Originally Posted by grantedisme Yes, we've acknowledged the fact that you think anyone who thinks anything different from you is somehow "delusional". Fortunately, most fans are more open-minded than you.
Wrong, we have acknowledged the fact that I believe those few Cena fans that have ridiculous points of view on this feud is delusional. Unfortunately you can't seem to comprehend my point of view, all you did is just look at my name & seen my signature & jumped right into defend Cena mode.
Doesn't the fact that "some fans think that Cena is hanging with The Rock" serve as evidence that he is, in fact, hanging with The Rock right now?
It can be, but fans thick he can hang w/The Rock cause he is just that good or because Rock is losing it on the mic. See I don't agree w/those reasons behind why some fans think Cena is hanging w/Rock. I believe he is holding his own, but that's only because he is going about his interaction w/Rock differently then before, not because all of a sudden he just got god like on the mic.
I wasn't aware that there was a different indication of success on the mic than fans thinking that you're good.
I think John is good on the mic just not better then Rock. I also don't believe he has been owning The Rock for a whole year on the mic. Some can disagree w/me & that's fine that's why we have these discussions on this website to see each others point of view.
That's like saying that The Rock is only insulting Cena because he has no other choice. The Rock can't make a good promo for himself without bashing the other guy with a flurry of off-the-wall insults. That's what made him popular, and it's all he can do. We can agree that is fine, since that's his character. You seem to think that Cena is at fault for staying with his character, which is to be the bigger man than his opponent. That's what he did against CM Punk, Kane, and now The Rock. It's stupid to criticize every wrestler for not being the exact same as The Rock, which you seem to be doing with Cena.
No it's not Rock is insulting Cena because he can, not because he has to. Rock has done promos that didn't have off the wall insults so you saying he can't do promos w/out insults is a lie. The problem is Cena hasn't stayed in character throughout this feud. Was he being the better man when he was trashing Rock's career choice's, was he being the better man when he was doing those raps, was he being the better man when him & Rock had there face to face after Wrestlemania? It is stupid to criticize every wrestler for not being the exact same as The Rock, hell it stupid to do that to any superstar, but answer me this when did I criticize any wrestler for not being like the Rock. All I stated was that John doesn't want to go word for word w/Rock cause he isn't strong enough on the mic to do so. Where did I say him & all the other wrestlers needs to be exactly like Rock.
No, I don't agree that professional wrestling is a competitive sport. Professional wrestling is a story of a bunch of guys competing for a title, fame, and to entertain fans. Even if I did consider wrestling to be a sport, most professional sports frown upon a guy promoting a match or game by trashing his opponent with a microphone with Muhammad Ali being the only notable exception I can think of, and The Rock is no Ali.
You just said you didn't agree that wrestling is a competitive sport then turn around & said the guys involved in wrestling are competing. You also said you didn't agree that wrestling is a sport, so why do they call it sports entertainment? Maybe you didn't understand what I meant I will reword what I said, do you agree that professional wrestling is a competitive business where guys trash talk each other for our entertainment?
You seem to be set on the idea that Cena can't insult The Rock. I already argued that it's not in his character to blatantly insult other stars right now. Despite that, he has managed to insult The Rock in a way that no other star ever has. He is shrugging off everything The Rock says as lame and immature, and The Rock has no way to respond to that, because all of his insults are lame and immature
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I'm set on the fact that John doesn't insult The Rock directly because he knows the outcome of such a situation. You also fail to realize that John hasn't stayed in his character throughout this whole feud. The Rock respond to John w/3 history lesson that entertained & he respond by telling John what he seen in his eyes & why he saw what he did.
As a result of what Cena is doing, The Rock has to compose himself between every other sentence while using the guise of chants (if you listen most of the time, the chants only start after he pauses), since he doesn't know what to say next. Again, it is not in Cena's current character to go blow-for-blow against any opponent. He didn't make fun of CM Punk's tattoos and small-time Indy work, he didn't make fun of Kane's mask, and since the feud has started back up, he hasn't made fun of The Rock's choices in movie roles.
I agree Cena taking the high road is something The Rock has never had to deal w/before that's why I said Cena is taking the high road not because he is above trash talking but because it's a different approach on how to handled The Rock on the mic. It's smart because John can't one up Rock no other way his mic skills are not good enough just to go out in the middle of the ring & have a war of words. The Rock stops talking because most of the time the fans cut him off by chanting, w/this past Raw being one of the few times he pause on his own. In the beginning of this feud John tried to go down the path that others have went when it comes to mic wars w/Rock, when he realized he couldn't hang his approach changed.
So you think that Cena is afraid of The Rock outside of the storyline, and you think The Rock shot on Cena by pointing it out during the promo? ...Examples like this show that you would be anti-Cena despite anything that either of them did. Can you define bias for me?
What are you talking about I think John knows that he is incapable of one upping The Rock word for word in a promo battle so he play it safe. I don't think John is scared of the Rock in real life.
Did you even read the part of my post that you quoted beyond the first six words? During that excerpt, I didn't mention Cena kissing up to The Rock or avoid criticism. In fact, Cena didn't even do half the things you're talking about. Cena said that he used to be a fan of The Rock, and he wants to beat the version of Rocky that he was a fan of. How is that kissing up? The Rock's criticism is that "Cena looks stupid", "Cena's merch looks stupid", and "Cena would have lost the revolutionary war for America" (and yet you criticize Cena for saying things that have nothing to do with Mania). Cena responded to that by implying that those criticisms are stupid and have nothing to do with anything.
True John did say he wanted to face Rock that he grow up w/loving, but just last week he said that come Mania he was going to be looking in the eyes of DJ, cause he didn't like DJ. Most of this feud John has been talking about DJ, then all of a sudden he wants The Rock. Don't you see John is just dancing around w/his words saying anything that may sound good to the few fans he got? During this feud John has come out many times & stated how great The Rock was & blah blah blah that's what I mean by him kissing up to Rock. You know what I'm talking about cause you clearly have been keeping up w/this feud. Rock's just doesn't criticize Cena on his looks he also criticized him on his inability to connect w/majority of the fans, how stale he is, how he hasn't risen the bar as for as the product, how he is a lair & a phony. Cena never talks about these things he just talks about The Rock's jokes.
And again, yes, I understand that you think that Cena not being a clone of The Rock is a weakness. We also understand that you think you're not biased.
No you don't understand, cause I never said John was weak because he doesn't wear sunglasses, 800 dollar shirts, & slacks or has tattoos on his arms. I never said he was weak because he doesn't give his penis a nickname. No we understand that you came to the conclusion that I was bias based on my name & signature. I have never came on here & said The Rock was perfect & untouchable so stop trying to call me bias to strengthen your argument.
So are you suggesting that Cena hasn't outdone The Rock in a promo, or are you saying that The Rock is letting Cena outdo him? Because those are two completely different things, and I'm pretty sure that blatantly just claimed both.
No I'm not saying Cena hasn't gotten The Rock in a promo I'm saying overall Cena hasn't own The Rock.
Look, I understand that you like The Rock more than Cena. I even understand that you are going to dislike Cena in this feud despite anything that happens on either side or any other information you get from any source. You have the freedom to cover your eyes and ears all you want (due to The Rock building a time machine, going to the past, and winning our revolutionary war against the British Empire, apparently). That being said, don't try to pretend that you're not just as biased as you claim Cena fans to be, or at least try not to act surprised if someone calls you out in it.
I'm not bias toward The Rock, I'm I a fan, hell yeah but that doesn't mean I'm coming on here just dogging Cena just for the hell of it. I don't hate Cena, or anything like that I just pointed out why I feel John is responding to the Rock the way he has these last two Raws.
He hasn't entertained the crowd for a year. He has entertained the crowd for maybe 3 or 4 weeks of the year. You can't say the same about Cena, because you didn't see how well he would have performed in a different era with less restrictions. In fact, you could probably argue the opposite if you heard how crazy everyone was about him during the thugonomics phase early in his career. On the other hand, we have seen how The Rock performs in the PG era. The greatest praise he gets right now is about how he commands the crowd. Do you honestly think that the crowd would be chanting "Rocky", "Boots to asses", "and millions", "finally", or any other random catch phrases if The Rock started a year ago? Do you honestly think that The Rock could command anyone's attention in this era if he didn't get 20 minute promos every time he stepped foot in the ring or four promos that last about five minutes each?
Like I said The Rock's mic work & his in ring return has been enough reasons for fans to cheer him on. You can't say how The Rock would turn out if he was new to the business in this era because he isn't new to the business, there's no way of knowing how he would do or how Cena would do in a different era. Ww could discuss this topic tell our fingers hurt but there's no way of really knowing because we can't create such a situation to find out.
It helped you to stop mentioning The Rock doing things to Cena's ass for an entire post. Since I realized that nothing that I say will ever register as legitimate in your opinion as long as I disagree with you (since you pretty much started your opinion with "anyone who disagrees with me is delusional"), that's the best I could hope for. I'd call that a mission success.
Why are you making up stuff I never said that if you just flat out disagree w/me then you are delusional, seems to me you realized that you where wrong so instead of saying that you came back & put words in my mouth & called me bias to try & make your point of view more valid.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's an awesome program, and I look forward to seeing more! I should probably stop responding to Hollywood to avoid getting myself (and apparently him) riled up.
You don't have to stop responding to me cause I don't take this shit that serious. Wrestling isn't my whole life it just one form of entertainment that I enjoy.
]. The Rock is only in the WWE for Wrestlemania which is why I didn't go on a long rant about him never evolving like I did with Cena. Once Wrestlemania 28 is over, I highly doubt Rocky will even stay past a month after. However, John Cena will be on WWE programming until he retires or dies or whatever. You get my point. Cena will be in WWE and will not change and that needs to change in order to keep fans interested in the product. If you cannot admit that you are either in very serious denial or are a hardcore Cena mark. Either way, the truth is painfully obvious and if you don't see it it's because you don't want to.......
