The Triple H Thread

[Uncle Sam]

Triple H is probably my favorite Wrestler bar none.

The move-set thing is the stupidest point I think I have ever seen, and I am surprised no-one has picked up on this yet. The WWE have a certain style that they want their workers to use and therefore they will work that style. Its no coincidence that both Cena and Triple H work this kind of style, look at Batista, Undertaker even some of the younger guys coming up, their move-sets are very limited, because thats the way management want it no other reason.

I actually agree with this. Although I did sort of try to take away from his in-ring skills in my last post, it was really only to prove a point. The other poster had conceded that Triple H was a poor wrestler, and it kind of made my point look weak if I were to disagree. That being said, I no longer really enjoy his matches.

I don't go in for this backstage polticker bollocks. Just because some guy on a news site claims that Triple H is holding people down it doesn't make it true. Would people believe that the earth was flat if three or four popular websites kept reporting it? No they wouldn't. I think the one thing that you can judge Triple H on fairly is his performance in the ring and on the mic, because it's the only thing we all see. Personally I haven't liked his face run, I think he has been a tad boring at times and I feel he makes a much better heel, but thats just my opinion.

I think that, while there's the possibility the rumours aren't true, the likelihood is that they are. Triple H was part of the clique (or kliq, or what-the-fuck-ever) and is now married to the boss's daughter and an influential woman in Stephanie McMahon. That puts him in perhaps one of the best positions to politic in the history of wrestling, and better men would do the same thing he is... may be doing.

I think that while Triple H's performance in the ring and on the mic has been consistent, that's just made him, to an extent, boring and tedious. For a man that's not even involved in the title race, he's totally overexposed. He gets a ridiculous amount of airtime, and articles about Raw on WWE.com seem to focus on whatever things he was doing Monday night, over even Randy Orton. I'm not saying he decides what goes on the website or whatever, just saying he's overexposed. The tag team division as a whole doesn't even get an eighth of the exposure he gets. In my mind, it's pretty ridiculous.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

I actually agree with this. Although I did sort of try to take away from his in-ring skills in my last post, it was really only to prove a point. The other poster had conceded that Triple H was a poor wrestler, and it kind of made my point look weak if I were to disagree. That being said, I no longer really enjoy his matches.



I think that, while there's the possibility the rumours aren't true, the likelihood is that they are. Triple H was part of the clique (or kliq, or what-the-fuck-ever) and is now married to the boss's daughter and an influential woman in Stephanie McMahon. That puts him in perhaps one of the best positions to politic in the history of wrestling, and better men would do the same thing he is... may be doing.

I think that while Triple H's performance in the ring and on the mic has been consistent, that's just made him, to an extent, boring and tedious. For a man that's not even involved in the title race, he's totally overexposed. He gets a ridiculous amount of airtime, and articles about Raw on WWE.com seem to focus on whatever things he was doing Monday night, over even Randy Orton. I'm not saying he decides what goes on the website or whatever, just saying he's overexposed. The tag team division as a whole doesn't even get an eighth of the exposure he gets. In my mind, it's pretty ridiculous.

For an Angle fan, saying this is a bit hypocritical Sam, Kurt Angle gets air time after every frickin' match on Impact, even for a champion it is too much. Triple H only appeared twice last Monday: He attacked Regal at the first of the night, then beat him in a short First Blood match. He is in a storyline where Vince is trying to screw him out of every title opportunity possible and when you are feuding with The Boss, you know that he is going to appear two or three times each week.

As for the limited moveset, like Jonny previously mentioned that is pure bullsh*t. ALL of the big stars does the exact same thing:

HBK-Flying Elbow Smash, 2 Inverted Atomic Drops, Scoop Slam, Elbow Drop

Taker-Snake Eyes, Big Boot, Flying Clothesline, Triangle Choke, Old School, Chokeslam

Batista-Clothesline, Shoulder Butts, Powerslam, Spear, Spinebuster

John Cena-Throwback, Hiptoss, FameAsser, Spinout Bomb, 5-Knuckle Shuffle

Believe me people, HHH is not the only one. It is like if you made a name for yourself in the WWE, you are rewarded with a limited moveset, that is how it has always been. This way lowers the chance of a big star getting injured, that is why they do it, Trips can do a lot more in the ring than most of you think.

Then there is the political crap, and I am going to say it now: If I had the power in a company to give myself a raise, I WILL DO IT, who wouldn't? For the temptations that Trips has faced(opportunities to give himself title reigns, and having creative control over certain feuds), I think he is doing an excellent job.

The matter of the fact is that the IWC lost their prime target in John Cena when he got injured so now they are trying to dig up dirt on Triple H. That is why we are reading a lot of negative HHH news recently like: "HHH buries Umaga because he wore a bit of white on his tights, even though it was Shawn who threw the hissy fit", "HHH holds a gun to Jericho's head telling him not to get over with the fans or else, even though the fans were not into Y2J's return since the very first day he came back", and "Randy Orton stands up to the big bad wolf HHH and is sick of him burying talent, even though he will likely be doing the exact same thing in 5-10 years and the IWC will be bitching about Orton being the new HHH".

Give Triple H a break, he is not as bad as most of you think, he was with the WWE for 12 years now and is very passionate about his job. He is one of the guys that does what he loves for us the fans, not just the money.

 

[Uncle Sam]

For an Angle fan, saying this is a bit hypocritical Sam, Kurt Angle gets air time after every frickin' match on Impact, even for a champion it is too much.

Yea, I suppose it is quite hypocritical. However, as you said, Angle is the champion so that is somewhat justified, even though it is excessive.

As for the limited moveset, like Jonny previously mentioned that is pure bullsh*t. ALL of the big stars does the exact same thing:

HBK-Flying Elbow Smash, 2 Inverted Atomic Drops, Scoop Slam, Elbow Drop

Taker-Snake Eyes, Big Boot, Flying Clothesline, Triangle Choke, Old School, Chokeslam

Batista-Clothesline, Shoulder Butts, Powerslam, Spear, Spinebuster

John Cena-Throwback, Hiptoss, FameAsser, Spinout Bomb, 5-Knuckle Shuffle

As I said to Jonny, I agree.

Then there is the political crap, and I am going to say it now: If I had the power in a company to give myself a raise, I WILL DO IT, who wouldn't? For the temptations that Trips has faced(opportunities to give himself title reigns, and having creative control over certain feuds), I think he is doing an excellent job.

So, you're saying that 11 world title reigns isn't giving into temptation? It'd be amazing to see what WWE would be like if Triple H didn't have self-control.

The matter of the fact is that the IWC lost their prime target in John Cena when he got injured so now they are trying to dig up dirt on Triple H. That is why we are reading a lot of negative HHH news recently like: "HHH buries Umaga because he wore a bit of white on his tights, even though it was Shawn who threw the hissy fit", "HHH holds a gun to Jericho's head telling him not to get over with the fans or else, even though the fans were not into Y2J's return since the very first day he came back", and "Randy Orton stands up to the big bad wolf HHH and is sick of him burying talent, even though he will likely be doing the exact same thing in 5-10 years and the IWC will be bitching about Orton being the new HHH".

I agree that it has been thrown out of proportion. Underneath it all though, I think there is a lot of truth. Cena merely shielded Triple H, it doesn't make what is said about Triple H untrue necessarily, although it can be grossly exaggerated in my opinion.

Give Triple H a break, he is not as bad as most of you think, he was with the WWE for 12 years now and is very passionate about his job. He is one of the guys that does what he loves for us the fans, not just the money.

That last bit is disputable in my opinion. Anything going on in a wrestler's mind, even that which is said publicly, can be very unclear and often is. It's also very open to embellishing. Even though Triple H knows how to - and does - work the crowd, it doesn't necessarily mean he loves the fans. Besides, there are reports of his ridiculously large salary...

 

[Pierce-7]

Triple H i respect, but obviously hes different in the locker room.

I couldn't believe what i read about him annoying the rest of the locker room. i always thought he was one of the best and one of the most respected wrestlers.

 

[Jonny B]

Triple H i respect, but obviously hes different in the locker room.

I couldn't believe what i read about him annoying the rest of the locker room. i always thought he was one of the best and one of the most respected wrestlers.

This right here is exactly my problem. Some loser reports this shit on a wrestling website without any such source (they never name any sources) and people take it as gospel. Apparently as long as you write something on a website where a lot of people will read it, it's instantly true.

 

[acma18]

He's not my favorite, but i enjoy watching him. He can be pretty funny and does have a good knowledge of the business. He's one of the few that i remember from growing up and watching so that might be part of it. Plus, i don't pretend to know what its like backstage and i don't read into the media reports so it's hard to judge him based off of that. I think a lot of the Vets have backstage pull, not just him.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Yea, I suppose it is quite hypocritical. However, as you said, Angle is the champion so that is somewhat justified, even though it is excessive.



As I said to Jonny, I agree.



So, you're saying that 11 world title reigns isn't giving into temptation? It'd be amazing to see what WWE would be like if Triple H didn't have self-control.



I agree that it has been thrown out of proportion. Underneath it all though, I think there is a lot of truth. Cena merely shielded Triple H, it doesn't make what is said about Triple H untrue necessarily, although it can be grossly exaggerated in my opinion.



That last bit is disputable in my opinion. Anything going on in a wrestler's mind, even that which is said publicly, can be very unclear and often is. It's also very open to embellishing. Even though Triple H knows how to - and does - work the crowd, it doesn't necessarily mean he loves the fans. Besides, there are reports of his ridiculously large salary...

The reason why I said that it is not all about the money for Triple H is because after the MSG Clique incident, Vince flat out told him that he will be a jobber for a long time and that he was free to go to WCW if he wanted to. That right there says that HHH doesn't care too much for the money because he would have no doubt been paid more if he was working for Ted Turner and would have left the WWF/E. This was way before Steph was in the picture so he had no "special powers" back then.

The reason why I said that Triple H cares about the fans is because out of all the negative things that has been said about him, the one thing positive that I have read a couple times is that he is nice to the fans, especially during autogragh signing sessions, he don't tend to be an asshole like some other wrestlers. A security guard for the WWE superstars said that Trips was the best when it comes to signing autographs for the fans, whether that is true or not, the people who believes the negative reports should also believe the positive ones as well.

 

[Freedom 35]

Ive always been a huge Triple H fan since the day I started watching wrestling.

IMO personally Ive always preffered his heel work and think that right now hes quite boing. his current promos tend to bore me to tears and when he tries to add comedy into them it always ends up as a John Cena immature fart joke, with that being said his heel cerebral assasin promos I cant get enough of hes pure energy and pure quality on the mic as a heel. His ring work is great and like whats been said I dont buy the small moveset argument because first off its whats wanted from him and is what hes supposed to do and second of all he has a much larger moveset than people give him credit for.

I love what people have said about the politics part and its been something Ive been thinking of for a while now, just because some anonymous insider says he buries people and people take it as a pure fact and love to talk about it doesnt mean shit. Triple H did not bury Booker what sense would it make if Booker got the best of him in that feud, absolutely none. Triple H is just a smart buisness man and if he pushes himself over some people so what, he brings in alot of money and is great in the spot so theres no way its not completely justified

that is all

 

[blackhart07]

How can you not believe the stuff he pulls in the locker room.
-This is the same guy who dosnt put anyone over.
-Has been at the top of the company since mid 1997, not just been on top of the company, has been in the title run.
-Married to the boss's daughter.
-Him and his little "boy toy" HBK act like a bunch of 7 year olds by not putting anyone over.
-He was a big part of screwing Bret Hart, if you dont believe me watch the HBK dvd.
-His ring skills are no where near what they were now, hes average at best.
-This is just my opinion though but hes boring as hell. Same stuff when it comes to him.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Alright GOSH DAMN IT...

1. "he doesnt put anyone over"
WHAT??? HOW in the WORLD can anyone say that??? How about putting people over at the biggest show in the sport??? Jobbing to the fuckin undesereving ULTIMATE WARRIOR at WM 12, Jobbed to Taker at 17, Lost the World Title to Benoit at WM 20, Lost the world title to Batista at 21, and subsequently put him over 3 straight times, and TAPPED to cena at 22!! Put over Hardy in their feud, and Lost to flair the other night. Yea no shit he wins a lot, he is one of the main stars of the fed!!! How many times has cena or batista lost in the last three years??? How many times have the other top guys dropped the belt, or matches, at the most high profile events?? Triple H doesnt ever put anyone over, and Triple H buries everyone is BULLSHIT, and Just another weak ass "well everyone on IWC says it, so it must be true" things to say, Like "cena sucks" and "CM punk iz tha maaaan". Of course he goes over a bunch of guys for a while upon initial return, its called a push after someone returns from injury, and it happens quite often.

2. "He plays backstage politics"
Like Free, and Johnny said.....WHO the FUCK is saying these things??? What "sources" are saying he conducts these "politics"??? Has ANY former wrestlers came out and said this stuff???? Has any of our WZ exclusives guys had anything negative to say about him backstage?? Some "source" says something, and that is automatically what really happened, which is BULLSHIT. Were you there??? Was I there?? NO. So you cant say well THIS HAPPENED, becuase you dont know that.

HOW may sighns did you see in the crowd, and HOW MANY legions of people on THIS VERY FORUM was sayin "save us triple H" and "cant wait til Trips comes back" when the whole hate cena thing was the most en vouge. Goes to show that the vast majority of the IWC only knows how to bitch, and suggest turning someone heel and giving them a manager is the way to fuckin solve everything.

Triple H hating is a fuckin fad, and its bullshit. He is one of the, if not the best guy there is in the Game right now. Period.

 

[justinsayne]

How can you not believe the stuff he pulls in the locker room.

Simple, cause it's not true, until I see sources listed, or witness it first hand, I just find it hard to beleive

-This is the same guy who dosnt put anyone over.

Um...Bullshit, he just put Jeff Hardy over, he's put Randy Orton over, John Cena, Benoit, Stone Cold, The Rock, Batista, and Warrior just to name a few more, if he lost to everybody it wouldn't mean anything and he'd just be a joke...kinda like Santino, or Hacksaw Jim Duggan

-Has been at the top of the company since mid 1997, not just been on top of the company, has been in the title run.

Maybe that's cause he's thatr danm good, they guy has been drawing since '97, why wouldn't he be on top, if your gonna bitch about that, then you mine as well start bitching about guys like Taker, and HBK too, cause they've been on top for even longer

-Married to the boss's daughter.

Yeah So, I still fail to see what this has to do with anything, Triple H was successful before he and Steph were ever together, they guy payed his dues in the business, this just seems like a cheap easy way for all the haters to justify their hate for him, because they can't find any real illegitimate reasons

-Him and his little "boy toy" HBK act like a bunch of 7 year olds by not putting anyone over.

Didn't we go over this already, your just repeating your self now

-He was a big part of screwing Bret Hart, if you dont believe me watch the HBK dvd.

LOL, That is about the most ******ed statement yet, do you have any proof to back this up, and you actuelly take what they say on WWE DVDs seriously, LOL, I suppose you were there, I suppose you witness Triple H's part in the whole Montreal Screwjob

-His ring skills are no where near what they were now, hes average at best.

Same could be said for Hogan, Flair, Cena, Rock, Taker and Foley, but they all still draw (and yes I know Rock doesn't wrestle anymore, but if he were to comeback, he would draw)

-This is just my opinion though but hes boring as hell. Same stuff when it comes to him.

And this is just my opinion, he's not boring, he's one of the best heels of all time, and has had some of the best matches, feuds, and story lines I've seen, Triple H was the guy that got me into wrestling, back in his Cerebral Assassin days there was no one better, Triple H is easily one of my all time favorite wrestlers

 

[blackhart07]

LOL, That is about the most ******ed statement yet, do you have any proof to back this up, and you actuelly take what they say on WWE DVDs seriously, LOL, I suppose you were there, I suppose you witness Triple H's part in the whole Montreal Screwjob
-Ya, im the ****** go watch the DVD, SHAWN says it. HHH was just a part of that as Shawn and Vince were admit it to yourself. Hell HHH had admitted him Vince and Shawn had a meeting prior to Survivor Series.

-The people you said Hogan, Cena, Flair, if you havnt noticed all there ring skills are complete SHIT. The Undertaker has put out much better matches than HHH, and The Undertaker is older.

And the only reason he put over Jeff was because at WM guess whos gonnea win the title for the 29848 time ooo something new HHH! and we all know thats whats gonnea happen.

You want proof go watch ECW ONS 05 Heyman said it best "John the only reason you got to be champion for a year is because HHH didnt wanna work tuesdays"

You HHH marks keep kissing the ground he walks on. I rather see wrestlers like Mr. Kennnedy, MVP, and CM Punk get a push. I rather see a guy like RVD, Chris Jericho, Edge, Undertaker, be at the top. But what do i know im just a "HHH hater"

Also he put over the Warrior wow in his first year in the WWE he put over the Warrior....ya now thats putting someone over.

 

[Kcorthe]

And the only reason he put over Jeff was because at WM guess whos gonnea win the title for the 29848 time ooo something new HHH! and we all know thats whats gonnea happen.

- You realize that this is the exact same thing people said going into WM22, and Backlash 06, and No Mercy 07 (leaving as the champion), etc etc etc. Maybe he will win the title at WM24, but maybe he won't. Why don't you just enjoy the show?

1. "he doesnt put anyone over"
WHAT??? HOW in the WORLD can anyone say that??? How about putting people over at the biggest show in the sport??? Jobbing to the fuckin undesereving ULTIMATE WARRIOR at WM 12, Jobbed to Taker at 17, Lost the World Title to Benoit at WM 20, Lost the world title to Batista at 21, and subsequently put him over 3 straight times, and TAPPED to cena at 22!! Put over Hardy in their feud, and Lost to flair the other night. Yea no shit he wins a lot, he is one of the main stars of the fed!!! How many times has cena or batista lost in the last three years??? How many times have the other top guys dropped the belt, or matches, at the most high profile events?? Triple H doesnt ever put anyone over, and Triple H buries everyone is BULLSHIT, and Just another weak ass "well everyone on IWC says it, so it must be true" things to say, Like "cena sucks" and "CM punk iz tha maaaan". Of course he goes over a bunch of guys for a while upon initial return, its called a push after someone returns from injury, and it happens quite often.

2. "He plays backstage politics"
Like Free, and Johnny said.....WHO the FUCK is saying these things??? What "sources" are saying he conducts these "politics"??? Has ANY former wrestlers came out and said this stuff???? Has any of our WZ exclusives guys had anything negative to say about him backstage?? Some "source" says something, and that is automatically what really happened, which is BULLSHIT. Were you there??? Was I there?? NO. So you cant say well THIS HAPPENED, becuase you dont know that.

HOW may sighns did you see in the crowd, and HOW MANY legions of people on THIS VERY FORUM was sayin "save us triple H" and "cant wait til Trips comes back" when the whole hate cena thing was the most en vouge. Goes to show that the vast majority of the IWC only knows how to bitch, and suggest turning someone heel and giving them a manager is the way to fuckin solve everything.

Triple H hating is a fuckin fad, and its bullshit. He is one of the, if not the best guy there is in the Game right now. Period.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Exactly on the point.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

-Ya, im the ****** go watch the DVD, SHAWN says it. HHH was just a part of that as Shawn and Vince were admit it to yourself.

Yes. And so was Bret Hart. Also we should keep in mind this was BEFORE he was even seeing steph....

-The people you said Hogan, Cena, Flair, if you havnt noticed all there ring skills are complete SHIT. The Undertaker has put out much better matches than HHH, and The Undertaker is older.

You know whats funny, every guy you just named, HHH put ALL of them over. I forgot about him putting over the Older, way past his prime Hogan, once again for the world title. And how you can say that arguably three of the biggest names in the history of the game are all complete shit shows how much you know. He had fantastic matches with all of them, so I guess if your claims of all of them being shit are true, then that Means Trips must be pretty damn good.

And the only reason he put over Jeff was because at WM guess whos gonnea win the title for the 29848 time ooo something new HHH! and we all know thats whats gonnea happen.

Um, yea it will be something new, seeing as how he hasnt been champion since WM 21, besides those few hours he was champ at No Mercy were he...HEY!! PUT OVER RANDY ORTON!! for the title ONCE AGAIN!!...damn another one I forgot....And im not sure what his putting over Jeff has to do with him winning the title at WM at all....and Gee, what an awful travesty for a man who has battled back from TWO potentially carreer ending injuries, and is one of the best and most reliable preformers in the game, to win the title again....

You want proof go watch ECW ONS 05 Heyman said it best "John the only reason you got to be champion for a year is because HHH didnt wanna work tuesdays"

Yes. Thats wonderful concrete proof, since we all know Paul Heyman is the most honest person in wrestling. And that certainley wasnt even possibly a half worked promo on a WWE program, with Heyman working for the WWE.

You HHH marks keep kissing the ground he walks on. I rather see wrestlers like Mr. Kennnedy, MVP, and CM Punk get a push. I rather see a guy like RVD, Chris Jericho, Edge, Undertaker, be at the top. But what do i know im just a "HHH hater"

OK...since RVD is even WITH the company at the moment...and I guess he isnt one of the only guys to take the belt off of Cena...I guess he didnt hold BOTH the ECW AND WWE titles at the same time...I guess they didnt give him a ridiculously huge push, and he didnt fuck it up all himself by getting arrested with unprescribed drugs and Marijuana....I guess CM Punk isnt the ECW champion right now....I guess MVP isnt the out and out obvious Rookie of the year, and the reighning US champion....and Kennedy hasnt gotten any type of push at alllll, what with being put in high profile feuds with the likes of Undertaker, and Shawn Micheals....YEA, NONE of those guys got pushes did they???...And I guess Chris Jericho didnt JUST HAVE a WWE title match after an enormously hyped return...And I guess Edge isnt the current WHC, and in a feud with Undertaker, who he will most probably defend the World Title against in the main event of Wrestlemania....Im not sure how much more at the top they can be really...

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Um...Bullshit, he just put Jeff Hardy over, he's put Randy Orton over, John Cena, Benoit, Stone Cold, The Rock, Batista, and Warrior just to name a few more, if he lost to everybody it wouldn't mean anything and he'd just be a joke...kinda like Santino, or Hacksaw Jim Duggan

He didn't put over Stone Cold & The Rock in that respect. He lost to them because they were the bigger stars. And when he was a big enough star they returned the favour.

He should have put of The Warrior. Even with 4 years away from WWE in 1996 he was by far the bigger star.

Batista is his friend.

He made Cena look like shit before he put him over at Wrestle Mania 22. You don't admit that your champ isn't a good wrestler, you certainly don't have your champ agree.

He put Randy Orton over after he defeated him earlier in the night. Orton had to have a gimmick match to defeat the mighty Triple H.

Sure he put over Jeff Hardy. But it was made out as if it was a fluke. Which is fine I guess. For HHH.

He put Benoit over. But who was main eventing PPV's during his title reign.

LOL, That is about the most ******ed statement yet, do you have any proof to back this up, and you actuelly take what they say on WWE DVDs seriously, LOL, I suppose you were there, I suppose you witness Triple H's part in the whole Montreal Screwjob

He's admited to it.

 

[blackhart07]

And to add on this past Monday. He wouldnt even put over Ric Flair cleanly in his hometown. It was probally going to be his last match in NC why cant Flair make HHH tap? No, instead Flair wins on a BS DQ. I thought Flair was some kind of father figure to HHH? But HHH cant put him over in his last match in his hometown?

And thank you Y 2 Jake for making point that HHH has admitted to being part of the screw job. And if you watch the HBK dvd they make point of it that HHH was the one to say to Vince "no he dosnt want to be a team player lets screw him" Thats real classy huh? a young up and comer like HHH who was in the WWE for just 2 years before that point to be involved to screw a true legend like Bret Hart.

 

[Jonny B]

I would like someone to come into this Thread and name someone that Triple H has completely buried. I don't mean just beaten, but someone who he has taken the momentum out of so much that it has or almost has destroyed his career. I don't think there is anyone, plenty of people will come in here and argue Kane and RVD in 2003 but anyone who thinks they were legitimate title contenders are fucking insane.

Also why don't you go and add Shelton Benjamin and Goldberg to the Triple H putting over list. Sure over the last few months Triple H has been booked like a bit of a god, but with the absence of John Cena the WWE seem to want to have a top face like that and the WWE have obviously turned to their next biggest star in that respect. I don't think Triple H can be blamed for the WWE's style of booking thats just ******ed.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I would like someone to come into this Thread and name someone that Triple H has completely buried. I don't mean just beaten, but someone who he has taken the momentum out of so much that it has or almost has destroyed his career. I don't think there is anyone, plenty of people will come in here and argue Kane and RVD in 2003 but anyone who thinks they were legitimate title contenders are fucking insane.

Well, I can't. Simply because the definition of "burying" your supplied is a bit iffy in my eyes. Triple H has repeatedly lowered people's status within the company, sometimes dramatically. Otherwise he'll merely confirm their minority. Case in point, Paul London and Brian Kendrick. WWE's premier tag team. After a match on Raw (fairly) recently, I forget which, Triple H completely destroyed them despite him being a face and despite them being championship caliber and there being two of them. I don't think they could have looked more like jobbers.

Also why don't you go and add Shelton Benjamin and Goldberg to the Triple H putting over list. Sure over the last few months Triple H has been booked like a bit of a god, but with the absence of John Cena the WWE seem to want to have a top face like that and the WWE have obviously turned to their next biggest star in that respect. I don't think Triple H can be blamed for the WWE's style of booking thats just ******ed.

Shelton Benjamin never really got over, try as Triple H might, but I guess I'll have to give you that one. However, Goldberg was really on par, just below or above Triple H at the time in terms of star power at the time of his loss, so I don't think that really counts as putting over.

As for how Triple H is being booked, I wouldn't disagree with someone suggesting that it is partially up to him. Shawn Michaels has recently been in a long, intense feud with the heel champion and fought the previous face champion as a massive face. Surely he's qualified to be a lead face? Or what about Y2J? He's off the back of a massive return and a, albeit short-lived, feud with the heel champion. Is he not qualified to be the lead face?

EDIT: Or even, dare I say it, Jeff Hardy, who defeated Triple H to take his spot as no. 1 contender (and, really, no. 1 face).

 

[spinarooni]

The whole point i believe is why rely on Triple H. Why not create chaos amongst all the wrestlers. Start a stable. Shake things up. Triple H in my opinion has run his course. You can see the same thing happen in John Cena being stuffed down our throats. Triple H is very repetitive IMO. He does the same shit over and over again. We need new blood . How do you know who your next breakout star is if you dont shake things up.

 

[steven87gill]

To be honest a few years back i could see the whole politics thing being the case, especially with his snoozefest WHC run from 02-05 where apart from one or two wrestlers, every other guy who beat him had the belt all of a month and then dropped it back, i must admit i like triple h but i got pretty sick of that.
But as has been said on here before since then he's put a hell of a lot of newer guys over so i'd take alot of these reports on his politics these days with a pinch of salt.

 

[Michael]

If Triple H holds down talent how do you explain him putting over Shelton, Benoit, Cena, Jeff Hardy, Batistia, Orton, Kane in 2001 and Angle in 2001? That's eight guys he helped elevate in the eight years he's been a main-eventer, should we not give him credit for that, I would love to compare that to guys like Austin or Rock who seem to get a free pass.

Or should we judge him on not passing the torch to a near 40 year old Booker T, or RVD who when he did get his chance publically embarresed the company?

 

[figure4]

Triple H isn't that bad. His in-ring work and star status justifies any backstage politics. He is a legend and will likely exceed Ric Flair's 16X World championship record. Maybe his wrestling at no Mercy 3 times and the bs ending to the Hardy match at Armageddon was a little much, but you can't deny that he is one of WWE's best and will be for a while.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

If Triple H holds down talent how do you explain him putting over Shelton, Benoit, Cena, Jeff Hardy, Batistia, Orton, Kane in 2001 and Angle in 2001? That's eight guys he helped elevate in the eight years he's been a main-eventer, should we not give him credit for that, I would love to compare that to guys like Austin or Rock who seem to get a free pass.

You mean Kane in 2002? How in fact did he elevate him?

You mean Kurt Angle who was already a star in 2001? How in fact did he elevate him?

Benoit? You mean a wrestler who carried HHH to his best match since he injured himself in 2001?

Shelton Benjamin? You mean the guy who won him as a fluke? Similar to waht happened with him and Jeff Hardy. Didn't he squash shelton Benjamin when he returned from his injury in the summer?

Batista = Friend. He's also in his 40's. He's not a young wrestler or even a good wrestler. What are the chances of Batista ever becoming more popular than HHH?

Orton? In what year? 2004? Where he defeated him after a one month title reigns. Or 2007? Where he defeated himafter a 20 minute title reign?

I've already explained Cena.

Or should we judge him on not passing the torch to a near 40 year old Booker T, or RVD who when he did get his chance publically embarresed the company?

Booker T should have won the title at WM 19. Why didn't he? Wrestling storyline ligic says he should have won. And how long did HHH leave it from the time he hit the pedigree until he pinned him?

RVD was ready for a title run in 2002. Triple H put a stop to that. Where was he in 2003? Mid card. You can say that RVD embarresed the company. I doubt McMahon was too bothered. It was free publicity.

 

[Milos79]

I really don't like him.He is ass licker,the worst men in the locker room and completely asshole.Couple weeks ago he had problems with Jericho.Anyway what news wrote that only people who support him are HBK i Randy Orton.Nobody likes him and that is the fact.

 

[Michael]

You mean Kane in 2002? How in fact did he elevate him?

No i mean 2001, which is why I stated 2001, you know the time Kane pinned Triple H for the IC title, making Kane more popular than he ever was, only for Kane to fail substaining it.

You mean Kurt Angle who was already a star in 2001? How in fact did he elevate him?

Okay Kurt was already a star in 2001 you got me, Angle went from mid card to a star 2000 after he fueded with Triple H, oh shit, that's how he elvated him. Because this may shock you but you can get someone over with having to job to him, Angle got over as a major heel because of the Triangle with Steph and Triple H in 2000. Kind of how Jericho got over as a major face in 2000 thanks to Triple H as well.

Benoit? You mean a wrestler who carried HHH to his best match since he injured himself in 2001?

Couldn't find an out for this could you? Triple H tapped to him at Wrestlemania 20 in MSG and instead of syaing "Hey you got a point" you posted something that has no bearing on the discussion.

Shelton Benjamin? You mean the guy who won him as a fluke? Similar to waht happened with him and Jeff Hardy. Didn't he squash shelton Benjamin when he returned from his injury in the summer?

Yeah that Shelton Benjamin, the guy that went from getting no reaction to being massively over in one night thanks to Triple H. Then got more over the week later after he beat Triple H again.
As for Hardy, it's kind of funny that you consider that a fluke, why is that? Because it was a roll up pin? I'm only asking because a few posts ago you protraying Triple H's victory over Orton at No Mercy as decisive when that was a roll up finish as well.
Didn't everybody squash Shelton last summer, because it sure as well seemed that way. Why do you only call Triple H on it?Why does Rory from the Highlanders get a free pass?

Batista = Friend. He's also in his 40's. He's not a young wrestler or even a good wrestler. What are the chances of Batista ever becoming more popular than HHH?

And what does he being his friend have to do with anything? Nobody gives Bret Hart shit for putting Austin over in 1997 when they were friends. Oh because again you can't say you have a point, so you bring something that doesn't matter into the discussion.

Orton? In what year? 2004? Where he defeated him after a one month title reigns. Or 2007? Where he defeated himafter a 20 minute title reign?

I'm talking about the time that Orton beat Triple H so bad that he couldn't answer a ten count. Do you remember that? It shouldn't be hard to forget it's the reason Orton is carrying that Gold bling a round. interesting fact, Raw's Royal Rumble main-event, features two wrestlers that Triple H has put over in the five months since his comeback.

I've already explained Cena.

Care to explain it again? Cause Cena was getting no respect from the fans, they didn't think he could wrestle. So Triple H became the fans voice, said to Cena what all the fans wanted to say. Then he beat him and Triple H came out shook his hand and said, "I was wrong about you." Then he beat Triple H again. And since then a lot of smarks have warmed to Cena.

Interesting fact at Backlash that year Triple H was pinned in a triple threat with Cena and Edge. he didn't have to be pinned because Edge could have took the pin, so why didn't that happen? Oh i know the main summer fued that year was going to Cena and Edge, so Triple H was pinned to keep both looking strong, helping the business as a whole.

Booker T should have won the title at WM 19. Why didn't he? Wrestling storyline ligic says he should have won.

I see your point. You sign Goldberg with the plan to make him a babyface World Champion. You have two options in regards to who he would beat for that belt. A) You have a babyface, B) You have one of the biggest heels ever. Option A is obviously the logical one.

And how long did HHH leave it from the time he hit the pedigree until he pinned him?

I know, I couldn't believe it, for years I'd been told that Triple H was the best in the business and one of the tougest bastards as well. Booker T must have took him to the limit if it took him that long to make the cover.

RVD was ready for a title run in 2002. Triple H put a stop to that. Where was he in 2003? Mid card.

Shawn Michaels was ready for the title in 1995, but Kevin Nash put a stop to that, Austin was ready for the title in 1997 but Undertaker put a stop to that. Interesting thing to note about that was that the year later both guys were still viewed as main-eventers and in fact won the title. One major loss didn't wreck their main-event status, so why did it to RVD, who wasn't even beat clean? Maybe it's because RVD wasn't ready for the title.

Oh and since you like to talk about logic answer me this, The WCW Title had lost all meaning because it had changed hands so much during the dying days of WCW, so when you bring that belt back and want to bring legitmacy back to it logic dictates that you do two things, 1) Give it to your biggest star, 2) Don't have the belt change hands in it's first big match.

You can say that RVD embarresed the company. I doubt McMahon was too bothered. It was free publicity.

McMahon probably didn't care much you're right, I mean it's not like he had RVD drop the WWE Title on Monday, the ECW Title on Tuesday, Suspended him on Wednesday and buried him for months after, oh wait...

I'm still waiting on why guys like Austin and Rock get away on not putting anywhere near as many guys over as Triple H.