WWE General Complaints Thread

[dukes07]

I have already said my piece of Cena in the Complaints Section and yes I wish he'd retire to do awesome movies like 13 Rounds.

Anyway, I watch WWE here and there and unless something drastic happens I will watch up until WM, as I like the Rumble build and the build towards WM. I do fear a HHH and Cena win at WM but whatever. But I thought RAW was decent. It did not feel like an Anniversary show but at the same time I was entertained.

I enjoyed the Flair segment. It is sad how he has fallen but he is Ric Flair and he is going to spend money like no tomorrow until he dies but I still love him; platonically of course.

The Ziggler match was good until the end.

As for the Rock. I have no issues with what was said. I get the whole anti-bullying campaign and as an adult maybe I should have some remorse for liking it but I don't. This is wrestling. The sensitivity police need to suck it the fuck up.

As for Punk I LOVED the end. I loved how it was an old school brawl, no typical WWE heel backing down or getting his ass handed to him. It was like Savage when he was a heel. He did not give a shit.

The show was pretty by the numbers and yeah there were some shitty segments like Sheamus and Show, the so called giant monster acting like a bitch in front of Vince. But Orton was pinned. Clean. Fuck yeah. That alone is ten stars out of five.

 

[The Life Of Pablo Ren]

I agree with the most part except for the 2nd and 4th thing that you listed, I thought the Diva's match was above average and the segment between Del Rio, Show and Vince was pretty good. The crowd seemed to be hot for Del Rio which was rare considering it wasn't the best crowd.

I was disappointed to hear that Stone Cold and HBK had previous arrangements, especially Stone Cold because he wasn't there for the 1000th episode. But you really won't use Undertaker, Bret Hart and all the others just because those two didn't show up? Is that your "excuse"... it seems pretty weak to me.

If this was a normal RAW, it would've been a very good RAW, but since it was the 20th Anniversary Show and were expecting to get so much more, the whole night came off as lackluster and dull... even during The Rock's segment.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Stop watching. You've clearly outgrown WWE. If you're this uptight, have such high expectations, and have trouble handling not getting what you want you probably shouldn't be watching a TV show geared towards kids and young adults.

Your favorite superstars are gone. Even when or if they come back they are not the same people you remember from your youth plus you are clearly the same as you were in your youth.

There's lots of entertainment out there, far more than what existed in 1993. Try to enjoy that. Sorry for your loss.

 

[jholcomb22]

So for the last 5 years, you have been fast forwarding through 75% of WWE if not more, and you get angry when the night you decide to watch the whole thing, they don't deliver.
As George Steele's Barber has said since Monday, WWE didn't promise us anything. They didn't advertise much for the 20th anniversary.
If you we're planning on ordering the PPV for the Rock Punk match and the rumble itself, NEWS FLASH: Both those matches are still taking place. The fact that they didn't parade your favorites out on stage on Monday has no relevance here.
Also, I'm sure WWE is terribly upset that they failed to meet your expectations and fully feel they lost a one time loyal fan. A suggestion: before you plan on spending 3 hours watching a raw live without fast forwarding through it, send the WWE a letter, letting them know when so they can book it personally for you.
If that doesn't work, get over it, stop skipping the young stars and get some new favorites that are still enjoyable....or stop watching and stop whining.

 

[The Butcher]

So for the last 5 years, you have been fast forwarding through 75% of WWE if not more, and you get angry when the night you decide to watch the whole thing, they don't deliver.

Oooh, some sweet logic music for the hlhbk.

hlhbk, I'm not going to suggest that you to stop watching, just the opposite actually. If you're as much a fan of pro wrestling as you say you are, then tune in to next week's Raw a few minutes early. Before the show starts, I want you to find that 12 year old from 1993 that's still deep down inside you, and I want you to let him take over. I know that if you really try this, you'll enjoy the show start-to-finish.

I know this because I've been watching since '88, and 1993 and that whole mid-90's doldrums was terrible. As a youngster I thought it was lame and looking back through my rose-colored lenses, it somehow looks worse. If you could not only weather that era of WWE, but actually fall in love with the sport, then sitting through this era should be a cakewalk. That era was the reason that WCW Saturday Night was my preferred wrestling program until the Monday Night Wars started (shout out to "Hardwork" Bobby Walker). That's not a knock against WCW SN, but I just wouldn't give WCW the time of day before that era of WWF programming.

Seriously though, just try to watch and enjoy. Find something to like about it. If that fails, then I guess it may be time to mosey on off into the sunset.

 

[Dysturbed]

So again this is the 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF YOUR FLAGSHIP SHOW! You didn't have a lot of major names on the 1000th RAW, so you would figure you would have them on this. Where is SCSA, HBK, Undertaker, Edge, Bret Hart, and all of the other legends that made RAW what is was over the last 20 years?

Supposedly since Austin and HBK had another commitment WWE didn't want to have other big names that weren't selling the current product because they didn't want the absence of those two to be as noticeable. In theory, if certain names were there, Austin and HBK missing would stick out more than if it was a matter of none being there. That may not be true and may even be considered to be twisted logic, but it is what was said.

Anyway, they didn't have a lot on the 1000th Raw, but they had a decent amount imo, including the DX reunion that, depending on opinion was considered to be a big deal, regardless of execution. I am not suggesting that it wouldn't have been great to see some really big names on Monday, nor am I suggesting that the 20th anniversary isn't a huge thing, but imo, if it had to be one or the other, the 1000th Raw was more fitting of having the bigger names than the 20th anniversary.

Only two other American created episodic prime time shows have ever reached twenty seasons. (I use that criteria because daytime soap operas, news programs, and some late night shows have more years but prime time is considered to be its own entity). However, neither of those shows reached 1000 episodes in that span due to obvious reasons. The fact that Raw has been in a position to air more shows than any other episodic prime time one puts it in a league of it's own in a certain respect. To me, WWE responded accordingly by making a bigger deal out of the 1000th episode than the 20th anniversary.

Another part of the reason why the 20th anniversary episode may not have been as great as some hoped, it may have had to do with timing. Often, the special episodes don't' do quite as well of a job of selling the upcoming ppv because they focus on the theme of the night. Between TLC and the rumble there were already two weeks of programming due to holidays that did that. Perhaps that is part of why. Or, perhaps what I wrote in this paragraph is irrelevant and the real reason is strictly related to poor writing or whatever other opinions people have.

Again, just my view.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

I have been the supporter of John Cena for a long long time.Everytime i saw people here complaning and bitching about him,i thought they were clueless.But the last two raws got me really irritated on Cena's booking.He faced Dolph Ziggler on both of the Raw's.Once in a regular match and another being a steel cage match.Ziggler pretty much threw everything on Cena except a 18 ton crane.Still Cena kicked out.I was really annoyed with it.I get the fact that Cena is the face of the company and needs to be protected.But that doesn't mean he shouldn't lose a match.What really annoyed me was the opener of 1/7 Raw.Ziggler hit the zigzag,superkick and langston hit the big ending.Yet Cena kicked out and hit a AA to beat ziggler with ease.After the match it looked like that he could go for a 20 mile marathon.Cena doesn't need to turn heel or change his character.But he needs to change these little flaws.

 

[Mattitude]

A general gripe here...

Those taped cheers/boos tracks that they feed over the arena sound system, heard on Smackdown for the last 10 years or so. It's bloody frustrating trying to determine what kinda reaction whatshisname gets, whilst hearing that damn track. Smackdown last week was a poor show, production wise, because of the cheer/boo track was all over the place. They even used it for The Rock's entrance!

I know they're using them for a reason and sometimes they HAVE to use it, but does it have to be literally every match & promo? Is the live crowd really THAT bad, where post-production they have flood it with these fake tracks?!

Unbearable tosh

 

[boywithbluehanger]

A general gripe here...

Is the live crowd really THAT bad, where post-production they have flood it with these fake tracks?!

Yes the crowd really is that bad. Also, I completely agree with you. I'd rather listen to the crappy reactions than the fake pops/boos. Simply because of how desperately noticeable they are. You'll hear a bunch of people getting excited and cheering yet you'll look at the audience and if they were any more dead, they'd be zombies.

Normally I wouldn't suggest that they just stop doing something but rather that they improve what they're doing. But in this case, the audio production team has more than convinced me that they absolutely blow at dubbing in crowd reactions after all this time. So in this case, I say just stop with it all together and let me hear the crickets. At this point I kinda miss the little buggers.

 

[TJWWE]

Watching this past monday night during Rock's concert, Rock broke the PG rule by using the typical swear words like Bitch and hooker.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwskie_the-rock-concert-featuring-vickie-guerrero_sport

Now, he has previously done this when Rock called Cena a bitch and a bastard.

So my question is, why is The Rock the only one allowed to swear and to begin with, if they are PG, why are they letting him swear?

 

[Dysturbed]

Watching this past monday night during Rock's concert, Rock broke the PG rule by using the typical swear words like Bitch and hooker.


if they are PG, why are they letting him swear?

It is fair to question why one specific wrestler is allowed to do something that others don't, but overall he isn't breaking any rule. PG involves "parental guidance" being suggested for a reason because, "some material that isn't suitable for children." The pg rating allows for a certain degree of violence, certain language in limited amounts, drug references in limited amounts, and even implied sexual things. Based on that, WWE does conform to what the rating allows. If WWE was given a G rating, then the minimal amount of swearing and other things, would be considered more of an issue. That doesn't mean that someone, including you can't take issue with certain things, but does mean that it is allowed. Also, calling someone a hooker is derogatory (but allowed within the confines of pg) but isn't technically a swear.

 

[#heel420]

I'm just putting my thoughts out there on her being such a big part of the product.

She gets a lot of heat, but it's not good heat if that makes sense. I went to Raw with some family that doesn't watch wrestling much any more and they enjoyed the show up until Vickie Guerrero made an appearance. And she totally killed the show for them.

What does she bring to the show, besides an annoying voice?

She has to drive more viewers away then she brings in. I mean really if you were just flipping through the channels and saw her yelling EXCUSE ME!!! Are you gonna keep watching or see what else is on?

I understand WWE wants to give her a paycheck and all but maybe they should just let her sit at home and collect checks, because she is doing nothing to improve the quality of the show.

Your thoughts?

 

[info62]

I think Vickie was a great character in 2008 as GM of Smackdown. This was when she was with Edge and I thought she was GREAT at getting heat for the feuds Edge had with Batista and Undertaker. If you had made this topic during that time I would have disagreed with you completely

However, I think she is beyond stale now. I have nothing against Vickie but I do not get any entertainment out of this character anymore. It's annoying and for me it's not even in the love-to-hate kind of way that it used to be when she was getting defeaning boos on Smackdown. It's just a boring and overexposed character now.

I think it's an overreaction to say she completely kills the show, but I don't think she's a great addition to the show either.

 

[suleman09]

im not sure what she really brings to the show but I went Raw recently and I love booing her lol I think that's one of the main reasons she is still there is because of the amount of reaction she gets. People just love to boo her.

And Chris Jericho once said "it doesn't matter what kind of reaction you get as long as you get a reaction is what's important"

and she still gets a reaction.

 

[DannyDirtz]

What the hell have they done to Kane.

I was watching last nights raw and saw the graduation segment. I had to skip past it. It was cringing to think this was the big red monster i grew up watching destroy people.

Kane could never....and i mean NEEEEVVVVVEEERRRRRRRRRRR return to putting fear into the hearts of those he faces.

I am DISGUSTED by the direction they took Kane. They have spat on and re written his characters entire background and story.

I HATE the PG era and i cant wait until i see the release of a dvd entitled "The Rise and fall of the wwe"

 

[DetectiveZelix]

So fucking true about Kane. He's such a bitch now. Yes it's funny but they've butchered his entire character. At least with Taker he was able to return to the dark side.I ddon't see that being the case with Kane. They've raped him horribly

 

[GutCheck21]

I disagree.. At any point we could make Kane turn on Daniel Bryant and go on a rampage then have him back as Big Red Machine. Once that happens people won't care how " soft " he was because he was still Tag team champ and had great chemistry with Bryant. There in ring skills together is worked and put on quality matches. I do admit the graduation was kinda lame but Team hell no brings NEW life to Kane.
Something fresh not same old Kane . This way when he goes back to singles competition you'll be more existed I think...

 

[TheRocker035]

Honestly, Kane has been a lame duck for a while now. Since hes got the new mask and all I think his character has become soft in general. If they really want to have Kane become a 1 man wrecking crew again, they need to take it back to the throwback days and see what havoc he can create.

 

[DannyDirtz]

Kane is just another example of where the company is going and thats downhill.

I dont know what the hell is going on behind the scenes but its defo not for the fans interests.

As it stands IMHO id predict that at least 80% of the people watching would like to see either 2 of the following happen

1) the return to TV-14 (never gonna happen)
2) a pg era with better storywriting and adult characters with less restriction on what they can do and say to an extent.

Vince is trying everything to milk the company of as much money as he can get when he doesnt even need to.

The attitude Era started because they went to war with WCW for ratings, now they need to war against themselves.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

My biggest complaint is people complaining about Kane. He stopped being "intimidating" and putting fear into the hearts of his opponents roughly around the time they decided to unmask him.

Or how about the time he was backstage with The Rock and Hogan and started spitting out their catchphrases and "hulking up". The fact of the matter is Face Kane has always been a little bit of a comedian. And I've enjoyed his run with Daniel Bryan more than many of the years he spent squashing the Chavo Guerreros of the world.

Besides, it's not really like acting crazy is outside the realms of his character. His character is a psychopath, and always has been. I think the fact that he's hugging people and being funny makes his character that much better for the inevitable downward spiral he's going to go through.

 

[MasterDebator]

Not a complaint as much as it is an observation: After watching Smackdown tonight, I finally realized (late to the party?) how ridiculous it is to ask viewers and audience members to accept the idea that the WWE would set-up a show, pay people to be there, sell tickets, and put a product on television without knowing the schedule/card beforehand. This occurred to me when Booker T came out to announce the main event. Could you imagine boxing or UFC doing this? Hey folks, we fly by the seat of our pants! We have NO IDEA what we're gonna show you tonight!

 

[Dysturbed]

They don't know the matches that will be on the shows, but specific wrestlers are advertised in advance. Regardless, the most basic and frequently used concepts in wrestling are ridiculous. Backstage conversations being caught at the right time, wrestlers that are supposed to be disgusted by each other willingly waiting til taped shows to cut the bigger promos and have the bigger attacks, wrestlers standing backstage while someone talks shit about them and often waiting til the right time to run out along with music, and so on. The fact that everything is situational is another one. One person can take out a whole ring of people with repeated clotheslines or whatever yet it takes awhile to defeat just one person in a match setting, with even more moves in a match. Someone can cut a promo and be attacked and knocked out with one hit, yet it takes a lot more than that in a match. Just as those things and many others have always been considered the mostly accepted reality in the context of sports entertainment due to suspension of belief, so is the concept that you mentioned. Not that you disputed that or were unaware of that.

 

[MasterDebator]

They don't know the matches that will be on the shows, but specific wrestlers are advertised in advance. Regardless, the most basic and frequently used concepts in wrestling are ridiculous. Backstage conversations being caught at the right time, wrestlers that are supposed to be disgusted by each other willingly waiting til taped shows to cut the bigger promos and have the bigger attacks, wrestlers standing backstage while someone talks shit about them and often waiting til the right time to run out along with music, and so on. The fact that everything is situational is another one. One person can take out a whole ring of people with repeated clotheslines or whatever yet it takes awhile to defeat just one person in a match setting, with even more moves in a match. Someone can cut a promo and be attacked and knocked out with one hit, yet it takes a lot more than that in a match. Just as those things and many others have always been considered the mostly accepted reality in the context of sports entertainment due to suspension of belief, so is the concept that you mentioned. Not that you disputed that or were unaware of that.

Right. I was merely pointing out one more ridiculous thing about wrestling that I hadn't caught until recently. I know they advertise WHO will be there and sometimes they'll even advertise matches in advance, including dark matches. I just found it funny. Wrestling REQUIRES suspension of disbelief. It is a must. Everything you mentioned, and what I mentioned, is a part of that. I just wanted to point it out. No dispute here. Arguably, those kinds of things make me love wrestling more, because of their sheer fantastical nature.

 

[DX vs NWO]

Hey guys. Tomorrows big match will pit Rock and Punk for the WWE title and has got a lot of attention from members of the IWC. It got me thinking all week about past stars, present stars and the direction the company is moving and I was curious if you guys agree with me.

It says a lot about the future of this company if the WWE can't attract enough buyers for Wrestlemania (The biggest event on their calender) without The Rock headlining.

In terms of a storytelling perspective, Punk has to win this match. How can a guy, who comes back to an episode of RAW 3 weeks ago, challenge and beat a man who has been the WWE champion for a record amount of time. It makes everything Punk did in his reign look stupid. It shows a complete lack of faith from the WWE in the guys who are the future of this company.

I have nothing against Rock if he wins because he's doing his job, but the current crop of guys who have busted their asses off and are really big with the fans and the IWC need to be the ones representing the WWE title. I'm talking about guys like Punk, Bryan and Ziggler.

I've heard people claim that Punk as champion can't draw and ergo is bad for business. That type of mentality isn't going to get you anywhere. If these guys don't get pushed because they can't draw, how are they supposed to grow? What are you going to do to replace them. Bring in guys like Lesnar, Rock, Undertaker and Hunter? What happens when these go, which could happen after this years 'Mania?

I shudder to think how the WWE will attract as many viewers as they want for next years Mania if The Rock goes back to Hollywood, Lesnar gets bored, Hunter retires in the ring, and Undertaker goes back to... wherever it is he came from.

Is my thinking too far fetched or am I on the right track?

 

[FPSRussia]

While visiting a chat room regarding the Royal Rumble, as soon as Ziggler was eliminated I seen a flood of crying and complaints, is Ziggler good? Sure. Is he as good as the IWC makes him out to be? Fuck no.

He has quite a long way to go on the mic before he's on the top level, a 30 second Big E Langston promo outshined Zigglers 2 minute promo...wait, I'm talking about Ziggler right?

I thought I was talking about The Miz, or Zack Ryder.

Will someone please explain to me what the hell everyone sees in Ziggler? I see a generic DAW for Smackdown vs RAW 2005.