NFL Week 1

[klunderbunker]

I'm still not sold. I'll take big numbers with titles over huge numbers without it, but that's just me.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Either the Jets are this good or the Texans are this bad. Either way, this fucking sucks.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Marino wasn't a winner.

You can have the "better" QB. I'll take the one that wins.

 

[klunderbunker]

On paper so far Sanchez looks great. Granted, it's against the Texans.

 

[X]

Marino wasn't a winner.

You can have the "better" QB. I'll take the one that wins.

So you'd take Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino?

Come on now...

 

[NSL]

"...deep, wide receiving corps."

Say that out loud, and tell me you didn't get a little turned on. That's how the dumbass announcer just described the Eagles WRs...

 

[NSL]

So you'd take Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino?

Come on now...

How about Hostettler? He won a ring.

If you want to get really technical, Charlie Batch has a ring, and so does Elvis Grbac...

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm still not sold. I'll take big numbers with titles over huge numbers without it, but that's just me.

Well, that's just silly.

In 1998, the Broncos ran 1041 plays. Elway passed a total of 356 times, barely 1/3 of the plays. The Broncos ran the ball 525 times, over half the offensive plays.

So, Elway's roughly 33% of the offensive plays, and 0% of the 999 defensive plays and 0% special teams on the '98 Superbowl team, means he's better than Marino? Being apart of 17% of what your team does during a Superbowl winning year makes you a better QB?

 

[klunderbunker]

Titles>stats, always for me.

 

[Slyfox696]

Marino wasn't a winner.

You can have the "better" QB. I'll take the one that wins.

Fine. You take Doug Williams in his prime, and I'll take Dan Marino in his.

 

[FromTheSouth]

So you'd take Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino?

Come on now...

OK, way to ignore context. Marino and Elway are comparable.

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer aren't. Furthermore, neither of them were consistent winners over the course of a career.

Going by your numbers theory, Warren Moon is better than Joe Montana.

Come on X, you're smarter than you just showed.

 

[NSL]

Is it just me, or is Delhomme doing his best David Carr impersonation? Bad decisions, sloppy throws, and his jersey is starting to turn green...

 

[FromTheSouth]

Fine. You take Doug Williams in his prime, and I'll take Dan Marino in his.

Then maybe I'll win a Super Bowl.

But, Elway and Marino compare. Williams was in the right place at the right time. That's just stupid to make that comparison.

 

[Slyfox696]

OK, way to ignore context. Marino and Elway are comparable.

But their teams were not. Which is our point.

The teams Marino played on NEVER had someone like Terrell Davis. Hell, in 1985, when they went to the Superbowl the entire TEAM had fewer yards than what Davis did by himself in 1998.

Elway and Marino were comparable...their teams were not. And Marino STILL had better success with inferior teams.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'll agree that neither Elway nor Marino had anything to work with (excluding the two SB wins for this).

Without anything around them, Elway got to two more SBs than Marino. How do you explain that?

 

[NSL]

I don't get the Doug Williams love. Give me any QB and John Riggins, and I'll win you 12 games and a ring...

 

[X]

OK, way to ignore context. Marino and Elway are comparable.

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer aren't. Furthermore, neither of them were consistent winners over the course of a career.

KB was arguing that winning Super Bowls is how you should judge a QB. Dilfer and Johnson both won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino.

Going by your numbers theory, Warren Moon is better than Joe Montana.

How do you figure? I'm simply talking about on-field performance here, which Montana and Moon are incredibly similar in. Moon has a few more TDs, but Montana was far more accurate and had a much better QB rating for his career.

 

[NSL]

McNabb might be hurt bad...Rolling around on the field...

I don't like to cheer an injury, even for a rival...But, this could be very bad for those people picking them for the division...

 

[FromTheSouth]

Marino had a much better receiving corps. That's why his numbers are so much better. The Dolphins never had a thousand yard rusher and the Broncos never had 1,000 yard receivers until the very end of his career. Look at Elways numbers once he got McCaffery and Rod Smith. It took 15 years to get Elway some receivers. Marion had Clayton and Duper for a decade. That's why the stats are so skewed.

Elway was a winner, Marino was a fantasy superstar.

 

[klunderbunker]

KB was arguing that winning Super Bowls is how you should judge a QB. Dilfer and Johnson both won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino.



How do you figure? I'm simply talking about on-field performance here, which Montana and Moon are incredibly similar in. Moon has a few more TDs, but Montana was far more accurate and had a much better QB rating for his career.

For the record, I said that Elway's wins put him over Marino's stats. I'm not saying Elway blows him away. Stats are important, but not as much as wins.

 

[FromTheSouth]

KB was arguing that winning Super Bowls is how you should judge a QB. Dilfer and Johnson both won more Super Bowls than Dan Marino.



How do you figure? I'm simply talking about on-field performance here, which Montana and Moon are incredibly similar in. Moon has a few more TDs, but Montana was far more accurate and had a much better QB rating for his career.

You quoted my post. I am talking about the five Super Bowls that Elway went to. It shows that he consistently won without much help from wideouts.

 

[X]

Dear lord if Michael Vick becomes the starter for the Eagles...I'll laugh my head off.

 

[klunderbunker]

So will I. I'd be very happy.

 

[jmt225]

I'd take Elway over any quarterback in the history of the league. The only people who come close, in my mind, to being as great as he was are Marino, Brady, Peyton, and Aikman. But yes... I am of the opinion that John Elway is the greatest quarterback to ever exist.

Oh, and Favre rules, too. I'm happy he's back in the league myself.

Anyway, the Saints are already establishing themselves once again as the highest scoring team in the NFL. Now only if our defense was worth a shit....

 

[jmt225]

Dear lord if Michael Vick becomes the starter for the Eagles...I'll laugh my head off.

I hope so. Fuck McNabb.