cannot. There is no WCW, he is not a movie start...WWE is the best place for him, he won`t make it elsewhere. He is the company man in the only company where he is going to be successful. Rock on the other hand..he made a career choice, some may say he sold out, but here is another fact: most people in his place would make the exact same choice. Why? Because it is the smart choice. However Rock does NOT need the WWE...he can do without the Wrestlemania main event, he does not need the money. Yet he is still doing it, and for that, credit to him. Don`t be naive and buy into the loyalty thing, Rock can look elsewhere, Cena can`t..no matter how hard he tries make people think the contrary by speaking "from the heart". Here`s another fact, after years and years of people complaining about "yet another Cena main event", somehow we don`t hear that too much this year. Last year at one point, there was not much hype around mania..until Rock returned. He brought interest to the show and made and otherwise terrible main event,relevant. Cena needs the Rock more than he will acknowledge it. Rock is bigger than Cena will ever be and it is not because Cena is loyal to the WWE...don`t be naive and believe that. People really believe Rock came back to promote his twitter account? Or Fast Five? That movie was a blockbuster and did not need Rock to promote it in the WWE. It had a collection of stars, was a successful franchise and a promising director. The days of Rock needing to promote his movies in WWE are long long gone. So at the end of the day,once again...Cena "speaking his heart out " came out as complete utter bs, that`s why is so boring to me.
Main Event of mania will be an egomaniac vs. a jealous guy who will forever be in the shadow of the egomaniac...and then they are the 2 biggest superstars of their generation..should be fun.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

They don't have to say it. The Rock is the only wrestler who has left the business to pursue other interests that got grilled for it. He is the only one to leave and have his love of the business questioned. No one said anything to anyone else. Therefore no one else had to come back and defend their love of the business. NO one else has to come back and explain anything but him. Now why is that?


To each his own. I just think its sad that every one who took a hiatus whether it was short or long term and did something else for a while doesn't get bothered. But the Rocks loyalty, and love for the business is questioned because he was successful. Thats the real issue. Cause keep it real, man, had his movies bombed as much as Cena's has, no one in the WORLD would care what he was doing. Much like no on in the world cares what Stone Cold is doing. He left and was doing pilots, TV shows and some movies and he hasn't had a hit yet....and NO one cares.
But because the Rock became a STAR as Dwayne Johnson, its a problem. Its just really sad man.



I'd like to say I agree but I dont. At least not fully.
I'm not sure if you saw the piece they did on the Rock where they did some history on him and his family. In the piece Rock said that he was an only child and his only friend was a video camera and he would tape himself doing all kinds of things. So I will venture to say that his first love was being in front of the camera in any capacity. That being said, his love for the business is not being questioned because as much as he grew up in it, having family that did it, father who was one of the first african american tag champions, a grandfather who ran a wrestling promotion, the reality is, all professional wrestling is, is a glorified soap opera for men. So all of the wrestlers get into wrestling to be on television. They all get into wrestling to entertain people. And though the foundation of the business is wrestling, the essence of the business as it relates to the WWE is entertainment; storyline driven. So why can't he legitimately love the business? Why can't he say that he loves fans? Why is it BS? Because he doesn't stay around? Its BS because he's not there every week? Seriously? When you've done all you can do in a certain genre whats left to do? Do it again? For what benefit? If his fans are his fans they'll be his fans no matter what he does.
I am a tried and true Boston Celtics fan. Period point blank, thats just what it is. Win or lose. I have a Boston Celtics Jersey with MY name on it. Because no matter who comes or goes, traded or whatever, I'm down with the Green Machine. Cause I'm a real fan. When the Rock left to start something different and went into movies, I continued to be a Rock fan. When he wanted to be addressed as Dwayne so that he wouldnt be typecasted and did Be Cool and played a gay body guard JUST to show he could do something different, I was STILL a fan of the Rock. I'm STILL a fan of the Rock because I'm not a fairweather fan. I've been watching wrestling for over 25 years. I remember the day that Hulk Hogan won the WWF world title. So no, i'm not just a member of the attitude era and remember only those days. So its not just a "cool" thing for me. I'm not a fan of a specific era. I'm a fan of the business.

You may not be a fan of the Rock and that's fine. That's your choice, but how can you say what he says is BS just because you don't like him? How can you question his love for this business? He entertained the heck out of us when he was a wrestler, and now he's entertaining a broader spectrum of people. How can you be against that? How can anyone?

Sounds like crab in a bucket syndrome to me.
I'm just sayin.

I can question Rock's love because he never fucking wanted to be a wrestler. If he did, he would NOT have tried so hard to make it in the NFL, he wouldn't have left. I went to a pro wrestling school and tried until I almost died, I spent a month in the hospital. I LOVE pro wrestling. I don't want to be a movie star, I wanted to be a pro wrestler.

I can be against Rock being a movie star because that's what he is. He's not a wrestler. He claims to be one, but he's not. I love it, because it works as a character. He's a great heel and a great entertainer. I like Rock as a wrestler, I don't like Rock as an actor (he's a supporting role in summer blockbusters with no acting or plot or a lead in a C level movie or disney film for christ sake, let's not get ahead of ourselves). Rock is great at what he does. I just don't believe him when he says he loves it. I don't think Cena would leave if he had the choice. On the John Cena DVD that I watched on Netflix, the camera is following him around, Cena is at ESPN eating in the cafeteria, probably doesn't even know the camera is on him, and this is waaay before Rock vs Cena was ever thought of so it's not like he was pushing it. A guy from ESPN is just shooting the breeze with him and asks "you want to get into movies" Cena says "no" and the guy looks confused and Cena basically says that he loves it. The camera was at a distance, it wasn't an on TV interview, it was the WWE camera following Cena around and he was eating in a mostly empty cafeteria before (or maybe after?) he went on for ESPN. So either Cena is amazing at constantly staying in character or he REALLY loves pro wrestling.

Think of it like a movie. If these guys are playing characters out of their everyday life and on TV to convince me of something, Rock has pulled a David Arquette at convincing me he loves pro wrestling, Cena is about a Daniel Day-Lewis.

The rock as a "movie" star is over hyped. Journey to the Center of the Earth....TWO?! Are you fucking kidding me. Rock is a B lister at best. He's "that guy who kinda looks like Vin Diesel". Yea, he's a successful "movie star" but he's not going to win any awards and he will always be "that one guy".

My girlfriend has started watching wrestling with me. she's as unbiased as it comes. I remember watching Race to Witch Mountain with her at her parents house and the WHOLE TIME her family, who doesn't watch wrestling, made fun of how awful Rock was. Then it was like "wasn't he a boxer or a wrestler or something?" Because in the grand scheme of things, pro wrestling is the ONLY place Rock is truly appreciated and that's probably why he came back. He's not this big huge movie star he's made out to be.

Which is also why he irks some people. Most people realize that his movies are cheesey godawful midsummer fodder, and if it's a franchise flick he's in a smaller role and it's fairly successful. That's about the extent of his "movie star" appeal.

I'm not a huge Rock fan obviously, I appreciate his work, I'm just explaining why a lot of people don't believe him when he says he loves pro wrestling.

I think people who relate to Rock don't actually love pro wrestling either. I can't fathom quitting wrestling to be a movie star. It doesn't make sense to me. I LOVE pro wrestling. Movies are okay. The goal isn't to become famous, it's to be remembered as the best pro wrestler (to me).

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It was a good promo in the context. But the content is complete bs tho. That`s the thing with when Cena "speaks from the heart"...it sounds like bs, repeated, ass kissing or cheesy. The whole thing about him being here and Rock not being here is a fact..but to say that it is because he is loyal?? It takes a really naive person to believe that. Fact is, Cena is not as big as the Rock, Cena was never and will probably never even have to make the choice between WWE and Hollywood, so his argument is mute. Most wrestlers would take the chance to be where the Rock is...it`s safer for themselves and family. Cena tries to make it as if he would turned down blockbuster movies to be in the wwe ...hello, nobody will give Cena that chance...so why be an hypocrite about it. Rock can afford to be elsewhere, Cena cannot. There is no WCW, he is not a movie start...WWE is the best place for him, he won`t make it elsewhere. He is the company man in the only company where he is going to be successful. Rock on the other hand..he made a career choice, some may say he sold out, but here is another fact: most people in his place would make the exact same choice. Why? Because it is the smart choice. However Rock does NOT need the WWE...he can do without the Wrestlemania main event, he does not need the money. Yet he is still doing it, and for that, credit to him. Don`t be naive and buy into the loyalty thing, Rock can look elsewhere, Cena can`t..no matter how hard he tries make people think the contrary by speaking "from the heart". Here`s another fact, after years and years of people complaining about "yet another Cena main event", somehow we don`t hear that too much this year. Last year at one point, there was not much hype around mania..until Rock returned. He brought interest to the show and made and otherwise terrible main event,relevant. Cena needs the Rock more than he will acknowledge it. Rock is bigger than Cena will ever be and it is not because Cena is loyal to the WWE...don`t be naive and believe that. People really believe Rock came back to promote his twitter account? Or Fast Five? That movie was a blockbuster and did not need Rock to promote it in the WWE. It had a collection of stars, was a successful franchise and a promising director. The days of Rock needing to promote his movies in WWE are long long gone. So at the end of the day,once again...Cena "speaking his heart out " came out as complete utter bs, that`s why is so boring to me.
Main Event of mania will be an egomaniac vs. a jealous guy who will forever be in the shadow of the egomaniac...and then they are the 2 biggest superstars of their generation..should be fun.

Rock doesn't need the money, but his ego needs the stroking. The only movies he's in that are big blockbusters anymore are franchise movies. He's not that respected in hollywood. In wrestling, he's a God. If Rock doesn't need to promote the movies and doesn't need the money, then why does he promote the movies? If he is financially secure, why does he keep doing movies if he loves wrestling so much?

Cena could go elsewhere, he could retire. He has plenty of money to do so. There are a lot of ways to look at this. Basically it's going to be an awesome event and match and I'm looking foreward to it.

 

[avi01]

Rock doesn't need the money, but his ego needs the stroking. The only movies he's in that are big blockbusters anymore are franchise movies. He's not that respected in hollywood. In wrestling, he's a God. If Rock doesn't need to promote the movies and doesn't need the money, then why does he promote the movies? If he is financially secure, why does he keep doing movies if he loves wrestling so much?

Cena could go elsewhere, he could retire. He has plenty of money to do so. There are a lot of ways to look at this. Basically it's going to be an awesome event and match and I'm looking foreward to it.

I said he does need to promote his movies in the wwe. Fast Five never needed the WWE to be a hit. By financially secure I meant he does not need the WWE money. Now you expect him to leave Hollywood to be a full time wrestler just because he said he loved wrestling? Really? You expect someone to leave Hollywood to be a wrestler? Think about what you are saying. Just because he is a Hollywood star does not mean he does not love wrestling. Why do you people see this as a black and white thing? You talk about franchise movies? You know it takes some goodwill to be offered roles in franchise movies.
Yes Cena could retire, but it is not very likely that he will be very successful in anything else. Cena is not Rock or Hogan or even Jericho...he`ll be relevant in wrestling only. It`s not bad thing, but just a difference between the others.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I said he does need to promote his movies in the wwe. Fast Five never needed the WWE to be a hit. By financially secure I meant he does not need the WWE money. Now you expect him to leave Hollywood to be a full time wrestler just because he said he loved wrestling? Really? You expect someone to leave Hollywood to be a wrestler? Think about what you are saying. Just because he is a Hollywood star does not mean he does not love wrestling. Why do you people see this as a black and white thing? You talk about franchise movies? You know it takes some goodwill to be offered roles in franchise movies.
Yes Cena could retire, but it is not very probably he will be very successful in anything else. Cena is not Rock or Hogan or even Jericho.

Me and you have a differnet definition of love. If you love your wife, you aren't going to go fuck someone else. That's my point. When you TRULY LOVE something, there are no substitutes.

Love is a black and white thing, you either love it or you don't. Rock really REALLY likes wrestling maybe, but he LOVES being the center of attention. I can really REALLY like my girlfriend and still go fuck someone else. However, if I love HER, then I will only have sex with HER. See what I'm saying?

I think Cena could be fairly successful at other stuff. He has an intense drive.

Also, stop with the strawman shit. The argument isn't whether or not Cena would leave, the argument is whether or not Rock loves wrestling. He does not. He left it, he didn't want to do it growing up, he loves being the center of attention and he likes wrestling. Like I said with my wife analogy, you don't leave something you love. That's why some people dislike him. Imagine if your husband/wife had sex with someone else and then came home and said "but I love you baby" and had sex with you. You wouldn't belive them would you?

Also, you're Cena hating on an extreme level if you don't think Cena is a bigger star than Jericho. No one knew who he was on dancing with the stars and no one gave a shit about him. My girlfriend said "o it's the weird gay guy from dancing with the stars" when he showed up.

 

[avi01]

Me and you have a differnet definition of love. If you love your wife, you aren't going to go fuck someone else. That's my point. When you TRULY LOVE something, there are no substitutes.

Love is a black and white thing, you either love it or you don't. Rock really REALLY likes wrestling maybe, but he LOVES being the center of attention. I can really REALLY like my girlfriend and still go fuck someone else. However, if I love HER, then I will only have sex with HER. See what I'm saying?

I think Cena could be fairly successful at other stuff. He has an intense drive.

Also, stop with the strawman shit. The argument isn't whether or not Cena would leave, the argument is whether or not Rock loves wrestling. He does not. He left it, he didn't want to do it growing up, he loves being the center of attention and he likes wrestling. Like I said with my wife analogy, you don't leave something you love. That's why some people dislike him. Imagine if your husband/wife had sex with someone else and then came home and said "but I love you baby" and had sex with you. You wouldn't belive them would you?

Also, you're Cena hating on an extreme level if you don't think Cena is a bigger star than Jericho. No one knew who he was on dancing with the stars and no one gave a shit about him. My girlfriend said "o it's the weird gay guy from dancing with the stars" when he showed up.

Dude, comparing your private love life with career choice? Give me a break, that`s the most stupid analogy I`ve ever seen. Loving and being loyal to your wife have nothing to do with choosing your career path,specially in that context. Just don`t try to make it like that, those things cannot be compared.
Where did I say Jericho was bigger than Cena?? I said Cena was not like Jericho. Jericho has a band, he leaves WWE , he does something else..that`s why he leaves. After mania, he`ll leave to tour with his band. He has been able to to diversify and that`s great for him. Cena has not. Cena established himself as a the top wwe guy and that`s where he is at his best. Exactly in what stuff would Cena be successful in?
Comparing leaving wrestling to do movies and coming back to your wife having sex with another man and coming back is about the most ridiculous thing I`ve heard this year...thanks for the laughs.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Dude, comparing your private love life with career choice? Give me a break, that`s the most stupid analogy I`ve ever seen. Loving and being loyal to your wife have nothing to do with choosing your career path,specially in that context. Just don`t try to make it like that, those things cannot be compared.
Where did I say Jericho was bigger than Cena?? I said Cena was not like Jericho. Jericho has a band, he leaves WWE , he does something else..that`s why he leaves. After mania, he`ll leave to tour with his band. He has been able to to diversify and that`s great for him. Cena has not. Cena established himself as a the top wwe guy and that`s where he is at his best. Exactly in what stuff would Cena be successful in?
Comparing leaving wrestling to do movies and coming back to your wife having sex with another man and coming back is about the most ridiculous thing I`ve heard this year...thanks for the laughs.

It's not my private life, it's the definition of "love". Some people stay with jobs where they get paid less because they LOVE it. If you LOVE something, there are no substitutes and no amount of money can change it. I know a lot of people who choose to stay with the job they're in because they love it, even though they could make more money at a different position. At some point, more money doesn't matter. In fact, a study showed that after about 40,000 people, raises don't actually change a person's perception all that much as far as job satisfaction goes. Of course, we're all different, I'll have a degree in a year, I sure as hell had better eventually make more than 40K. However, job satisfaction isn't just based on pay, it's based on a multitude of other things. Obviously, rock is more satisfied doing movies and I really doubt it's all money. He simply does not truly love pro wrestling. When you love something, there are no substitutes. That's why it's love, not "like". If you love something, it doesn't matter that you can make more doing something else. If I were a pro wrestler making a living, you couldn't convince me to do something else. I love it. Maybe for like a billion dollars, but even then, once I was firmly set, I'd come back. I've done this before. I have left higher paying jobs because I enjoy something else more. Why else would guys wrestle for peanuts on the indy circuits? They love it. Rock never did that. The only time his love for wrestling was ever tested was when he went after hollywood. He left, so what does that tell you?

Cena has been pretty successful at music and movies. They aren't huge blockbusters like Rock's but they also aren't backed up by as many dollars or huge studios or supporting casts.

No, it's not a bad example, you just have no idea what love actually is. If you love something, you don't leave it, not for money, not for an easier life, you LOVE what you have and you get so much excess utility from it that it outweighs all else.

 

[punchline]

From PWinsider:

"With The Rock making his much anticipated return to Raw next Monday, John Cena had harsh words for "The Most Electrifying Man In Sports Entertainment" on this week's show, saying he's no longer The People's Champion, but he's a champion with people (referring to the entourage around him). After strongly criticizing The Rock for returning, but not sticking around WWE, Cena vowed to beat the iconic grappler in his hometown of Miami, Florida at WrestleMania XXVIII.

A number of WWE performers appeared giddy backstage over Cena's remarks as they legitimately feel that way over the actor/wrestler. One talent commented via text to PWInsider.com (with permission to be quoted under the condition of anonymity): "[The Rock] comes in to use WWE to get back the audience he lost doing Disney movies, which is fine but he's been back over a year and name one person he helped make a bigger star since then? No one.

"He's here for himself, he keeps to himself, and he keeps someone who's actually touring here all year from making a bigger payday at the bigger shows. It's all about making this the "biggest" Mania of all time. OK, then what do we do the rest of the year? Who's been made? You think he took ANY blame for Survivor [Series] not drawing? Of course not, but how do you feud with a guy on the Titantron? Cena nailed the guy dead on tonight.

"Say anything about HHH, Taker, etc. still being in the top spot but if they were needed to work the road, they would and they would still work their asses off as much as they needed to. Rock is out for Rock and the idea he's here to better anything but his own wallet is the biggest work of 2012."

Just thought I'd share an interesting bit of news. We know that despite Cena mostly being in character when trashing the Rock, there are actually many other superstars backstage such as CM Punk who have been very vocal about their displeasure with the Rock.

My question is, what position does all this backlash at the Rock leave Vince in? He's the kind of guy that makes sure to have his way, and my guess is that he'll go on to book Wrestlemania in a way that suits his own interests. But i have to think in the back of his mind, he realizes he has an entire locker room of disgruntled wrestlers, and he has to know that letting Rock go over Cena at Wrestlemania, and then disappear again could cause some sort of outrage.

Again, I think he'll simply go on to book it the way that benefits him the most, but i have to believe he's aware of this and it'd something that might weigh on him. Thoughts?

Also, we'll probably never find out. But just for fun, any guesses on who this anonymous wrestler is? CM Punk is the most obvious guess, but he's already shown he can Rant on the Rock all he wants without having to hide his identity.

 

[mrfantastic111]

True fans know The Rock is only back to claim a payday, he hasnt elevated or helped put over anybody in the year since he said he was back home.

I agree and disagree. Rock is putting Cena over. Before last year your wouldn't of put Cena in the elite bracket with Rocky. Not saying that either one is better then the other, but seeing them in the same picture now leading to WM28, I think alot of people are starting to see Cena as one of those elite superstars, who is up there with the all-time greats. He deserves to be there, I mean, he has been number one in the company for about 7 years now.

 

[MizFit Brocko]

I don't think it's CM Punk for the fact that he's already shown he doesn't care for backlash from Vince with his previous rants. I also don't see him as the type to hide behind an anonymous tag.

My vote goes to Orton.

Onto your other points, I agree. There will be MASSIVE backlash if they let Rock go over Cena.

 

[kjbaits]

You know most of you guys around here grew up in the Attitude Era, so i believe most of you are above 18 and yet you always say that the WWE Universe is filled with kids these days. You're right though it is filled with kids and not the kids who cheer for John Cena, i'm talking about some of the 18 above adults in these forums who claim are better than the 10 year old Cena fans. For me you are not better than them at least they cheer Cena non stop even if the adults chant "Cena sucks" they stick to their hero.
The Rock was like a hero for most us during the Attitude Era and I have to admit when he left i was devastated, but as the years passed buy i realized that the it was stupid to hold grudges against the rock. The Rock Had a choice WWE or Hollywood. I wonder how many of you would turn down an offer to go to Hollywood where you can make more money than you ever had in WWE?
You claim you are all adults but you stay in these forums and say that the Rock lied to you when he said he loves you and he'll never leave you. Anyone who actually believed and thought the Rock would be wrestling each and every week then i'm sorry you must be a kid or somehow have a problem. I have to admit though that The Rock should not have said that as some of us knew it was not true he was not gonna be around for long so it sounded a bit fonny. Still you cannot deny the fact that he loves the business.
Most of us have things we enjoy and love but we dont do it each and everyday, night after night, week after week. You have to give time to explore other things. You love watching watching WWE but one day or month you gonna skip watching it maybe because you are busy or have better things to do during that time, but does that make you a sellout..??
To tell you the truth i like both John Cena and The Rock. They both awesome performers who defined their respective Eras. This is a huge match-up and people don't realize that because they are too busy bashing The Rock and fighting about it. This is all about choices, Rock choose Hollywood and Cena stayed for WWE. I don't blame either guy for the choices they made. Why don't you guys just enjoy the storyline and the moments The Rock and Cena have created and are still going to create throughout this storyline leading to their match in Wrestlemania 28 instead of breaking down every single thing The Rock or Cena says into an all out war?
Everyone has his own hero some people love The Rock and some John Cena. As i love both of these guys i picked Cena to go over as i'm a huge fan not because i hate The Rock or because of his movie business just an opinion and a choice. Also i wouldn't be mad if Tho Rock went over. As i said before it's all about choices. Choose your hero and run with him. Enjoy the storylines the words exchange and everything in between.
For example i liked what Cena said last night on Raw not because he was bashing The Rock and i am happy with that, NO its because it keeps me on the edge of my seat asking myself what the rock is going to say next week and makes me look forward to watching next week Raw, whether The Rock will say his catchphrase, rock bottom Cena or Cena will give him the AA. Its all part of the journey to Wrestlemania!!!! Just enjoy the journey and stop bashing every little detail The Rock or Cena says.