**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[RJJ]

I don't know if it's just me, but Cena has been handing the Rock his candy ass two weeks in a row now. Maybe the Rock is out of practice, or maybe Cena is just better, but Cena has come out of these war of words looking amazing.

When the Rock first showed up it was great. I was having flash backs to the old Attitude days and loving every minute of it. But now that he's been showing up more, hes just getting repetitive. Cena on the other hand has been doing a great job, and keeping his rants fresh. Cena right now is coming up with more fresh insults about himself that the Rock is. Cena is saying all the right things right now; and seems to be saying things to, and about, the Rock that I at home am thinking.

I love how a "Tooth-fairy" chant started yesterday. It makes me think that the audience is starting to see the flaws in the Rock. They are seeing that he may not be as good as he use to be. I know they were in Cena's home town, so I'd like to see how it goes next week; but I think Cena's been looking 100 times better that the Rock leading to Wrestalmania.

I don't know, maybe the Rock is doing it on purpose, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to do that.

You damn right he's doing it on purpose, and trust me on this one, he's that kind of a guy. Rock is known for putting over other wrestlers. He's done it before and he's doing it again.

To be honest, I LMAO when the "Tooth Fairy" chant started, but again that won't change the fact that Rock was getting more cheers than Cena in his HOMETOWN. P.S, Rock is clearly the winner of this week verbal battle. No catchphrase no BS, he got straight to the point.

 

[xavyer]

EGfan definitly has a point, the IWC is always looking for something to hate, mostly Cena, really, get over it, i think people refuse the fact that the Rock is loosing it, and by that i mean what he used to have,and that's the fact that people used to like him more, at least Cena's promos make sence, he uses regular and normal phrases while the Rock says stupid things and kids catch phrases, something like: Cena looks like a box of fruity pebbles, and people cheer for that? Or maybe it's just me the one that thinks that, who knows, but anyway, i think that Cena is winning the famous war of words......

 

[RJJ]

Well, at least he didn't quote Wikipedia...

John Cena has consistently outworked Dwayne Johnson on the microphone, and it's really for a simple reason. Dwayne Johnson isn't the Rock anymore. He is Dwayne Johnson, merely playing the Rock. He forgot how to BE the Rock, so now he can only act at it. What once was a part of his very being, is now just another role to be played. This "Rock" has been a very poor imitation. Every time they confront each other face to face, Cena does something that subtly disrespects him, it's fun to watch. Last night, it was over smiling, it was playing to the crowd, it was refusing to give Dwayne his full attention. Dwayne claims he sees fear in Cena's eyes...well, that's true. Because if you look directly into someone's eyes, what do you see? Your own reflection. Cena flat out punked him out last week, made him look like an idiot, and Dwayne has no clue how to recover from it. He has never faced anyone that could own him on the microphone before, and Cena is doing it. Routinely.

I say this is a former Rock fan. I remember the Rock from the Attitude Era, I loved the Rock from the Attitude Era. This guy isn't him.

"John Cena has consistently outworked Dwayne Johnson on the microphone, and it's really for a simple reason"

Just like Rock did to Hogan verbally(and physically for that matter) 10yrs ago(He tore his ass down lol). It's called putting over the younger talent.


"Dwayne Johnson isn't the Rock anymore. He is Dwayne Johnson, merely playing the Rock. He forgot how to BE the Rock, so now he can only act at it. What once was a part of his very being, is now just another role to be played. This "Rock" has been a very poor imitation. Every time they confront each other face to face, Cena does something that subtly disrespects him, it's fun to watch."

It's more like a PG version of Rock. Blame vince on that one..


"Cena flat out punked him out last week, made him look like an idiot, and Dwayne has no clue how to recover from it. He has never faced anyone that could own him on the microphone before, and Cena is doing it. Routinely."


LMAO!! More like he never faced anyone needs that much help to get over with the crowd. Rock proved how easy he could bury wrestlers verbally the moment he get the green light. Cena is no better than Austin, Foley, HHH, Jericho, the only difference is he got creative protection to save his ass. Oh and by the way, Cena did say that Rock is the MJ of the mic, last night.


"Last night, it was over smiling, it was playing to the crowd, it was refusing to give Dwayne his full attention. Dwayne claims he sees fear in Cena's eyes...well, that's true. Because if you look directly into someone's eyes, what do you see? Your own reflection."

LOL why you're so happy?! That just shows how bad his story telling skills really are. Instead of selling the verbal beat down, he was making those goofy ass faces like an idiot. That makes HIM look bad.


"I say this is a former Rock fan. I remember the Rock from the Attitude Era, I loved the Rock from the Attitude Era. This guy isn't him."

LMAO!! So you're jumping off the Cena bandwagon now?! Alright

 

[jrichardson25]

Yeah, he has felt less forced as of late. He's working wonders on the mic. If he's allowed to continue this way it would be a step in the right direction. To reiterate, I feel like he's himself more, not robotic, not forced, very natural and the Boston accent as people call it came out a bit last night. That needs to stay. Makes him more authentic. Just my thought.

 

[nitefightr69]

I know it will probably not happen, but how HUGE of a shock would it be if John Cena flipped straight heel at WM28 ala Hogan joining the NWO? Maybe the only way for Cena to win is him using a chair or some other deviously heel way to beat the Rock? Imagine the fire this would light in the wrestling community, and the possible publicity for wrestling as a whole!

 

[ilapierre]

I'd argue that the OP is right. John Cena doesn't need to turn heel to change his character. I'd argue that by being a babyface to kids John Cena plays a heel persona for older kids and adults that don't like him. By being one of the carbon copy heels like Cody Rhodes or The Miz, Cena loses all credibility. But by being a guy some people love and some people hate is a great character that doesn't need any tweaking. Turning him won't work because he is not universally loved or hated. I argue with some of you here who think Cena has only won the battle words one or two times lately. As much as I love the Rock, Cena is holding his own. Not many wrestlers in the history of wrestling have held their own on the mic with The Rock. So by holding his own, that's saying something. I've been impressed with Cena, I was a self-professed Cena hater for so long. I find that The Rock's program is elevating John Cena in my eyes. Cena is forced to up his game with real competition. Another thing I find is that Punk's promos are a lot weaker than Cena's lately. Cena has upped his game, the guy is ultra competitive and is only as good as the quality workers around him. Now that Jericho has come back, Punk is big, Rock is back, Cena isn't the only main guy. I like that. I can't stand it always being about Super Cena. But Cena's got an attitude now, he's acting real and not like some phony Miz-like heel or like some douche bag fan favourite rapper. WWE has done a great job hyping up Wrestlemania. They brought back a real entertainer in Chris Jericho to help elevate CM Punk. They've brought Rock back to elevate Cena. Kane to go with Randy Orton, Big Show vs Zack Ryder (i think that's a match)..Don't get Taker vs Triple H #3 besides the fact that Triple H has to involve himself with other interesting personalities in order to hide the fact he's not that entertaining. WWE makes sense when the real stars are there helping along the guys who are almost there. Although I prefer The Rock by a mile over Cena, Cena is growing. Who gives a shit if he laughs off The Rock? Some of you posters are dumb asses. I bet some of you would prefer Cena to go out there and act like he's some generic heel like Jack Swagger or Dolph Ziggler and get all mad about something that shouldn't get anyone mad. Laughing off a challenge is a lot more 'real' and 'natural' than acting like some dumbass heel. Cena may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he's a lot better than 99 percent of the roster that shows up every week. I hate the PG era he represents and perhaps a change in his attitude will move things toward a middle ground era somewhere between PG and Attitude. I mean listen to the stuff The Rock is getting away with lately. That's a huge indication things are moving a bit away from the PG crap.

 

[Gav316]

I love how people refer to people as Cena haters,if people dont like him thats there right,the thing is its his own fault hes become so disliked,his character has not evolved over the years and in the process has become stale and boring sorry but thats a fact.

granted Cena has got the better of the rock slightly over the last few weeks,but that is just an attempt by wwe to get at least some of the crowd on his side going into mania,i think its little to late,the Miami crowd will be hot for Rocky,Cena will be in for a rough ride no doubt.

Cena does not know how to do a serious promo unlike Rocky,Cena just comes out trys an attempt at humor and does that stupid smirk,he does not know how to do emotion an thats why people have gotten so sick of him because its just been the same old same old.

 

[ITALIAN NYC]

All I'm going to say is this..

Yes Cena has been alot better the last 2 weeks then hes been in a VERY long time. Hes making some people not look at him as a joke, yet his stupid lil smurks and none caring attitude is ruining the fued imo. He doesnt need to be heel if he acts like this ALL YEAR ROUND.

Heres the facts though, once the fued with the rock is over, Cena is going to go back to doing everything he has always done. He is going to lose the accent that ONLY comes out when the Rock is around, and become the guy shoved down our throats again.

Simple

 

[CultofProWrestling]

As all you know and have read, WWE is trying to make it 50/50 with the crowd response toward Rock and Cena. With Cena being more edgy and having some of the crowd back at his side, the E might be planning a swerve at Wrestlemania. Most of us and myself thought Cena's heel turn was going to come at WM28, and then over the past couple weeks, I've kind of forgotten about that and started to enjoy his promos. Im almost positive that with Cena saying this match means everything to him, he will do ANYTHING to win. Even if that means cheating. This match will not end clean, and will most likely end with Cena standing over the Rock smiling with a enormous amount of boo's.

 

[The Mighty Tiger]

Originally Posted by Davi323
Well, at least he didn't quote Wikipedia...

John Cena has consistently outworked Dwayne Johnson on the microphone, and it's really for a simple reason.

Wow you really believe Cena is consistently outworking The Rock on the mic?
So John looks good against Rock once which was last week & now all of a sudden John is consistently beating Rock on the mic? You are completely over exaggerating the situation.

Dwayne Johnson isn't the Rock anymore. He is Dwayne Johnson, merely playing the Rock. He forgot how to BE the Rock, so now he can only act at it. What once was a part of his very being, is now just another role to be played. This "Rock" has been a very poor imitation.

Again wow, so the reason why you believe Rock is getting consistently outworked is because you believe he doesn't know how to be The Rock anymore Are you serious did you not watch Raw last night, have you not been keeping up/w this year long feud? So that wasn't the real Rock that returned after a 7yr absence & as some ppl put it buried the whole locker room w/his return promo? So that wasn't the real Rock that verbally laid the smackdown on Cena w/those video promos that he could have easy did live if it wasn't for him having a heavy movie career schedule. That wasn't the real Rock that put a boot 2 John Cena's ass not just at Raw(see signature for reference), not just at this past Wrestlemania, but also at this past Survivor Series. So that wasn't the real Rock that did all that. Cena fans sure know how to pull BS from there anus to make there point of view sound good. DJ imitating The Rock, lol that was a good one Davi323.

Every time they confront each other face to face, Cena does something that subtly disrespects him, it's fun to watch. Last night, it was over smiling, it was playing to the crowd, it was refusing to give Dwayne his full attention.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, you Cena fans or so gullible, on the surface it may seem like John can really hang w/The Rock, but a person that can see through BS would be able to tell that John is not in Rock's league when it comes to mic skills. John running around & smiling playing the high ground cause he can't go toe to toe w/The Rock on the mic. The man has to attack The Rock personally just to keep up w/him. Then when Rock comes back & eats his ass up, John just keeps playing it safe by making it seem like Rock's words doesn't bother him cause he knows if he trys to go out guns blazing in a mic war w/Rock he would get his ass chewed up & spit out.

Dwayne claims he sees fear in Cena's eyes...well, that's true. Because if you look directly into someone's eyes, what do you see? Your own reflection.

Rock does see real fear in that boys eyes, John is the 1st & only person that has ever been afraid to go out in the middle of the ring & go word for word w/The Rock. He saw over the years what Rock did to other wrestlers just w/his words, he sees how Rock tears his ass apart in promo after promo & I bet John thinks to himself, what the hell can I say about The Rock after he just said what he said about me. When he can't think of anything he just goes back to he safe zone, he comes out plays like what the Rock says doesn't mean anything then he attacks DJ the man not Rock the character. John can't hang w/The Rock so he talks shit about DJ's career choices pathetic really.

Cena flat out punked him out last week, made him look like an idiot, and Dwayne has no clue how to recover from it.

Really did you not see those history lessons this week, Rock ate John ass up yet again & spit him out cause John taste bad, & what did John do? He did what he always does when Rock makes a fool of him he just plays it safe & makes it seem like sticks & stones can break his bones but words will never hurt him. He better play it safe cause if he ever really tried to make a real come back he would look like a fool.

He has never faced anyone that could own him on the microphone before, and Cena is doing it. Routinely.

Another lie Rock has faced & been got by others that where way better then Cena on the mic & they didn't need to attack Rock personally just to do it. He has been got before & will probably be got again that is the nature of being in a promo war, but Rock has never been routinely owned & Cena sure is hell hasn't done such a thing. He wont be the 1st to do such a thing either, stop the dreaming & wake up.

I say this is a former Rock fan. I remember the Rock from the Attitude Era, I loved the Rock from the Attitude Era. This guy isn't him.

Of course he is not The Rock from the AE, this is not the AE & he hasn't been that Rock in over a decade. Wake the hell up man Rock has evolved & changed but he is still the most electrifying man in sports entertainment.

 

[Headman]

It's still business as usual for John Cena. Reason being, is that while he may be winning the war of words, it's because WWE is trying, in vain to get people to cheer for Cena in Miami at Wrestlemania.

Cena isn't turning heel any time soon, WWE is simply trying to appeal to those that think Cena needs 'an edge'. He's being the same John Cena he has always been, just amping it up a bit more so...especially in the context of being in his hometown last night.

Cena is Cena..I don't think it has changed much, nor do I think it is going to change.

Say it is the WWE's plan to try and get Cena cheered. How is that different from their plans for any babyface? Obviously the WWE tries to put babyfaces in positions that get them cheered. The question is, is it working? I personally think that most of the haters are not capable of changing their minds because they're too invested in hating him. Which is a shame because he's been doing some really good work.

 

[scottyshowman82]

John Cena is a respectful stand up guy, that should earn some amount of respect from wrestling fans based on his work ethic and charity. He's been that guy in the white hat for a long time. The role model for kids. But I'm sure you noticed it as I noticed it this past week on Raw he was very "Thuganomics" John Cena this past Raw. And just the way he talks to the Rock with that cocky smile, and never back down attitude man it reminded me so much of his feud with the Undertaker, back on Smackdown in his early carreer. Cena was super young and hungry and fearless, very in your face and arrogant and I'm sure "that Cena" rushed up from deep beneath below in Cena and came out at the Rock.

I think a lot of people look at Cena and just say "Ya he's a nice guy, that's just the way he is." And he is a nice guy, but there is a part of him I think is exactly like the people that boo him. We all like the Rock because he's cool, he's charismatic and he can whoop ass. He's an ideal role model for most men. He was a role model for me growing up and I'm sure he was a role model for Cena too. "Thuganomics Cena" had a dash of the Rock in him but something happened to John Cena along the way. We wanted that rebel Cena to stay around because he was fun and entertaining and edgy but I think Cena changed when he did the shows for the US Troops and when there was this demand by kids and sick child after sick child gave their make a wish opportunity to spend time with him. It opened his eyes, it humbled him, it made him grow up and become a better man. He may not be the most edgy and entertaining but I think Cena is fine human being.

And that stuff means the world to John know I just know it. The rowdy crowd at ECW One Night Stand did not shake him. The super high pressure situation of Money in the Bank and this past summer with a SUPER DEFINANT CM Punk did not shake him. Roddy Piper couldn't snap it back into it him with another epic Piper's Pit segment and Kane couldn't manipulate him and beat it out him over the past few months. But if anyone has a chance of to bring out back "The Dr. of Thuganomics" out of Cena it's the Rock because I'm certain the Rock's influence helped make that side of Cena.

And that side of Cena has been pushed down, barried and been put in a cage deep down in the depths of John Cena but this past Raw that guy broke out and was rising up. But I think the Marine saluting ,Make a Wish good will of Cena will overcome and I gotta say I respect the man for it. I'm sure "Thuganomics" was more for John but "Good Will" Cena has to be more gratifying.

 

[grantedisme]

Wow you really believe Cena is consistently outworking The Rock on the mic?
So John looks good against Rock once which was last week & now all of a sudden John is consistently beating Rock on the mic? You are completely over exaggerating the situation.

I agree with him. Cena has been outworking The Rock on the mic every since The Rock came back. The Rock's promos aren't bad at all, but Cena's are more entertaining in my opinion. From the rapping promo to the one last night, I have been of the opinion that Cena has gotten the upper hand against Rocky during every vocal exchange for an entire year.

Again wow, so the reason why you believe Rock is getting consistently outworked is because you believe he doesn't know how to be The Rock anymore Are you serious did you not watch Raw last night, have you not been keeping up/w this year long feud? So that wasn't the real Rock that returned after a 7yr absence & as some ppl put it buried the whole locker room w/his return promo? So that wasn't the real Rock that verbally laid the smackdown on Cena w/those video promos that he could have easy did live if it wasn't for him having a heavy movie career schedule. That wasn't the real Rock that put a boot 2 John Cena's ass not just at Raw(see signature for reference), not just at this past Wrestlemania, but also at this past Survivor Series. So that wasn't the real Rock that did all that. Cena fans sure know how to pull BS from there anus to make there point of view sound good. DJ imitating The Rock, lol that was a good one Davi323.

I think this is the real Rock. That just makes it all the more amazing to me that Cena is out-working him on the mic by any small margin.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, you Cena fans or so gullible, on the surface it may seem like John can really hang w/The Rock, but a person that can see through BS would be able to tell that John is not in Rock's league when it comes to mic skills. John running around & smiling playing the high ground cause he can't go toe to toe w/The Rock on the mic. The man has to attack The Rock personally just to keep up w/him. Then when Rock comes back & eats his ass up, John just keeps playing it safe by making it seem like Rock's words doesn't bother him cause he knows if he trys to go out guns blazing in a mic war w/Rock he would get his ass chewed up & spit out.

Cena is playing the high ground, because he has it right now. The Rock is being a childish bully. He is making fun of the way Cena looks, telling Cena to put things up his butt, and nonsensically trying to incorporate his catchphrases into pre-taped promos. Cena is pointing out how immature all of that is by treating The Rock like a child. Whether this is by practice or spontaneous, it seems brilliant to me.

Rock does see real fear in that boys eyes, John is the 1st & only person that has ever been afraid to go out in the middle of the ring & go word for word w/The Rock. He saw over the years what Rock did to other wrestlers just w/his words, he sees how Rock tears his ass apart in promo after promo & I bet John thinks to himself, what the hell can I say about The Rock after he just said what he said about me. When he can't think of anything he just goes back to he safe zone, he comes out plays like what the Rock says doesn't mean anything then he attacks DJ the man not Rock the character. John can't hang w/The Rock so he talks shit about DJ's career choices pathetic really.

I'm not too sure what either of you were trying to prove here. This was part of the promo. I'm sorry that I have to be the one to break this to you, but this part wasn't real. I seriously doubt that either is scared of the other.

Really did you not see those history lessons this week, Rock ate John ass up yet again & spit him out cause John taste bad, & what did John do? He did what he always does when Rock makes a fool of him he just plays it safe & makes it seem like sticks & stones can break his bones but words will never hurt him. He better play it safe cause if he ever really tried to make a real come back he would look like a fool.

So let me get this right, you are suggesting that The Rock, without doubt, made a fool out of him by making fun of his merch (which The Rock has, too, by the way), telling Cena to put things in his butt, comparing himself and Cena to Paul Revere, and forcing catchphrases from 10 years ago into a speech where they didn't really fit? From my view, it looks like Rocky is making himself look foolish. Do you honestly think words like these would realistically "hurt" anyone sober who is out of High School? Cena is going with a realistic route in this feud, and The Rock's promos mock themselves when he does that.

Another lie Rock has faced & been got by others that where way better then Cena on the mic & they didn't need to attack Rock personally just to do it. He has been got before & will probably be got again that is the nature of being in a promo war, but Rock has never been routinely owned & Cena sure is hell hasn't done such a thing. He wont be the 1st to do such a thing either, stop the dreaming & wake up.

Start watching both sides of the promos, buddy. Cena has been getting the upper hand against The Rock for a year. It's gotten to the point where some Rock fans are claiming that The Rock has been letting Cena win by giving him fuel.

Of course he is not The Rock from the AE, this is not the AE & he hasn't been that Rock in over a decade. Wake the hell up man Rock has evolved & changed but he is still the most electrifying man in sports entertainment.

His electricity stands as a nostalgic remanent of his past. Fans cheer him for what he was, not what he is. If The Rock debuted a year ago and said everything he has said in that time frame, I'd wager that most of the crowd would be a good deal quieter. That, and he wouldn't get to cut 4 decently-lengthed pre-taped promos in one night in an effort to make up for a stinker in the previous week.

On a side note, you have a weird fascination with The Rock doing things to Cena's ass, most notably eating it (which would explain the crap that The Rock keeps spewing during his promos ). I don't usually recommend that people look into their subconscious for answers, but I might have to make an exception with you. If you didn't realize this already, talk to someone.

 

[Tired0FthePeople]

You hit it on the head. They always put babys in a position to get cheered. Even if thats what they're doing....its what they do with all babys so far as I can tell.

Cena is doing fantasitc in this role right now. The most interesting person on the show and I have never personally felt that way.

 

[JJ15776]

Can I just add that Boston is not Cena's hometown. It's West Newbury. I don't mean to point that out to be an ass or a Cena hater (far from it). Just actually being from Boston, its a bit annoying when celebs from nearby towns are portrayed from being from Boston when they actually are not. (Big shout out to New Kids and Mark Wahlberg, New Edition and Leonard Nimoy, all who are actually from Boston neighborhoods).

Don't worry about it dude, that happens to every city in the world. How many times did you hear about LeBron being from Cleveland when he was on the Cavaliers? He's from Akron. Not one person from Akron has ever said they're from Cleveland.

You guys really will bitch about anything, in regards to John Cena. He overuses his salute and goodie too shoes character, you guys bash him for that. He overhauls his stale "marine character" and you guys bash him for that. Let the guy do his thing and head into the direction that he wants to go in. There's a reason he's there and you're here, behind a computer screen. He knows what he's doing and knows how to manipulate the fans. The only thing you guys know how to do is find something wrong, create an alternate solution, and when they don't go into the direction that you want, you bash that. It's an endless cycle. Ya bunch of kung pow bitches.

Listen to this man, he speaks the truth.

I was truly blown away when I signed online and saw somebody actually try to claim that Rock was doing better than Cena on the mic. WTF? That's like saying Undertaker-Triple H was better than Undertaker-Shawn Michaels. It's illogical to the point of absurdity. I'm a huge Rock fan, moreso than Cena, but there's no way that Rock has even been on par with Cena over the course of their feud.

I love how people refer to people as Cena haters,if people dont like him thats there right,the thing is its his own fault hes become so disliked,his character has not evolved over the years and in the process has become stale and boring sorry but thats a fact.

granted Cena has got the better of the rock slightly over the last few weeks,but that is just an attempt by wwe to get at least some of the crowd on his side going into mania,i think its little to late,the Miami crowd will be hot for Rocky,Cena will be in for a rough ride no doubt.

Cena does not know how to do a serious promo unlike Rocky,Cena just comes out trys an attempt at humor and does that stupid smirk,he does not know how to do emotion an thats why people have gotten so sick of him because its just been the same old same old.

So do you love how people refer to people as Cena lovers? Do people have the right to like him too? Just curious. But yeah, I'm guessing you haven't been paying much attention if you think he hasn't evolved over the years. He's probably evolved more than any other person in the WWE who hasn't turned face or heel. THAT is a fact. Not to mention the WWE knows what the crowd is going to do at WrestleMania, to suggest they'd tell The Rock to intentionally give worse promos than he's capable of to make Cena look better is pretty laughable.

And again, it sounds like you just haven't been paying attention if you think Cena can't do a serious promo. Hell, just last night, you probably fast forwarded through the promo he did in the empty arena. Not to mention the countless other serious/intense promos he's given over the years.

Anyway, of course letting him do his thing would be better than turning him heel. And not just because turning him heel would be one of the dumbest things they could do. If you turn him heel, you're going to have to let him do his thing anyway, and if you do that then he's going to be a heel that gets cheered instead of a face that gets boo'ed. What's the point of changing him if he do that? Just keep him a face, let him do his thing, and nobody's going to boo him.

Of course, he's probably going to go back to PG Cena once his feud with Rock is over, which will suck, but between turning heel and "doing his thing" as a face, obviously the latter is a much better choice.

 

[bb0i8o8]

Okay If they are giving cena and ofcourse they are giving the rock leway, Is Because if Cena swore which he already has etc, it's only because Vince will not suspend Cena or the Rock. much less fire them before wrestlemania if cena was smart he'd cut an attitude era promo on the rock. vise versa.

 

[mikeyboy]

Ive never been a fan of Cenas in ring work or of his promos , but when you saw him in i
nterviews he seemed like a pretty cool guy , someone youd like to hang with. The man weve seen over the last few weeks has been a lot more entertainiing , i think its because hes been relaxed because hes been himself , i hope he keeps goiing in this direction whether hes face or heel.

 

[triniboy96]

I think Cena has been doing very well the past 2 weeks but i still think he should turn heel because even if he goes into wrestlemainia as a face , he's going to be in the rocks home town and their gonna boo him out the stadium.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

They aren't trying to get him cheered in Miami. If you think that, you're dumber than you think they are. Here's another thing. Heel or face, HE'LL GET BOOED. Here's another thing, Cena, is an iconic character. If you turn him heel, you change the character. That'd be like having Roy Halladay face Babe Ruth....when he played for the Boston Braves. You don't want that, you want the winking, home run calling, murderer's row Yankee Babe.

It's just character evolution and it's a hell of a lot more interesting than turning him TEH HEELZ like the IWC tards like to suggest so often. turning him heel would be predictable and boring.

What's more interesting? A guy you make fun of forever siding with you(which would be if he turned heel), or punching you in the mouth?

 

[The Mighty Tiger]

Originally Posted by grantedisme I agree with him. Cena has been outworking The Rock on the mic every since The Rock came back. The Rock's promos aren't bad at all, but Cena's are more entertaining in my opinion. From the rapping promo to the one last night, I have been of the opinion that Cena has gotten the upper hand against Rocky during every vocal exchange for an entire year.

Your just as delusional as the other poster I responded to if you really believe that John has been getting the upper hand over Rock on the mic for the whole year of this feud. Has he been holding his own, well for someone who is clearing inferior on the mic yeah he has been pretty clever in masking his weakness as of lately.

I think this is the real Rock. That just makes it all the more amazing to me that Cena is out-working him on the mic by any small margin.

Whats amazing is how John has a lot of fans (some of Rock's included) thinking he can really hang w/The Rock on the mic.

Cena is playing the high ground, because he has it right now.

Wrong Cena is playing the high ground cause he has no other choice, if he was to go down the same road as all the other wrestlers before him & try to go word for word in the middle of the ring he knows his weakness on the mic would be exposed. He can't out talk The Rock on the mic head on so he cleverly avoids Rock to save himself from further embarrassment.

The Rock is being a childish bully. He is making fun of the way Cena looks, telling Cena to put things up his butt, and nonsensically trying to incorporate his catchphrases into pre-taped promos. Cena is pointing out how immature all of that is by treating The Rock like a child. Whether this is by practice or spontaneous, it seems brilliant to me.

The Rock is being a bully, look grantedisme don't you agree that wrestling is a competitive sport & that like all competitive sports trash talking just comes w/the territory? Rock isn't being a bully he is responding like any other competitor lock in a feud w/someone. The only reason John is responding to Rock promos in the fashion that he does is because he can't hang w/The Rock when it comes to trash talking so it just easier for him to go out, kiss up to the Rock & say "Rock you electrified like always but stinks & stones can break my bones, but your catchphrases & jokes will never hurt me". He is clearly taking the high road not because he is above trash talking but because he knows that if he was to really go done that path he would be made to look like a fool even more then what he already does just like most of Rock's past opponents.

I'm not too sure what either of you were trying to prove here. This was part of the promo. I'm sorry that I have to be the one to break this to you, but this part wasn't real. I seriously doubt that either is scared of the other.

No shit I'm speaking from a storyline perspective I know how wrestling works I'm not 3 years old.

So let me get this right, you are suggesting that The Rock, without doubt, made a fool out of him by making fun of his merch (which The Rock has, too, by the way), telling Cena to put things in his butt, comparing himself and Cena to Paul Revere, and forcing catchphrases from 10 years ago into a speech where they didn't really fit? From my view, it looks like Rocky is making himself look foolish. Do you honestly think words like these would realistically "hurt" anyone sober who is out of High School? Cena is going with a realistic route in this feud, and The Rock's promos mock themselves when he does that

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So let me get this right, are you suggesting that John Cena has been completely winning the war of words for a whole year by kissing up to The Rock, avoiding Rock's real criticism of him, never really going word for word w/Rock on the mic & attacking Dwayne Johnson career choice's when this has nothing to do w/there match at Mania. Sounds to me like all John is doing is masking his weakness on the mic & showing that he is envy of all The Rock's career success.

Start watching both sides of the promos, buddy. Cena has been getting the upper hand against The Rock for a year. It's gotten to the point where some Rock fans are claiming that The Rock has been letting Cena win by giving him fuel.

You should take your own advice cause John has done no such thing. Rock is a company man so it's not that far fetched that he would give John a few passes just for the sake of the company & there #1 guy.

His electricity stands as a nostalgic remanent of his past. Fans cheer him for what he was, not what he is. If The Rock debuted a year ago and said everything he has said in that time frame, I'd wager that most of the crowd would be a good deal quieter. That, and he wouldn't get to cut 4 decently-lengthed pre-taped promos in one night in an effort to make up for a stinker in the previous week.

The Rock doesn't need nostalgia to get over w/the crowd his year worth of entertaining has done the talking for him. Your statement about if The Rock started a year ago is irrelevant cause I can just as easy say the same thing about Cena starting out when Rock did. I can say well John would never be a main eventer if he started w/Austin, HHH, & The Rock but neither one of us knows that to be true so its was dumb to even bring up such nonsense.

On a side note, you have a weird fascination with The Rock doing things to Cena's ass, most notably eating it (which would explain the crap that The Rock keeps spewing during his promos ). I don't usually recommend that people look into their subconscious for answers, but I might have to make an exception with you. If you didn't realize this already, talk to someone.

Okay you could have also kept this silly comment to yourself also cause it doesn't make your opinion any stronger.

 

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I have noticed too that Cena has looked more comfortable in the promos he cuts on the rock. It reminds me of cena's old gimmick back in the day he was so funny and always had something clever to say. I got tired of his promos before the rock storyline came along. Now he looks way better on screen and i actually want to heart what he has to say!

 

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I love how people refer to people as Cena haters,if people dont like him thats there right,the thing is its his own fault hes become so disliked,his character has not evolved over the years and in the process has become stale and boring sorry but thats a fact.

granted Cena has got the better of the rock slightly over the last few weeks,but that is just an attempt by wwe to get at least some of the crowd on his side going into mania,i think its little to late,the Miami crowd will be hot for Rocky,Cena will be in for a rough ride no doubt.

Cena does not know how to do a serious promo unlike Rocky,Cena just comes out trys an attempt at humor and does that stupid smirk,he does not know how to do emotion an thats why people have gotten so sick of him because its just been the same old same old.

What the FUCK? Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's actually the inverse. Point me to ONE Rock promo that's actually any good that doesn't have dickjokes and catchphrases. all Cena has done is cut serious "real" type promos. I'm not going to call you a hater, but I will say that Cena's recent stuff must be over your head.

Makes sense too. The attitude era fans were white trash as fuck. I mean, look at the show, it was jerry springer/jersey shore. White trash people are dumb.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

You guys might need to cut Hollywood E Rock some slack. I mean, his name has "Rock" in it, he seems to think that Rock is hands down the greatest mic worker ever (not true, it's at least arguable that he isn't and if you watched wrestling before Rock you probably agree with me), and he has Rock in his flippin sig. He's a Rock "homer". It's like Hawk Harrelson calling White Sox games (Hollywood isn't THAT annoying).

I agree with the majority here that the feud has been awesome and that Rock has been great because he is A) the fuckin Rock and is entertaining and B) Cena has been great, he has stepped up his game.

IMO it's sort of like how some great players get complacent. When you're REALLY good at what you do, sometimes it's easy to get in a routine. Cena doesnt' have to do much to draw. Doesn't have to do much to be more over than everyone on the roster. Rock shows up, now he has to be at his best at all times. It's awesome.

 

[grantedisme]

Your just as delusional as the other poster I responded to if you really believe that John has been getting the upper hand over Rock on the mic for the whole year of this feud. Has he been holding his own, well for someone who is clearing inferior on the mic yeah he has been pretty clever in masking his weakness as of lately.

Yes, we've acknowledged the fact that you think anyone who thinks anything different from you is somehow "delusional". Fortunately, most fans are more open-minded than you.

Whats amazing is how John has a lot of fans (some of Rock's included) thinking he can really hang w/The Rock on the mic.

Doesn't the fact that "some fans think that Cena is hanging with The Rock" serve as evidence that he is, in fact, hanging with The Rock right now? I wasn't aware that there was a different indication of success on the mic than fans thinking that you're good.

Wrong Cena is playing the high ground cause he has no other choice, if he was to go down the same road as all the other wrestlers before him & try to go word for word in the middle of the ring he knows his weakness on the mic would be exposed. He can't out talk The Rock on the mic head on so he cleverly avoids Rock to save himself from further embarrassment.

That's like saying that The Rock is only insulting Cena because he has no other choice. The Rock can't make a good promo for himself without bashing the other guy with a flurry of off-the-wall insults. That's what made him popular, and it's all he can do. We can agree that is fine, since that's his character. You seem to think that Cena is at fault for staying with his character, which is to be the bigger man than his opponent. That's what he did against CM Punk, Kane, and now The Rock. It's stupid to criticize every wrestler for not being the exact same as The Rock, which you seem to be doing with Cena.

The Rock is being a bully, look grantedisme don't you agree that wrestling is a competitive sport & that like all competitive sports trash talking just comes w/the territory? Rock isn't being a bully he is responding like any other competitor lock in a feud w/someone. The only reason John is responding to Rock promos in the fashion that he does is because he can't hang w/The Rock when it comes to trash talking so it just easier for him to go out, kiss up to the Rock & say "Rock you electrified like always but stinks & stones can break my bones, but your catchphrases & jokes will never hurt me". He is clearly taking the high road not because he is above trash talking but because he knows that if he was to really go done that path he would be made to look like a fool even more then what he already does just like most of Rock's past opponents.

No, I don't agree that professional wrestling is a competitive sport. Professional wrestling is a story of a bunch of guys competing for a title, fame, and to entertain fans. Even if I did consider wrestling to be a sport, most professional sports frown upon a guy promoting a match or game by trashing his opponent with a microphone with Muhammad Ali being the only notable exception I can think of, and The Rock is no Ali.

You seem to be set on the idea that Cena can't insult The Rock. I already argued that it's not in his character to blatantly insult other stars right now. Despite that, he has managed to insult The Rock in a way that no other star ever has. He is shrugging off everything The Rock says as lame and immature, and The Rock has no way to respond to that, because all of his insults are lame and immature.

As a result of what Cena is doing, The Rock has to compose himself between every other sentence while using the guise of chants (if you listen most of the time, the chants only start after he pauses), since he doesn't know what to say next. Again, it is not in Cena's current character to go blow-for-blow against any opponent. He didn't make fun of CM Punk's tattoos and small-time Indy work, he didn't make fun of Kane's mask, and since the feud has started back up, he hasn't made fun of The Rock's choices in movie roles.

No shit I'm speaking from a storyline perspective I know how wrestling works I'm not 3 years old.

So you think that Cena is afraid of The Rock outside of the storyline, and you think The Rock shot on Cena by pointing it out during the promo? ...Examples like this show that you would be anti-Cena despite anything that either of them did. Can you define bias for me?

So let me get this right, are you suggesting that John Cena has been completely winning the war of words for a whole year by kissing up to The Rock, avoiding Rock's real criticism of him, never really going word for word w/Rock on the mic & attacking Dwayne Johnson career choice's when this has nothing to do w/there match at Mania. Sounds to me like all John is doing is masking his weakness on the mic & showing that he is envy of all The Rock's career success.

Did you even read the part of my post that you quoted beyond the first six words? During that excerpt, I didn't mention Cena kissing up to The Rock or avoid criticism. In fact, Cena didn't even do half the things you're talking about. Cena said that he used to be a fan of The Rock, and he wants to beat the version of Rocky that he was a fan of. How is that kissing up? The Rock's criticism is that "Cena looks stupid", "Cena's merch looks stupid", and "Cena would have lost the revolutionary war for America" (and yet you criticize Cena for saying things that have nothing to do with Mania). Cena responded to that by implying that those criticisms are stupid and have nothing to do with anything.

And again, yes, I understand that you think that Cena not being a clone of The Rock is a weakness. We also understand that you think you're not biased.

You should take your own advice cause John has done no such thing. Rock is a company man so it's not that far fetched that he would give John a few passes just for the sake of the company & there #1 guy.

So are you suggesting that Cena hasn't outdone The Rock in a promo, or are you saying that The Rock is letting Cena outdo him? Because those are two completely different things, and I'm pretty sure that blatantly just claimed both. Look, I understand that you like The Rock more than Cena. I even understand that you are going to dislike Cena in this feud despite anything that happens on either side or any other information you get from any source. You have the freedom to cover your eyes and ears all you want (due to The Rock building a time machine, going to the past, and winning our revolutionary war against the British Empire, apparently). That being said, don't try to pretend that you're not just as biased as you claim Cena fans to be, or at least try not to act surprised if someone calls you out in it.

The Rock doesn't need nostalgia to get over w/the crowd his year worth of entertaining has done the talking for him. Your statement about if The Rock started a year ago is irrelevant cause I can just as easy say the same thing about Cena starting out when Rock did. I can say well John would never be a main eventer if he started w/Austin, HHH, & The Rock but neither one of us knows that to be true so its was dumb to even bring up such nonsense.

He hasn't entertained the crowd for a year. He has entertained the crowd for maybe 3 or 4 weeks of the year. You can't say the same about Cena, because you didn't see how well he would have performed in a different era with less restrictions. In fact, you could probably argue the opposite if you heard how crazy everyone was about him during the thugonomics phase early in his career.

On the other hand, we have seen how The Rock performs in the PG era. The greatest praise he gets right now is about how he commands the crowd. Do you honestly think that the crowd would be chanting "Rocky", "Boots to asses", "and millions", "finally", or any other random catch phrases if The Rock started a year ago? Do you honestly think that The Rock could command anyone's attention in this era if he didn't get 20 minute promos every time he stepped foot in the ring or four promos that last about five minutes each?

Okay you could have also kept this silly comment to yourself also cause it doesn't make your opinion any stronger.

It helped you to stop mentioning The Rock doing things to Cena's ass for an entire post. Since I realized that nothing that I say will ever register as legitimate in your opinion as long as I disagree with you (since you pretty much started your opinion with "anyone who disagrees with me is delusional"), that's the best I could hope for. I'd call that a mission success.


EDIT to respond to previous poster:

You guys might need to cut Hollywood E Rock some slack. I mean, his name has "Rock" in it, he seems to think that Rock is hands down the greatest mic worker ever (not true, it's at least arguable that he isn't and if you watched wrestling before Rock you probably agree with me), and he has Rock in his flippin sig. He's a Rock "homer". It's like Hawk Harrelson calling White Sox games (Hollywood isn't THAT annoying).

I agree with the majority here that the feud has been awesome and that Rock has been great because he is A) the fuckin Rock and is entertaining and B) Cena has been great, he has stepped up his game.

IMO it's sort of like how some great players get complacent. When you're REALLY good at what you do, sometimes it's easy to get in a routine. Cena doesnt' have to do much to draw. Doesn't have to do much to be more over than everyone on the roster. Rock shows up, now he has to be at his best at all times. It's awesome.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's an awesome program, and I look forward to seeing more! I should probably stop responding to Hollywood to avoid getting myself (and apparently him) riled up.

 

[PlayTheGame]

I really think that letting Cena be more agressive in his promos and in his overall character is definitely the way to go. Cena always seems to be on the defensive, but when he gets a bit more agressive, like he has been on Raw against the Rock, we get to see why Cena was able to rise to the top in the first place- that "ruthless agression" on the mic. A lot of people have been calling for Cena to turn heel because his character has grown stale. I can't disagree, his character has been mostly unchanged for quite some time now. Understandably, people want to see something different, so they figure a heel turn is in order. However, I feel that instead of turning him heel (something the WWE is obviously very reluctant to do), it'd suffice to just let him bring out this more agressive side of him. It's very entertaining, it draws you in, and it's fresh. If Cena could take a more agressive approach in upcoming feuds, maybe his character would appear to be more fresh and likable, and just maybe people would stop hating on him so much. I think it could work.