The Triple H Thread

[Y 2 Jake]

Triple H believes there's a disconnect between him and the younger wrestlers, saying that a number of them are more concerned with their iPods or playing Guitar Hero than getting better in wrestling.

WWE has a style that for the most part all of them have to stick to. How exactly are they supposed to improve if they aren't given the oppertunity to talk, and all of them wrestle exactly the same?

"When I got into the business, you couldn't get me out of the building. I had a burning desire to get better. Now, the young guys seem more interested in their iPods or playing Guitar Hero,"

Didn't HHH have to hang around because he was waiting for the main eventers to finish? I hear he used to carry HBK, Nash & Hall's bags.

Triple H told the Ottawa Sun. "I see guys complaining: 'I've been here for five years and they're not doing anything with me.' I say to the guy: 'Dude, you've been doing the same thing now that you were five years ago. What do you expect?'"

Difference being that HHH has being doing exactly the same thing for 9 years now? While somebody like Carlito should improve, it's more important for HHH to at least remain intresting. He does main event more shows after all.

 

[AFC1986]

I hate it when people say he is where he is because he is married to Stephanie. If anything, there is more pressure on his shoulders to be the best and try to gain the chances to be in title match. I think he is a phenomenal wrestler and deserves to be a champion as he shown time and time again that he can be in matches with average wrestlers and make them look like world beaters. What I don't like about him is he is very repetitive in what he does. When he is heel, he will use the sledgehammer in every single match, if it's on Raw or on PPV. He is what Cena was a couple of years ago in that his matches are getting all too predictable and boring. I just wish he would step back from the main event picture and help young, promising wrestlers like MVP, Jeff and Kennedy get ready for a main event push

 

[GW Emperor]

My post for the official Triple H thread will explain why Triple H is undeservedly a multi time World Champion in the WWE. Triple H is underserved of such a status due to the following reasons:

Triple H is at best an Average Wrestler.
There is nothing good at all about Triple H’s wrestling ability, he has never performed a move that suggested he could truly wrestle, in fact everything wrestling wise that Triple H does the everyday person in life could do with little to no problem. Could you imagine what the talent of TNA, Ring of Honour, or half the WWE locker room would do to this guy in a real one on one wrestling match? He wouldn’t last 2 minutes with wrestlers such as Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin, Samoa Joe, Kofi Kingston, Finlay, AJ Styles etc.
It’s absolutely disgraceful that an average wrestler like Triple H gets to go into double figures on World Championship reigns, whereas far greater wrestlers such as Chris Benoit only have two World Championship reigns to their name.

Triple H’s wrestling performances are boring and far too predictable.
The move set of Triple H is unbelievably limited. It’s so easy to predict what this guy is going to do in a match and therefore this makes his performances a bore to watch. All this guy seems to do is chop blocks, facebuster knee smash, falling neckbreaker, figure four leg lock, high knee strike, jumping knee drop, spinning spine buster, pedigree, and punches and kicks. It seriously surprises me that the crowd don’t chant ‘same old shit’ and ‘you can’t wrestle’ to this guy. He should be given the nickname of Mr Predictable.

Triple H has only had a handful of truly good wrestling matches in his lifetime.
When Triple H is concerned the majority of his handful of wrestling matches that you could say were truly good, were all gimmick matches such as Elimination Chamber’s and Hell in a Cell’s, these being match types that even the crappest wrestlers could pull off a good performance in. When none gimmick matches are concerned it is rare that Triple H has a truly good match. The only truly good non gimmick wrestling matches that I recall Triple H having were all of his matches with Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle and Shawn Micheals. Therefore funnily enough against far superior wrestlers, and let’s be honest Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit are/were so great at wrestling that they could make even the crappest wrestler look good.

Behind the scenes the guy is an asshole and he holds the better and/or younger wrestlers back.
The majority of times that a wrestler is released from WWE and ends up conducting an interview they end up bad mouthing Triple H for reasons such as the guy being far too political and a nasty back stabbing piece of work. Wrestlers such as RVD, Jerry Lynn, Booker T are a small amount of the many names who have done so. There have also been many reporting’s leaked regarding Triple H calling people behind their backs, for example when he laughed off the Chris Jericho return regarding the save us promo, this he did with some wrestlers in the WWE locker room.
It is also blatantly obvious that Triple H has held back and continues to hold back the more deserved wrestlers in WWE. Examples of this have got to be the greatest wrestlers of all time Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, who should have won far more World Championships in WWE than what they did do. Other examples would be Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, and Booker T.
Triple H also rarely ever puts anyone over, and has an amazing win to loss record, which is just unfair when you consider that half the WWE roster are greater wrestlers than what he is.
Triple H is also clearly a steroid user, and it is highly unfair that other WWE superstars have to go through drug tests where as Triple H doesn’t, and then it gets worse when the guys who get found positive are either suspended or fired, whereas Triple H gets completely let off. Has anyone ever heard the story from 2003 when WWE asked Scott Steiner to have a steroid related drug test, in which Steiner replied he would only take the test if Triple H took one also? Then funnily enough WWE dropped the whole thing. What does that tell you eh?
Triple H is the type of guy who is long overdue for a good kicking in my opinion. I would love to give the guy a more uglier face than what he already has.

Triple H has been hogging the Main Event spots for far too long.
In WWE this guy has been a main eventer since way back in 1999, and if you combine this with the fact that he is not a great wrestler, it certainly suggests unfairness and can make WWE programming very boring indeed.
Watching WWE programming these days is sometimes like playing a cracked record, this since Triple H is almost always a main eventer and a World Champion. Triple H belonged to the era which consisted of guys like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock, and this era is unfortunately over. Triple H needs to step out of the main event spots completely and let the more deserved, better, and younger wrestlers take over.

With all of what I have stated in mind it clearly suggests that the only reason why Mr Predictable Triple H is into double figures with World Championship reigns, is because of his marriage to Stephanie McMahon, and therefore very close relationship with the McMahon family, who just happen to own WWE. If Mr Predictable wasn’t married to Stephanie then there is no way in a million years that this guy would have been as successful as he has been, as he is blatantly underserved of it. He would probably have been at most a 4 time World Champion in WWE, and at this present time period he would either be gone from WWE or will be battling in the mid card division, this for titles such as the Intercontinental Championship.

TRIPLE H SUCKS.

 

[jmt225]

I guess this is the appropriate place to comment on Mark Madden's new column. Now, before I get started, let me say that I do not like HHH. I can't stand him, to be honest. But if someone wants to praise him or even believe that he is "The Best Wrestler in the World", then that's fine. However, when you go calling people who dislike HHH "Internet Schmucks", "Internet blowhards", "Internet jerks", "Internet boobs", ect.... I have a problem with that. So, mods, there's some flaming in this, but it is in no way, shape or form intended for all the HHH fans here. Most HHH fans at this board have a brain and don't call people names just because they do not like the dude. However, Mark "Fatter then John" Madden cannot express his opinions that way and nothing in the rules state that we can't "flame" jackass column writers. I also asked permission from an Admin before posting this and got a green light. So, with that said, here we go:

Internet schmucks have caterwauled long and loud about the overrated mess that is Triple H, crediting his success to entering the sacred chamber of the princess rather than being that damn good.

You know, you should really come to this forum (this thread in particular) and see that hardly any HHH basher ever brings up HHH being married to Steph. In fact, I already addressed this subject to someone else in this very thread just a page back, so I'll just use the wonderful "Copy and Paste" method to show you my thoughts on using that as a scape goat for why people really hate Triple H.

TheRealLionheart089, said:

"I really dont understand why people hate HHH so much for 'marrying the bosses daughter' and say thats the only reason why he is succesful and isnt jobbing to Ultimate Warrior anymore."

My reply to the dude was as follows:

"Nobody hates him for that. We all wanted to fuck Stephanie back in 2001, so why would we blame him for it?

The fact of the matter is we don't like HHH because he's not worthy of the push he has received since his return in 2002. Whether he continously got there pushes because he's married to Steph is beside the point, because if the motherfucker entertained us regularly, none of us would ever bring it up. But he doesn't entertain us. He bores us. His matches are so lame nowadays. He does the same shit over and over, and looks like he doesn't give it his all everytime he is out there. His promos are God fucking awful. Either it's the half-ass Shane Douglas rip-off, or it's him trying to be a 40-year-old Jason Mewes. Both are lame and unoriginal, and his promos never serves a purpose whenever he cuts one except to bury people. You'll notice that HHH is the only wrestler given the leeway to shoot on people, and he definitely takes full advantage of it. So not only do we have to sit through 20 minutes of boring whenever the douche is on the mic, but we also have to put up with him completely burying someone we like. His feud with Cena is the perfect example of this.

Moreover, his intensity is such a joke. He does this long ass entrance that puts everyone to sleep, and the entire time he's trying to come off like he's pissed, but he looks ridiculous. He needs to watch a Tito Ortiz entrance to see how to be intense when walking into a war. And then in matches, as babyface the last couple of years, HHH always gets a long ass shine, then sells (badly, I might add) for a few minutes, and then gives the lamest comeback ever. It's unbareable to watch unless he's in there with someone great. And the sad part is that we all know he could do so much better, but his lazy now because of his injuries, and that pisses me off just like it would piss me off if a player on my favorite sports team didn't give it his all only because he was afraid of getting injured.

All that is why I don't like HHH. Him being married to Steph, I couldn't care more less about it."

So, you see Madden, him marrying Steph has nothing to do with why I dislike the motherfucker. There are many more, valid reasons in the above post why I believe HHH is just a shell of his former self and someone who should never be considered the "Best in the Business".

That notion was hopefully put to sleep once and for all at SummerSlam when Trips got a match out of Khali that was both passable and dramatic. I’m a Trips fan, but I still bet against that one. When you look at the entire oeuvre of Triple H – and view his work without malice aforethought – it’s impossible to not conclude that he is among the very best of his generation.

You really just show your ******ation over and over within this article, so early on. Did you watch the match? Khali did three times more offense in that match then HHH did, that is a fact. Also, if you consider that match better then Khali's matches against The Undertaker and Cena, then your taste in pro wrestling absolutely sucks and it kills whatever credibility you claim to have when it comes to the sport.

I put the criticism of Internet blowhards down to jealousy – jealous that they can’t get a girl like Stephanie,

Steph, in her prime mind you, was definitely one hot piece of ass who I, without any question, would've gotten with in a heartbeat. However, that doesn't make me "jealous" of someone who does get with her. I've wanted to fuck Jessica Simpson since I was 14 and now she's dating Tony Romo and my only hate towards him is that he plays for a team that I don't root for. However, I don't deny his talent. I still give credit where credit is do. Same case for someone like Brad Pitt, one of my favorite actors. He's married to Angelina Jolie. And even though, just like Steph, I would've love to fuck her back in the day, that doesn't make me jealous towards Pitt; it makes me happy for him since I am a fan. If Steph were to marry, I don't know, Big Show for example, I wouldn't be jealous, I'd be happy for them because I respect both of them in their own right. However, since she married a douchebag like HHH, it makes me jealous? Umm... no. I simply just don't like the motherfucker and his marital status has nothing to do with it.

jealous that they can’t get, a girl like Chyna,

If you honestly think fucking Chyna is a reason to be jealous of someone, then your taste in women is just as bad as your taste in pro wrestling.

jealous that they can’t touch the pleasure parts of any McMahon regardless of sex

So is this the type of shit you fantasize about? Internet fans giving Vince McMahon sexual favors? It takes no genius to see that there are things you would certainly do to get a job in 'E, huh?

jealous that they don’t know Motorhead

Do you honestly think most wrestling fans are die-hard Motorhead fans? Nothing against those guys, but I don't think someone is sitting around hating HHH just because he can hang out with some band, especially one who hasn't done anything significant in years.

jealous that they never hung out with Ric Flair

Fuck Flair. Another overrated cunt.

jealous that they’re not 12-time champions

Not jealous, but mad that someone as mediocre as HHH has been since 2002 could have so many title reigns. His first few were well deserving, but past that, the guy never did anything to justify him being champion so many times.

Trips has a couple flaws: He’ll bigfoot the occasional storyline. And no matter what he thinks, he just isn’t funny.

At least you state two things that are fact in your little article. Bravo.

But Trips has headlined a lot of big-money pay-per-views.

And? So has Sid Vicious, yet I bet you won't sing his praises.

The live crowd buys him as a legit badass.

A legit bad ass? Are you fucking kidding me? He has to have a sledge hammer for fans to think he could ever cause any real damage. I guarantee no one ever looks at Trips and says to themself, "I bet he could beat up Randy Couture."

He does great, intense promos.

No he does not. He does long, boring, unfunny promos. Just because he doesn't stutter on the mic doesn't make him a great promo cutter. You want an intense promo, watch Steve Austin or HBK when they're pissed about something. You want a funny promo, watch The Rock. Those are great promo cutters. HHH is a washed-up joke on the mic. He's never even tried to reinvent himself, even though the situation has called for it many of times.

Unlike say, Kurt Angle, he mostly understands what’s best for his character.

This is by far the most ******ed statement in the column. First of all, Kurt Angle is ten times the worker and promo cutter HHH has ever been. That is a 100% fucking fact. Now, as far as "understanding" the character shit, HHH is the one who sits in on production meetings, not Kurt Angle. I'm sure Angle in TNA can refuse not to do something every now and then, but I highly doubt he writes anything. And I'm 100% positive he didn't in WWE. HHH, on the other hand, is married to the head writer, and like I said, sits in on production meetings. So he at least has a chance to have a say so for what's best for his character. However, he only does that: What's best for him. Do you not have a problem with that? That HHH only does what's best for his character and no one else's? Are you that fucking ******ed? Hell, aren't you the same moron who said in another Wrestlezone article that DDP was one of the problems with WCW? You called him "DDPMe", if I remember correctly, yet you say it's alright for HHH to do only what's best for his character?

He has elevated lesser stars via his presence in groups like Evolution and DX, especially Batista.

Can you please name any other names then Batista HHH has elevated since 2002? Pretty please, with sugar on top?

His work is vastly underrated.

No, it's overrated.

He's a latter-day Harley Race.

The only thing HHH and Harley Race have in common is that the high knee is in both their arsenals. That's it.

Trips works a very deliberate style without looking slow.

He looks slow to me whenever he's out there.

Everything he does seems reasoned and logical, except when it makes sense to be ill-reasoned and illogical.

So no selling during a comeback is "reasoned and logical". You can do whatever you want to HHH, but when he hits that Spine Buster and gets up and does that lame pose, all of the sudden nothing is hurting him. He is in no pain whatsoever.

But, if you want to look past that and still say everything he does is logical, does that automatically make his matches good? Because everything "makes sense"? Undertaker can go out there and instantly pull guard and submit someone with a Ju-Jitsu hold and it would be logical. However, does that make it a good match?

He’s very reminiscent of Race and Johnny Valentine, two pretty good workers to be compared to.

You see, it's writers like you who are the schmucks. You say shit like this without giving any example or reason whatsoever. Yet, we're suppose to take you seriously?

Triple H has that Flair intangible, too. He keeps the crowd hooked.

First of all, that's not a "Flair intangible". If anything, that's a "Hogan intangible", dumb ass. Secondly, while more times then not, crowds do stay into HHH's matches, it's only because his match is usually the main storyline of the respective show. His match with Khali is one exception, but that's usually not the case. Even when the douche isn't champion, his shit completely takes over the show. Look at Benoit's run. Even Cena's storylines while he was champ got overshadowed by DX's lame ass shit.

Add it all up. Triple H is probably the best in the business right now, period.

So he's better then Shawn Michaels? The Undertaker? John Cena? Edge? I don't fucking think so. And if HHH is as great as you say he is, he wouldn't have drawn 2.9 as fucking champion of Raw. Punk draws better then that for Christ sake.

Why Internet jerks dislike him, I really don’t know.

I thought it was because we were so jealous of him? Guess you forgot you said that....

Internet geeks like to prove they’re smarter than the average bear by ignoring the obvious and using an irrelevant set of standards to choose “stars.”

You're the one ignoring the obvious here. I'm certain the most die-hard HHH fans at this board would never say half the ridiculous shit you're saying. Honestly, you come off as some fanboy with a serious hard-on for the guy.

Take, for example, Bryan Danielson of ROH. Good little worker. But give my promotion Triple H, yours can have Danielson, take a year to build up both and see who sells more tickets.

Well, duh genius. How many years does HHH have in the business? How long has he been UNFAIRLY on top of WWE? If all someone cares about is making money and not artistic integrity, of course they would take HHH over Danielson.

Yet a quorum of Internet boobs have crowned Danielson “the best worker in the world.” He couldn’t draw real money if you dipped him in superglue and dragged him through a bank vault.

"Internet boobs" play along to Danielson's character. Besides, I bet none of those "boobs" when praising Danielson come off half as bad as you do during this article.

Also, I love how you claim Danielson can't draw. While he's certainly no Cena, considering he's never been on the big stage to get name exposure, he's done quite well drawing for ROH and various other indies. If Danielson's drawing ability is as bad as you idiotically claim, then ROH would've gone out of business during Danielson's one year title reign. And yet, it's us HHH bashers who ignore the obvious, right?

I don’t often quote Hulk Hogan, but once, when he was asked who the best worker in wrestling was, he replied, “The guy with the most money.” He wasn’t far off.

I'm pretty sure Hogan meant to say, "The guy who draws the most money." And if you claim that guy is HHH, then you're even dumber then I thought.



In closing, this article Madden wrote was just an excuse for that douche to bash fans like us, who post our opinions on messageboards during our spare time, nothing more. For some reason, we touch a nerve with him because some of us don't like a couple of wrestlers who make his dick hard. Well, boo-fucking-hoo. Madden, get off your high horse. Just because you called a couple of matches during WCW's dying days (terribly, I might add), doesn't mean you know more then anyone else. All your articles come off as extremely biased. You throw all logic out the door and praise whoever you like, while burying those you aren't fond of, without ever giving logical points to your opinions. You're just a fucking joke, dude.

 

[Sparky]

You know, you should really come to this forum (this thread in particular) and see that hardly any HHH basher ever brings up HHH being married to Steph. In fact, I already addressed this subject to someone else in this very thread just a page back, so I'll just use the wonderful "Copy and Paste" method to show you my thoughts on using that as a scape goat for why people really hate Triple H.

Thats funny. it seems at least four times a week somebody is bringinig up that shit. "he wouldnt be wat he is if it wasnt for being married to Steph" etc. happens all the time. you mustnt of read this thread properly.

The fact of the matter is we don't like HHH because he's not worthy of the push he has received since his return in 2002. Whether he continously got there pushes because he's married to Steph is beside the point, because if the motherfucker entertained us regularly, none of us would ever bring it up. . He does the same shit over and over, and looks like he doesn't give it his all everytime he is out there. His promos are God fucking awful.

Thats bullshit. Triple H does deserve the title. he is a good entertainer, wrestle and is great on the Mic. seriously dude i bet you think CM Punk does deserve the push he is getting now? ever since CM Punk become champion i havent found Raw entertaining in the slightest.

But he doesn't entertain us. He bores us. His matches are so lame nowadays

everyone is has a right to their own opinion but please refrain from using the word us when you post. becouse I and most people in this forum and even off it find triple H entertaining. He does the same moves over and over again? right, so does Cena, Batista, CM Punk etc. get over it.

his promos never serves a purpose whenever he cuts one except to bury people.

I would much prefer to listen to HHH cut a promo rather then half the raw roster. and i thought you was supposed to talk smack to the person you was fueding with

Moreover, his intensity is such a joke. He does this long ass entrance that puts everyone to sleep, and the entire time he's trying to come off like he's pissed, but he looks ridiculous.

I love his entrance. he does look pissed and like he is ready for anything. it gets the crowd pumped not puts them to sleep

He needs to watch a Tito Ortiz entrance to see how to be intense when walking into a war.

I just lost all interest in ever agreeing with something you say.

And then in matches, as babyface the last couple of years, HHH always gets a long ass shine, then sells (badly, I might add) for a few minutes, and then gives the lamest comeback ever. It's unbareable to watch unless he's in there with someone great. And the sad part is that we all know he could do so much better, but his lazy now because of his injuries, and that pisses me off just like it would piss me off if a player on my favorite sports team didn't give it his all only because he was afraid of getting injured.

ah one of those people hey? really bro you dont give a shit about other people as long as your entertained. if somebody is at risk of injury they should have the right to FUCKING take it easy.

You really just show your ******ation over and over within this article, so early on. Did you watch the match? Khali did three times more offense in that match then HHH did, that is a fact. Also, if you consider that match better then Khali's matches against The Undertaker and Cena, then your taste in pro wrestling absolutely sucks and it kills whatever credibility you claim to have when it comes to the sport.

This match was ten times better then the cena Khali match. that was the worst match in cenas career. it was horrible.

Do you honestly think most wrestling fans are die-hard Motorhead fans? Nothing against those guys, but I don't think someone is sitting around hating HHH just because he can hang out with some band, especially one who hasn't done anything significant in years.

I love moter head. one of my top favourite bands.

Fuck Flair. Another overrated cunt.

Right dude you need to get your head checked. Flair overrated? let me guess who your favourite wrestles are. CM Punk, Eugene, Hornswoggle and Jim Duggan present status. you wouldnt know talent if it crueled up and bit you on the arse.

And? So has Sid Vicious, yet I bet you won't sing his praises.

I love Sid. the guy rocks. talented wrestler.

A legit bad ass? Are you fucking kidding me? He has to have a sledge hammer for fans to think he could ever cause any real damage. I guarantee no one ever looks at Trips and says to themself, "I bet he could beat up Randy Couture."

Yeah your right there but only becouse i dont know who the fuck that is.

No he does not. He does long, boring, unfunny promos. Just because he doesn't stutter on the mic doesn't make him a great promo cutter. You want an intense promo, watch Steve Austin or HBK when they're pissed about something. You want a funny promo, watch The Rock. Those are great promo cutters. HHH is a washed-up joke on the mic. He's never even tried to reinvent himself, even though the situation has called for it many of times.

the guys promos are good, and more enjoyable to watch. they might not be classic but they are good none the less.

This is by far the most ******ed statement in the column.

Hmmm...

Can you please name any other names then Batista HHH has elevated since 2002? Pretty please, with sugar on top?

is this the guy that jobbed to Cena? put jeff hardy over, Mr Kennedy to an extent.? Chris benoit?

So no selling during a comeback is "reasoned and logical". You can do whatever you want to HHH, but when he hits that Spine Buster and gets up and does that lame pose, all of the sudden nothing is hurting him. He is in no pain whatsoever.

most people do it. Cena Batista etc do it all the time.

Even Cena's storylines while he was champ got overshadowed by DX's lame ass shit.

THATS BECOUSE IT WAS MORE ENTERTAINING.

You're the one ignoring the obvious here. I'm certain the most die-hard HHH fans at this board would never say half the ridiculous shit you're saying. Honestly, you come off as some fanboy with a serious hard-on for the guy.

wait what? bull shit. how can you call yourself a die hard fan then make this post?


in closing. I really think this could of been made possible with out all this flaming. you sounded like a 13 year old. next time try to do it with out all the insults and shit. maybe then i will be able to read one of your posts with out making me skip half of it.

 

[rookie]

ha ha yeah . i find triple h a great entertainer. i actually dont mind him. but the only time i dont like him is when he is in the main event to much. for instance 2002-2004 ( mayeb even 2005) he was mostly in the main event . but how ever i believe he now knows when to stop. and by pushing younger kids liek jeff. he is becominf more loved. also jmt225 doesn't every one do the same moves over and over . i can think of a person who tries to do different moves in a match for a while now.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Sparky, that made me laugh. Congrats. I like you. And I would rep you, but it won't let me.. Anyway..

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I used to be a Trips hater.. I hated how he used backstage influence to move up the ladder.. I would always bring up the 'Boss' Daughter' card..

Sure he has his three foot nose stuck straight up Vince's ass, and sure he is married to Stephanie McMahon, and sure he uses his backstage power to get what he wants.. Fine. But isn't that what you do in any business? Kiss your boss' ass and politic your way to the top? What if Shawn Michaels or Taker married Steph? Would you take away from how great those guys are? No.

Bottom line, Triple was a damn good worker before he married Steph. He still is a damn good worker. God knows he's better than Hogan, Cena, and Batista.

 

[Sparky]

Sparky, that made me laugh. Congrats. I like you. And I would rep you, but it won't let me.. Anyway..

Why thank you. I appreciate that.

I used to be a Trips hater.. I hated how he used backstage influence to move up the ladder.. I would always bring up the 'Boss' Daughter' card..

But hopefully you have grown up and realised now that its pure bullshit right?

Sure he has his three foot nose stuck straight up Vince's ass, and sure he is married to Stephanie McMahon, and sure he uses his backstage power to get what he wants.. Fine.

Why cant people think that the reason he is married to Steph is becouse he I dont know... LOVES HER? I really can not beliave in any way shape or form it was becouse of who her father is.

But isn't that what you do in any business? Kiss your boss' ass and politic your way to the top?

I never did. I recently got a promotion. you know why? becouse i was good at what i do. not becouse i was slepping with my bosses daughter. if i was doing that i would most likely be in jail and with out a job seeing my bosses daughter is 13 but any way, you get places becouse you are good at what you do not by sucking up. even though i am sure it helps but i dont think Trips would suck up that much

What if Shawn Michaels or Taker married Steph? Would you take away from how great those guys are? No.

I am sure the HBK haters and the taker haters would.

Bottom line, Triple was a damn good worker before he married Steph. He still is a damn good worker. God knows he's better than Hogan, Cena, and Batista.

Cena and batista yes. Hogan? he would fall some what under. no matter how much i hate Hogan Trips isnt as good or better then him. its a known fact.

 

[Shocky]

See Sparky, I disagree, I'm one of the many that feel that Raw is immensely better with the absence of Triple H. It's open up huge, huge amounts of potential and story lines that simply didn't exist with a log jammer like Triple H sitting at the top of the mountain. For all the bitching and moaning people have done about John Cena with his Superman title reign, do they simply want to ignore the fact that in the last year, Triple H has exactly lost, what, twice, and in neither case did he put the other guy over?

Now with Punk as champion, people know that punk isn't superman, and potentially ever week there is a chance for him to lose and see a new champion. Hell, going into the Scramble at Unforgiven, Punk on paper is the biggest underdog champion since Kurt Angle at Armageddon 2000.

Triple H simply put, was not a good fit for Raw at this point. Too many stars over their that are capable of carrying a show just as good, if not better then the Game. Ratings on Raw have been higher then they were pre-Draft, so the WWE has done something right.

That's not to say Triple H hasn't benefited either though. Triple H belongs on smackdown. On Smackdown, there isn't anyone else on the roster that you could argue should be the champion right now. Smackdown is much younger, an dhas no one at this point that is ready to take the gold off of hunter. On Smackdown, he can beat as many people as he want, and no one should mind, because on that show, he is simply better then everyone he faces.

 

[Sparky]

Now that i agree with. Triple H does belong on Smackdown. it freshend up fued facters making it enjoyable for everyone. i didnt say i stopped watching it becouse of trips leaving i meant really since CM Punk became champion. it went down hill. I am not saying i am boycotting it just it went down hill but only becouse of the CM thing. I know he dont put some people over but there is the few that he does. Raw isnt really suited for him just like you said becouse there are people who deserve th title. at least on smackdown no body has the right to complain that he is champion. I like Trips, hate how people are always bashing him just like Jmt225 or what ever his name is, so i had to set him straight. I do find when he is champion it gets boring after a while. but he hasnt really been on smackdown that much since the draft. I know he just had a kid but he is the Champion. i am not his biggest fan but i like him.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Why thank you. I appreciate that.

Sure, sure.

But hopefully you have grown up and realised now that its pure bullshit right?

Right.

Why cant people think that the reason he is married to Steph is becouse he I dont know... LOVES HER? I really can not beliave in any way shape or form it was becouse of who her father is.

Oh, yeah. I don't think so either. I'm 100% sure he's married to her because he loves her.

I never did. I recently got a promotion. you know why? becouse i was good at what i do. not becouse i was slepping with my bosses daughter. if i was doing that i would most likely be in jail and with out a job seeing my bosses daughter is 13 but any way, you get places becouse you are good at what you do not by sucking up. even though i am sure it helps but i dont think Trips would suck up that much

You know Vince McMahon loves people that kiss his ass. Of course you have to be good, but just because Carlito is good does not mean he is going anywhere at the moment.

I am sure the HBK haters and the taker haters would.

I'm talking about those people who hate HHH because of his politics, backstage, but like HBK and Taker. I find that a little funny, too, because Shawn and Taker are great at using their influence to get what they want.

Cena and batista yes. Hogan? he would fall some what under. no matter how much i hate Hogan Trips isnt as good or better then him. its a known fact.

Hogan drew more than Trips. Fact. HHH is a much better guy in the ring, though.

 

[Doody-ka-ka]

Since this is the Triple H thread, I have a question for you all.

Will Triple H get pinned this year?

Talk about getting made more invincibe than Cena, who's been pinned 2-4 times this year already, Triple H has managed, even though I'm not completely sure, not to get pinned since November 2007, to a rollup by Jeff Hardy. And seriously, that doesn't even count. I'm talking Finisher - Pin here.

The last time he got pinned that way was at No Mercy, in his 3rd match of the night, against Randy Orton.

Just a little something to think about.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Wrestlemania, Buddy. Got pinned by Orton.

You're right, HHH is the most unnbeatable guy in the WWE. Why? 'Cause, simply, he is better than his opponents. I can't think of anything else. He was beaten in the Royal Rumble, too, by Superman himself. So, Triple H does lose.

Twice, maybe three times, a year.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Wrestlemania, Buddy. Got pinned by Orton.

You're right, HHH is the most unnbeatable guy in the WWE. Why? 'Cause, simply, he is better than his opponents. I can't think of anything else. He was beaten in the Royal Rumble, too, by Superman himself. So, Triple H does lose.

Twice, maybe three times, a year.

Actually, if you are referring to Wretlemania 24, Orton pinned Cena.

In regards to Triple H, I'll take the middle road here and say that he is a competent wrestler. However, I would not consider him one of the greatest of all time. Undoubtedly, Triple H had a great run between Summerslam 1999 and Wrestlemania X-Seven (so, roughly between mid-1999 and early 2001). He played the heel to the likes of Austin, Rock, and Foley very well.

But, besides these years, I have seen nothing from him that I would consider great. Since I have no knowledge of the goings-on behind the scenes in WWE, I can't justifiably attribute HHH's undeserved dominance to either his alleged politicking or his marriage. However, I think an argument can be made that this dominance does not come from merit but rather comes from attrition. By my count, there are eight former World Champions that became disassociated with the WWE between 2003 and 2008: Steve Austin, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesnar, Bill Goldberg, and Booker T.

In my opinion, I would rather see any one of the aforementioned wrestlers as a champion than Triple H any day (of course, this is hypothetical, as I am aware that it would be impossible for Benoit and Guerrero to be champions now).

Addendum (25 August 2008): I totally forgot about Rob Van Dam as champion (maybe it was because his reign was so darn short). Anyways, that makes nine former World Champions that became disassociated with the WWE between 2003 and 2008 (excluding Jericho). And, yes, I would take Rob Van Dam over Triple H any day (attribute this to my undying love for ECW). Jericho can also be added to this count as well, but I was never a fan of the idea of Jericho being World Champion during his first run with WWE. However, I now believe he is more than deserving of a title run in his current stint.

 

[jmt225]

Thats funny. it seems at least four times a week somebody is bringinig up that shit. "he wouldnt be wat he is if it wasnt for being married to Steph" etc. happens all the time. you mustnt of read this thread properly.

Well, obviously, you won't ever see me bring it up because it has nothing to do with why I dislike HHH. I don't recall seeing Jake or Shocky, the two most known HHH haters on the board, bring up either.

Thats bullshit. Triple H does deserve the title. he is a good entertainer, wrestle and is great on the Mic.

Please explain how? How is he a good entertainer and promo cutter? You show me a good promo on youtube and I know I'll be able to counter that with something ten times better because all of HHH's promos are the same old boring shit. There's no range or versatility when he's on the microphone.

seriously dude i bet you think CM Punk does deserve the push he is getting now? ever since CM Punk become champion i havent found Raw entertaining in the slightest.

I'm a huge CM Punk fan, but even I admit his run came out of left field and should've been built up more properly. However, ever since he did become champion (also the same time HHH left the show), I've found Raw to be highly entertaining. The last two weeks didn't have very good shows, but before then, I was enjoying it for the most part. I think the majority have. Just check the Raw LD’s for proof there.

everyone is has a right to their own opinion but please refrain from using the word us when you post. becouse I and most people in this forum and even off it find triple H entertaining.

When I said "us", I mean those of us who dislike HHH because of his lack of ability to be entertaining, not because of his marriage to Steph. Reread that entire post again and you'll get the point.

He does the same moves over and over again? right, so does Cena, Batista, CM Punk etc. get over it.

Yeah, okay... but how long have Cena, Batista and Punk been in the company? Sooner or later they have to bring something new along. Everyone does. HHH, on the other hand, doesn't. The only time I remember him doing something new was some Indian Death Lock on Booker T at Wrestlemania 19. He's whipped it out a couple of more times since then, but other then that, it's been the same shit for over eight years. At least the first two of those years where he transformed himself into the Game were entertaining (and that was only because A) he had balls back then and B) Steph was there for the promos), but since then, nothing but the same boring, unfunny shit.

I would much prefer to listen to HHH cut a promo rather then half the raw roster.

Well, that's personal preference I guess, but I would never understand why when all you're going to get is something you've already heard 10,000 times.

and i thought you was supposed to talk smack to the person you was fueding with

Well, of course, but when it comes to HHH, he shoots on his opponents and usually, his opponents are scared to say anything back and get buried because of it. HHH's feud with Cena from 2006 is a perfect example of this. Hell, I remember when Kurt Angle was drafted to Raw and did the "Woooo-off" with Ric Flair, and HHH eventually stuck his big nose on the mic and completely went off on Angle. Angle then went on to fire back, but you could tell he was biting his tongue and not saying what he really wanted.

Seriously, doesn't it seem odd to you that even he was a heel, HHH ALWAYS went over during promos? It was ALWAYS made out for him to look like the stronger wrestler?

I love his entrance.

Ugh, another thing I hate about him. It's so damn long and been the same shit forever now.

he does look pissed and like he is ready for anything.

To me, he looks like a joke. Maybe it's just the way his face is, I don't know, but when he's pissed about something, it comes off forced to me and not scary at all.

it gets the crowd pumped not puts them to sleep I just lost all interest in ever agreeing with something you say.

Actually, the crowd dies down during his entrance if you noticed. Not during the DX stuff, but definitely now. They're not pumped up by the time the match starts, like they are for a Cena match, for example.

ah one of those people hey? really bro you dont give a shit about other people as long as your entertained. if somebody is at risk of injury they should have the right to FUCKING take it easy.

I respect anyone who to laces up those boots and risk their lives to entertain us in the ring. Yes, even HHH. However, when somebody is on top of the card, it is their job to go full force every single night. They're the ultimate reason why we pay a ticket to see the show, and even you, a die-hard HHH fan, admits that HHH doesn't do that. It just adds on to the reason why he shouldn't have been on top these past couple of years. Since after Wrestlemania 20 AT MOST, he should've had a spot on the card that's similar to what Shawn Michaels has been doing the past few years. That's where HHH belongs.

This match was ten times better then the cena Khali match. that was the worst match in cenas career. it was horrible.

No way, man. The Judgment Day match was eight minutes long and the crowd was on their feet the entire duration of it. And their ONS match was fantastic. That's, without of doubt, Khali's greatest match.

I love moter head. one of my top favourite bands.

Cool.

Right dude you need to get your head checked. Flair overrated? let me guess who your favourite wrestles are. CM Punk, Eugene, Hornswoggle and Jim Duggan present status. you wouldnt know talent if it crueled up and bit you on the arse

Flair IS overrated. You know why? Because too many people say he's the greatest of all time, and that is ridiculous and completely false. You want to turn this thread into that argument as well?

And just for the sake of it, yes... I do like those guys you mentioned with the exception of Hornswoggle (though I'm way more of a fan of Duggan's UWF stuff then I am present day), but none of them come close to my top list of favorite wrestlers (Sting, RVD, Bret Hart, HBK, Raven, Angle, Lesnar, Taz, among others).

I love Sid. the guy rocks. talented wrestler.

The only time Sid was ever worth a damn was when he was being carried by HBK or Bret Hart.

Yeah your right there but only becouse i dont know who the fuck that is.

Google is your friend.

But wait.. do you agree with Madden? You think HHH is a legit bad ass?

the guys promos are good, and more enjoyable to watch. they might not be classic but they are good none the less.

They would be good if the guy would just change it up. Do something new. Reinvent himself. I do think he has the ability to cut a decent promo somewhere within him, but he hasn't done so in a VERY long time.

is this the guy that jobbed to Cena? put jeff hardy over, Mr Kennedy to an extent.? Chris benoit?

Do you know what "putting over" actually means? He let Cena win at Wrestlemania 22, whoop-de-fucking-do. However, he made Cena look weak all throughout the promos as I already mentioned, and you know what else I remember that pissed me off? A couple of weeks after that ‘Mania Cena beat Hunter, HHH single handily laid out both the WWE Champion (Cena) and the MITB winner (RVD) in match that Shelton won. HHH dominated both those motherfuckers throughout that lame ass match and then hit the pedigree on both, in which Shelton took advantage of and took the pin on RVD. What kind of bullshit was that?

As far as Hardy, Jeff won that match in a fluke way and then HHH beat him at No Way Out. Not really putting someone over.

Mr. Kennedy... that's a joke, right?

Chris Benoit.. I'll give you that one, even though HHH was still the 'main event' during Benoit's run.

However, Batista is the ONLY guy who has feuded HHH and truly elevated himself because of it. That is a fact. Batista is also the only person HHH hasn't gotten a "made up win" over yet. Have you ever notice that EVERY time someone beats HHH, Trips eventually gets his win back? Every time. It's like he thinks he's Chuck Liddell and feels the need to make up for his losses because he was truly the better fighter. Give me a fucking break.

most people do it. Cena Batista etc do it all the time.

Umm... no. Did you watch Batista just this week on Raw? He sold his leg even after the Burchill match was done.

And Cena USE to make that mistake, but he's improved.

But I do like how you didn't deny it, just falsely state others who do it.

THATS BECOUSE IT WAS MORE ENTERTAINING.

So DX running around telling cock jokes 24/7 was more entertaining then Cena vs. Edge?

wait what? bull shit. how can you call yourself a die hard fan then make this post?

Reread what I wrote. In no way was I calling myself a die-hard HHH fan.

in closing. I really think this could of been made possible with out all this flaming. you sounded like a 13 year old. next time try to do it with out all the insults and shit. maybe then i will be able to read one of your posts with out making me skip half of it.

The insults wouldn't have been there if Madden wouldn't have insisted on calling us, internet fans, a bunch of names.

Also, you come off kind of hypocritical with this statement. I haven't flamed anyone on this board since the Konnan days when I first joined. And I didn't say one insulting word to you throughout this post. However, when I insulted precious Ric Flair, you couldn't help but say that I "wouldnt know talent if it crueled up and bit you on the arse". That's flaming, isn't it? I don't care one way or another. You can say whatever you want about me and I wouldn't ask for you to get an infraction over it or anything like that, but you shouldn't blame me for throwing insults at Madden. Eye for an eye, you know? I'm the messageboard guy who's really suppose to act in such a way. However, he's the one who's suppose to show some professionalism in his columns. But I guess that's too much to ask for him, and for that….. he deserves to get ridiculed.

 

[MisterRob]

Actually, if you are referring to Wretlemania 24, Orton pinned Cena.

In regards to Triple H, I'll take the middle road here and say that he is a competent wrestler. However, I would not consider him one of the greatest of all time. Undoubtedly, Triple H had a great run between Summerslam 1999 and Wrestlemania X-Seven (so, roughly between mid-1999 and early 2001). He played the heel to the likes of Austin, Rock, and Foley very well.

But, besides these years, I have seen nothing from him that I would consider great. Since I have no knowledge of the goings-on behind the scenes in WWE, I can't justifiably attribute HHH's undeserved dominance to either his alleged politicking or his marriage. However, I think an argument can be made that this dominance does not come from merit but rather comes from attrition. By my count, there are eight former World Champions that became disassociated with the WWE between 2003 and 2008: Steve Austin, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesnar, Bill Goldberg, and Booker T.

In my opinion, I would rather see any one of the aforementioned wrestlers as a champion than Triple H any day (of course, this is hypothetical, as I am aware that it would be impossible for Benoit and Guerrero to be champions now).

Of the past decade I don't see how anyone can NOT accept that Triple H is one of the best wrestlers. All you have to do is compare the matches he's had over the years with others, and he's been in some very good and memorable matches and feuds. All you have to do is compare his ability to cut a promo to anyone else in the business right now and he's definitely up there with the top choices. All you have to do is compare the reaction he gets from the crowd to everyone else and he definitely gets one of the biggest reactions of anyone in the WWE. So how people can say he's undeserving of his spot, or is getting his spot because of anything besides his ability, is just silly to me. People can be blind all they want and jump on bandwagons, but the proof is in the details and everything he does as a wrestler is the only proof he needs to showcase in response to his critics. That's the way I see it.

Tell me one BAD match he's been in (since Scott Steiner of course)?

 

[D.Miller]

For sure, 1999-2001 during the great Attitude Era chronicled Triple H's elite period in the business. He evolved from some royal French character to leader of DX and to one of the most talked-about, slam-bang wrestlers in the pro wrestling industry today. The Game.

Further on from 2001 after HHH was revived in his return in 2002 from his Quad injury (which he had to becareful of as it also limited him in the ring) they had to use all his return momentum and catapult him back to the top (by means of even rewarding him with WHT) and by 2003 which was a year we saw him truly dominate wrestlers, his primary job was to elevate two other stars in Evolution. Most of his time was occupied in that.

But what? While keeping himself a dominant force, he had phenomenal matches and feuds with the likes of Goldberg, Benoit, Michaels and Batista that won't be forgotten. It was after HHH's defeat by Goldberg for the WHT did HHH begin to job to up-coming wrestlers like Batista three times consecutively in 2005 when Evolution had officially disbanded.

He disappeared and then returned by end of year, and got his heelness back by tearing apart Flair in a feud to later put Cena over at WM22. DX was then created 2006 and then in early 2007, he tears his other leg quad and further limits himself again which I'm sure is why he only sticks to certain moves he has adapted to throughout the years. That is pretty much why he can't do much "new" things, it's due to his legs. So tell that to Cena who didn't have his two quads ripped off the both of his legs. He can implement more moves in his arsenal.

HHH even returned to his beloved WWE despite the case happening to him twice...damn...that spells loyalty!! which plus talent, draw-power, dedication and overall total package is the equivalent of deserving. Not because he's married to Stephanie and Vince is his Father-in-law is why you think he's being spoiled. It might play some sort of a factor with some favoritism from Father-in-law to son-in-law like any Father-in-law would have for their son-in-law in their company, but HHH has shown why he deserves it on top of that. So when he gets a title, he deserves it. He hadn't held a belt since my god, March 2005 to my knowledge. HHH is great! HHH is one of the most dedicated. HHH is a total package. HHH will go down as one of the best in the business and people simply put have to realize that Triple H is that damn good! Like him or hate him!

 

[Miko]

I am going to start off by saying that I am not a HHH fan, however I think that HHH hate is unfounded, if the guy doesnt entertain you then fair enough dont cheer him, just remember that he does entertain many other people consistently.

Its the reasons why people hate HHH that I think are wrong.

1. He's married to Stephanie McMahon: so he uses that influence to be at the top, I dont buy that because I think Vince McMahon is a legit hard nosed business man who would bury HHH in a heartbeat if he needed to, he would give the title to the biggest draw not his son in law.
There is also the possibility that he loves Stephanie.

2. He buries people: who? These are the usual examples:
Chris Jericho: The three time World Champion Chris Jericho? The first ever undisputed champion Chris Jericho? So Jericho lost to HHH at Mania, thing is people lose fueds all the time in wrestling, it was Jericho's turn.

Kane: Kane who is one of the most decorated wrestlers in history, former World Champion. This guy doesnt even want the belt so how can HHH be expected to lose it to him? The Katie Vick storyline? I doubt that was HHH's idea.
HHH beat Kane for the World Title but he did it with the help of 4 people and a sledgehammer, HHH made Kane look like a bad motherfucker.

Booker T: Maybe Booker did deserve a title run, I think the reason he didnt get one as Booker T is because Vince wasnt keen on WCW creations winning belts in his company. Not to mention that Booker wasnt even WCW's biggest star, when you think of WCW you think of Goldberg, Hogan and Sting not Booker T.

RVD: What happened when RVD did actually win the belt, he lost it because he wanted to get high, this is almost definatly the reason he lost to The Game when he did, Vince knew he couldnt trust him. When he finally was trusted enough to win the belt, he blew it, shame because I like RVD.

Goldberg: This is the Goldberg who doesnt care about the wrestling business, if I was Vince would I give the belt to a guy who was leaving in a year and didnt give a fuck? (which he actually did) or would I let my hardest worker keep it to make someone more deserving look like a legit champion.

Kurt Angle: Kurt Angle who is a four time World Champion, Kurt Angle who towards the end of his WWE run was being booked as the best thing in WWE, better than HHH and John Cena, I dont think so.

Randy Orton: Three time World champion and only 28 years old with his reputation as well he has done well for himself, I would have made him look stupid a long time ago (if the stories are true that is).

There is also the talk that HHH is a pussy, many people have said it and its probably true, but even so its irrelevant in the world of pro-wrestling.
My only gripe with HHH is that I dont find him entertaining, but I am in the minority there so it doesnt really matter.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

2. He buries people: who? These are the usual examples:
Chris Jericho: The three time World Champion Chris Jericho? The first ever undisputed champion Chris Jericho? So Jericho lost to HHH at Mania, thing is people lose fueds all the time in wrestling, it was Jericho's turn.

While Jericho must take the blame for being a poor cahmpion. HHH still buried him. So Jericho wins the title. He defeats The Rock & Austin in one night. On the next PPV he defeats The Rock again, then Austin at Now Way Out. Both do their absolute best to make Jericho look good, they succeed, but only on those nights. Jericho is suh a poor champion that he loses any momentum the night after.

Then it's WrestleMania. HHH defeats him easily in a poor match. Not only that, but the match goes on last. After Hogan vs. The Rock. The match didn't stand a chance.

Now I don't usually bring up the fact that HHH is married to a McMahon. But you have to think the guy has some influence in the company. Maybe that influence was used to get him the main event spot he wanted. As a result the match had very little heat for a Mania main event, and Jericho finished the match looking like shit.

Kane: Kane who is one of the most decorated wrestlers in history, former World Champion. This guy doesnt even want the belt so how can HHH be expected to lose it to him? The Katie Vick storyline? I doubt that was HHH's idea.
HHH beat Kane for the World Title but he did it with the help of 4 people and a sledgehammer, HHH made Kane look like a bad motherfucker.

We'll Kane was nothing at this point, so HHH didn't make him look bad. But he certainly didn't make him look good.

But why did Kane lose his mask in a match with HHH? Wouldn't it have helped make somebody else into a star?

Booker T: Maybe Booker did deserve a title run, I think the reason he didnt get one as Booker T is because Vince wasnt keen on WCW creations winning belts in his company. Not to mention that Booker wasnt even WCW's biggest star, when you think of WCW you think of Goldberg, Hogan and Sting not Booker T.

In the context of the feud Booker T should have won. Watch the pre-match hype promos. Booker talking about how he's changed from being a criminal, how it's chance to do something good. Booker should have won, if only for a month. He didn't he lost. Pedigree. HHH then took his merry time covering Booker for the win. Buried.

RVD: What happened when RVD did actually win the belt, he lost it because he wanted to get high, this is almost definatly the reason he lost to The Game when he did, Vince knew he couldnt trust him. When he finally was trusted enough to win the belt, he blew it, shame because I like RVD.

I never saw him bury RVD either. But RVD has always been super over in WWE. So there was no real reason to not try him out as a one off main event wrestler on occasion.

Goldberg: This is the Goldberg who doesnt care about the wrestling business, if I was Vince would I give the belt to a guy who was leaving in a year and didnt give a fuck? (which he actually did) or would I let my hardest worker keep it to make someone more deserving look like a legit champion.

He buried Goldberg because Goldberg needed a good wrestler to carry him through long matches. HHH was awful in 2003, he couldn't even carry himself. See Kevin Nash.

Kurt Angle: Kurt Angle who is a four time World Champion, Kurt Angle who towards the end of his WWE run was being booked as the best thing in WWE, better than HHH and John Cena, I dont think so.

Kurt Angle was never booked better than HHH. notice how Kurt was almost turned face by the fans in the summer of 2000? Triple H put a stop to that. Guess that's why the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle ended so abruptly.

Also Triple H didn't want to push or put over, I can't remember which, Angle because he thought he was too small.

Randy Orton: Three time World champion and only 28 years old with his reputation as well he has done well for himself, I would have made him look stupid a long time ago (if the stories are true that is).

Out of all the wrestlers you listed, there is one that he's never so much as put over in the ring. That be Randy Orton. Bullet points here we come.

- Orton defeats Benoit for World title.

- HHH defeats Orton after only a month, in a match taht makes Orton look like shit.

- HHH wins their feud, at a time when Orton needed to win it.

- No Mercy 2007.

- WWE title given to Randy Orton, HHH then come out and pins him. Orton now one of the shortest reigning champions of all time.

- HHH has a match with Umaga, where he suffers a storyline injury.

- HHH vs. Orton again. Orton wins. But it's in a gimmick match. So Orton can only beat the Game in a match where weapons are allowed, after he's already wrestled two previous matches, and after a storyline injury.

- WrestleMania. Orton pinns Cena. HHH doesn't get pinned.

- Backlash, Judgment Day & One Night Stand: HHH pins Orton.

 

[wwefan49]

While Jericho must take the blame for being a poor cahmpion. HHH still buried him. So Jericho wins the title. He defeats The Rock & Austin in one night. On the next PPV he defeats The Rock again, then Austin at Now Way Out. Both do their absolute best to make Jericho look good, they succeed, but only on those nights. Jericho is suh a poor champion that he loses any momentum the night after.

Then it's WrestleMania. HHH defeats him easily in a poor match. Not only that, but the match goes on last. After Hogan vs. The Rock. The match didn't stand a chance.

Now I don't usually bring up the fact that HHH is married to a McMahon. But you have to think the guy has some influence in the company. Maybe that influence was used to get him the main event spot he wanted. As a result the match had very little heat for a Mania main event, and Jericho finished the match looking like shit..

Triple H had just made his return at I think it was Armageddon 2001. He won the Royal Rumble and was on a hot streak. Jericho looked like total crap in his match with Rock at Royal Rumble 2002. I've never seen such crappy cheating in my life. A heel referee come on... They made it look like Rock clearly should have won. Triple H shouldv'e won at Mania out of sake for the storyline.

We'll Kane was nothing at this point, so HHH didn't make him look bad. But he certainly didn't make him look good

But why did Kane lose his mask in a match with HHH? Wouldn't it have helped make somebody else into a star?...

On the first point kane was nothing at that point you are right so Triple H going over him was to build up the mega heel Triple H was at this point on Raw. To the second point can you think of someone more fitting to remove Kane's mask? Perhaps Good Ole JR to setup Kane burning him later...not

In the context of the feud Booker T should have won. Watch the pre-match hype promos. Booker talking about how he's changed from being a criminal, how it's chance to do something good. Booker should have won, if only for a month. He didn't he lost. Pedigree. HHH then took his merry time covering Booker for the win. Buried....

I agree here Booker T shouldv'e won but like Jericoholic said Vince doesn't like guys he didnt create and he sure didn't wanna put a WCW guy over his Golden Boy. I wouldn't say he Buried Booker but he definetly knocked him down a peg to the Intercontinental Championship. But if you see closely Booker didn't become WWE Champ until he changed his gimmick to something Vince wanted.

I never saw him bury RVD either. But RVD has always been super over in WWE. So there was no real reason to not try him out as a one off main event wrestler on occasion.....

He was a main eventer he was wrestling the World Heavyweight Champion. he competed in the first ever Elimination Chamber. How is that not a main eventer? He adapted quite nicely to the WWE style I think.

He buried Goldberg because Goldberg needed a good wrestler to carry him through long matches. HHH was awful in 2003, he couldn't even carry himself. See Kevin Nash......

Agreed here Triple H's groin was messed up most of 2003. He should have given up the title and let his body heal. Goldberg did have to be carried by a good wrestler. he didn't really get buried by Triple H though because Triple H put him over at Unforgiven and Survivor Series.

Kurt Angle was never booked better than HHH. notice how Kurt was almost turned face by the fans in the summer of 2000? Triple H put a stop to that. Guess that's why the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle ended so abruptly

Also Triple H didn't want to push or put over, I can't remember which, Angle because he thought he was too small.

Even though Angle > HHH

Out of all the wrestlers you listed, there is one that he's never so much as put over in the ring. That be Randy Orton. Bullet points here we come.

- Orton defeats Benoit for World title.

- HHH defeats Orton after only a month, in a match taht makes Orton look like shit.

- HHH wins their feud, at a time when Orton needed to win it.

- No Mercy 2007.

- WWE title given to Randy Orton, HHH then come out and pins him. Orton now one of the shortest reigning champions of all time.

- HHH has a match with Umaga, where he suffers a storyline injury.

- HHH vs. Orton again. Orton wins. But it's in a gimmick match. So Orton can only beat the Game in a match where weapons are allowed, after he's already wrestled two previous matches, and after a storyline injury.

- WrestleMania. Orton pinns Cena. HHH doesn't get pinned.

- Backlash, Judgment Day & One Night Stand: HHH pins Orton.

Completely agreed and this is the part of Triple H's "buisiness relationship" with the Billion Dollar Princess I hate. He never once Put Orton over and it sickens me and they are supposedly good friends backstage.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Triple H had just made his return at I think it was Armageddon 2001. He won the Royal Rumble and was on a hot streak. Jericho looked like total crap in his match with Rock at Royal Rumble 2002. I've never seen such crappy cheating in my life. A heel referee come on... They made it look like Rock clearly should have won. Triple H shouldv'e won at Mania out of sake for the storyline.

I never said HHH shouldn't have won. But he shouldn't have made himself so dominant over Jericho in the process. Part of that is the reason Jericho has never has a sniff of a world title 6 years later.

On the first point kane was nothing at that point you are right so Triple H going over him was to build up the mega heel Triple H was at this point on Raw. To the second point can you think of someone more fitting to remove Kane's mask? Perhaps Good Ole JR to setup Kane burning him later...not

Kane should have lost to somebody as a way of elevating a wrestler. HHH was already a star. If Kane had lost his mask to Shane McMahon at least it would have made that feud more intresting. But really he should have lost it to somebody like Booker T or RVD, or another young/underpushed wrestler.

I agree here Booker T shouldv'e won but like Jericoholic said Vince doesn't like guys he didnt create and he sure didn't wanna put a WCW guy over his Golden Boy. I wouldn't say he Buried Booker but he definetly knocked him down a peg to the Intercontinental Championship. But if you see closely Booker didn't become WWE Champ until he changed his gimmick to something Vince wanted.

Notice how when Booker was on the same brand as HHH he was a mid card wrestler? Then on a brand with few main eventers Booker got the titel, but only because of injuries.

Also not how quickly and easily HHH defeated Booker at Summer Slam 07.

He was a main eventer he was wrestling the World Heavyweight Champion. he competed in the first ever Elimination Chamber. How is that not a main eventer? He adapted quite nicely to the WWE style I think.

I didn't say he wasn't a main eventer. I said he looked like shit when wrestling Triple H. Part of that was because of how limited Goldberg was. But HHH was overweight that year. He was having shit matches with everybody. So putting them together made Goldberg look even worse than he did in the last few years of WCW.

Agreed here Triple H's groin was messed up most of 2003. He should have given up the title and let his body heal. Goldberg did have to be carried by a good wrestler. he didn't really get buried by Triple H though because Triple H put him over at Unforgiven and Survivor Series.

There's a difference between putting people over and losing to them. Triple H put over Batyista, he simply lost to Goldberg.

 

[Miko]

While Jericho must take the blame for being a poor cahmpion. HHH still buried him. So Jericho wins the title. He defeats The Rock & Austin in one night. On the next PPV he defeats The Rock again, then Austin at Now Way Out. Both do their absolute best to make Jericho look good, they succeed, but only on those nights. Jericho is suh a poor champion that he loses any momentum the night after.

Jericho at that point was a poor champion (I hate admitting that because I am such a mark for the guy but its true) he beat Rock and Austin but the only time he even looked remotely credible was when he did it in the same night, he looked crap at No Way Out and he looked like a complete pussy against Rock at the Rumble, his title reign was finished before it started.

Then it's WrestleMania. HHH defeats him easily in a poor match. Not only that, but the match goes on last. After Hogan vs. The Rock. The match didn't stand a chance.

It went on last because its The Main Event, it was for the title, its the tradition.
The match was poor and I hated it, so point taken. HHH did also defeat Jericho a bit too easy in that.
People seem to forget though that Jericho did infact defeat HHH on SmackDown a few weeks later and put in a very strong performance in the Hell In A Cell at Judgement Day, in my opinion to even be in a Hell In A Cell match is a sign of a main-eventer.

Now I don't usually bring up the fact that HHH is married to a McMahon. But you have to think the guy has some influence in the company. Maybe that influence was used to get him the main event spot he wanted. As a result the match had very little heat for a Mania main event, and Jericho finished the match looking like shit.

It is possible that he used his influence to get the main event slot at Mania, I think to be honest they used HHH because Jericho just wasnt doing well as champion and they needed somebody that drew well to face him and win, Rock/Austin vs Jericho was done to death and both guys were busy anyway, so that left the Game.

We'll Kane was nothing at this point, so HHH didn't make him look bad. But he certainly didn't make him look good.

But why did Kane lose his mask in a match with HHH? Wouldn't it have helped make somebody else into a star?

Triple H was the champion, it wasnt to help him it was to help Kane. As said before the casual fans buy HHH as a legit badass so the fact that he needed 3 other people and a sledgehammer to defeat Kane made him all the more scary when the mask came off and he went heel.

In the context of the feud Booker T should have won. Watch the pre-match hype promos. Booker talking about how he's changed from being a criminal, how it's chance to do something good. Booker should have won, if only for a month. He didn't he lost. Pedigree. HHH then took his merry time covering Booker for the win. Buried.

Point taken, I didnt say Booker didnt deserve the title run, HHH did however need the help of Ric Flair to put Booker down so he has that going for him.

However if I am honest, I think this was more down to the fact that WCW invented Booker T and there was no way a WCW creation was going to beat RAW's biggest star at that point.

I never saw him bury RVD either. But RVD has always been super over in WWE. So there was no real reason to not try him out as a one off main event wrestler on occasion.

Maybe, I think RVD was just a stepping stone to help make Goldberg winning the title look more legit.

He buried Goldberg because Goldberg needed a good wrestler to carry him through long matches. HHH was awful in 2003, he couldn't even carry himself. See Kevin Nash.

He lost the title to Goldberg but won it back soon after, I still maintain my original argument that Goldberg didnt deserve shit though, he got a main-event fued, a run with the title and he was leaving in a years time I wouldnt have given him the title certainly.

Kurt Angle was never booked better than HHH. notice how Kurt was almost turned face by the fans in the summer of 2000? Triple H put a stop to that. Guess that's why the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle ended so abruptly.

Yeah but Kurt also went on to become WWF champion, win the 6 man hell in a cell (which HHH was involved in) and then move on to fued with Benoit putting both men over in the process before moving on to become a constant main-eventer, so HHH didnt do a very good job if he did try to bury him.

He was booked better than HHH towards the end of his run because while HHH was tapping to the STFU at WrestleMania, Kurt lost his title in a fluke victory and then went on to dominate both of the other men in that match for months afterwards.

Also Triple H didn't want to push or put over, I can't remember which, Angle because he thought he was too small.

See I didnt know that, surely though if the though Angle was small then he wouldnt have tapped out to Benoit at WrestleMania and then go on to lose a ironman match him as well.

Out of all the wrestlers you listed, there is one that he's never so much as put over in the ring. That be Randy Orton. Bullet points here we come.

*Ducks*. . . . . . . . . . oh you said bullet points.

- Orton defeats Benoit for World title.

Done to try and eliminate Brock Lesnar from the record books

- HHH defeats Orton after only a month, in a match taht makes Orton look like shit.

I didnt think Orton looked all that bad in that match, but thats just personal opinion

- HHH wins their feud, at a time when Orton needed to win it.

Saying someone needs to win a fued seems a bit excessive, Randy Orton lost and went on to fued with The Undertaker where he also lost and then against Kurt Angle where he also lost, he fueded against John Cena where he lost again, was he buried by all of these people a well?

Like I said though, if the rumours about what he does backstage are true then I'd punish him where it hurt the most, in the win/loss record.

- No Mercy 2007.

- WWE title given to Randy Orton, HHH then come out and pins him. Orton now one of the shortest reigning champions of all time.

It wasnt necessary true, it was just a case of a face defeating a heel.

- HHH has a match with Umaga, where he suffers a storyline injury

- HHH vs. Orton again. Orton wins. But it's in a gimmick match. So Orton can only beat the Game in a match where weapons are allowed, after he's already wrestled two previous matches, and after a storyline injury.

This is just the case of a heel screwing a face, Orton went on to have an eight month title reign, where he was made to look like a joke by Jericho, HBK and Cena, only getting a clean win over Hardy. At least he won the title by making somebody look up at the lights for 10 seconds whatever the circumstances.

- WrestleMania. Orton pinns Cena. HHH doesn't get pinned.

HHH has been made somebodys bitch at 3 consecutive WrestleManias before this, he needed the break. It also played right into Ortons character stealing the pin away from HHH as it were.

- Backlash, Judgment Day & One Night Stand: HHH pins Orton.

Too many pinfall victories agreed, it didnt help that most of the matches sucked as well. This I cant defend.

I am not saying that HHH isnt a dick because there is much evidence to support the fact that he is. He is also a hard worker and popular character who deserves much of the success he's had.

 

[LonelyPositionOfNeutral]

"Completely agreed and this is the part of Triple H's "buisiness relationship" with the Billion Dollar Princess I hate. He never once Put Orton over and it sickens me and they are supposedly good friends backstage."

IIRC, please correct me if I'm wrong though. But, a few months ago, or maybe earlier then that. Wasn't there a report on here about how Randy was supposedly the "locker room leader", who stood up to Triple H and HBK's hijinks/politics?..As for Trips, he is the King Of Kings no doubt. And even before he was married to Steph, he had a world title run. Now, I don't think that he completely squashes guys and refuses to put them over just because he's an ass, I just think it's because he's paranoid, or well, back in the day, was paranoid about losing his title to a guy that probably was a better worker then him, or was more over then he was. And being Vince's golden boy, he also has advantages over a lot of people, except maybe Undertaker as he is VERY respected and looked up to backstage but anyway.

 

[Suneeboy]

Is anyone watching Smackdown!? Why is he not giving 100% to Shelton Benjamin? Benjamin is putting his all into the match and he is half ass selling his offense. He is moving slow and I'm not feeling it one bit. Why doesn't HHH want to put new guys over? He is a 12 time champion and a guaranteed Hall of Famer...NO ONE can make him look weak and he will NEVER look weak and he will be the top dog for at least 5 more years no matter what!!!!

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Is anyone watching Smackdown!? Why is he not giving 100% to Shelton Benjamin? Benjamin is putting his all into the match and he is half ass selling his offense. He is moving slow and I'm not feeling it one bit. Why doesn't HHH want to put new guys over? He is a 12 time champion and a guaranteed Hall of Famer...NO ONE can make him look weak and he will NEVER look weak and he will be the top dog for at least 5 more years no matter what!!!!

What match were you watching? I thought both men put on a great match-up last night. Shelton got a lot of offense in on Triple H, and The Game sold every bit of it. Benjamin wasn't made to look weak in that whole match, he even recovered pretty quickly from the Pedigree, so I don't know what you are talking about. The fact that Shelton lost the match doesn't mean he was made to look weak, you can still look good and lose a match you know.