In my opinion, he hasn't overstayed his welcome, but i do agree thet he needs some sort of change, something edgier would definitly help, but i agree with some of the guys here, there is no one else with star power to help Cena carry the load, the one that i think might be later this year if everything goes right is Dolp Ziggler, he has the potential to be a top heel if WWE creative team does not screw things up, i think CM Punk is the one who kind of overstayed his, when he was delivering his promos, people was starting to compare him to Stone Cold, and in my opinion it looked like he was actually going to get there, but John Laurinitis and the creative team blew this one up by trying to revive the Austin/McMahon feud in Punk/Laurinitis, it failed, and it hurt CM Punk, so we are back to Cena again since Punk couldn't take some of the burden of Cena's shoulders, i'm not exactly Cena's biggest fan, but i respect him for what he has done for the WWE, but as good as he is, he needs help to carry the company, i hope that this does not happen, but what if he gets seriously injured, what will the WWE do? I think the Nexus angle was suppose to get big and give Cena a break, but that didn't happen, because the WWE realize that they couldn't afford to give Cena that much needed break, or maybe Cena doesn't need to change, maybe that is what he needs, a nice break, and maybe during that break the WWE might find the next big thing or a worthy opponent for Cena who can also carry the WWE, who knows.........
**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)
- Thread starter Jack-Hammer
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Your post has one major flaw which basically renders it invalid. People have been booing John Cena since 2005.
How can you say they're tired of his character, when they were booing his "new" character in 2005? How can you say people aren't just being ignorant and/or obnoxious, when they've been booing Cena for 7 years, and constantly changing the argument?
When people first started booing Cena it was because he was a "white rapper". Then it was because "we're tired of seeing The Marine advertisements". Then it was "he only knows 5 moves". Then it became "he can't wrestle". Then it was "he never loses a match". Then it was "he's Superman". Then it was "he only appeals to women and children". Now it's "we're just tired of his character". At some point, doesn't it just get too ridiculous to continue booing him?
I don't care if you like him or not, but don't try to say people like me are generalizing Cena haters like it's a bad thing, because the fact of the matter is I've seen YEARS of ridiculous, stupid and just flat out illogical arguments for why people boo. And at the end of the day, there's no real reason to boo Cena. You can not be entertained by him, but what reason do you have to boo or chant "Cena sucks"? Do you do that when the Undertaker comes out? Here's a gimmick CLEARLY marketed towards children, and it's the same gimmick he was working 20 years ago. And yet, the same fans who boo Cena, got offended when the crowd chanted "what" at Taker a couple weeks ago.
So I'm going to continue generalizing Cena haters as being obnoxious, ignorant or hypocritical, because history supports such a generalization.
AwesomeRko
Getting Noticed By Management
I don't think that cena has overstayed his welcome he clearly still can contribute a lot with his popularity and star-power. Having said that I think it is time WWE realised he should no longer monopolise every main event and the title picture post Rock.
He is at the stage now ehere he should be helping to build and put over the next generation of wrestlers to take his place.I understand the argument that states that none of the current young guys are at his level but how will they ever be if he continually gets given the best storylines, most high profile fueds and maintains his aura of indestructibility. there are young superstars like Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz even possibly Sheamus and Barrett who with the right build and WWE's full backing could develop into large main event draws and who knows maybe even the next face of the company.
Changing from the whole face super-Cena gimmick to something else would enable him to take a step back and do this effectively similar to what Hollywood Rock did for guys like Lesnar and Goldberg.
He is at the stage now ehere he should be helping to build and put over the next generation of wrestlers to take his place.I understand the argument that states that none of the current young guys are at his level but how will they ever be if he continually gets given the best storylines, most high profile fueds and maintains his aura of indestructibility. there are young superstars like Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz even possibly Sheamus and Barrett who with the right build and WWE's full backing could develop into large main event draws and who knows maybe even the next face of the company.
Changing from the whole face super-Cena gimmick to something else would enable him to take a step back and do this effectively similar to what Hollywood Rock did for guys like Lesnar and Goldberg.
Yes, the Nexus angle and when Cena was "fired" was the perfect opportunity to give him some extended time off, and renew interest in him by taking him off our screens for awhile ("absence makes the heart grow fonder"). Instead he was back the very next week because god forbid they take a little bit of a hit to the ratings in order to properly build an angle.
The same thing happened with CM Punk when he won the title on his way out, and yet he was right back almost immediately. They could have run an awesome angle with him "leaving" with the WWE Title, but instead they were short-term focused on the ratings so he was back right away.
John Cena is definitely overexposed these days, which is a big reason why people boo the cr@p out of him every time he shows his face for the last several years. He needs extended time off, and the WWE needs to be forced to build some other stars instead of constantly relying on Cena again and again (making people hate him even more).
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I have to agree with the majority that Cena hasn't overstayed his welcome. Whether you're a fan of Cena or not, Cena always gets tons of attention from fans in whatever feud or angle he's working. He continues to draw the interest of WWE viewers whether they cheer him or boo him. Look how often Cena is talked about on internet forums and wrestling websites in general. As others have also pointed out, Cena does sell tickets, he sells merchendise and he does draw viewers. I get that some people don't like the guy, nothing wrong with that in and of itself as no single wrestler can be all things to all fans. But, the simple truth is that not being a John Cena fan doesn't change the fact that Cena is still the overall biggest star in pro wrestling today.
I think there's been a noticable change in the direction of Cena's character these past several months. It hasn't been a full change, but Cena does have much more of an edge to him now than he has in a while. As we all know, there's been tons of speculation, debate, wonder & even hope that Cena is going heel and that this has all been part of a slow build to a heel turn. I don't know if a heel turn is in the future, it's more possible now than it ever has been I think, but I do think there's also a chance that Cena's character will be edgier and not nearly as happy go lucky as he's been known for. He no longer gets in the ring during promos and cracks wise with his corny, cutesy jokes. When Cena is in a more serious and focused mode, I think he can be damn fun to watch & listen to.
I think there's been a noticable change in the direction of Cena's character these past several months. It hasn't been a full change, but Cena does have much more of an edge to him now than he has in a while. As we all know, there's been tons of speculation, debate, wonder & even hope that Cena is going heel and that this has all been part of a slow build to a heel turn. I don't know if a heel turn is in the future, it's more possible now than it ever has been I think, but I do think there's also a chance that Cena's character will be edgier and not nearly as happy go lucky as he's been known for. He no longer gets in the ring during promos and cracks wise with his corny, cutesy jokes. When Cena is in a more serious and focused mode, I think he can be damn fun to watch & listen to.
i_will_be_electrified
New Member
its been said time and time again cena's character is stale its time for a change wwe just wont fire the trigger i think once they see how bad he is booed in miami and its gonna be bad 
they MIGHT go back to his old thuganomics gimmick and thats a big maybe but he will remain face just more edgier and no i dont think this would of happened with rock stone cold because they were always going from heel to face so the fans wouldnt get bored i think its time for a orton heel turn i know its off topic but the face orton of the viper has ran its course imo 
they MIGHT go back to his old thuganomics gimmick and thats a big maybe but he will remain face just more edgier and no i dont think this would of happened with rock stone cold because they were always going from heel to face so the fans wouldnt get bored i think its time for a orton heel turn i know its off topic but the face orton of the viper has ran its course imo 
mral82
The D.G.A.F.F.O.O.O. Champion
To the OP what rock you been sleeping under? If you noticed since the beginning of this year Cena has been slowly Tweaking his Character to part Dr. of Thuganomics and this John. As w/ this Dwayne or Rocky feud going on Cena has Owned Johnson on the mic. Rocky usta back in the day was able to shoot a retort back in a heartbeat while his opponent or the other person was in the ring. But no he couldn't til Cena was already go back to the back. Plus, John has not overstayed his welcome as he is their hardest worker on the roster. The only guy I think who should get a shot as the face of the company behind Cena is The Miz. The reason why the Miz is he does it all for the company and never gets any respect from no one.
Cats Pajamas
Serenity now!!!
This is one of my favorite statements. We hear a lot of folks clamoring for a heel turn, but I personally don't think it will be half as enticing as if they wait until we've all just given up on it, the slow build as Jack-Hammer mentioned just winds us all tighter and tighter. Genius television, can't get enough of it. I'm glad he didn't "embrace the hate" and I hope that should he ever turn we all get completely blindsided.
I thought I'd give the original poster's second question another look, although I wish someone else would answer it better after me because mine is going to be mostly shit. Here goes, anyway... Do you think Austin, Bret, or Rock would have faced the same criticisms being around this long?
Helluva good question, partner. Bret Hart was so airtight in his in-ring mechanics I personally couldn't have found myself booing the guy. I could have been really sick of what he was doing storyline wise, but I'm a huge fan of the technical marvels. In fact, his is one of the few DVDs I own and I still pop it in (and could play any match at random) and enjoy it like I did when it aired.
When I think of The Rock, it get's even harder to determine... if he hadn't taken the extended leaves to go film movies, would the fans have booed him back to the stone age in his SummerSlam slobberknocker with Lesnar? I'm not sure, but probability points to "yes" for this fan. Most of that is just because I'm an undying Lesnar fan, but easily by now the crowds were looking not for wrestlers to kiss their collective asses, but instead looking for athletic monsters who were as merciless as a silverback gorilla. Lesnar fit that bill perfectly. If he'd have stuck around though... he'd have probably been like gold while other top of the mountain stars were skipping out like teenagers.
That leaves Stone Cold Steve Austin. In my opinion, if he came back to face CM Punk at Mania instead of Jericho, he would not get one single naysayer. Stone Cold is almost as popular now as he was when he left. He still portrays an ass-whooping machine as much as ever. That and who could possibly boo Austin 3:16?? He was still "blue collar" despite being the number one guy of the number one company. What?! I said he was the number one... aw forget it...
Sorry this was so damn long... What?! but I think that each one of those guys What?! probably have their own case to argue What?! Now would someone with a few more brain cells What?! answer that question a little better? What?! Thanks a bunch What?! and best regards, wrestling fans WHAT?!?!
I think he took a well deserved break from the main event spot with his rivalry against Kane and his match with The Rock at Wrestlemania. Other things were developing at the time and it made little to no sense to keep him in the WWE Championship spot. Overstayed his welcome, no. You have to understand that there are just some fans who arent going to want a particular superstar around no matter who they are. Some said Taker should retire during the ABA days, which he acknowledged in an interview. Some say Triple H has overstayed his welcome, but I think hes at the top of his game mic wise. There are plenty of guys who have gotten significant exposure over a number of years and get the whole overstayed welcome reaction. But if they had listened to the critics we wouldnt have some of the significant moment and rivalries we've had. Cena's problem isnt that hes been there for such a long time, its that his character lacks substance. I dont care in what kind of clever way he or the WWE want to deflect the issue, the point is WWE is a place for characters. Who the superstars are determines if you even give a damn that they did good in the ring.
I think what CENA needs to become fresh again is an injury...it dosent have to be an injury but i think he needs to take time off, ALOT. so when he returns in like almost a year or more, people will be happy and suprised. IMMAGINE eating sausage everyday. after a week, ur gonna be wanting something new and sausage will taste disgusting. well cena is that sausage and he needs to get off the dish for awhile so people can have a differant taste. and then maybe later, the fans would start wanting some sausage again.
robinkom
With a TEAR... IN MY EEYYEEEE....
I'm not a fan in the least of Cena but he's definitely worked for everything he's got, corporate ass-kissing not withstanding. Like many other people replying to this topic, I like to use the Hulk Hogan parallel. It's been 7 years of babyface Super Cena, the all-powerful good guy who always wins to maintain the status quo. The children are taking longer to get sick of it than the adults, it's definitely still selling to them. Otherwise, we wouldn't be hearing all of the "Deep Voices" yelling 'Cena sucks!'
The PG nature of the show isn't helping his case either. I know there's a lot of us older fans who watched the entirety of the Monday Night Wars and the Attitude Era play out and were used to a lot of vulgarity but you don't necessarily need that to appeal to our demographic. This may sound off-topic, but it's an intertwining symptom of Cena's current perception.
What threw me for a loop really was the regression to a PG rating because, starting in 1992 when I became a wrestling fan, I felt that the WWF product was progressing in a way that it "grew up" parallel to me. During the Attitude Era, I was in Junior High then High School and we were the crowd McMahon was hooking into the product. As an adult now, they did a complete 180 and it reverted back to how it was when I was kid, only not containing the same quality talent I grew up watching. (And McMahon is doing everything he can to single-handedly beat the living sh*t out of Twitter).
We in the 18-35 age group can easily be catered to with some decent wrestling matches, the occasional hardcore spot, and storylines that don't insult our intelligence. That's what we want and Cena has pretty much not been placed in many scenarios of that nature over the last 7 years. I would say that they've begun to lean in the right direction with Cena's recent Kane feud, but they always ramp up the action at WrestleMania time; it'll settle back down soon after.
I don't think Cena necessarily needs to turn heel, it wouldn't help his case at the present time. He just needs let down that "Hulk Hogan facade" somewhat and be a bit more 'raw' if you'll pardon the pun. A heel turn is something you'd want to save for a more appropriate time like waiting a couple more years when his young fans are older and disillusioned with him. If they can pull that off in the vain of Hogan's heel turn, it'll be a MASSIVE draw.
The PG nature of the show isn't helping his case either. I know there's a lot of us older fans who watched the entirety of the Monday Night Wars and the Attitude Era play out and were used to a lot of vulgarity but you don't necessarily need that to appeal to our demographic. This may sound off-topic, but it's an intertwining symptom of Cena's current perception.
What threw me for a loop really was the regression to a PG rating because, starting in 1992 when I became a wrestling fan, I felt that the WWF product was progressing in a way that it "grew up" parallel to me. During the Attitude Era, I was in Junior High then High School and we were the crowd McMahon was hooking into the product. As an adult now, they did a complete 180 and it reverted back to how it was when I was kid, only not containing the same quality talent I grew up watching. (And McMahon is doing everything he can to single-handedly beat the living sh*t out of Twitter).
We in the 18-35 age group can easily be catered to with some decent wrestling matches, the occasional hardcore spot, and storylines that don't insult our intelligence. That's what we want and Cena has pretty much not been placed in many scenarios of that nature over the last 7 years. I would say that they've begun to lean in the right direction with Cena's recent Kane feud, but they always ramp up the action at WrestleMania time; it'll settle back down soon after.
I don't think Cena necessarily needs to turn heel, it wouldn't help his case at the present time. He just needs let down that "Hulk Hogan facade" somewhat and be a bit more 'raw' if you'll pardon the pun. A heel turn is something you'd want to save for a more appropriate time like waiting a couple more years when his young fans are older and disillusioned with him. If they can pull that off in the vain of Hogan's heel turn, it'll be a MASSIVE draw.
Rampage Bentley
Saving WZ one post at a time.
What Rock have I been sleeping under? DWAYNE F*CKING JOHNSON!!!
Sorry... couldn't resist. If you look closely you'll see that I never gave an opinion, just stated some facts and asked some questions. I have seen a slight tweak in Cena's character and while I'm still not a fan, ever since his program with Punk, I by no means despise John Cena. Punk brought out the best in him and he's doing his best to maintain that.
That being said, minor tweaks and slight character progression after seven years is kind of too little too late. I don't necessarily think he should turn heel, it's too much of a gamble (it'd either go Hogan turn or Austin turn... different time, different thread.) I just think that he's gone a bit status quo since his program with Kane ended.
As far as what my opinion is on my own questions...
1. I don't think he's quite overstayed his welcome, but I do think it's time he step aside and let someone else be the posterboy... which he is doing by letting Punk essentially be RAW's top guy... I just hope it doesn't regress post-mania
2. I think it's a case by case basis. Rock most certainly would have... infact I remember the crowd (myself included) treating The Rock almost the same way Cena's been treated back in the early 2000's. I think Austin and Hart would always be loved, but they got out at the right time.
mattschiefs
Dark Match Jobber
As someone who has been in the CENA SUCKS crowd since 2007 I will say No he hasn't overstayed his welcome. Why? Because what we have seen on tv is not John Cena. It's the water downed PG version of Cena. Over the past few months Cena has not been as water downed but still a tad water downed. That's why he has been hated. It's nothing that started with Cena. The Ring master was no good Stone Cold Steve Austin was because they said screw it and let him Be Stone Cold Steve Austin. People HATED Rocky Miavia but when they let him be THE ROCK he took off. Cena's in the same boat there. If they will let Cena John Cena without holding back then I think alot of the hate for him will pipe down.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
The problem with Cena is not so much overstaying his welcome, but it's getting by on the bare minimum. Think back to 2002 and that match with Kurt Angle... the guy could always work really well... I remember watching that and saying to my lil bro, he's gonna be massive... and he is...
How Cena is booked by WWE is at the heart of his problem, but there is an element of staleness to him as a personality as well. Rocky was right with the "all you changed is your shorts". It's the same 5 moves, Super Cena comeback for 6 years... at least give him a new finisher. A lot of the time it seems like Cena is going through the motions rather than putting forth real effort...that is why people dislike him.
As to whether others would have overstayed their welcome... If it's Austin post injuries yeah, it'd have gotten old and stale and he wouldn't have been physically able to change it up... Had he remained healthy he still would have gotten over to the same level, but it might have taken a year longer... so longevity would be likely.
Bret Hart, I doubt he would have allowed himself to overstay, he knew the biz was changing before his injury and that his days were numbered. Had he stayed healthy he would probably have stayed out of the business in protest at Vince... The injury was the thing that changed his perception, that Vince called him days after and stuff... I wish Bret had been around to feud (and be around backstage) Eddie, Benoit and Perfect later in their lives and careers... to this day if I could change one outcome of a WM it'd be Benoit beating Bret for the belt... So much would have been different!
Rock was starting to face them when he left, people were getting a little bored of him hogging the show with segments like "The Rock Concert" and not having one foot in Hollywood. Give it a year and people will be bored again if he doesn't change it up...
The guy who has it right is Jericho, he never stays around quite long enough to let you get bored of him, makes impact while he is there and always puts over people... however many times he goes off he will always be welcomed...
The guy who HAS overstayed his welcome...controversy ahead... Undertaker... enough of the one match a year crap... he really is the guy robbing a spot from people rather than Rock... my honest view is he should not face anyone at WM until he is ready to lose to them. Sure most would "reject" it out of respect... but he is either retired or not in my mind...
How Cena is booked by WWE is at the heart of his problem, but there is an element of staleness to him as a personality as well. Rocky was right with the "all you changed is your shorts". It's the same 5 moves, Super Cena comeback for 6 years... at least give him a new finisher. A lot of the time it seems like Cena is going through the motions rather than putting forth real effort...that is why people dislike him.
As to whether others would have overstayed their welcome... If it's Austin post injuries yeah, it'd have gotten old and stale and he wouldn't have been physically able to change it up... Had he remained healthy he still would have gotten over to the same level, but it might have taken a year longer... so longevity would be likely.
Bret Hart, I doubt he would have allowed himself to overstay, he knew the biz was changing before his injury and that his days were numbered. Had he stayed healthy he would probably have stayed out of the business in protest at Vince... The injury was the thing that changed his perception, that Vince called him days after and stuff... I wish Bret had been around to feud (and be around backstage) Eddie, Benoit and Perfect later in their lives and careers... to this day if I could change one outcome of a WM it'd be Benoit beating Bret for the belt... So much would have been different!
Rock was starting to face them when he left, people were getting a little bored of him hogging the show with segments like "The Rock Concert" and not having one foot in Hollywood. Give it a year and people will be bored again if he doesn't change it up...
The guy who has it right is Jericho, he never stays around quite long enough to let you get bored of him, makes impact while he is there and always puts over people... however many times he goes off he will always be welcomed...
The guy who HAS overstayed his welcome...controversy ahead... Undertaker... enough of the one match a year crap... he really is the guy robbing a spot from people rather than Rock... my honest view is he should not face anyone at WM until he is ready to lose to them. Sure most would "reject" it out of respect... but he is either retired or not in my mind...
FlairFan2003
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Cena hasnt overstayed his welcome. Unlike Hogan, Cena is a dedicated worker who puts over other talent and tries to make everyone look good. Hogan was getting booed in the mid 90s was because he was viewed as a less talented performer, one who never put over other talent, a guy who didnt deliver great matches and who didnt make other people look good. Watching him humiliate Flair and marginalize Savage and Sting did not endear him to fans.
Cena's character seems boring to the 25 and up crowd but they dont buy the toys, posters, and magazines. They are less likely to attend live events also. Cena delivers the kids and in turn delivers profits.
Cena doesnt need a major character change, he needs better opponents. Facing light weights like Miz isnt the same as battling Edge and HHH. Its a shame he hasnt been allowed to showcase more vs Rock, its as if WWE is trying to protect Rock. Last week was a much needed boast to Cena at Rock's expense, a great promo, hopefully he'll be allowed to shine more leading into WM, then this match will be the mega event it deserves.
Cena's character seems boring to the 25 and up crowd but they dont buy the toys, posters, and magazines. They are less likely to attend live events also. Cena delivers the kids and in turn delivers profits.
Cena doesnt need a major character change, he needs better opponents. Facing light weights like Miz isnt the same as battling Edge and HHH. Its a shame he hasnt been allowed to showcase more vs Rock, its as if WWE is trying to protect Rock. Last week was a much needed boast to Cena at Rock's expense, a great promo, hopefully he'll be allowed to shine more leading into WM, then this match will be the mega event it deserves.
Time shouldn't ever be a factor on how long someone can be the fact of the company.
Cena's relevancy is stronger now than ever, and there's nobody to realisitcally pass the torch to right now. The youth movement has many potential candidates, but I can't see a single person being the top draw besides Cena right now.
Cena's relevancy is stronger now than ever, and there's nobody to realisitcally pass the torch to right now. The youth movement has many potential candidates, but I can't see a single person being the top draw besides Cena right now.
I Heart Cena
Pre-Show Stalwart
The reasons everyone hates him are very logical. He simply isn't entertaining. Tonight was another good example. He was boring as always.
I, personally, have no problem with the whats at Taker. He was being lame himself. Not as bad as cena, but still pretty lame.
Fans pay money for a ticket, they have every right to tell the wrestlers that they absolutely suck. Which is what fans do to cena because he does. What's atrocious is that WWE edits out these boos and chants on the re-airings. Now that's ridiculous.
BTW, WWE set up plants to start the "tooth fairy" cheer tonight. Don't think for a second it was organic. It was scripted for Cena to point it out to everyone. Notice how they paused for it.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
You are such a blind mark that it's astounding. You're like a stupid selfish child, refusing to hear anything that doesn't fit their world view. Re-Airings? Please elaborate on this more; I'm pretty certain Raw is live most every week. Plants in the crowd? Lulz. Yes, I'm sure WWE gave up the money they could have made selling all of those seats (and the money they would have had to pay the plants) just to start one chant for a promo at the end of the show.
Please, if you want to make ridiculous statements like this bring some evidence or proof to back them up. Otherwise they aren't facts; they're just silly little ideas you cook up in your head because you can't accept that it's not 1999 anymore.
I Heart Cena
Pre-Show Stalwart
http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2011/11/wwe-edits-out-john-cena-boos-and-sucks-chants/DirtyJosé;3758720 said:
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http://www.wrestlingforum.com/raw/580919-clearing-up-misconception-about-piped-reactions.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101212232558AA0yQgY
You're like a child because you don't know the truth. It is common knowledge that WWE has been using edits and crowd plants to put cena over
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Can't watch due to piracy issues. Do you even check your sources before citing them, or are you just dense?
All I see is one angry nerd ranting about the typical anti-Cena nonsense. No proof. No evidence. Not one reliable source yet. You're really bad at this.
Did you know I'm totally a rocket scientist? I said it on the internet, so it must be true. Lulz. So now forum posts are credible sources? You must really have no life.
Yahoo Answers is probably the only source of info online that's less credible that Wikipedia. Are you serious? You can't be serious. There's no way you're that dumb.
No, it's not. "Common knowledge" is not "what my fellow haters and I believe". There are so many holes in your logic here, let's just start with one. So let's make believe that you are right about plants and edits; what does it serve? If "the people" really don't like Cena as much as you say he does, why does he draw more money than anyone else? Why does he sell more shows than anyone else? This is the problem with the "forced down our throats" bullshit; it doesn't cover the FACT that he brings in money by the truck load.
So, please, do a little more digging. Be a little more serious about this if you really care to try. Pull up some real shit, not just the usual bile you and people like you spill out into the internet. All you've posted here is borderline spam and you're acting like you've accomplished something with it.
I Heart Cena
Pre-Show Stalwart
I knew you'd use the "it's just internet rumor" line. You're the one who's dense and has no life since you can't accept the fact that WWE helps out Cena so much.DirtyJosé;3758802 said:
Go watch vids of live reactions, then compare them to DVDs of the same match. You'll see. And yes, cheers can be piped into live broadcasts. It's a sound effect like any other.
What do the edits serve? So the kids and easily brainwashed can think he's popular. Many are sheep, and will root for whom they think everyone likes.
I didn't deny the fact he brings in money. He is over with the kids, that's why he brings in money. But most everyone else hates him. And all these audio edits have helped him get over. It's sad, but it's real. Do some research on it.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Lol, ok e-warrior. It's still internet rumor. You've got nothing but other internet folk speculating about stuff.
Why do I care about DVD releases? It really doesn't serve your argument because I can't think of anyone who'd buy a DVD with Cena stuff on it unless they wanted to see Cena stuff already. We're talking live broadcasts here, champ. Go back and read my first response to you.
Also, in one of the lame forum posts you cited earlier, the so-called broadcasting expert said piping in audio at live events was tricky. Do you even read what you post?
Are you serious? People root for who they like. I know it's just too hard for you to accept that, but this is the weakest and most pathetic argument I've ever heard.
Um, no. In case you forgot, you're the one who opened your big mouth with this bullshit, so you're the one that can back it up. Reports from the ground tonight called Cena's reaction as split, so WHOOPS there goes your theory about "most everyone hating him". And at the end of the day, even you admit he brings in money. That's kinda their job out there. Little peons like you butthurt about someone you don't like being over don't matter. He makes money. He draws. That's called "being over".
grantedisme
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I like that the argument here is "the fans cheer for what they like, which is why they boo Cena!" That part is fair enough on its own.
...But then the fans chant "tooth fairy", and the WWE are suddenly accused of editing footage while it's live (seriously?) and using plants, who are apparently successful enough to get a good part of the arena to chant it (...seriously?).
If you prefer The Rock to Cena, that's totally fine. There are great points you could make to support that opinion. In other words, everyone is free to their own opinion, but please don't let it blind every basic analytic perception you have.
...But then the fans chant "tooth fairy", and the WWE are suddenly accused of editing footage while it's live (seriously?) and using plants, who are apparently successful enough to get a good part of the arena to chant it (...seriously?).
If you prefer The Rock to Cena, that's totally fine. There are great points you could make to support that opinion. In other words, everyone is free to their own opinion, but please don't let it blind every basic analytic perception you have.
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