The Triple H Thread

[Meilichia]

HHH will never be on par with those guys. He doesnt have a whole lot left in him.

You didn't give me a reason, give me a reason? why will he never be on par?

LMAO. Please look up the definitions to legend and icons. And come back and tell me what HHH has done to deserve to be called a legend.

Jesus fucking Christ that word is used so stupidly.

I didn't chose those words, I think you did. I just quoted you.

You do realize Steve Austin is up there with Hogan as the biggest draw ever?

I'm not denying they are both the biggest draws, I merely stated about Austins wrestling ability. They are both big draws, doesn't mean they are good, Cena sells a lot of merchandise, doesn't mean he is good.

You do realize Steve Austin was the face of the Era that changed sports entertainment?

Yeah sadly I actually watched wrestling at the time, and hated it. Just because 'he was the face' of the attitude era doesn't mean he was the only person who was a huge part of the attitude era. Thats completely disregarding the talent the company had.

You do realize Steve Austin saved WWE's ass from being bought out by WCW?

Yes fair enough I'll give you that one, but it wasn't Austin who stopped WCW beating WWE in rating, if he was so great at the time, why wasn't the ratings showing this?

You do realize Steve Austin is the greatest entertainer ever?

If by greatest you mean by saying 'what?' constantly, giving the middle finger, and drinking beer, every other entertainer doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on.

What has HHH ever done compared to that?

I don't know? Wrestled a decent match perhaps?

HHH has feuded with McMahon, Were ratings off the chart then? No.

They entertained me a hell of a lot more. Maybe the majority of wrestlings prefer to see beer being poured on someones head than actual humour, it just baffles me.

Also, when it comes to entertainment, Please. Leave HHH's name away from Austin's. Not one wrestler EVER has been as entertaining as Austin.

again... seriously? entertaining as Austin... hmmm ok.. Triple H, The Rock, HBK, Ric Flair, Taker... I could just name the whole roster, but I won't. The only person less entertaining than Austin in my opinion is Cena. I just don't find his slapstick humour entertaining in my opinion.

Umaga was main eventing earlier in the year. Nothing was holding him back. In fact he had just gotten off an IC title run and was building more momentum before Trip's came back.

There have only ever been a very few select wrestlers who can pull off the whole 'unhumanized' character, and Umaga isn't one of them, I am not taking anything away from his ability, he is a good wrestler for his size, but his character is holding him back not Triple H.

Oh yeah you forgot to mention the Tag Division I talked about.

That was dead a long long time ago.

 

[Lil Wes]

You didn't give me a reason, give me a reason? why will he never be on par?

Flair - One of the greatest to ever step in a ring. Numeruous classic matches and feuds, one of the greatest heels ever, face of one of the greatest factions ever, a top 3 promo guy and 16 title reigns. Plenty more I'm sure but I'm not going to be fucked to name them all.

As for the other two, If I wanted too I would name you every match and feud because there has been so many and I don't breathe to waste time on crap like this.

I didn't chose those words, I think you did. I just quoted you.

He will be a legend, and he will be an icon, whether you like it or not.

^^

I'm not denying they are both the biggest draws, I merely stated about Austins wrestling ability.

To make it as a professional wrestler you have to be able to draw. Wrestling ability isn't really needed if you look at it.

Hogan- Shit wrestler, still considered the greatest ever,

Austin - Average wrestler, still considered the greatest ever.

You have to have charisma and booked properly. Wrestling doesnt really matter or Phycosis would be a hall of famer.

Also, What makes you think HHH is any better than Austin at wrestling? Name me some matches if you wish.

They are both big draws, doesn't mean they are good,

:rolleyes;

You have to be a draw to be good.

Cena sells a lot of merchandise, doesn't mean he is good.

Cena is boring though and booked terribly. These guys aren't.

Yeah sadly I actually watched wrestling at the time, and hated it.

You and basically, Who? 8 million others didn't.

Just because 'he was the face' of the attitude era doesn't mean he was the only person who was a huge part of the attitude era.

Nope but he was the main attraction. It would be idiotic to say otherwise.

Thats completely disregarding the talent the company had.

It had alot of talent. But Austin was the top talent.

Yes fair enough I'll give you that one, but it wasn't Austin who stopped WCW beating WWE in rating,

Yes it had something to do with Austin, he was leading the greatest era in WWE history.

if he was so great at the time, why wasn't the ratings showing this?

What? WTF? ROFLMAO. Did you really just state this? Ratings blewoff the roof during the Attitude Era.

I'll start the day after Wrestlemania 14, Ya' know the night Austin beat HBK?

March 30, 1998 3.8
April 6, 1998 4.7
April 13, 1998 4.6
April 20, 1998 4.4
April 28, 1998 5.7
May 4, 1998 5.5
May 11, 1998 4.3
May 18, 1998 5.3
May 25, 1998 4.2
June 1, 1998 4.4
June 8, 1998 4.3
June 15, 1998 4.3
June 22, 1998 4.3
June 29, 1998 5.4
July 6, 1998 4.0
July 13, 1998 4.7
July 20, 1998 5.0
July 27, 1998 4.9
August 3, 1998 4.9
August 10, 1998 4.5
August 17, 1998 4.2
August 24, 1998 4.7
August 31, 1998 Not On
September 7, 1998 Not On
September 14, 1998 4.0
September 21, 1998 4.0
September 28, 1998 4.0
October 5, 1998 4.55
October 12, 1998 4.8
October 19, 1998 5.0
October 26, 1998 4.5
November 2, 1998 4.8
November 9, 1998 5.0
November 16, 1998 5.5
November 23, 1998 4.9
November 30, 1998 5.0
December 7, 1998 5.15
December 14, 1998 5.2
December 21, 1998 4.7
December 28, 1998 4.9

1999

Date Rating
January 4, 1999 5.7
January 11, 1999 5.5
January 18, 1999 5.6
January 25, 1999 5.5
February 1, 1999 5.9
February 8, 1999 Not On
February 15, 1999 5.9
February 22, 1999 5.5
February 29, 1999 6.3
March 8, 1999 6.4
March 15, 1999 5.8
March 22, 1999 6.4
March 29, 1999 6.5
April 5, 1999 5.8
April 12, 1999 6.3
April 19, 1999 6.1
April 26, 1999 6.0
May 3, 1999 6.4
May 10, 1999 8.1
May 17, 1999 6.4
May 24, 1999 7.2
June 7, 1999 6.7
June 14, 1999 6.7
June 21, 1999 6.0
June 28, 1999 6.8
July 5, 1999 6.2
July 12, 1999 5.97
July 19, 1999 6.3
July 26, 1999 7.1
August 2, 1999 5.9
August 9, 1999 6.4
August 16, 1999 6.6
August 23, 1999 5.9
August 30, 1999 4.2
September 6, 1999 4.4
September 13, 1999 6.0
September 20, 1999 6.1
September 27, 1999 6.8
October 4, 1999 5.9
October 11, 1999 6.1
October 18, 1999 5.4
October 25, 1999 5.6
November 1, 1999 5.9
November 8, 1999 5.4
November 15, 1999 6.3
November 22, 1999 5.5
November 29, 1999 6.5
December 6, 1999 6.0
December 13, 1999 6.1
December 20, 1999 5.8
December 27, 1999 5.8

2000

Date Rating
January 3, 2000 6.4
January 10, 2000 6.8
January 17, 2000 6.0
January 24, 2000 6.7
January 31, 2000 6.6
February 7, 2000 6.5
February 14, 2000 4.4
February 21, 2000 5.9
February 28, 2000 6.5
March 6, 2000 6.4
March 13, 2000 6.3
March 20, 2000 6.2
March 27, 2000 6.6
April 3, 2000 6.4
April 10, 2000 6.2
April 17, 2000 6.7
April 24, 2000 7.1
May 1, 2000 7.4
May 8, 2000 6.2
May 15, 2000 6.1
May 22, 2000 7.1
May 29, 2000 6.4
June 5, 2000 5.9
June 12, 2000 6.8
June 19, 2000 5.8
June 26, 2000 6.4
July 3, 2000 5.3
July 10, 2000 6.0
July 17, 2000 6.2
July 24, 2000 6.2
July 31, 2000 6.4
August 7, 2000 6.3
August 14, 2000 5.9
August 21, 2000 6.2
August 28, 2000 4.9
September 4, 2000 4.2
September 11, 2000 5.8
September 18, 2000 5.7
September 25, 2000 5.4
October 2, 2000 5.4
October 9, 2000 5.4
October 16, 2000 4.8
October 23, 2000 5.5
October 30, 2000 4.9
November 6, 2000 5.1
November 13, 2000 5.0
November 20, 2000 5.0
November 27, 2000 5.0
December 4, 2000 5.0
December 11, 2000 5.75
December 18, 2000 4.8
December 25, 2000 3.8

2001

Date Rating
January 1, 2001 4.55
January 8, 2001 4.8
January 15, 2001 5.2
January 22, 2001 5.6
January 29, 2001 5.4
February 5, 2001 5.0
February 12, 2001 4.8
February 19, 2001 4.8
February 26, 2001 5.1
March 5, 2001 4.5
March 12, 2001 4.9
March 19, 2001 4.6
March 26, 2001 4.7
April 2, 2001 5.7
April 9, 2001 5.4
April 16, 2001 5.1
April 23, 2001 5.1
April 30, 2001 4.98
May 7, 2001 4.6
May 14, 2001 4.5
May 21, 2001 4.2
May 28, 2001 4.2
June 4, 2001 4.3
June 11, 2001 4.1
June 18, 2001 4.2
June 25, 2001 4.7
July 2, 2001 4.6
July 9, 2001 4.7
July 16, 2001 5.0
July 23, 2001 5.4
July 30, 2001 5.7
August 6, 2001 5.4
August 13, 2001 5.2
August 20, 2001 5.2
August 27, 2001 4.8
September 3, 2001 4.6
September 10, 2001 4.6
September 17, 2001 4.8
September 24, 2001 4.5
October 1, 2001 4.4
October 8, 2001 4.5
October 15, 2001 4.1
October 22, 2001 3.9
October 29, 2001 4.1
November 5, 2001 3.9
November 12, 2001 4.1
November 19, 2001 4.8
November 26, 2001 4.4
December 3, 2001 4.2
December 10, 2001 4.7
December 17, 2001 4.0

If by greatest you mean by saying 'what?' constantly, giving the middle finger, and drinking beer, every other entertainer doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on.

He doesnt say what, the crowd does.

His promos were some of the greatest of all time. Fine me one bad Austin promo in the WWF and I'll never post here again.

I don't know? Wrestled a decent match perhaps?

Austin has wrestled in many many many decent matches.

Hart, Michaels, Taker, Rock...More and more.

They entertained me a hell of a lot more. Maybe the majority of wrestlings prefer to see beer being poured on someones head than actual humour, it just baffles me.

Yeah, I forgot DX humor was funny..

Millions of fans loved it. You opinion does not change facts. Sorry.

again... seriously? entertaining as Austin... hmmm ok.. Triple H, The Rock, HBK, Ric Flair, Taker... I could just name the whole roster, but I won't. The only person less entertaining than Austin in my opinion is Cena. I just don't find his slapstick humour entertaining in my opinion.

Again. You opinion. Tell that too 8 million fans.

There have only ever been a very few select wrestlers who can pull off the whole 'unhumanized' character, and Umaga isn't one of them,

Bullshit. H'es done fine.

am not taking back not Triple H.anything away from his ability, he is a good wrestler for his size, but his character is holding him

His character wasn't holding him back to start off 07? You can't just change a monster heel gimmick. Like I said...

Nothing was holding him back. In fact he had just gotten off an IC title run and was building more momentum before Trip's came back.

That was dead a long long time ago.

So? Londrick were faces, why did they deserves pedigrees for no reasons whatsoever?

It also literally makes me ROFL at how you failed to defend HHH on the Kennedy arguement, Christ, When is Slyfox going to quit selling his Kool-Aid?

 

[TimmyTallsoxx]

WOW total package you couldnt have said it better . i mean trips is a great in ring guy when hes not squashing people. lets face it hes getting old he needs to start getting guys over like booker t is doing in tna as well as kane is in wwe.

Ive been a wrestling fan for most of my life i started back in the day when sting had a rattail and austin had a full mane of hair however i slowly got tired of it and many factors led to me to take a 3 year break and the main reason was because i couldnt get over the fact that HHH was a bore always carrying the title and not letting younger talent get the push

Another reason this dude pisses me off is that he looks fucking stupid when he does that taunt between the spinebuster and pedigree and the one where he taunts on the turnbuckle during his entrance which is boring . If he wore make up he'd look like a which with that nose and pruned forehead.

ive said this many time i will be happy if trips doesnt win the rumble or championship at the rumble because this might be a turning point for him into getting people over. But who the hell am i kidding we're talking about HHH (The most arrogant bastard in the world) WTF he looks like the lead singer of White Snake since when is that cool. Like that orange skull shirt thats gay as hell only a 4th grade bully would buy that. Im talking 4th grade bully who looks like Brian Knobs mullet and all any way back to the subject

But seriously dude do you have a shrine of HHH in your room do you have an autographed thong from HHH's crusty prune ass ?Would you like a piece of his pie? Oh well i guess you dont understand that HHH and Cena would be perfect together in wwes next wedding they are a great couple they both have a different sense of humor walks on the beach and being overused by the wwe. Basically what im getting is dont be obsessed with hhh hes not the best promo guy theres a long line of people in front of him like package just showed you yes dx was funny but not like the rock,austin or y2j funny

sure dx will go down along with four horseman and nwo as great factions in the end but as eric bischoff pointed out DX IS A CHEAP RIPOFF OF NWO (they are cool heels?!?) thanks for pointing that out eric.

Wow i think im starting to hate HHH like i do edge but at least edges look is cool. Hey trips this is 2008 leather coats with a chain went out when guns and roses did. And his weapon of choice ??? a sledgehammer? WTF thats why people say wrestling is fake because that makes it obvious why did he pick a fucking sledgehammer cause the tables,ladders,chairs,and guitars that smashed were taken already? shit id be happier to see him use a rubber ducky

WOW again

 

[d'lo_brown_kurt_angle]

HHH will be better off as a heel. Right now there are to many top faces in the WWE. There has to be one major heel right now. Top wrestlers in the WWE today:

The biggest heels right now have the titles though. Orton and Edge biggest heels? Come on. I want the Undertaker to bring back the "Bad-Ass" Gimmick and go heal. Or Triple H go back to being the cerebal assassin again. Not some face that pokes fun of VKM every monday night.

HBK
John Cena
HHH
The Undertaker
Batista

Those are the top 5 wrestlers in the WWE Right now. All faces.

On top of that you have:

Jeff Hardy
Rey Mysterio
Chris Jericho
Finlay
Kane

To many faces now. WWE needs some heels.

Orton and Edge as the top heels doesn't work for me. I would like to see Jericho make a heel run. Y2J makes a great heel. Or MVP getting a even bigger push because he's very talented. There are wrestlers who don't get enough heel reaction but are heels:

Mr. Kennedy
Carlito
Umaga
Mark Henry
Great Khali

Let HHH, Undertaker, or someone become heel. Cena's character is always going to get a mixed reaction so no point in trying anything there.

 

[dirtyshubb]

As a wrestler i think HHH is good, not the best but from the countless reports online, in magazines, tv, spoken word, carrier pigeon (you get where i am going with this ) he seems like a complete prick. I appreciate that you can not always count on how valid reports are online of how people are but there has been too many to dissmiss when it comes to HHH.

It seems that the only thing that goes through Paul's mind is "Must stay top, cant let someone take my space" and before people start saying 'but he has lost against so and so which proves he isnt like that' no matter who HHH loses to he always gains something and every win he is kind enough to hand out to people, either he is friends with, an established veteran where he has nothing to lose or wrestlers he feels he has contributed heavely to their career by giving them the rub from 'The King Of Kings' e.g Cena, Jeff.

I have to say when HHH came back i really did stop watching Raw quite a bit just because i was fed up with having to see HHH running through either the complete Tag division which was disgusting to see (mostly the attack on Londrick), countless handicap matches just in case we didnt already know that HHH is just that damn good or how many 'surprise' matches Vince throws at HHH just to have him win.

I mean he loses his chance to enter the rumble, having to be screwed out of it - seems even Flair wasnt good enough for a clean win against his 'friend'. Vince offers it back but in a match against a mystery person, but being the Game you cant just have 1 oponent, no, you have to have 3 just to once again get the point across that he is the game,that damn good, king of kings, cerebral assassin and any other labels he can think of to call himself!

I can honestly say i believe that as soon as Trippers shoulders are down for 3 he must think to himself "That will keep the haters off a little while longer" (best example is against Taker at WM) or more likely "Damn you are one lucky S.O.B to be pinning me, thanks to ME you will forever be known as someone who beat the fabled HHH!"

Hunter really needs to start helping the younger talent more and not just worry about his legacy, which is never going to be under threat no matter how paranoid he is.

 

[mrtuddy]

Triple H has pissed me off since he has returned... I think that he is such an abusive control freak.

He's married to the bosses daughter so he has the right to be a douche bag? What the hell?

Seriously, I don't think Triple H is cool anymore. Since he's been back it seems like he's just a mid-card wrestler who's trying to be a main-eventer. It's funny because Rey Mysterio returned after being out of the picture longer, but he has still been on the top and able to be on top. He's had two championship matches since his return, and although he didn't win them they were still good matches.

Triple H? What's he done? faced Carlito.. when I was more interested in Carlito. Faced Umaga, who is more interesting as well... and then won the WWE Championship for the night. If anything that devalued the Title. The strongest men are supposed to hold that title, and Triple H fought three matches but lost in the end... what the hell, he had time to relax... if we really want to go there... but Triple H winning the championship made me think that the WWE Championship wasn't important.

Then he started teaming with Hardy for a while... and once again, I found Hardy more interesting to watch.

The thing that's pissed me off the most though (even though I don't know how true it is) is that HHH might be the reason Booker left WWE. Booker T was an amazing wrestler (well, he still is, it's just that TNA sucks) and had such charisma and had the opportunity to feud with new superstars on RAW... but he's gone now.. possibly as a thanks to Triple H.

The Politics Triple H brings everywhere with him is amazingly stupid... he wants HIS title shot at Wrestlemania? He's not good enough anymore to be in the main event! I'm so glad he didn't win the Royal Rumble.

Speaking of the Royal Rumble: What the Hell? He doesn't get to win it so he gets to eliminate the most superstars? Batista eliminated four.. but HHH eliminated Six (I think)... and he eliminated some top stars! And what the hell was with Big Daddy V!? It's always taken tons of people to eliminate the V-ster. But this year, after V has been built up for months as a MONSTER of a heel Triple H can eliminate him by himself? Dude.. not cool.


Triple H is a douche bag and I hope he doesn't continue to be pushed... even though as long as he's banging Stephanie he'll be on top....



I hate Triple H... the character doesn't work... and Paul Levesque is a twat.

 

[Jonny B]

March 30, 1998 3.8
April 6, 1998 4.7
April 13, 1998 4.6
April 20, 1998 4.4
April 28, 1998 5.7
May 4, 1998 5.5
May 11, 1998 4.3
May 18, 1998 5.3
May 25, 1998 4.2
June 1, 1998 4.4
June 8, 1998 4.3
June 15, 1998 4.3
June 22, 1998 4.3
June 29, 1998 5.4
July 6, 1998 4.0
July 13, 1998 4.7
July 20, 1998 5.0
July 27, 1998 4.9
August 3, 1998 4.9
August 10, 1998 4.5
August 17, 1998 4.2
August 24, 1998 4.7
August 31, 1998 Not On
September 7, 1998 Not On
September 14, 1998 4.0
September 21, 1998 4.0
September 28, 1998 4.0
October 5, 1998 4.55
October 12, 1998 4.8
October 19, 1998 5.0
October 26, 1998 4.5
November 2, 1998 4.8
November 9, 1998 5.0
November 16, 1998 5.5
November 23, 1998 4.9
November 30, 1998 5.0
December 7, 1998 5.15
December 14, 1998 5.2
December 21, 1998 4.7
December 28, 1998 4.9

1999

Date Rating
January 4, 1999 5.7
January 11, 1999 5.5
January 18, 1999 5.6
January 25, 1999 5.5
February 1, 1999 5.9
February 8, 1999 Not On
February 15, 1999 5.9
February 22, 1999 5.5
February 29, 1999 6.3
March 8, 1999 6.4
March 15, 1999 5.8
March 22, 1999 6.4
March 29, 1999 6.5
April 5, 1999 5.8
April 12, 1999 6.3
April 19, 1999 6.1
April 26, 1999 6.0
May 3, 1999 6.4
May 10, 1999 8.1
May 17, 1999 6.4
May 24, 1999 7.2
June 7, 1999 6.7
June 14, 1999 6.7
June 21, 1999 6.0
June 28, 1999 6.8
July 5, 1999 6.2
July 12, 1999 5.97
July 19, 1999 6.3
July 26, 1999 7.1
August 2, 1999 5.9
August 9, 1999 6.4
August 16, 1999 6.6
August 23, 1999 5.9
August 30, 1999 4.2
September 6, 1999 4.4
September 13, 1999 6.0
September 20, 1999 6.1
September 27, 1999 6.8
October 4, 1999 5.9
October 11, 1999 6.1
October 18, 1999 5.4
October 25, 1999 5.6
November 1, 1999 5.9
November 8, 1999 5.4
November 15, 1999 6.3
November 22, 1999 5.5
November 29, 1999 6.5
December 6, 1999 6.0
December 13, 1999 6.1
December 20, 1999 5.8
December 27, 1999 5.8

2000

Date Rating
January 3, 2000 6.4
January 10, 2000 6.8
January 17, 2000 6.0
January 24, 2000 6.7
January 31, 2000 6.6
February 7, 2000 6.5
February 14, 2000 4.4
February 21, 2000 5.9
February 28, 2000 6.5
March 6, 2000 6.4
March 13, 2000 6.3
March 20, 2000 6.2
March 27, 2000 6.6
April 3, 2000 6.4
April 10, 2000 6.2
April 17, 2000 6.7
April 24, 2000 7.1
May 1, 2000 7.4
May 8, 2000 6.2
May 15, 2000 6.1
May 22, 2000 7.1
May 29, 2000 6.4
June 5, 2000 5.9
June 12, 2000 6.8
June 19, 2000 5.8
June 26, 2000 6.4
July 3, 2000 5.3
July 10, 2000 6.0
July 17, 2000 6.2
July 24, 2000 6.2
July 31, 2000 6.4
August 7, 2000 6.3
August 14, 2000 5.9
August 21, 2000 6.2
August 28, 2000 4.9
September 4, 2000 4.2
September 11, 2000 5.8
September 18, 2000 5.7
September 25, 2000 5.4
October 2, 2000 5.4
October 9, 2000 5.4
October 16, 2000 4.8
October 23, 2000 5.5
October 30, 2000 4.9
November 6, 2000 5.1
November 13, 2000 5.0
November 20, 2000 5.0
November 27, 2000 5.0
December 4, 2000 5.0
December 11, 2000 5.75
December 18, 2000 4.8
December 25, 2000 3.8

2001

Date Rating
January 1, 2001 4.55
January 8, 2001 4.8
January 15, 2001 5.2
January 22, 2001 5.6
January 29, 2001 5.4
February 5, 2001 5.0
February 12, 2001 4.8
February 19, 2001 4.8
February 26, 2001 5.1
March 5, 2001 4.5
March 12, 2001 4.9
March 19, 2001 4.6
March 26, 2001 4.7
April 2, 2001 5.7
April 9, 2001 5.4
April 16, 2001 5.1
April 23, 2001 5.1
April 30, 2001 4.98
May 7, 2001 4.6
May 14, 2001 4.5
May 21, 2001 4.2
May 28, 2001 4.2
June 4, 2001 4.3
June 11, 2001 4.1
June 18, 2001 4.2
June 25, 2001 4.7
July 2, 2001 4.6
July 9, 2001 4.7
July 16, 2001 5.0
July 23, 2001 5.4
July 30, 2001 5.7
August 6, 2001 5.4
August 13, 2001 5.2
August 20, 2001 5.2
August 27, 2001 4.8
September 3, 2001 4.6
September 10, 2001 4.6
September 17, 2001 4.8
September 24, 2001 4.5
October 1, 2001 4.4
October 8, 2001 4.5
October 15, 2001 4.1
October 22, 2001 3.9
October 29, 2001 4.1
November 5, 2001 3.9
November 12, 2001 4.1
November 19, 2001 4.8
November 26, 2001 4.4
December 3, 2001 4.2
December 10, 2001 4.7
December 17, 2001 4.0

I'd just like to point out the part in Bold. Some of the highest and most consistent ratings in the history or RAW... what time frame was this? Who was Champion for the majority of the time? You guessed it, Triple H. During the height of the Triple H/Mick Foley feud and the Triple H/The Rock feud were when the ratings were at their highest (ever?) and sure if it were just say Triple H/The Rock you could attribute the ratings to The Rock, but during the course of Two Feuds that both involved Triple H Main Eventing, and I might add that when The Rock finally got the strap the ratings did start to drop.

I'm not saying this makes Triple H better than Hogan, I'm not saying it makes him better than Austin because they are both ridiculous statements to make, what I am saying thought is it does prove that Triple H can draw as Champion. What these ratings prove is that you put aside the allegations of polticking and you put aside the fact that Triple H is no-where near the worker he was 7-8 years ago (who would be after two quad injuries?) he can and does draw.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Ok, my turn to chime in on HHH.

Let's play a game. I will list 5 things that all have someting in common. YOU tell me what it is they have in common. (It's rhetorical, I don't want you to answer.) Ready?

The New England Patriots
The New York Yankees
The Chicago Bulls (90's with Jordan)
John Cena
Triple H

Answer? All 4 have drawn the ire and hatred from an entire fan nation just for being "the best." People get on them for "winning too much" and exploit the slightest flaw in order to justify their own jealousy by knocking them down a peg. The Patriots had SpyGate. The Yankees "bought championships." Cena is Vince's favorite. HHH married the bosses' daughter.

It's all crap. It's all jealously. Now i get the psychology here. America (and most nations for that matter) adore the underdog. We do not want to see the best stay that way. We'd rather see the "feel good story" like the Green Bay Packers, the Minnesota Twins, the Utah Jazz, and the Matt Hardy's of the world topple the top of the ladder and break through the glass ceiling.

It's been well documented on this forum that HHH won 4 world titles before he started with Steph. It should ALSO be noted that, before the world titles, he was being buried by Vince for what Michaels and "The Kliq" did at that house show. Furthermore, I remind you, HHH is the guy who tore his quad off the bone, sustained a Walls of Jericho on an announce table, and STILL returned long ahead of schedule (and in great shape) because of hard work and dedication to the business. Do pro football players or baseball players work THAT HARD to return? Not often, because they are all about the $$$. You may not like HHH, but he's got a passion and dedication for the business that few match, which is the TRUE reason why he got where he is.

Nobody would have blamed HHH for walking out the minute he was backdropped into pig slop. He kept on moving ahead, eyes on the goal.

Shit, if half the people in this country had his kind of resolve and work ethic, more people would live out dreams and reach goals. But it's easier to blame "The system" and make excuses why somebody ELSE is successful. So ask yourself - what have you done lately to find the good instead of the bad? The positive instead of the negative?

 

[Shocky]

Ok, my turn to chime in on HHH.

Let's play a game. I will list 5 things that all have someting in common. YOU tell me what it is they have in common. (It's rhetorical, I don't want you to answer.) Ready?

The New England Patriots
The New York Yankees
The Chicago Bulls (90's with Jordan)
John Cena
Triple H

Answer? All 4 have drawn the ire and hatred from an entire fan nation just for being "the best." People get on them for "winning too much" and exploit the slightest flaw in order to justify their own jealousy by knocking them down a peg. The Patriots had SpyGate. The Yankees "bought championships." Cena is Vince's favorite. HHH married the bosses' daughter.

It's all crap. It's all jealously. Now i get the psychology here. America (and most nations for that matter) adore the underdog. We do not want to see the best stay that way. We'd rather see the "feel good story" like the Green Bay Packers, the Minnesota Twins, the Utah Jazz, and the Matt Hardy's of the world topple the top of the ladder and break through the glass ceiling.

It's been well documented on this forum that HHH won 4 world titles before he started with Steph. It should ALSO be noted that, before the world titles, he was being buried by Vince for what Michaels and "The Kliq" did at that house show. Furthermore, I remind you, HHH is the guy who tore his quad off the bone, sustained a Walls of Jericho on an announce table, and STILL returned long ahead of schedule (and in great shape) because of hard work and dedication to the business. Do pro football players or baseball players work THAT HARD to return? Not often, because they are all about the $$$. You may not like HHH, but he's got a passion and dedication for the business that few match, which is the TRUE reason why he got where he is.

Nobody would have blamed HHH for walking out the minute he was backdropped into pig slop. He kept on moving ahead, eyes on the goal.

Shit, if half the people in this country had his kind of resolve and work ethic, more people would live out dreams and reach goals. But it's easier to blame "The system" and make excuses why somebody ELSE is successful. So ask yourself - what have you done lately to find the good instead of the bad? The positive instead of the negative?

Now to hit on the bolded parts.


On the Curtain Call: You gotta remember, nobody held a gun to the head of Triple H to go out their and break kayfabe, which is still a nasty habit he has to this day. All of the burial and garbage that he was put through was self induced. Triple H had no one to blame but himself. The man was set to be King of the Ring in 1996, so he derailed himself because of this selfish act.

On the 4 titles: Fair enough, but this is the same argument you can make for Barry Bonds. Bonds was arguably a hall of famer before he started to get on the juice after the 98 season. The guy was going to be considered the greatest of all time, but now his legacy is tarnished because he gained an unfair advantage.

Now are Triple H and Stephanie in love, who knows, I'm not going to be the one that says he's married because of the power, I believe that is completely naive. Hell, I'm not going to be the one that says Trips controls the booking, but he has the ear of the person in charge of all that that only has to answer to her father. Triple H was going to be a great, but the legitimacy of his greatness is in considerable doubt with his marriage to Stephanie. Most don't like to hear that, but it's the truth.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Now to hit on the bolded parts.
On the 4 titles: Fair enough, but this is the same argument you can make for Barry Bonds. Bonds was arguably a hall of famer before he started to get on the juice after the 98 season. The guy was going to be considered the greatest of all time, but now his legacy is tarnished because he gained an unfair advantage.

Man, C.A., I was all prepared to take you to task when I saw you'd decided to make a rebuttle, but the comparison of HHH to Bonds is a great arguement. I can respond, but I can't discredit how well thought out that is.

There are some differences between the two. Baseball has "competitive integrity" whereas Pro Wrestling is a show. Sure, we all wish politics were cleaned up from wrestling the same way we wish steroids were cleaned up from baseball. But I didn't see much change from HHH after he married Steph vs before.

I just think HHH sufferes from Hogan Syndrome with the fans. We're a culture of cynics, and its more comfortable for us to tarnish greatness than to embrace it.

 

[D.Miller]

Why is everyone heating and hating Triple H for dwelling on top of the wrestling mountain? He's conspicuously that damn good. He's dedicated, star-studded, versatile, and total packaged. He's enrolled and ruled in successful factions such as D-Generation X, and Evolution. He made Batista, Randy Orton, and kept Ric Flair loved and afloat. He is commanded to put over people who are worthy and who they envision will last out. Plus, It's factual that he's married to Stephanie McMahon and is Mr. McMahon's son in law, which in all means, he's bound to be spoiled by Vince McMahon. Vince loves seeing his daughter's husband out there prevailing and you can't live in denial and say he's a bore unless you plain out abhor him. But stop flaming Triple H, it's futile. He ain't going anywhere, and he ain't stepping down because Vince doesn't care what we think of his perpetual superiority. He is the King of Kings in Wrestling. He's is the glue that holds RAW together, along with Cena of course. Basically Triple H is RAW, like it or not and when Vince is fully ready to utilize him in advancing others, you'll see it.

 

[d'lo_brown_kurt_angle]

Why is everyone heating and hating Triple H for dwelling on top of the wrestling mountain? He's conspicuously that damn good. He's dedicated, star-studded, versatile, and total packaged. He's enrolled and ruled in successful factions such as D-Generation X, and Evolution. He made Batista, Randy Orton, and kept Ric Flair loved and afloat. He is commanded to put over people who are worthy and who they envision will last out. Plus, It's factual that he's married to Stephanie McMahon and is Mr. McMahon's son in law, which in all means, he's bound to be spoiled by Vince McMahon. Vince loves seeing his daughter's husband out there prevailing and you can't live in denial and say he's a bore unless you plain out abhor him. But stop flaming Triple H, it's futile. He ain't going anywhere, and he ain't stepping down because Vince doesn't care what we think of his perpetual superiority. He is the King of Kings in Wrestling. He's is the glue that holds RAW together, along with Cena of course. Basically Triple H is RAW, like it or not and when Vince is fully ready to utilize him in advancing others, you'll see it.

HHH puts wrestlers over him? Billy Gunn said this before "He owns the whole damn show there". Trust me he has the passion and he's a great wrestling but the WWE relies on him to much. They need HHH to go heel. I'm tired of the Vince-HHH segments. They need something new, turn him heel. HHH is arguably the best heel ever in the WWE.

 

[TimmyTallsoxx]

I agree HHH should be a heel and i hope they do it before no way out so the chamber is split 50/50 heel/face and maybe get some 6 man tags with heels vs faces. I read that hes politcing backstage figures old prune face will get what he wants a wrestlemania main event his dream that also is more deserving to others like Jeff Hardy,Mr Kennedy, MVP,Y2J,Umaga, and CM Punk or even Shelton Benjamin.

I hate to be a hater but a Great Wrestler once said dont hate the player hate The Game! and i dont mean the game of wrestling i mean the game HHH the bird faced bastard that makes people look weak and crys and gets what he wants backstage i hope within the next 2 years this 80's hair band reject retires for good and i dont mean like austin or foley i mean like guys that dont make appearances afterwards

 

[MrKennedy07]

Triple H does put over talent. I.e Batista, John Cena, Jeff Hardy. Doesnt matter what you think. Hes hardly been the Main Event title seen since, WrestleMania 21 when he lost the World Championship.

Imo, if he doesnt win the belt at WrestleMania 24, then i dont think he will ever get the championship again.

 

[robwylde90]

Triple H does put over talent. I.e Batista, John Cena, Jeff Hardy. Doesnt matter what you think. Hes hardly been the Main Event title seen since, WrestleMania 21 when he lost the World Championship.

Imo, if he doesnt win the belt at WrestleMania 24, then i dont think he will ever get the championship again.

Ok lets define hardly shall we? after WM 21 he had several other title rematches against batista. so thats your theory out the window already. then we had his WM main event the next year against Cena again where he had several matches against him, the champion. Then we had his injury and then bang back into the with his 11th world title reign in october last year. so how exactly has he not been in the title picture? As I thought.

Triple H puts talent over at a 1 : 100 ratio, If not less than that. At least Cena put RVD over, which Trips would NEVER have done.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Ok lets define hardly shall we? after WM 21 he had several other title rematches against batista. so thats your theory out the window already. then we had his WM main event the next year against Cena again where he had several matches against him, the champion. Then we had his injury and then bang back into the with his 11th world title reign in october last year. so how exactly has he not been in the title picture? As I thought.

Triple H puts talent over at a 1 : 100 ratio, If not less than that. At least Cena put RVD over, which Trips would NEVER have done.

Cena put RVD over? Last time I checked, Edge had to interfere and spear Cena through a damn table in order for RVD to win, so that don't qualify has putting someone over(makes them look weak more than anything).

Trips was not part of many title matches since his last "real" reign as champion ended at WM21, let's see:

Backlash 2005: Lost to Batista

Vengeance 2005: Lost to Batista in a HIAC

WM22 2006: Lost to Cena

Backlash 2006: Lost to Cena in a Triple Threat match

No Mercy 2007: Won against Orton

No Mercy 2007: Won against Umaga

No Mercy 2007: Lost to Orton in a Last Man Standing match

That isn't very many when you compare it to Cena or Batista, and notice I underlined his losts, he only won 2 title matches since WM21 in 2005. You can say he buries other wrestlers, but don't bitch about him going after the title because he only had it for 2 hours in nearly three years. I do hope he wins the EC match at No Way Out and beats either Cena or Orton(who am I kidding? We all know it is going to be Cena) at WM24 because he deserves it. Orton has had a mediocre run with the title so far, there was nothing impressive about it because he had a 3 week-long feud with Jericho which ended awfully and his feud with Jeff only lasted a month with a less than stellar match at the Rumble IMO. If Cena becomes champ, it will only be him defying the odds against Snitsky, Mark Henry, and Big Daddy V, and that is something I definitely don't want to see.

I am not saying Triple H should keep going after the title and surpass Flair's 16 title reigns, I just want him to have one last great reign has WWE Champion preferably as an heel because he is great at what he does.

 

[Lil Wes]

Triple H is favoring a match between himself and John Cena at WrestleMania, instead of a match against Randy Orton. Michael Hayes is suggesting that they promote the match like boxing by calling it "HHH-Cena II". Also, Triple H wants to turn heel at some point in the near future

Hmmm...Typical Triple H wanting the WrestleMania spotlight all on himself. Bullshit IMO. It's time for Orton to main event as champion, Orton/Cena was arguably the Feud of The Year in 07. It had a great build up and delievered some ok matches. The climax of the whole feud would have been at No Mercy and Cena goes down to injury, what better way to end the feud than on the biggest stage of them all with two top talents that will be the future of the company for more years to come? Unlike Triple H. It's bullshit. Nothing more than typical Hunter politicking his way into the main event. It's Orton's time. Not his. Enough said.

 

[A.J.]

Hmmm...Typical Triple H wanting the WrestleMania spotlight all on himself. Bullshit IMO. It's time for Orton to main event as champion, Orton/Cena was arguably the Feud of The Year in 07. It had a great build up and delievered some ok matches. The climax of the whole feud would have been at No Mercy and Cena goes down to injury, what better way to end the feud than on the biggest stage of them all with two top talents that will be the future of the company for more years to come? Unlike Triple H. It's bullshit. Nothing more than typical Hunter politicking his way into the main event. It's Orton's time. Not his. Enough said.

Now come one TP who doesn't want to see Triple H-Cena II at the grandest stage of them all Wrestlemania this at Wrestlemania24 But honestly this is the type of things that gets Triple H so much heat with the IWC as he feels the need to be in the main event for the championship none the less in a match we saw at mania two years ago. I dont mind triple H going heel as I think he pulls that off well, but I only see him wanting to go heel so he can win the title at Mania off Cena. Lets fact it if Orton does lose to Cena at NWO and the Trips win it at Mania how much the WWE championship is de-valued again as Trips is telling Orton that he is good but but good enough to main event Mania. Like TP said holing Orton back. Look Hunter should just have a match at Mania and then turn heel there and work his way as heel again and they go after the belt later down the road.

In way you look at it Hunter wanting the gold at mania is crap least give Orton the chance to go into Mania as champ and not basically say your not Mania main event good. Hunter needs back off and help establish younger stars more than he does and stop worrying about be the best when clearly he time is coming to an end to be the top guy...well least in his eyes he will always be the top guy

 

[robwylde90]

Cena put RVD over? Last time I checked, Edge had to interfere and spear Cena through a damn table in order for RVD to win, so that don't qualify has putting someone over(makes them look weak more than anything).

Hmm RVD won the title from Cena and had been holding his own in the match up until that point. HHH had the perfect chance to put RVD over at Unforgiven 2002 and decided hell no. Therefore cena wins in the aspect of putting a deserving athlete like RVD over.

Trips was not part of many title matches since his last "real" reign as champion ended at WM21, let's see:

Backlash 2005: Lost to Batista

Vengeance 2005: Lost to Batista in a HIAC

WM22 2006: Lost to Cena

Backlash 2006: Lost to Cena in a Triple Threat match

No Mercy 2007: Won against Orton

No Mercy 2007: Won against Umaga

No Mercy 2007: Lost to Orton in a Last Man Standing match

The fact that he lost some of the mathes is irrelevant. My point was that he in fact HAS been in the title picture since WM 21 which another poster had disagreed with. I just have to ask though how many is too many? 7 title matches isnt bad going for an already 10 time champion before those matches, especially one that clearly doesn't need the belt to get over. So why is it exactly that trips needs to be in the title scene at all? some of his best feuds have had nothing to do with the belt ie dx vs rated rko, trips vs flair etc. Oh yeah its cause It whats trips wants. and whatevr trips wants, he gets.

That isn't very many when you compare it to Cena or Batista, and notice I underlined his losts, he only won 2 title matches since WM21 in 2005. You can say he buries other wrestlers, but don't bitch about him going after the title because he only had it for 2 hours in nearly three years. I do hope he wins the EC match at No Way Out and beats either Cena or Orton(who am I kidding? We all know it is going to be Cena) at WM24 because he deserves it. Orton has had a mediocre run with the title so far, there was nothing impressive about it because he had a 3 week-long feud with Jericho which ended awfully and his feud with Jeff only lasted a month with a less than stellar match at the Rumble IMO. If Cena becomes champ, it will only be him defying the odds against Snitsky, Mark Henry, and Big Daddy V, and that is something I definitely don't want to see.

Firstly Im not bitching about him going after the title tbh , its more to do with the fact thats hes taking what clearly should be Ortons spot at WM against Cena. In storyline terms it makes perfect sense for the man that put Cena out to fight him on the grandest stage of them all, for the title he never lost. Instead we're gonna get Trips taking over WM yet again for pretty much no reason. Its simple logic, a feud thats been brewing over the last months or start a feud a month before WM? Its obvious that the one thats been built up longer should happen. Secondly Ortons reign as champion has been mediocre yes but let me sit and think why for a second...Because he's been booked to get his ass kicked every week on raw in the 3 feuds hes had as champion? Trips is actually a good example here, during his evolution days how many times did raw close with Trips beating down the face and getting major heat for it? almost every week. Ands that why the fans hated him. Now the fans dont care about Orton cause they dont see him as a threat to their favourite faces do they? They dont hate him because theres nothing substantial enough to hate. And thirdly to address the point about Cena. You speak about Cenas future title reign, with him squashing heel after heel. Do you really think we wouldn't be treated to the exact same thing if hunter was champion? Remember Umaga? the samoan bulldozer who is now a joke because trips buried him so bad? Booker T? The heel that hunter buried on his return and pretty much rubber stamped his arrival in TNA? So dont give me this stuff that trips would be any less of a giant killing Uber face than john cena. At least Cenas funny once in a while.

I am not saying Triple H should keep going after the title and surpass Flair's 16 title reigns, I just want him to have one last great reign has WWE Champion preferably as an heel because he is great at what he does.

I would like a great heel triple H again but I have to ask, to have a great last title reign, why does he have to monopolise WM again? Oh yeah he doesnt. Its just Hunter politicking again. What a suprise.

 

[figure4]

I agree, I'm a big fan of Triple H but I can't defend his politicking all the time. Sure Cena-Trips II would be a good WM main event but that basically eliminates Orton from the picture, which is unfair since it was him (kayfabe) who put Cena out of action in the first place!

It's funny how on the Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak and Triumph DVD Triple H comments on the Montreal Screwjob and says he told Vince McMahon before the match to "Fuck Bret".."If he doesn't want to do business, we'll do business for him". It's funny how he says that like he's a complete angel and "does business" the proper way all the time. Just like robwylde90 said Trips pretty much shitted on both UmaNGA and Booker T over the last year. Even Jeff Hardy will probably end up feeling the wrath of Triple H; over the last month or so he's been the most entertaining thing WWE has offered but since he lost to Orton at the Rumble, he probably won't win the EC at No Way Out and it will probably be a while before he's a serious contender again. Triple H will probably do the same to Orton as well. Granted Orton has been a mediocre champion at best but he deserves the chance to main event WrestleMania. Triple H could easily find a way to get in a top-tier match at the event maybe against JBL or Mr. Kennedy or even against Batista again...but it really defies logic for Triple H to be in the main event considering that he's basically accomplished NOTHING over the past few months....losing to Hardy, being overshadowed at the Rumble by Cena... It just seems a little weird to me.

 

[robwylde90]

I agree, I'm a big fan of Triple H but I can't defend his politicking all the time. Sure Cena-Trips II would be a good WM main event but that basically eliminates Orton from the picture, which is unfair since it was him (kayfabe) who put Cena out of action in the first place!

It's funny how on the Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak and Triumph DVD Triple H comments on the Montreal Screwjob and says he told Vince McMahon before the match to "Fuck Bret".."If he doesn't want to do business, we'll do business for him". It's funny how he says that like he's a complete angel and "does business" the proper way all the time. Just like robwylde90 said Trips pretty much shitted on both UmaNGA and Booker T over the last year. Even Jeff Hardy will probably end up feeling the wrath of Triple H; over the last month or so he's been the most entertaining thing WWE has offered but since he lost to Orton at the Rumble, he probably won't win the EC at No Way Out and it will probably be a while before he's a serious contender again. Triple H will probably do the same to Orton as well. Granted Orton has been a mediocre champion at best but he deserves the chance to main event WrestleMania. Triple H could easily find a way to get in a top-tier match at the event maybe against JBL or Mr. Kennedy or even against Batista again...but it really defies logic for Triple H to be in the main event considering that he's basically accomplished NOTHING over the past few months....losing to Hardy, being overshadowed at the Rumble by Cena... It just seems a little weird to me.

Man even Pro trips are getting on my side here. awesome. You make a good point that trips has been losing some big matches over the past few months like losing to hardy, this makes him shoving orton out of the WM and most likely into the MITB even more insane. One day Trips is gonna retire and half the audience is gonna walk away cause there wont be any new stars to cheer for when he does. His glass ceiling will finally backfire. They'l try to manufacture new stars at that point but it will be too late. Damn levesque.

 

[Electric Wizard]

I'm a Triple H fan but I agree, I don't like and can't defend his constant politicking all the time to be honest with you.Triple H has buried people like Umaga,Booker T,Orton and a few others.I mean he had Orton job to him at Unforgiven '04,Royal Rumble '05 and a couple other times too if I'm not mistaken and he hasn't recovered from that.I just hope that Triple H will someday wake up and realize what he's done and how many people he's buried over the years.Also how he's been shellfish.Yeah he put over Jeff Hardy at Armageddon but guess what ? Triple H is still going to win the title soon anyways at Wrestlemania or so it really doesn't matter that he put over Hardy because Triple H is gonna get to the top again anyways.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Answer me this question: What is the bigger draw: HHH vs Cena OR Orton vs Cena as the Main Event at WM24? Whoever says the latter obviously does not know what the fans want.

If it did happen to be Cena vs Orton, who will win? 9.9 out of 10 times it will be Cena, do most fans want to see that? NO, too predictable.

If it is Cena vs Triple H, the chances of winning for both men are 50/50 IMO, thus meaning a more anticipated Main Event where more fans would order the PPV to see who wins. People may say Trips will win because he never won a WM since 2003 and he "politicks his way to getting what he wants". Then we have people saying that Cena will win because he is.......uh... well..... John Cena lol, and he will be the Face in that match(Faces usually win the Main Event at WrestleMania and Trips is going to turn heel any week now).

Where was all the Randy Orton supporters last year when he and Edge was placed in the MITB match and Shawn Michaels/Undertaker was hogging up the spotlight in the Main Event at WM23? I didn't hear any complaining then, Edge and Orton were primed and ready for the top spots last year after they finished their feud with DX, but it ended up being Shawn Michaels who faced Cena in a Face vs Face match and the same goes for Taker and Batista. You can't blame Triple H for that, or maybe everybody actually liked Taker/HBK in the Main Events because THEY WERE THE BIGGER DRAWS. People saying that Triple H is ruining the future(by staying in the title hunt, beating younger stars, etc.) of the WWE is ridiculous, believe me, Taker and HBK are not making matters any better when you go by that theory.

Also, when people say Orton and Cena had an ongoing feud and should have ended it at WM24 got to realize the purpose of a PPV. Isn't that what every PPV is for? To end/continue feuds, thats why they are settling the score at a PPV called No Way Out. WrestleMania isn't the only PPV where feuds come to an end.

Vince is going to squeeze every bit of star power from the older big stars in the company before they retire, Triple H included. People got to realize that, if you don't like seeing older stars get the attention, wait another 5-10 years for them to retire and then start watching WWE, by then Randy Orton will probably be a "backstage politician" and you all will be bitching on him.

 

[steven87gill]

I dont see HHH turning heel any time soon, especially at WrestleMania,
it's way to obvious, he's been a heel for most of his career, and anyway, a lot of people on here were complaining back then when he was a bad guy that he was getting boring as hell.

It was getting stale after a while, and for me, his face turn has reinvigorated his gimmick IMHO and given him a second lease of life, character wise.

If anything, if Cena retains (assuming he wins at NWO) don't be suprised if WWE aren't considering a heel turn for him. I've noticed a lot of people saying how they'll love HHH when he turns, well, um, doesn't that make him turning heel pointless, you're meant to hate him, thats the point.

Plus I think what most people want is a return to the more angry badass HHH not heel HHH, that said i do like his more comedy side, damn, am i the only one who prefers HHH as a face, anyone else feel like that?

 

[peterf]

I think triple hhh is past his best, but he still loved by lots of fans, personallly i think that he the second best behind john cena like it shown in the royal rumble and he will win the ec. so he is still doing well but i think when he losses at wrestlemania 24 i think he may go to smackdown