The Triple H Thread

[Dave]

The Randy Orton fan boys on these forums are unbelievable. Like it or not Triple H is a better wrestler and has a better history in front of him. Randy Orton will have plenty of title reigns. He didn't need to get over or win last night. Believe me this is not over.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

The Randy Orton fan boys on these forums are unbelievable. Like it or not Triple H is a better wrestler and has a better history in front of him. Randy Orton will have plenty of title reigns. He didn't need to get over or win last night. Believe me this is not over.

Please. If he wasn't boinking Steph he wouldn't be as dominant as he has been.

Better history in front of him? What does that even mean? Orton needed the win last night to get the Legacy over. Now it just looks like another weak faction destroyed by WWE's cancer. It's about what's best for the business not what is best for the roid freak.

 

[Pimpin]

I agree Orton needed the win last night to mainly get over Legacy cause we know Randy can get over without Legacy. It should be about what's best for WWE instead of what's best for that piece of shit Triple H. Now what the hell is gonna happen to Legacy? Unless something great happens to get Legacy over then Legacy just looks like another weak faction that's destroyed by terrible booking decisions & politics.

 

[dmacizdman]

Triple H was pretty big as a heel and a face way before he was even dating Steph. I still don't care for Orton too much. He's robotic and his mike skills still aren't that great. Could he be great? Maybe. But it seems like he isn't even attempting to polish himself and get better.

 

[Dave]

He obvioulsy isn't a roid freak since the WWE wellness policy has basically taken steroids out the company. I can't remember Triple H getting a suspension for it. Can you?

It was a typo obviously. What I meant to say is that given Triple H's past he was never gonna lose that match, he was the face at Wrestlemania. Forget it.

I have to disagree with you about him getting so far because he is with Steph. That is such a naive and ignorant view. I would have thought that too except for the respect that other superstars and legends give him. Steamboat even talked about him in his induction speech. Ric Flair, maybe the best of all time and he loved him. Triple H is a great in ring technician and deserved to win. I love Randy Orton, I'm a bigger Orton fan than a Triple H fan but Orton was never gonna win.

Also, who cares about Legacy. It is nowhere near as good as Evolution was.

 

[thelcon21]

Please. If he wasn't boinking Steph he wouldn't be as dominant as he has been.

Better history in front of him? What does that even mean? Orton needed the win last night to get the Legacy over. Now it just looks like another weak faction destroyed by WWE's cancer. It's about what's best for the business not what is best for the roid freak.

I honestly couldn't agree more. It wasn't even about Randy Orton beating Triple H last night it was a night to get Legacy over. With Orton as champion it would have made this group legit. Why would Rhodes and Dibiase follow a guy who just got his ass handed to him on the biggest stage?

 

[ChrisKessaris]

I don't believe I'm an Orton "fanboy" or mark for him or whatever but I agree that Triple H shouldn't have won. Last night's WrestleMania was a prime example of how Triple H wrestles boring, nothing happening nothing new matches. I was at Survivor Series 08 when he wrestled Kozlov and the match got booed out of the building. This was the SAME match with Orton hitting a few spots between. Orton is a better wrestler than what last night's match showed, but Triple H dictacted the pace. It was a slow, boring match with finishers at the beginning as an excuse to slow the pace down. You can't have the Main-Event of a 4 hour long show be slow paced. That match needs to be action packed...it just didn't deliver. Plus after all this build up, we get Triple H standing tall again. I just don't think it was what was right for business. I think Triple H played his political hand to go over and get the big payday...it just didn't come off as spectacular. The crowd wasn't into it, they would have rather seen something else. I just feel kind of bad for Orton. He'll never get that true push he needs.

 

[Dave]

I love how nobody in this thread think that Orton had no say in what happened last night. I think there is more to come from Orton, this is not the end for him or Legacy. Tripe H was obviously not going to lose last night and Legacy had nothing to do with it, this could lead to more interesting storylines regarding Legacy, perhaps a mutiny of somesort. Come on think about it.

 

[thelcon21]

He obvioulsy isn't a roid freak since the WWE wellness policy has basically taken steroids out the company. I can't remember Triple H getting a suspension for it. Can you?

It was a typo obviously. What I meant to say is that given Triple H's past he was never gonna lose that match, he was the face at Wrestlemania. Forget it.

I have to disagree with you about him getting so far because he is with Steph. That is such a naive and ignorant view. I would have thought that too except for the respect that other superstars and legends give him. Steamboat even talked about him in his induction speech. Ric Flair, maybe the best of all time and he loved him. Triple H is a great in ring technician and deserved to win. I love Randy Orton, I'm a bigger Orton fan than a Triple H fan but Orton was never gonna win.

Also, who cares about Legacy. It is nowhere near as good as Evolution was.

Of course they're going to show respect to Triple H respect he is the bosses son-in-law. Why would anyone saw anything bad about him it is career suicide? Steamboat works as an agent for the company you don't think he said that on purpose. You don't think Ric Flair buddied up with Triple H too help prolong his career.

The reason Legacy sucks is because Triple H and the Mcmahons made them look like a joke over the last 3 months in a pointless feud that just hurt them.

 

[justinsayne]

Please. If he wasn't boinking Steph he wouldn't be as dominant as he has been.

Yeah, because guys like Rock, Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc. were all so dominant because they also fucked Steph, seriosuly the married to the bosses daughter argument is bullshit, Triple H was already a champ well be for he and Steph ever got invovlved, in fact they didn't even really start hanging out with eachother until Vince and Trips were already feuding, and Vince doesn't feud with guys unless he see's something great in them, I mean look at the list

-Austin
-Hogan
-Rock
-HBK
-Taker
-Shane
-Flair
-Foley

Triple H met Steph while doing the whole wedding storyline during the feud with Vince, Vince was already dead set on pushing Triple H well before the Game was fucking his daughter, so that argument is complete horseshit, and the only reason why anybody ever falls back on it is because it's easy and convenient

Better history in front of him? What does that even mean? Orton needed the win last night to get the Legacy over. Now it just looks like another weak faction destroyed by WWE's cancer. It's about what's best for the business not what is best for the roid freak.

I agree last nights match was beyond shitty but it was also the first time Triple H has won at WM in 6 years, He's put over plenty of people the problem with all you ******ed haters is that you're blind to it, everytime he puts someone over all yo do is either call it a fluke or say he did it because they're friends or it wasn't a clean victory, which is all a load of crap, get over it he's not going anywhere and he's not nearly as bad as you all claim him to be, if you want to blame someone for Orton not going over last night blame Vince he's the one that gave the final OK for this match and it's boring ass ending

 

[thelcon21]

I agree last nights match was beyond shitty but it was also the first time Triple H has won at WM in 6 years, He's put over plenty of people the problem with all you ******ed haters is that you're blind to it, everytime he puts someone over all yo do is either call it a fluke or say he did it because they're friends or it wasn't a clean victory, which is all a load of crap, get over it he's not going anywhere and he's not nearly as bad as you all claim him to be, if you want to blame someone for Orton not going over last night blame Vince he's the one that gave the final OK for this match and it's boring ass ending

You don't think the fact that Triple H being married right to Vince's daughter is the reason he is a 13 time WWE champion? He is always in the Wrestlemania Main Event? Doesn't have Vince's ear in deciding the outcome to matches? I know Vince has to have the final ok on each match, but don't you think being family helps just a little? In those 6 WM he played a heel against Benoit & Michaels, Batista and Cena. He was hurt two years ago and missed WM and last year didn't get pinned it was Cena who lost the match (which was great). Trust me I'm not in love with Randy Orton but moving forward it is time for something new.

On a side note I wonder if this is how fans felt in the 80s and early 90s watching Hulk Hogan win all the time and always being in the spotlight.

 

[Dave]

You don't think the fact that Triple H being married right to Vince's daughter is the reason he is a 13 time WWE champion? He is always in the Wrestlemania Main Event? Doesn't have Vince's ear in deciding the outcome to matches? I know Vince has to have the final ok on each match, but don't you think being family helps just a little? In those 6 WM he played a heel against Benoit & Michaels, Batista and Cena. He was hurt two years ago and missed WM and last year didn't get pinned it was Cena who lost the match (which was great). Trust me I'm not in love with Randy Orton but moving forward it is time for something new.

On a side note I wonder if this is how fans felt in the 80s and early 90s watching Hulk Hogan win all the time and always being in the spotlight.

I am not going to be so naive as to say that it has no bearing but come on. Just because you don't like the guy, or you like Randy Orton that is no reason to call into question the legitimacy of Triple H's title winning success. The guy is a great wrestler and I have to agree that The Game was gonna get get pushed no matter the situation with Stephanie. Let me put it to you this way. If he divorced Steph right now, he would still be champion and he would still have reigns in front of him. Why? Because he is a great wrestler.

 

[thelcon21]

I am not going to be so naive as to say that it has no bearing but come on. Just because you don't like the guy, or you like Randy Orton that is no reason to call into question the legitimacy of Triple H's title winning success. The guy is a great wrestler and I have to agree that The Game was gonna get get pushed no matter the situation with Stephanie. Let me put it to you this way. If he divorced Steph right now, he would still be champion and he would still have reigns in front of him. Why? Because he is a great wrestler.

I actually like Triple H I think he is great but in all honesty I was just looking for something different last night. Just really think it was time for something new instead of burying Orton again.

If Trips and Steph got divorced he would probably leave the company and go to the competition to try and stick it to the McMahons.

 

[Age of Orton]

Wrestlemania 25 was Orton's time to shine in a big stage match with Trips, whatever happened backstage we don't know, but one thing is for sure, either they need to build up to Orton/Triple H rematch at Nigh of champions or Summerslam, so when Orton finally gets the win it's big, doing it at Backlash or Judgment Day or even Xtreme rules means nothing.

On a side note, if Legacy is going to move forward why not have Orton do the Triple H role, have Trips take out Rhoads at Backlash, and Ted at Judgment day or Extreme Rules) with Orton getting revenge and vindication say June?

 

[Dave]

Yeah, I love Randy Orton as a heel as much as the next guy and I do believe that he will definitely go over Triple H at some point. However, I don't think that it needed to be at Wrestlemania. Let's think about WM is the showpiece event of WWE. People who don't even like wrestling buy it because they like the spectacle and pageantry of it. I think what they did was "Cena it" (I have now coined that phrase lol) meaning they let Triple H be the hero for once. With all those people watching it with there families and young children etc. Do you honestly think that they would have let a woman-beating psychopath win at WM. I fully agree with what you are saying though. When orton goes over the Game, it will freshen things up a bit and I honestly look forward to it. But it wass never gonna be last night imo.

 

[justinsayne]

You don't think the fact that Triple H being married right to Vince's daughter is the reason he is a 13 time WWE champion?

Nope, adn if that is the reason, then explain why Edge is an 8 time champion , and Rock won 9 world titles in only 3 years, I'm guessing neither have been inside a McMahon so...

He is always in the Wrestlemania Main Event?

That could have something to do with, oh what's the word I'm looking for, umm...RELIABLE

Doesn't have Vince's ear in deciding the outcome to matches?

Of course Vince listens to some of his ideas, but he also listens to ideas from Taker, HBK, Cena, Austin, and anyone else who has proven to be a loyal dedicated employee

I know Vince has to have the final ok on each match, but don't you think being family helps just a little?

Not as much as being a having a reputation of being a good solid reliable worker, and a loyal company man

In those 6 WM he played a heel against Benoit & Michaels

In which he tap to the Crossface, putting Benoit over

Batista and Cena.

Lost to Batista after receiving the Batista Bomb, and tapped to Cena's STFU, putting both over cleanly

He was hurt two years ago and missed WM

Shit happens, everyone in this business gets hurts at one point or another doesn't change the fact that he didn't win a match

and last year didn't get pinned it was Cena who lost the match (which was great).

Yeah but who took the Punt of death from Orton?, Orton stole the victory from Trips it was a classic heel move

Trust me I'm not in love with Randy Orton but moving forward it is time for something new.

I agree, it's also time for people to stop ragging on Triple H so much, it's getting old and repetitive, and in most cases the people doing it couldn't be more wrong

On a side note I wonder if this is how fans felt in the 80s and early 90s watching Hulk Hogan win all the time and always being in the spotlight.

No they loved Hogan, the IWC wasn't around yet to over analyze and ruin the mystique of the business yet

 

[foundation611]

Yeah, because guys like Rock, Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc. were all so dominant because they also fucked Steph, seriosuly the married to the bosses daughter argument is bullshit, Triple H was already a champ well be for he and Steph ever got invovlved, in fact they didn't even really start hanging out with eachother until Vince and Trips were already feuding, and Vince doesn't feud with guys unless he see's something great in them, I mean look at the list

-Austin
-Hogan
-Rock
-HBK
-Taker
-Shane
-Flair
-Foley

Triple H met Steph while doing the whole wedding storyline during the feud with Vince, Vince was already dead set on pushing Triple H well before the Game was fucking his daughter, so that argument is complete horseshit, and the only reason why anybody ever falls back on it is because it's easy and convenient



I agree last nights match was beyond shitty but it was also the first time Triple H has won at WM in 6 years, He's put over plenty of people the problem with all you ******ed haters is that you're blind to it, everytime he puts someone over all yo do is either call it a fluke or say he did it because they're friends or it wasn't a clean victory, which is all a load of crap, get over it he's not going anywhere and he's not nearly as bad as you all claim him to be, if you want to blame someone for Orton not going over last night blame Vince he's the one that gave the final OK for this match and it's boring ass ending

I agree that the he's married to Steph thing is crap because he was a star already but I think its a bit much at this point. Being in so many WM title matches is overdoing it and I like Triple H but who exactly has he put over? He lost to Cena at Mania when Cena was already made. He didn't get pinned last year. He beat Jericho at Mania and NEVER put him over when he was on his way up to the top same with Booker and that crap match they had at WM 19 when Booker prob should've won that match too. He lost to Benoit at WM20 to but he must've refused to lose to Hardy cuz he's never lost the title to him. He put Batista over big time so I can't leave that out but He preferred to insert Edge in the EC to win the title and then have Hardy beat Edge for his title reign because Trips did not want to lose to Hardy.

Triple H has for the most part only lost to really established guys. He finally got his wish of him and Orton main eventing WM but it completely sucked. Those two do not work well together and their matches are never really that great. Last night killed the feud unless they pull some type of good angle out of this. What claim does Orton have that he should get another chance? It's not like he gets an automatic rematch.

 

[PsychoWard]

This is all entertainment... And the story building up to WM25 was how Orton has had his way with all the McMahons. This story line will probably NOT be over, which means eventually Orton will beat HHH. But the WWE is being smart about it, Last nights match was about HHH getting his revenge for the last few months... Not about Legacy getting over with the crowd or the Bloggers.

Everyone is so mad legacy didn't get put over? But all the buzz after WM is how legacy isn't being put over... Hence aren't we all putting Legacy over right now.... Talking about them constiantly? I guess its a matter of opinion on what OVER means to people. As long as your talking about them your getting over, atleast in the mind of the WWE.

So HHH fought for his Family... Got the victory... Now the Story either goes on further so WWE can draw more heat for both parties. The WWE has all the time in the world to make a story go how they want. If they lose viewer's because orton lost, they gained the same for HHH winning. And looking at all the Threads WWE did their job last night at WM.

BTW I wished Orton would have won! Oh well... it will make the story and his character that much better

 

[Dave]

I agree that the he's married to Steph thing is crap because he was a star already but I think its a bit much at this point. Being in so many WM title matches is overdoing it and I like Triple H but who exactly has he put over? He lost to Cena at Mania when Cena was already made. He didn't get pinned last year. He beat Jericho at Mania and NEVER put him over when he was on his way up to the top same with Booker and that crap match they had at WM 19 when Booker prob should've won that match too. He lost to Benoit at WM20 to but he must've refused to lose to Hardy cuz he's never lost the title to him. He put Batista over big time so I can't leave that out but He preferred to insert Edge in the EC to win the title and then have Hardy beat Edge for his title reign because Trips did not want to lose to Hardy.

Triple H has for the most part only lost to really established guys. He finally got his wish of him and Orton main eventing WM but it completely sucked. Those two do not work well together and their matches are never really that great. Last night killed the feud unless they pull some type of good angle out of this. What claim does Orton have that he should get another chance? It's not like he gets an automatic rematch.

Who honestly likes losing to people who are below you. Austin was just as bad for this but he still made it into the HoF. Jeff has plenty of time left and I can't blame Triple H for not wanting to lose to him, if this is indeed the case. It's like me busting my ass at my job in an attempt to be employee of the month and then have a brainless chimp, who throws himself off ladders and hurls his shit around the office beat me to it. No offense hardy fans, but Hardy is not even nearly in the same league as the Game.

 

[justinsayne]

What claim does Orton have that he should get another chance? It's not like he gets an automatic rematch.

Jesus Christ, are you fucking serious, his claim seems pretty obvious to me, Triple H used a sledgehammer to beat Orton, that use otf the Hammer should have lead to Trips being DQ'd, and as the stipulation stated, the title would change hands if Trips got DQ'd or Counted out, so technically Orton should be champion right now, and I guarantee you that he cuts a promo tonight saying almost the exact same thing, followed by something along the lines of "You can't beat me without cheating" and then demands a rematch

 

[Dave]

Jesus Christ, are you fucking serious, his claim seems pretty obvious to me, Triple H used a sledgehammer to beat Orton, that use otf the Hammer should have lead to Trips being DQ'd, and as the stipulation stated, the title would change hands if Trips got DQ'd or Counted out, so technically Orton should be champion right now, and I guarantee you that he cuts a promo tonight saying almost the exact same thing, followed by something along the lines of "You can't beat me without cheating" and then demands a rematch

You know every time I read a post from you it astounds me. You have definitely hit the nail right on the head with that one. There was no mention of that particular stipulation until right before the match and I guarantee that what Justinsayne is saying will be right on the money.

 

[klunderbunker]

I knew this was coming. HHH wins his first match at WM since 200 fucking 3 and he gets blasted for it. Tell me, what logic was there in Orton winning last night? There was never any way that HHH was going to lose on DQ or Count Out, not in the main event of WM. The ending was actually brilliant. It opens some doors to continue the program which is what was needed.

The biggest issue I had with this match was no Priceless or McMahons. Was that HHH's doing? Not that i know of. Seeing as how Vince was a vital part of the storyline, I'm assuming he had final say over it, as he does with all shows especially his baby. To put all of the blame on HHH is ridiculous. Yes, the match was bad. Was HHH wrestling his clone? I could have sworn it was two people having a bad match out there.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Where as I was unhappy about Triple H winning last night, and strongly felt that Orton should have won ... no, I don't think Triple H's power is hurting the WWE. Triple H is not nearly shoved down our throats to the length we saw back in 2000-2001. Before No Way Out, he stayed away from the title for a very long time. He's lost every Wrestlemania since Wrestlemania 19.

So no, I think this claim that Triple H's power is hurting the WWE is unfounded. It was just the wrong finish, and the match itself was too rushed, presumably because they were behind schedule the entire night. They can thank their decision to book Kid Rock, as well as putting on that waste of time, shit-fest Divas Battle Royal, for that

 

[Phoenix]

I haven't seen Wrestlemania but when I woke up to find out that Triple H won, I seriously felt that he had truly killed the momentum that Orton has built up since the Rumble and it did make me question, why? I thought Orton should have been walking out champion, not because of the support, but it felt right.

I just think that Triple H's past year has been one that could question about his power but he has no doubt been killing momentum. Only just the two victims of it have been Jeff Hardy - who Triple H put over a year ago and after the suspension, Triple H wouldn't give him another chance; and Randy Orton, a guy who actually hasn't beaten Triple H outside of a last man standing match but was hurt by Triple H beating in 5 minutes earlier in the night (yep, No Mercy 2007).

Problem is out of the last four wins Triple H had, Wrestlemania 2000, X8, XIX & last night, three of those went against momentum of the fan's favourite to win - The Rock, Booker T & Orton. Whilst we can exclude The Rock because he wasn't dating Stephanie until after his injury, Triple H's wins, or retains have gone against momentum and favour of what we hope for. Just ironic, we can support anyone to win at Wrestlemania, but retaining is one we don't want to see nowerday, especially Triple H.

Look at it like this:
WM2000: Triple H retains - we hated it
WMXIX: Triple H retains - we hated it
WM23: Cena retains - we hated it
WM24: Randy retains - we hated, hated it even more after Backlash

With the exception of Eddie Guerrero at WMXX and possibly Cena at WM22 (questionable?) The occassions where we see the champion retain in this day and age are the one thing the fans hate to see because it doesn't make a Wrestlemania moment. The only time we loved a retain truly was Eddie's because of the end of Wrestlemania XX.

I think Triple H's power could be questionned, but I think it's more than he retained that makes people hate him and question him more. Although I would like to know if Randy did something to make him ruin his chance?

 

[RickDotMark.13]

HHH's "power" is ruining everything. I mean last night was one of the worst, maybe The most un-interesting, anti-climatic, WWE title matches of ALL the times. HHH is a decent ring worker, we all know he idolizes Ric Flair, but he can't hold his jock as far as working in the ring. Hes no Michaels or Angle, or Flair, who can carry a match with a anybody, HHH needs a good fit for it too work. Look at the Kozlov HHH match at i believe Survivor Series before Edge came out it was terrible, i know Kozlov's not a great worker yet, but that match was a snoozer, as was last night. HHH has POSITIONED himself to where he's at, some deserving most NOT. He should be at the point where hes starting to put guys over, he still wants to be on top. Biggest point, and they might use this angle, Randy Orton took apart HHH's entire family Vince, Shane, HIS WIFE. RKO'd her, DDT'd her, KISSED her. And finally HHH has a chance to get his hands on the man who violated his family, but he's so OBSESSED with being the champ, he avoids getting DQ'd to keep the title. And his tan was outrageous last night.