The Triple H Thread

[blackhart07]

It should be Cena and Orton at WM. They had a great feud on 2007. Orton had done a great job holding the belt. He is a better heel than HHH right now. This great feud would all come together at WM 24 which it should until HHH has to cry about it. You HHH marks know its true to. He fucked over Booker T and RVD so bad. I felt bad for Booker T at WM 19 i was almost positive he would win the title but no, and for what reason?The people wanted Booker T to win isnt it logical to give the people what they want? Fast forward to 2007 HHH makes his big return only to squash Booker T at SS. Booker T is in the shitter while HHH stays on top. Even though Booker is a better worker, gets a bigger pop, and is a fresh new face who never got the oppurtunity that he deserved. Back to 2002 Unforgiven 2002, RVD enters the company in 2001. Is easily getting the biggest chants next to maybe Austin. The WWE actually built him up good. He won the IC title at WM 18 feuded with Eddie and was in the KOTR finals with Lesnar. This whole time gets getting huge pops and is the most over person in the business. Now to Unforgiven RVD is ready for the title. He is a great worker, he is over, alright mic skills, and has proven that he can draw. What happens of course HHH shits on him again. What happens to RVD back to the mid card scene for the next 4 years until he finally gets a pathetic push in 2006 only to have him drop the belt a month later. If anyone has ever read a RVD shoot interview he says flat out how HHH said he couldnt draw. HHH holds down talent hes gonnea fuck over Orton at WM and it will be Cena vs HHH, when it should be Orton. Now Orton will be in MITB. There is no history between Cena and HHH leading up to this. ORton and Cena probally the best feud in 2007, i question the logic.

 

[vtoa27]

First off, Booker T never got pops like Triple H. He isn't even a fresh face compared to HHH. At the time of their bout in 07, they were on the same level of "freshness" if you will. I agree that he is the better worker and I also agree that HHH basically buried him at SS for good.

As for Cena vs. Orton at 24, it doesn't really matter to me at this point. From a business stand point, it makes sense for the WWE to put the strap on Cena again but to me, I just can't bear to go through it again. I like Cena. Hell, I even like HHH. The fact is I'm sick of seeing the two of them with gold. Cena goes down with an injury and it's bittersweet because you don't like to see someone get hurt but I was pleased to see something DIFFERENT out there. Orton worked for me. He wasn't perfect in the ring; he is above-average. He isn't great at doing promos; he's average. But he's a consummate heel. He plays his part so damn well. Even tonight, at No Way Out, he played his heel character perfectly. I also enjoy a good heel and God knows a lot of the veteran wrestling fans enjoy one too.

With 24 looking like a triple threat between Trips, Cena, and RKO -- well, which one of these guys doesn't belong. It'll just be another year of Cena or HHH. And you can bet that when one of the two drops the belt the other will pick it up. Predictable and boring.

You also bring up a good point with Orton and Cena's feud. Best of 07? Eh. I dunno about that. But it was damn good. Their SS match had a lot of hype and I was legitimately pumped for that match (I sincerely thought that was the night Orton would finally take it). Now you have what is most likely a triple threat match, a match that brings no closure to a main event feud and a match where one side of the main event feud has ZERO chance of retaining. I mean, in any event, be it HHH vs. Orton or Cena vs. Orton, Orton is finished. Maybe enjoying the guy just because he isn't Trips or Cena is wrong in a way but hey, I enjoy the heels, I enjoy the unpredictability that a champ like Orton brings (in the sense that unlike Cena, you can make a case for Orton's opponent(s) at ever PPV), and I'm sick of the norm. Call me crazy.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

But still huh? Good point.


I think that having Trips in the Main Event is a pretty good choice. He is a solid, credible guy that gives the match stability if it's only v. Orton. But, we all know that Cena is going to get put into the match either tonight on Raw or in a few weeks. Trips is getting past his prime, and they should get the most out of him while they still can. He's still good, by all means. But he's no 2000 Triple H.

 

[erc24]

I'm about the biggest HHH fan there is, so I def want to see the strap on him again. I say give him one long run (ala Cena) have him defeat both Cena and Batista (esp Batista for jobbing......what was it three PPVs at one point for him to get over), and then let him settle into a current HBK role where he's near the top, but prob not getting that strap again. Orton is okay in the ring, but like all other pro wrestlers nowadays, they/he needs to incorporate more moves in their routines to make them fresher. Orton is okay on the mic as well. As for Cena, we booed him almost out of the Horizon here in Chicago on the Raw after WM a while back. He's good on the stick, but his inring is one of the worst to me. He's too stiff (not hard hitting), but physically too stiff, like he can't move comfortably with his current build. His punches are pathetic in my eyes because he extends so far back, just horrible. As for WM, Trips should leave with the strap cause the past couple manias when he was healthy and performing, he tapped to Benoit and Cena, and lost to Batista, he's overdue for a title run again. Giving Cena the belt for that long was too long, it went stale for me that I couldn't watch RAW for a while (and I've never had that happen to me in 21 years of being a fan........turning off a show).

As for Booker T, they shouldn't have buried him like that, but I don't think he's a bad worker at all, I think he's a really good one. But his charisma/character was cheesy and he didn't pull it off at all to me except every once in a while when he'd get a laugh outta me. Speaking overall, Booker T isn't nearly as good all-round as The Game (charisma). But that was pathetic how they handled it.

 

[LegendKiller97]

I dont see HHH or Orton leaving with the title at Mania. This is the Cena era and we are just going to have to deal with it. I think the WWE will put the title on Cena and it will lead into a long program with HHH. I could see HHH taking the title off of Cena but just not at Mania. Cena is the face of the WWE and fresh off his return from his injury. Mania is the WWE's biggest PPV and gets the most media exposure. So in the end I see Orton losing the title to Cena. I think no matter what Orton is the guy who gets pinned or taps in this match.

 

[FoleyIsGod]

IS there anyone else bored of seeing Triple H at the top of a promotion?

Hell, I got sick of seeing Hogan in WCW around 1998, although I admit I was a Hulkamaniac back in the 80s when he was running wild. But by the time 1998 came around, I was sick of seeing the same old guy with the same old moves.

I think Triple H has gone down the same route, using the same moveset as he did back in 2000, when he had those white hot matches vs Foley. 8 years is a long time in wrestling, seeing Triple H at the top for that amount of time is just too much. I only watch Raw now due to the fact Im a huge Hardy mark (I think I started because a girl I wanted to nail was kinda in love with him!)

 

[hhhfan11]

Hells Yeah i would have loved to see hunter vs hardy again, except this time have a good finish not that b.s. that hardy barely beats hunter, do something with a great finish, as these two could put alot out on a match.

 

[SCSA123]

IS there anyone else bored of seeing Triple H at the top of a promotion?

Hell, I got sick of seeing Hogan in WCW around 1998, although I admit I was a Hulkamaniac back in the 80s when he was running wild. But by the time 1998 came around, I was sick of seeing the same old guy with the same old moves.

I think Triple H has gone down the same route, using the same moveset as he did back in 2000, when he had those white hot matches vs Foley. 8 years is a long time in wrestling, seeing Triple H at the top for that amount of time is just too much. I only watch Raw now due to the fact Im a huge Hardy mark (I think I started because a girl I wanted to nail was kinda in love with him!)

I think HHH gets a lot of unfair criticism.

While I agree he obviously gets extra stroke for being married to the Boss's Daughter, really anyone would get the same thing if they were married to Stephanie.

One thing to note is he's only won the title once in the last few years, and that one reign was less than 3 hours long.

He also played a huge part in making Randy Orton, as well as Batista. He put Batista over 3 times in a short span, and the same thing goes for Cena. Not to mention he helped rise Benoit back to the top ranks in 2004 by losing to him in almost every match they had that year. Then to a smaller extent, he put over Shelton Benjamin 3 times which instantly elevated him from a tag team guy to a top midcarder (even though Shelton's career has gone downhill since that one run).

So anyone who says he never puts anyone over is wrong. I mean, he's no Mick Foley when it comes to putting guys over, but given his talent even at his current age, he's certainly putting over enough.

HHH is still one of the best performers in the business, and combine that with the fact that guys like Flair and Hogan got even more title reigns than him (so far), really makes HHH's long run not a big deal at all (atleast not in a bad way).

Not to mention he actually worked to get where he's at. His original push was halted (though it wound up working out since we got Stone Cold out of it) because of the Clique incident, and despite the fact that he really had the least to do with it, he jobbed for a full year without complaining (that last part was according to HBK). Then he worked his way up the midcard while having some outstanding fueds (with The Rock and Owen Hart, among others) in my opinion. He finally got his chance in 1999, and I think he more than delivered.

Of course there is always someone who deserves credit for playing a major part in one's rise to the top, and I think we can all agree that the great Mick Foley had a lot to do with this. I truly don't think there's anyone in this business who can elevate a guy in just one match and/or feud like Foley can.

But, back to HHH. In closing, I don't think HHH is as bad as he is percieved online, though other than what I've stated already I don't really have anything of significance to back that up aside from Wrestler's quotes (which some would likely just say that they were kissing butt). Of course, since I'm not actually backstage to witness any of this, I could be completely wrong, it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

[stephhh]

I'll have to agree with all HHH lovers here and I love Triple H to death. I'm glad to find a thread for him here though some of the comments are offending but that makes the discussions interesting. I like HHH from 1997 and I think all his accomplishments are for his hardworks, dedications, talents and not because of the fact that he is married to Steph. People who try to make this a big issue and cant acknowledge a talent like him is plain sick. But it makes Hunter more popular with the heat he gets. I love him, he is hot and he is a legend and I dont care what others think of him being bad etc...
I hope he wins at wm and regains the title.

 

[bucwild]

FUCK Steroid boy who sleeps with the bosses daughter pregnats her and kisses Vince ass!!He stareted skinny amout to nothin,kisses OLD BREAK MAN Ass when his lover Nash n Scott Alcholic Hall left him,uses steroids,marries Steph kisses Vinces ass to get where he at today!!If he neva did these things he wouldnt be the top dog but he did he a bitch!!!On Raw March 25 The legend the Icon The Maineventer Nature Boy Ric Flair should have have came out last but no his big ass nose is so far up Vinces ass he had to have his way!!FUCK PAUL "Steroid" LEVEQUE n MICHAEL "GAY"HICKERBOTTEM!!!

 

[SCSA123]

FUCK Steroid boy who sleeps with the bosses daughter pregnats her and kisses Vince ass!!He stareted skinny amout to nothin,kisses OLD BREAK MAN Ass when his lover Nash n Scott Alcholic Hall left him,uses steroids,marries Steph kisses Vinces ass to get where he at today!!If he neva did these things he wouldnt be the top dog but he did he a bitch!!!On Raw March 25 The legend the Icon The Maineventer Nature Boy Ric Flair should have have came out last but no his big ass nose is so far up Vinces ass he had to have his way!!FUCK PAUL "Steroid" LEVEQUE n MICHAEL "GAY"HICKERBOTTEM!!!

This was a rant in which you had no evidence to back up your theories.

You have no evidence that he did steroids, and you certainly have no evidence that he wouldn't be where he's at today had he not married Stephanie. You have no evidence that he kisses Vince's behind.

 

[Kobayashi]

My overall views on Triple H are that I hate him, I don't like the way that he has abused his power to stay at the top. I am not denying that Triple H isn't a good in ring talent, but due to the titles and how many titles he has won. It just makes me think that alot of that was due to his backstage power. I see him as quite a bit of a politician as well, and will stop at nothing to stay at the top. And the amount of talent that he has rolled over to make sure no one gets more momentum than him is just plain ridicolous. Alot of wrestlers when there time is drawing near give back to the business for example Flair and Funk. But Triple H just wants to stay at the top forever.

 

[International Kid]

I hate the guy, he throws his weight around, (and lets face it, with that nose, its a big weight) and doesn't job to anyone except his friends, he is WWEs curse.If he doesnt like you, you might as well work for the Indies or TNA, he is a decent version of Hogan, except Triple H has some talent, his matches are just getting slow and boring, because of his quads, so I think he should let some of the younger guys get over, and move off the main event spot for a while, to let people like Carlito, and Jericho get over more. I mean Chris Jericho always loses to Triple H, purely because of Triple H's backstage power. Chris Jericho should be going for the WWE title, not the IC champ, (although it is a good record.)

 

[DrakeShadow]

Im new to this forum but not new to the wrestling forums and its the same story everywhere. Triple H is hated because of his power backstage and his stay to the top and how he always wins. Fact: Triple H hasnt won a Wrestlemania since 19, and he hasnt held the title since Wrestlemania 21(No Mercy 07 doesnt count), and Triple H with the huge help of Flair has help make two of the best stars now in the WWE(Orton and Batista).

Triple H isnt always at the top, and now that he is people are only saying its cause hes married to Steph. But when Triple H came back in 2002 and won the Undisputed Championship people were all over him, but when he married steph he will prolly never be reconized for everything that he has done for the business and only be reconized for being married to nthe bosses daughter. Ya his matches are slow but everyone slows down and tones it down a bit after injuries(RVD and Rey for example).

Triple H has done alot and has stayed at the top but anyone who gets to the top never wants to let that spot go. Hogan, Angle, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Vince McMahon lol. The truth is if you has the top spot for a while you would do anything to stay at the top for as long as they can. Its the truth. But just wanted to say Hi!

 

[Freedom 35]

Im tired of hearing he should be jobbing to people, at this current moment take a look around and tell me who he should put over? Dont tell me Kennedy at this moment Kennedys about as over as Layla on ECW and really needs to get some things going for him before he even deserves to be elevated to that spot, same with MVP while hes getting there hes still not ready for that spot and is still on Smackdown so that idea can be forgotten about. However my opinion on Triple H may change over time depending on his willingness to put those guys over when their time comes because its really not right now. I hope and believe that when that time comes he will put those guys over because Triple H is not a dumb guy he knows that the company will be in his hands at some point and Im sure he wants to inherit it in the best shape possible and the way to do that is to build the biggest stars and a crucial ingredient to that is elevating them over himself. like I said I hope its just a matter of time

 

[iceninja]

i think he is a great performer, tho for a long time i was tired of seeing him as champ...not putting Y2J over when he was insanely popular and keeping him down just because he doesnt like him...he doesnt always need to be the mainevent and i dont think he wants to give up his spot just like all the older guys he wanted the spots of back in 1997/8 he complained about what he is doing now. Not to discredit his ability in the ring he can still have awsome matches with the right people...anyway to sum up simply
great wrestler asset to the company
should be willing to put other people above himself in the mainevent spot and not just himself

 

[hhh2k8]

IMO i think that hhh is a good wrestler he is good on the mic and gets the ratings up on RAW. He might be a bit luck being vinces son in law but there is alot of people who have power backstage not just hi. So people should cut him some slack b/c he is one of the best things to happen to the wwe

 

[kenvin100]

HHH is okay in my opinion, but I would like him to take a back seat and let the kids do main events for once lol! If he did this, the other wrestlers wont be hating since this guy is already married to Stephanie McMahon!

If he follows Taker and lets the new talent do their work, then he'll most likely receive some respect!

 

[sackhead]

Since he has lost at wm I think we are getting the best h we have seen in awhile. I used to hate him but now I'm kinda ready for the king to get his title back. As long as he is a rebel and not really a heel or a face he is great as far as I'm concerned. He kinda marches to his own beat and doesn't fall as a good or bad guy. By the end of the year I will probably actually be rooting for him to drop Orton and regain what is his. At least for awhile.

 

[TheShowzOver]

How can you hate Triple H? Especially after he lost tonight again at Wrestlemania. That's year after year that he has put guys over on the biggest stage. When Triple H gets another long title run it will be well deserved. It's been a long time

 

[Canadian Knight]

I used to hate HHH. Right now i think he is not bad. The only reason is that he has not gone for the belt in awhile and he has let the others shine. The reason why I hated him was the fact it was his me, me, me mentality. He had the belt for what seemed forever (and if he did lose it he got it back really fast). And remember that he did not just get here by talent. Being married into the McMahon family helped as well. And he also stopped Jericho from getting the belt earlier in his career, the reason why Goldberg never resigned, why Road Dogg and Gunn also are not planning to come back.

 

[SCSA123]

My overall views on Triple H are that I hate him, I don't like the way that he has abused his power to stay at the top. I am not denying that Triple H isn't a good in ring talent, but due to the titles and how many titles he has won. It just makes me think that alot of that was due to his backstage power. I see him as quite a bit of a politician as well, and will stop at nothing to stay at the top. And the amount of talent that he has rolled over to make sure no one gets more momentum than him is just plain ridicolous. Alot of wrestlers when there time is drawing near give back to the business for example Flair and Funk. But Triple H just wants to stay at the top forever.

Yet you have nothing to back this up with. What's so wrong about HHH having 11 title reigns? Hogan had 12, and Flair had 16. HHH is one of the greatest of all time, so for him to have the third most title reigns of all time isn't a bad thing or something he didn't deserve.

HHH had to work his way up the ladder twice to get where he's at.

I hate the guy, he throws his weight around, (and lets face it, with that nose, its a big weight) and doesn't job to anyone except his friends, he is WWEs curse.If he doesnt like you, you might as well work for the Indies or TNA, he is a decent version of Hogan, except Triple H has some talent, his matches are just getting slow and boring, because of his quads, so I think he should let some of the younger guys get over, and move off the main event spot for a while, to let people like Carlito, and Jericho get over more. I mean Chris Jericho always loses to Triple H, purely because of Triple H's backstage power. Chris Jericho should be going for the WWE title, not the IC champ, (although it is a good record.)

Almost all of them are friends, so to limit his jobbing to people who aren't his friends is just silly. He has put over quite a bit of talent.

And as per usual with the HHH haters, you have no evidence of your claims that HHH "abuses his power".

Im tired of hearing he should be jobbing to people, at this current moment take a look around and tell me who he should put over? Dont tell me Kennedy at this moment Kennedys about as over as Layla on ECW

I strongly disagree that Kennedy isn't over. He even gets face reactions sometimes because of how over he is.

i think he is a great performer, tho for a long time i was tired of seeing him as champ...not putting Y2J over when he was insanely popular and keeping him down just because he doesnt like him

First of all, when was this? The only time they had a serious rivalry during Chris Jericho's prime was in 2002, when HHH had just come back from an injury, and HHH deserved to win the title then.

Secondly, where is your evidence that he held Y2J down?

HHH is okay in my opinion, but I would like him to take a back seat and let the kids do main events for once lol! If he did this, the other wrestlers wont be hating since this guy is already married to Stephanie McMahon!

If he follows Taker and lets the new talent do their work, then he'll most likely receive some respect!

Taker? You mean the same guy who won the World Title at Wrestlemania? Your post contradicts your very own logic. You just said that HHH should let the young kids main event, yet ironically enough The Undertaker just main evented the biggest show of the year, and arguably one of the biggest events of all time, and not to mention he won the World Title on that same show.

Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that Taker deserved to win that match, and deserves the title reign he is currently getting, I just wanted to point out that you contradict your very own logic.

But for the record, HHH does let the kids main event, he just main events with them, which actually helps to elevate them. It's good for the youngsters to get to work with future HOF veterans of the business.

The reason why I hated him was the fact it was his me, me, me mentality. He had the belt for what seemed forever (and if he did lose it he got it back really fast). And remember that he did not just get here by talent. Being married into the McMahon family helped as well. And he also stopped Jericho from getting the belt earlier in his career, the reason why Goldberg never resigned, why Road Dogg and Gunn also are not planning to come back.

Wow, that is way off. What is your evidence of this "me, me, me" mentality? Having the title for a long time is a thing that has always happened in this business, so why all of a sudden is HHH having a long title reign a bad thing?

You are wrong about how he got here. He was being pushed as a major star before he even married Stephanie, and no one has worked harder to get where they are than he did. He had to pay his dues twice, and for no rightful reason.

Goldberg is a bitter person who is actually a "me, me, me" person himself. He complained because he felt his gimmick was used wrong. What a pathetic thing to complain about when you're still pushed as a top superstar getting paid top money and even having a title run, and not to mention beating one of WWE's greatest in The Rock upon his arrival in the Company. But no, that wasn't good enough for him, he wanted it to be like where he would dominate everyone.

As for B.G and Kip James, they were bitter at first over the fact that they were released. They actually stated last year that they would go back to the WWE if they were offered a return, and that's why they were made fun of all over the Internet. They talked so much smack about Vince, HHH, and the WWE, and then they got on their knees and stated they wanted to go back. Quite frankly neither had the talent to be a top star in the WWE, and the fact that they will go down as one of the greatest tag teams of all time, and not to mention being in arguably the greatest faction of all time, should sure as heck be enough to be considered great success. Look at Lance Storm, he considers his career a success (as do I), and he didn't do as much as either Billy Gunn nor Road Dogg. B.G James doesn't have the in ring talent to be a top level performer in the WWE (heck, not even in TNA), and Kip James doesn't have enough charisma or presence, nor in ring ability to be a top level performer in the WWE (or heck, once again, not even in TNA).

 

[ABS]

Triple H just proved everyone wrong and who ever says once again that Trips doesnt put people over is just arrogent.

Mania 20 : Jobbed to Benoit
Mania 21 : Jobbed to Batista
Mania 22 : Jobbed to Cena
Mania 23 : Injured
Mania 24 : Jobbed to both Cena and Orton
No mercy : Jobbed to Orton
Arrmegedon : Jobbed to HArdy

What more do you want ? YOours complaining becuase hes always main eventing ... IMO Do you think Batista would have been as succefull as he is now if he didnt beat Trips. Everyone Trips jobbed to it soldified there career. Why ? Because Trips is that DAMN! good.

Nuff Said. Stop this bullshit complains bout trips. The guy didnt not have a proper reign since what ? 4 years.

 

[Ichigo]

A long long long time ago, HHH was on top all the time, But that's because the only person who could really work on his level was HBK, They had a tremendous rivalry. The main reason HHH came out on top was in my opinion down to 2 things....

1. HBK had been there and done it all
2. HBK was and still isn't in the best of health.

Even then he still won the first elimination chamber just to give the fans something different.

Look at the last few years...

WM20 - Loses to Benoit and puts him over for months until orton beat him, The only reason he got the title back from orton is because he wasn't ready and they didn't want lesnar as the youngest champion in history. He then lost it shortly after to goldberg and only got it back to show evolutions dominance and so they would be likened to the four horsemen.

WM21 - Loses to Batista and puts him over for months on end too.

WM22 - Loses to Cena and loses to him for a few months.

Armageddon - Puts over Jeff Hardy

Royal Rumble - Puts Cena over yet again.

WM 24 - Doesn't win, Allowing orton to continue his deserved title run.

So how people can say he's power hungry and power abusive is beyond me.

And yes, He had to work for it all twice over after the MSG incident.

 

[Batistabomb10]

I've read all of the negativity that my fellow Wrestlezone comrades have written about Triple H and his backstage politicking. I am here to try (to the best of my ability) to defend him and shed a little light on the situation. I hope, though, that all of you realize that I am basing all of this thread on what I *believe*; it's all opinion. The only one who knows the real motives behind the actions is The Game himself. Considering he isn't a member of these Forums (at least to our knowledge), those motives may never be revealed! So, without further ado, I present you each of you:

Triple H: The Bare Facts​

I think we can all agree that Paul Levesque (Triple H, for all of you fans out there who don't know him by his real name) has the best interest of the company at heart. I mean, his father in-law, mother in-law, brother in-law, and wife have all made their living from the business, even before Triple H came into the picture and married Stephanie. With that being said: I believe that Triple H does not play politics for a completely self-centered reason. Albeit, he DOES want to keep his main event slot, but then again, I strongly believe that if any one of US were in his position, we would not be so inclined to relinquish such a spot at the top either. In fact, I dare anyone to say that they would gladly hand over such a prestigious spot as the one Paul holds currently. If they do, they'd be lying, I guarantee it.

The bottom line is: Triple H has been dealt a hand that he's beating the dealer with every time. Who can honestly blame him for utilizing his power and influence. Clearly he has times where he puts people over; Jeff Hardy and Randy Orton being the two most recent that come to my mind. The question everyone needs to ask themselves is: what's the big deal? I believe that Paul balances the 'big wins' with the losses, at least enough to compensate. Not to mention the fact that he is over with the fans, whether face or heel! The guy has drawing power, in my opinion. So, my point is to enlighten everyone who may hold a grudge against the Cerebral Assassin for 'backstage politicking.' He really does have the fans' excitement in mind, and the best interest of the WWE at heart.

Feel free to offer feedback and share your thoughts!