If you really believe that The Phenom calls shots with creative you are going to have to give some proof! If that were true then I do believe that Undertaker would have won the title several more times than he has, he wouldn't lose stupid matches to the Big Slow and he wouldn't be in a fued with management. Obviously HHH calls shots with creative, hell, he comes up with most of the story line ideas and finishes. HHH will only lose the title to one person on Smackdown right now and that person is Undertaker and it will be at Wrestlemania. Jeff Hardy might get it for a month to transition to the new year but HHH will be champion come Wrestlemania and Undertaker will get the shot. Anyone dispute this idea? Please, do tell!
The Triple H Thread
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Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
True. But don't discount all the hard work he did to get to wear he was at. People tend to forget that HHH was a five time champion before even marrying Stephanie. I like to call that blind hatred idiocy.
It's kind of hard for him to not stick his nose were it belongs. It's fucking huge. Plus he did marry into the McMahon family. As a member of that family is it really wrong for him to give his input into what goes on? NO. Absolutely not, he is really looking out for the best of the company. Despite what the smarks think.
Jealousy brings out the best in people doesnt it? The thin is. He IS better than everyone else SANS Cena in the WWE. He gets everyone to care about the show one way or the other. This can't be said about Punk, Batista, and even the smarks favorite Jericho. He is the best. It shows too. More peopke watch Smackdown than Raw anymore.
Why? Many others have wrestled and had input in creative decision. It's also what he will be doing when he actually does retire. It would be ridiculous for him to not have any experience in this department.
When others actually prove that they deserve that spot, he will give it to them. He's given it up before, he can do it again. It's just right now, there is no man better for the job. I'd love for you to refute me on this too.
So the locker room leader has absolutely no say in what he does. If you think he doesnt you're on fucking drugs. He has been with the company long enough to veto anything he doesnt want to do. Same with the other established stars. It's the way it works. It's a thing called respect.
Good point. But you realize that he has a say in what he wants to do. Maybe he feels he doesnt need the title. Or maybe he knows he cant keep up with the work schedule that being a champion entails.
LOL. HHH will probably lose the title before Wrestlemania. There is no way they are going to have Triple H go into a match with the Undertaker at WM now. Especially with Triple H as champ. Two top stars. Title vs. Streak means alot yes. But it wont happen with Triple H. NOT because of Triple H. But moreso because The Undertaker will be busy with helping younger talent. Same as Triple H has been doing for the past year. Just because he has went over them does not mean he isnt making them look good. Hell, I though Jeff Hardy had a legit shot at taking the title off of Trips at No Mercy. He made Jeff look like a million bucks at that show. He also made Kahli look good in their feud as well. Then again let me put on my hate goggles.
"Triple H Sucks. He doesnt put over anyone, because he doesnt let them pin him"
I just did. Please take all the time necessary to use your hate goggles and come up with a ridiculous statement.
Wow.
Triple H got pinned twice in three days. Has that happened... Ever?
Anyway.. What's next for Trips?
I think he'll chase the belt until the Rumble, then lose and start something with Kozlov, leaving Edge to feud with Hardy over the belt. I'm hoping he steps away from the main event scene for a little bit. He's become stale to me. :| I'm not sure that he'll be away from the belt for long, though. I can very easily see him being involved in the title match at WM. Eh, I don't know. I really don't see one definite path for HHH to go down, now.
In the immediate future, I see him getting a rematch pretty quick. At the next PPV, most likely. Then a gimmick match to end the feud with Edge at the Rumble. I'm hoping he loses. But, if he does, and isn't involved in the title match at WM, what will he be doing? Hm.
Triple H got pinned twice in three days. Has that happened... Ever?
Anyway.. What's next for Trips?
I think he'll chase the belt until the Rumble, then lose and start something with Kozlov, leaving Edge to feud with Hardy over the belt. I'm hoping he steps away from the main event scene for a little bit. He's become stale to me. :| I'm not sure that he'll be away from the belt for long, though. I can very easily see him being involved in the title match at WM. Eh, I don't know. I really don't see one definite path for HHH to go down, now.
In the immediate future, I see him getting a rematch pretty quick. At the next PPV, most likely. Then a gimmick match to end the feud with Edge at the Rumble. I'm hoping he loses. But, if he does, and isn't involved in the title match at WM, what will he be doing? Hm.
DeadmanFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
I also hope he steps back from the title scene for a while. It certainly would allow WWE to be a lot more innovative when it comes to story lines, and an Edge-Hardy feud from the new year to mania would certainly be an exciting one. But, we all know Trips doesn't stay out of the title hunt for long, unless he is hurt.
I don't know what he'd be doing otherwise. The only other person he could be feuding with is Taker, as it appears that he is finished with Show. But that has already been done at Mania and adding Trips to the streak again would be almost as stale as another HHH main event there.
I think Triple h should work with Kozlov, and build him up for the future. A feud in which Kozlov ultimately prevails over Triple H would do wonders for him...but let's face it, Triple H doesn't have a history of building people up...
BTW, I am not a Triple H hater, he has just been boring to me this year.
I don't know what he'd be doing otherwise. The only other person he could be feuding with is Taker, as it appears that he is finished with Show. But that has already been done at Mania and adding Trips to the streak again would be almost as stale as another HHH main event there.
I think Triple h should work with Kozlov, and build him up for the future. A feud in which Kozlov ultimately prevails over Triple H would do wonders for him...but let's face it, Triple H doesn't have a history of building people up...
BTW, I am not a Triple H hater, he has just been boring to me this year.
The Undercover Man
(:OD)
I was so glad that Triple H dropped the title, i did'nt think he was a bad champion but he was very boring and was starting to become stale. His match last night was good, infact it was excellent. Him and Kozlov showed some great mat wrestling and its just a shame the crowd could'nt notice what a good match it was. So whats next for Triple H? I'd say a feud with Edge presumably or maybe a little spell away from the mainevent of indeed WWE. After all he has held the title for a long time and deserves a break. I hope Triple H does stay away from the title and lets others prosper from holding such a belt
I seriously think that HHH dropped the title just so that he could either win another royal rumble, or another elimination chamber. Edge will probably feud with hardy for a while, meanwhile we'll have the story of HHH as the "underdog", as vickie throws challenge after challenge at him in order to earn his title shot. Eventually he will win the rumble or the elimination chamber, despite overwhelming odds, and challenge edge at wrestlemania. I'm almost positive this is the direction things will go.
Edgeheadfan
Dark Match Winner
You know it doesn't matter what happen the fans will always Bash HHH for holding this person down and that he the reason jeff hardy is not able to win a title he has no right going after this man love WWE more then bret hart and we attack him yet to cheer people like MVP and Jeff hardy who only in WWE for the money
for longest time everyone say HHH title reign was getting stale when it was only one month into it see the problem is it HHH its the fans everything Y2J said about us Last night is true.
We want to be shock then we bitch and cry about it like 16 year old girls
We want Young green wrestler to win the WWE title their first year ( MVP and Mr Kennedy) and when they don't we blame the old wrestler for holding them down even though their not
for longest time everyone say HHH title reign was getting stale when it was only one month into it see the problem is it HHH its the fans everything Y2J said about us Last night is true.
We want to be shock then we bitch and cry about it like 16 year old girls
We want Young green wrestler to win the WWE title their first year ( MVP and Mr Kennedy) and when they don't we blame the old wrestler for holding them down even though their not
Triple-H now has more material to gow tih now that he has lost the title. I believe this will make his character even better and strenghten him for a feud with Edge. There are still viable feuds for Triple-H that he has not been through in a while. He can still feud with Big Show and MVP, two great wrestlers he has not feuded with recently and I can see it being a good program if written well. Triple-H did a good job as champ. I did not like the constant beating of Jeff Hardy simply because it was face on face and I hate that but Triple-H served his purpose. I hope they can expand his character.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
I'm most interested in seeing where HHH goes after the Rumble when he loses to Edge in the one on one match. He'll be out of the way with Hardy and Edge and move onto whomever he's facing at Mania. The only big name player left on SD for him to face is Big Show, as MVP simply isn't there yet, at least not in a long term feud. HHH and Big Show had a mini feud about 3 years ago, but they never had a proper finish to it that I recall. With Show being alligned with Vickie, or at least tied to her, it would be a good way to transition HHH into a rivalry with her and her cronies, which would at least be entertaining.
Canadian Knight
Maple Leaf Warrior
I am actually surprised that HHH does not have the belt. I thought they would have put it back on HHH, but I guess they want us to be surprised. Well, I guess we will see how long it will be before they decide to put the belt back on HHH.
So here we are, now a good 16 months since the return of Triple H to the WWE, and what exactly have we seen accomplished. Nothing.
Triple H has successfully been able to interject himself into the Cena vs. Orton feud which should have been the match at Wrestlemania. Triple H has won a WWE title, in which he put no one over in the process of a title reign, that is a big no no for a guy pushing 40. You don't have dominant title reigns, and make no one look good in the process.
This Triple H reign of terror known as teh year of 2008 has seen Triple H finish number 2 in the Royal Rumble, go over yet again in an elimination chamber, not take the pinfall at Wrestlemania, Win the WWE Title from Randy Orton and not put him over at all, beat Edge, Beat John Cena in a rematch, and go over Jeff Hardy numerous times, lie down at Survivor Series only after taking a chair shot and the Spear, and then watched as Edge lied down for Jeff Hardy. What txactly does this contribute to the WWE?
Triple H is pushing 40, and we've gone, shit I don't even know how long it is, since he's put someone over. He has only lost twice in one on one matches cleanly, and both times were roll up victories, and both times were to Jeff Hardy, a star on the rise. It's time for Triple H to do what's best for the business. He needs to lie on his ass, take a finishing maneuver, and let someone go over him cleanly. No roll ups, no getting beat by 2 or 3 guys and lying down, no lying next to someone as someone else gets pinned, Triple H, on his back for 3 seconds, 1,2,3.
Triple H has successfully been able to interject himself into the Cena vs. Orton feud which should have been the match at Wrestlemania. Triple H has won a WWE title, in which he put no one over in the process of a title reign, that is a big no no for a guy pushing 40. You don't have dominant title reigns, and make no one look good in the process.
This Triple H reign of terror known as teh year of 2008 has seen Triple H finish number 2 in the Royal Rumble, go over yet again in an elimination chamber, not take the pinfall at Wrestlemania, Win the WWE Title from Randy Orton and not put him over at all, beat Edge, Beat John Cena in a rematch, and go over Jeff Hardy numerous times, lie down at Survivor Series only after taking a chair shot and the Spear, and then watched as Edge lied down for Jeff Hardy. What txactly does this contribute to the WWE?
Triple H is pushing 40, and we've gone, shit I don't even know how long it is, since he's put someone over. He has only lost twice in one on one matches cleanly, and both times were roll up victories, and both times were to Jeff Hardy, a star on the rise. It's time for Triple H to do what's best for the business. He needs to lie on his ass, take a finishing maneuver, and let someone go over him cleanly. No roll ups, no getting beat by 2 or 3 guys and lying down, no lying next to someone as someone else gets pinned, Triple H, on his back for 3 seconds, 1,2,3.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
ah father. we meet yet again. Now lets take an absolutely unbiased look at what has been done here...
Put nobody over?? Really??? I guess we have all forgot that putting someone over has absolutely ZERO to do with who wins and who loses. Zero. Nothing. You know why JeffHardy came to look like a legitimate contender?? Do you know why everyone was on the edge of their seats during every ppv of the last 4 months?? It was becuase Triple H MADE them do that. Jeff Hardy would be nothing without his involvement with Triple H. Over??? yes of course. Seemingly legit?? Looking like he is "just that close" ?? Never. Its all in how your opponet makes you look. It is undeniable that Triple H has looked like he has been BARELY skating by Jeff Hardy, getting lucky. You may not think so, but its becuase your smart to it. To the general fan, the people this product is DIRECTED toward, Jeff Hardy has been better than Triple H for quite some time now. Your biased hate wont let you see it, but this is the truth. Your only as belivable as your opponet makes you look. Just ask the Great Khali, who Triple H made look better than anyone, with maybe the exception of Cena.
Whom exactly would you say wouldve been a better option over the last year?? On SD?? I would love to hear it, I truly would. Please, enlighten me. Lets go ahead and remember which of us has been to four live events this year. Triple H routinely gets the biggest pops of the night, is among the top 3 most over, capable, known guys they have. It was a useless reighn, and everyone, including him most likely, knows it. He needed to carry the show, the title, the Federation while we are in this time of flux. Triple H was booked to long strong?? No shit. welcome back to the old school style of booking.
The WWE needs guys the kiddies can count on. Triple H and Cena are those guys.
Who wouldve even looked CLOSE to legitimate enough to beat Triple H?? Decisively?? Please, direct me to these individuals. Now ill hear all this delusional favortism bullshit about Morrison, and Kendrick, and blabbity blah. You all know its bullshit. Whule we are at it, why the fuck dont I just say "Oh Jack Swagger should have beaten him 47 times straight in an iron man match, cuz dats duh only way to put neone over!!!!"
Please. People act like they have never watched professional wrestling before.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Norcal is right here based on one concept. Just like Cena's year long reign, HHH's reign this year can be summed up in one simple concept: he was champion because no one else could be. HHH was much like Orton as champion before him. He feuded with everyone there was to feud with, and when there was no one left to feud with, he lost the title. Losing to Edge was suprising and got the title off of him effectively. The biggest flaw was simply that he wouldn't lose to Hardy clean. However the Edge title reign may have been better, as it was quick and got people talking, then let Hardy get the belt that he has earned. HHH was fine, as was his reign.
ah father. we meet yet again. Now lets take an absolutely unbiased look at what has been done here...
Put nobody over?? Really??? I guess we have all forgot that putting someone over has absolutely ZERO to do with who wins and who loses. Zero. Nothing. You know why JeffHardy came to look like a legitimate contender?? Do you know why everyone was on the edge of their seats during every ppv of the last 4 months?? It was becuase Triple H MADE them do that. Jeff Hardy would be nothing without his involvement with Triple H. Over??? yes of course. Seemingly legit?? Looking like he is "just that close" ?? Never. Its all in how your opponet makes you look. It is undeniable that Triple H has looked like he has been BARELY skating by Jeff Hardy, getting lucky. You may not think so, but its becuase your smart to it. To the general fan, the people this product is DIRECTED toward, Jeff Hardy has been better than Triple H for quite some time now. Your biased hate wont let you see it, but this is the truth. Your only as belivable as your opponet makes you look. Just ask the Great Khali, who Triple H made look better than anyone, with maybe the exception of Cena..
Jeff Hardy could have wrestled anyone and been as over. If Jeff Hardy was facing John Cena, and the exact same scenario came about, Jeff Hardy would have gotten the same reaction. Triple H had nothing to do with it except for being a role player. If Triple H is all about getting Hardy over, then why not have a nice straight pinfall, oh wait, I'm guess we're saving that one for their fifteenth meeting of the last year for Wrestlemania, where Triple H can hog the spotlight yet again, and finally do us all a favor, and finally "put" Jeff over. Jeff Hardy was getting massive pops against Orton, or anyone else he's faced this year. The Jeff Hardy snowball started to roll when he came back to the WWE, Triple H tried to hang his coat tails on it as much as he could.
Well since that's pretty much two paragraphs of the same. Let's start. How about give Edge a legit world title run? Perhaps the Undertaker, hell maybe even try the Big Show out for some fun. Why does Triple H need to go over Edge at the Great American Bash? Why was the one off match essentially wasted when the two could have had a good wrestlemania build? Triple H, establishing himself as dominant champion perhaps? Or what the hell was the point of going over John Cena, the future of the damn company? That match served no purpose but to put Triple H over yet again. That would have been fine and dandy in 2006, but this is 2008, and this is John Cena's company. There are plenty of other options out there, and plenty of guys that get the crowd reaction Triple H does, whether it be face or heel.
Long title reigns are designed with an end game in purpose. All of the great wrestlers bring someone up to their level, and eventually pass the title onto someone. Triple H not taking a pinfall loss outside of Jeff Hardy in two roll up scenarios, adn then "passing" the title to Edge after taking chair shots and finishing maneuvers is hardly putting anyone over. The title reign was designed to make a 40 year old man look like the big shit, when he should be worried about the future of the company he'll inherit, instead of his own legacy.
Shocky already replied better than I ever could. But I don't disagree with you much so I'm taking the oppertunity. That and I love to bash The Game.
True, it's about making you opponent look your equal before you lose or beat them.
Several weeks ago Jeff Hardy faced Undertaker one week, Triple H the next. Who did a better job of putting Hardy over? The big dead zombie who doesn't usually sell, or the heavily tanned guy who sells bi-monthly.
Randy Orton & Umaga.
I don't think Triple H had anything to do with the popularity of Jeff Hardy. If anything Hardy is popular in spite of him. Did anybody think it would be Jeff who beat Triple H for the title.
Several weeks ago most people thought Kozlov would be getting the WWE Title.
Is he more popular now than he was years ago, or is he just getting more exposure?
Come on Norcal, January was only a year ago. More people predicted he'd get a short, pointless reign before Mania than expected him to win on Sunday.
If anything you can thank Orton for solidifying him as a potential main event superstar.
I fail to see it as scraping by when he kicks out of his finishing moves. Jeff has kicked out of The Pedigree, but he's also been pinned by it. How many times has the Swanton finished off Triple H?
With wrestling viewers at a low, is it general fans who are still tuning in, or us geeks that watch each week?
There aren't many casual viewers. The people who are still watching are us.
I agree, Jeff Hardy is great at selling.
I've never seen Khali look so vulnerable in a match.
For Jeff Hardy to get the rub off?
Big Show. Instead of losing to Undertaker and doing nothing for either of them. He could have been losing to Jeff Hardy. The guy is going to be an underdog champion anyway, so he way as well be and underdog to a giant.
Damn, I've been 3. But I did see two TNA shows and some indy stuff.
Hardy get's bigger. Triple H's popularity is waning. He get's large pops, just not the largest. But it's always been the same. No matter how hard he tries, he'll never be as loved as other wrestlers.
Cena
Undertaker
Jeff Hardy
Batista & Rey Mysterio, maybe
He's not even in the top 3.
He's very consistent, I agree.
Huh?
It was, he went over everybody. But didn't help anyone in the process.
Nobody was really harmed by him, certainly not anybody of value. But after a 6 month pus reign, he should have lost in a one-on-one match, clean.
It's sad that they need a broken down 40 year old to carry the show. Maybe if he'd put over some younger wrestlers instead of ONLY 40 plus Dave Batista, he wouldn't need to carry the show.
Difference being that while somebody like Hogan was always booked strongly, he was booked weaker than his opponents. Till he beat them that is.
Kids as in viewers or young wrestlers?
Aren't wrestlers like Khali the only ones that are supposed to appear unbeatable?
Undertaker, Big Show, John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, Jeff Hardy & Edge.
Imagine what it would do for the career of Jack Swagger if he beat Triple H, clean.
True, it's about making you opponent look your equal before you lose or beat them.
Several weeks ago Jeff Hardy faced Undertaker one week, Triple H the next. Who did a better job of putting Hardy over? The big dead zombie who doesn't usually sell, or the heavily tanned guy who sells bi-monthly.
Randy Orton & Umaga.
I don't think Triple H had anything to do with the popularity of Jeff Hardy. If anything Hardy is popular in spite of him. Did anybody think it would be Jeff who beat Triple H for the title.
Several weeks ago most people thought Kozlov would be getting the WWE Title.
Is he more popular now than he was years ago, or is he just getting more exposure?
Come on Norcal, January was only a year ago. More people predicted he'd get a short, pointless reign before Mania than expected him to win on Sunday.
If anything you can thank Orton for solidifying him as a potential main event superstar.
I fail to see it as scraping by when he kicks out of his finishing moves. Jeff has kicked out of The Pedigree, but he's also been pinned by it. How many times has the Swanton finished off Triple H?
With wrestling viewers at a low, is it general fans who are still tuning in, or us geeks that watch each week?
There aren't many casual viewers. The people who are still watching are us.
I agree, Jeff Hardy is great at selling.
I've never seen Khali look so vulnerable in a match.
For Jeff Hardy to get the rub off?
Big Show. Instead of losing to Undertaker and doing nothing for either of them. He could have been losing to Jeff Hardy. The guy is going to be an underdog champion anyway, so he way as well be and underdog to a giant.
Damn, I've been 3. But I did see two TNA shows and some indy stuff.
Hardy get's bigger. Triple H's popularity is waning. He get's large pops, just not the largest. But it's always been the same. No matter how hard he tries, he'll never be as loved as other wrestlers.
Cena
Undertaker
Jeff Hardy
Batista & Rey Mysterio, maybe
He's not even in the top 3.
He's very consistent, I agree.
Huh?
It was, he went over everybody. But didn't help anyone in the process.
Nobody was really harmed by him, certainly not anybody of value. But after a 6 month pus reign, he should have lost in a one-on-one match, clean.
It's sad that they need a broken down 40 year old to carry the show. Maybe if he'd put over some younger wrestlers instead of ONLY 40 plus Dave Batista, he wouldn't need to carry the show.
Difference being that while somebody like Hogan was always booked strongly, he was booked weaker than his opponents. Till he beat them that is.
Kids as in viewers or young wrestlers?
Aren't wrestlers like Khali the only ones that are supposed to appear unbeatable?
Undertaker, Big Show, John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, Jeff Hardy & Edge.
Imagine what it would do for the career of Jack Swagger if he beat Triple H, clean.
To a Triple H fan, of course there was nothing wrong with this year in WWE. And you know what? There are a lot of HHH fans out there, so there are a lot of people who loved his reign and see nothing wrong with what he has done this year. And if I were a fan of the guy, I would feel the exact same way. But I'm not, so I have to agree with Jake and Shocky.
However, while 2008 was just another year of HHH's bullshit, I still have faith that sometime soon he'll start doing what's right for business, instead of himself (I would put, "instead of himself and his fans", but I doubt HHH really cares that much about his fans). I mean, we have to admit.. the guy, even though he's 40, hasn't aged at all these last five years, and he can still work when he wants to. So, it's not completely unacceptable that he is still being the HHH of 2003. However, when that time comes where he is obviously way over the hill and is just becoming an embarrassment to keep as a top guy, he might start putting over the next generation finally. How long will that take? I have no idea, but hopefully not too long from now.
However, while 2008 was just another year of HHH's bullshit, I still have faith that sometime soon he'll start doing what's right for business, instead of himself (I would put, "instead of himself and his fans", but I doubt HHH really cares that much about his fans). I mean, we have to admit.. the guy, even though he's 40, hasn't aged at all these last five years, and he can still work when he wants to. So, it's not completely unacceptable that he is still being the HHH of 2003. However, when that time comes where he is obviously way over the hill and is just becoming an embarrassment to keep as a top guy, he might start putting over the next generation finally. How long will that take? I have no idea, but hopefully not too long from now.
tehblogger
The Young God, walking abroad
Someone who says "Triple H gets the biggest pops of the night" is clearly not objective; they're either a delusional HHH fan or they're lying through their teeth. Hardy and gets way bigger pops (heck, arguably Matt Hardy and Taker do too), not to mention Batista and Cena on RAW. And as for the "boring" chants at Survivor Series, and the pops when Edge and Hardy showed up...
Triple H has done nothing for anybody this year. He did nothing for Orton, although admittedly he didn't do TOO much harm. He did nothing for Edge, although that said he didn't go over him cleanly either. He did go cleanly over Cena, which was clearly petty spite, paying back his loss at Mania 22. He did nothing for Hardy. I do not understand who taking a guy's finisher and then not only kicking out of it but instantly rolling him up is putting someone over. It doesn't make him look strong. It makes you look badass. To do this at 2 straight PPVs has made Hardy look like a transitional champion (which IMO he is) and totally took the impact out of Hardy's eventual title win at Armageddon. Well, Hardy's win was a shock, but instead of everyone thinking "finally he's done it!", we're all thinking "when's Triple H going to get it back".
We all know that Triple H books himself. He decides when he wins, how he wins, and how and when he loses. Just look at how he won the title: in a dominant manner, cleanly pinning Orton at the end of a Fatal Fourway elimination match. And how he lost it: after a bruising encounter with Kozlov in which he had the upper hand, he took a spear then a chair shot and THEN took the pin. Imagine, say, you were Edge or Hardy or Kozlov or Cena or Orton. And you had to watch Triple H booking himself like this. When you can't. You'd think he was a fucking douchebag.
Triple H has done nothing for anybody this year. He did nothing for Orton, although admittedly he didn't do TOO much harm. He did nothing for Edge, although that said he didn't go over him cleanly either. He did go cleanly over Cena, which was clearly petty spite, paying back his loss at Mania 22. He did nothing for Hardy. I do not understand who taking a guy's finisher and then not only kicking out of it but instantly rolling him up is putting someone over. It doesn't make him look strong. It makes you look badass. To do this at 2 straight PPVs has made Hardy look like a transitional champion (which IMO he is) and totally took the impact out of Hardy's eventual title win at Armageddon. Well, Hardy's win was a shock, but instead of everyone thinking "finally he's done it!", we're all thinking "when's Triple H going to get it back".
We all know that Triple H books himself. He decides when he wins, how he wins, and how and when he loses. Just look at how he won the title: in a dominant manner, cleanly pinning Orton at the end of a Fatal Fourway elimination match. And how he lost it: after a bruising encounter with Kozlov in which he had the upper hand, he took a spear then a chair shot and THEN took the pin. Imagine, say, you were Edge or Hardy or Kozlov or Cena or Orton. And you had to watch Triple H booking himself like this. When you can't. You'd think he was a fucking douchebag.
Its not an unbiased look when you're a HHH fan.
I believe Shawn Michaels did more in 3 seconds than HHH did his whole entire feud with Jeff. Firstly, Shawn Michaels took the swanton and got pinned from the swanton. Hardy never pinned HHH cleanly. Most if not all were by roll ups, or from outside help. When Jeff finally won the title he pinned Edge.
Jeff was over the whole entire year, and I believe Orton made him a true contender. That shit leading up to WM was pretty entertaining.
HHH reign did nothing for the business, it didn't make anyone legit, it just cemented HHH legacy while every other contender looked weak...
It looks as though HHH is going to be feuding with Koslov next. Interesting idea, but I really hope that this just doesn't end with HHH being the one to finally end Koslov's streak. HHH doesn't need that feather in his cap, but on the other hand, I can't see HHH agreeing to lose cleanly. So I guess the options are either: 1. HHH ends the streak (lame and unnecessary), or 2. Outside interference gets in the way of a clean Koslov victory (also lame and predictable).
I hope that there's another trick up creative's sleeve on this one, or this is not going to be a feud that ends well or in an interesting way.
I hope that there's another trick up creative's sleeve on this one, or this is not going to be a feud that ends well or in an interesting way.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
WOW, what an absolutely silly ass thing to say. Becuase he is my favorite wrestler, I cant look at the situation objectively apparently??? In correct. Id be more inclined to say that all of YOU cant look at the situation objectively, for blind hatred. anything the man does, he cant win with you people, so how is that unbiased??? If he wins, he is burying people, if he loses he is only trying to make it "seem" like he isnt burying people. its ridiculous. And the continuing claims that "has ta be pined by da swanton or he didnt put no nobody overz" is absolutley absurd, and you all know it. Since when did you need to get pinned by someone and their finisher to put them over?? thats not at ALL what its about, and you all either know this, and are ignoring it in the name of blind Triple H hate, or you just dont know shit about wrestling.
gee, im pretty sure ive been there live three times. and its actually gotten louder as the year has gone on. and he ROUTINELY gets one of the top 3 pops of the night, and its not really close. anyone who denies this is obviously blinded and made ignorant by hate, a delusional Triple H hater, or someone who is lying through their teeth.
Triple-H was the only credible champion to hold Smackdown up for the last year while Edge was feuding with Undertaker and then when he got hurt. While I did not necissarily like all the Trips-Hardy matches, they did make Hardy look legit in a strange way. Triple-H needs a fresh feud now whether its for the title or not. He has not been in a good feud with a hardcore heel since his feud with Orton. He can put a young heel over without losing to the heel consistently. If Trips stays face, he should probably feud with Edge or possibly Big Show. We have not seen a quality Triple-H-Big Show feud. I know many of you will say Big Show is shit and that their match styles will not work, I would say WHO CARES? The Big Show has been in many entertaining fueds before with men such as the Rock and Big Bossman who were both half his size practically. MVP would be a good choice since we have not officially seen triple-H-MVP yet and I think it would be a good jump start for MVP's career. I just want to see Triple-H remain in the hunt until he is ready to retire from a wrestler point of view.
I'll ignore this because I think you can, I just don't think you are.
Nice try Norcal, if that is your real name. I'm more than happy to give credit to Triple H if he does something of merit.
Example: Well done to Triple H for making a star out of Batista, three years ago.
It's just a shame he doesn't put more effort into doing that with younger, more talented wrestlers. By this I do not mean that Russian.
Because even when somebody is taking the piss:
They're usually right.
He does it so often it's hard to say he isn't. When was the last time he put somebody over without hampering them in some way?
Like not losing in the same way everybody else does?
What's ridiculous is that on this year's Smackdown vs. Raw I can't pin Triple H after one finishing move. At least it's realistic, I guess.
Not at all. If it's so absurd then why hasn't he done it yet?
Since when did people stop doing that?
One thing I do know, Triple H hasn't put over the WWE Champion yet.
WWE are known to record & play fan audio. I'm not saying this happens when Triple H comes through that curtain. I'm just saying that he's not, and never has been the most over guy in the company. He's just been built that way.
I dispelled this, he's not even the most over guy on Smackdown.
I'm not posting it again, it's about 3 posts up.
Oh ok.
Cena
Undertaker
Jeff Hardy
Batista & Rey Mysterio, maybe
Wait, I didn't include Edge last time.
With a slight edit I could say the same thing for you.
Edge, December-April.
Finished, give or take, when Triple H went to Smackdown.
Took time off.
Hardy looked legit before he had matches with Triple H.
Which young up and comer should he put over? I don't mean lose to, I mean make look competitive.
The Brian Kendrick, Shelton Benjamin, MVP, Kennedy?
Not in his league? Shouldn't he make them?
Is that the one he won definitively?
So is Orton more of a star now than he was before?
But he beat him, in a nothing match.
Yes, he should put over the overweight, 40 year old giant. The guy who he's never had any quality matches with. And who he's beaten numerous times.
But we've seen it. What we haven't seen is Mr. Kennedy vs. Triple H.
You like, read my mind man.
The people who have to watch.
???
I remember them sharing a ring a few times. Hardy a feud worth remembering.
Casket surfing does not maketh a feud.
Not even Rey Mysterio is half his size. Or even Hornswoggle. You also picked two very large men.
What do you think the odds on MVP's next win being against Triple H are?
No, I want to see him use his talents to put over the wrestlers that'll hopefully be carrying the company at some point.
tehblogger
The Young God, walking abroad
Lol, you don't need to get pinned by someone's finisher to put them over, but it sure as fuck helps. HHH did nothing for Hardy. Umaga did, but most of all Orton did. That feud made Hardy look like a genuine world title contender. HHH took Hardy's finisher and then pinned him seconds later.
There is a reason Triple H "can't win" with the IWC - he books himself and we know it. And he has booked himself to put someone over properly ONCE - Batista. Props to him for doing so, but it only ever happened with one guy. And he's been rolled up by Hardy a couple times, usually from behind, and lost cleanly to the face of the company - a loss he payed back this year. That's fucking it. Hardly building the superstars of tomorrow. This is irresponsible, stupid behaviour, particularly since the WWE is earmarked for his kids.
Oh, and if you book yourself to be the coolest face and the coolest heel all the time naturally the great unwashed will give you a nice pop. Still not on the same level as Hardy or Taker, though. Because they're better. Because they're true heroes - they lose, they suffer, they're not always so insufferably on top of it all.
tehblogger said:
Batista's paying for it now, ever wondered why his injury is being sold as Randy Orton's punt kick. Too make HHH look harder for taking one at WrestleMania.
I gotta agree with this, no matter how dominant HHH is he has never been the most over guy in the company, despite being booked like it. If it's Austin/Rock or Batista/Cena there has usually been more popular people on the WWE roster than HHH.
Rob B Hayek said:
I would say Undertaker and Edge are credible champions, as far as burying Hardy goes he should have carried right on.
I am a HHH fan, I think the guy is good but I gotta say that putting over a 40 year old man and demolishing your best up-and-comer (AKA Randy Orton) isnt the greatest business sense. Even if Orton was a stupid terd.
In the words of HBK himself "some of the best wrestlers of all time are insecure" maybe HHH needs to get over that insecurity and sacrifice some of his own legacy for the good of the company. It's not like he's ever really been the best anyway.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
How the fuck do you connect Triple H to Batista's current injury being sold as the result of Orton's punt?!?, that makes no sense what so ever, and may be one of the dumbest things I have ever fucking heard, howo does Orton punting Batista even make Trips look "harder"?!?, you ever think maybe the reason they wrote Batista's injury out the way the did cause Batista was currently feuding with Orton ad it was not only the easiest but most logical way to write Batista out?Orton fell out of the ring awkwardly, and fucked up his shoulder, what would you rather they done, had Orton continue and beat Trips in a Last Man standing match with one fucking arm, then disappear for months to recover from his injury?
So you're suggesting he just go out an job to every fucktard that he meets in the ring like Hacksaw? I swear this is the only thing that will make everyone who dislikes the guy happy, no matter what the guy does everyone just jumps online and posts a bunch of stupid nonsensical bullshit of how he's holding everyone down
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