**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Well, not as "outside the box" as people are saying (Nexus was kinda similar, new guys going after Cena), but I don't mind it.

The problem is, sure pairing with Cena will make him more visible, but if he doesn't hack it, the program goes to shit and he basically loses his shot and we waste time. I'd rather break him in with something a little safer. A vet guy who is consistently over but isn't so high profile that if it fails people will remember it. That's why Smackdown is so awesome.

I definitely like that the OP is thinking outside the box, but I don't see Cena being the guy to put any new talent over post Wrestlemania. The problem is that Cena, at least in his current incarnation, is Superman. He doesn't lose feuds, he doesn't come out of any storyline looking the worse for wear, and that's a problem when pitting him against new talent. It also would put incredible pressure on Ambrose right out of the gate. While he is without question, a very capable and extremely talented pro wrestler, losing to Cena isn't the best way, especially post WM when things kind of lag in WWE, to get him over. If the feud doesn't pull in ratings, if it doesn't generate serious interest, than it automatically puts Ambrose/Moxley in a situation where it looks like he's failed. Plus, a new talent should not be pushed that hard to the top of the card in the very beginning of their WWE careers. A guy like Ambrose deserves and needs the time to really cultivate his persona in WWE, be it as a heel or face, and to get a strong base for fan reaction. Once he has that, the sky is the limit. But coming in cold, with a lot of WWE fans that will have zero idea of his pre WWE accomplishments, will leave him looking like a one off feud for Cena.

It is looking more and more like Cena will remain the same Cena we've known for many years now,post Wrestlemania. With that comes the fact of accepting he isn't going to lose a feud, and will always come out the superhero. It would be much better to introduce Moxley/Ambrose into the midcard, allow him to feud with talent that flies a bit lower under the radar, so that he an showcase his talents with superstars that really know how to put guys over (Ziggler, Kingston...even a guy like Santion given his popularity).

Did you write this post in like May? Cena lost to Punk and has pretty clearly evolved his character. How the hell can you not see taht?

 

[PunkNation26]

LOL. The last time Cena did a "JOB" was to either HBK or HHH. For what it's worth it took HBK about an hour to beat him. It took HHH about 20 minutes. It's also kind of ironic that people say Cena "works" hard when he is frequently criticized for having a poor workrate.

I don't hate Cena as a person by the way, I hate his persona. He is a superficial star though. Anybody can do what Cena does if given the right opportunity. I mean damn, Justin Bieber is a star. He and Cena have the same fanbase. See what I'm saying?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

LOL. The last time Cena did a "JOB" was to either HBK or HHH. For what it's worth it took HBK about an hour to beat him. It took HHH about 20 minutes. It's also kind of ironic that people say Cena "works" hard when he is frequently criticized for having a poor workrate.

I don't hate Cena as a person by the way, I hate his persona. He is a superficial star though. Anybody can do what Cena does if given the right opportunity. I mean damn, Justin Bieber is a star. He and Cena have the same fanbase. See what I'm saying?

O man wher to start.

First off, your name is "PunkNation" pretty sure that Cena put Punk over a LOT. Second, I'm laughing at you right now. NOBODY who has EVER been successful in wrestling uses the term "workrate". It's a term made up by fat virgins who want to pretend they know anything about wrestling. Then again, I guess you and Metlzer (who between him and Alvarez actually say if you think Cena sucks in the ring that you lose credibiltiy) know more than Race, RVD, Punk, Samoa Joe, and Terry Funk who all say he's pretty good. Just because you don't actually understand crowd psychology or in ring storytelling beyond a DER DER I JUST SHIT MY PANTS ****** level doesn't mean he doesn't tell a better story with 5 moves than most guys do with 500.

No, not everyone else could do what Cena does. that's what hipster fucks like you think. Also, no, not anyone else could do what Bieber does. I'm not a fan of Bieber's music, but he can perform and sell records, which is the goal for him. I'm not going to talk about that because I don't know much about Bieber, I'm more of a nine inch nails guy.

Actually I don't see what you're saying. You basically said "I don't actually understand pro wrestling and I'm the reason smarks get shit on by vets all the time. I use dumbass words that Al Snow didn't even know existed because nobody who is successful thinks that more moves makes you better".

Just because I want you to be happy, here is a piece of shit spotfest with no selling or storytelling or anything other than WURKRATEZ AND MOVEZ AND FLIPZ!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYj3zfOCaYg come back when you can tell me why this match sucked and will never draw.

 

[Quazi]

After wrestlemania 28 the next raw cena cuts a promo with the rock. After the promo end's rock declares that cena bested him. He leaves and the lights go out. And brock lesner walks in and destroys cena. That's the feud i wanna see.

 

[MattRhys20]

The idea is not bad but I think the person is. I dont want to sound like a guy who is "stuck in the times" or anything like that but just looking at the guy he does not look like he would be the type of guy to beat Cena up badly. If the guy was build like Brock Lesnar and wrestle like Lesnar then that would be a different story. Like I said i think it would be a good idea but just with a different person. (By the way i did not say Brock lesnar needs to be the guy)

In which case, can we bring back Brock Lesnar? Go back to the original post, there is about 2 minutes to go on Raw, Cena is wrapping his up his shoot after winning, maybe he's even finished and his doing his whole H.L.R hand gestures on the turnbuckles, then suddenly... we hear that music and we just see Brock Lesnar at the top of the rope, who does the 'You Can't See Me' similar to Rock before Survivor Series and just walks off as Raw goes off the air

 

[mareek]

This tweet from the rock pretty much sums up everything and is why rock wins:

"Breaking kayfabe is easy, cheap and never entertaining. Boys who are desperate do it all the time."

 

[GI Cake]

This tweet from the rock pretty much sums up everything and is why rock wins:

"Breaking kayfabe is easy, cheap and never entertaining. Boys who are desperate do it all the time."

How does this make up for Rock being showed up by John Cena, week in, week out? How does this sum up anything? I am a proud member of Team Bring It but Rock is simply not bringing it. He is not bringing the same passion that he did in his prime. While Rock is spending 15 minutes pandering to the crowd, Cena comes out and puts boots to asses.

CM Punk broke kayfabe in his shoot. And hell, the skyrocketed him to the number two spot in the WWE. He is the WWE champion heading into Wrestlemania. Hell, it was the most entertaining thing anyone has done in a long, long time. Was it cheap? Was it easy? That all depends on what really happened in the backstage. But you can bet money that it was entertaining. So what if Cena breaks kayfabe? If anything, this is Rock admitting he can't be as entertaining Cena. And if this pace continues into Wrestlemania, Cena will win this verbal feud.

 

[grantedisme]

How does this make up for Rock being showed up by John Cena, week in, week out? How does this sum up anything? I am a proud member of Team Bring It but Rock is simply not bringing it. He is not bringing the same passion that he did in his prime. While Rock is spending 15 minutes pandering to the crowd, Cena comes out and puts boots to asses.

CM Punk broke kayfabe in his shoot. And hell, the skyrocketed him to the number two spot in the WWE. He is the WWE champion heading into Wrestlemania. Hell, it was the most entertaining thing anyone has done in a long, long time. Was it cheap? Was it easy? That all depends on what really happened in the backstage. But you can bet money that it was entertaining. So what if Cena breaks kayfabe? If anything, this is Rock admitting he can't be as entertaining Cena. And if this pace continues into Wrestlemania, Cena will win this verbal feud.

I mostly agree with this. People saying that Cena "lost" because he "broke kayfabe" seem to just be reaching for any excuse to say that their guy "won". Breaking kayfabe isn't as easy as making an audience chant a 2-4 syllable phrase whether you're over or not, it's no cheaper than taking random shots on twitter a via satellite for an entire year (while the guy is in feuds with other people), and it is apparently entertaining a good number of people who continue to support Cena in this forum.

Don't take a tweet so seriously. Do you seriously think The Rock would ever say "naw, Cena is winning on merit" on his twitter during a feud that is being billed as "personal"?

 

[ae_wrestler123]

I mostly agree with this. People saying that Cena "lost" because he "broke kayfabe" seem to just be reaching for any excuse to say that their guy "won". Breaking kayfabe isn't as easy as making an audience chant a 2-4 syllable phrase whether you're over or not, it's no cheaper than taking random shots on twitter a via satellite for an entire year (while the guy is in feuds with other people), and it is apparently entertaining a good number of people who continue to support Cena in this forum.

Don't take a tweet so seriously. Do you seriously think The Rock would ever say "naw, Cena is winning on merit" on his twitter during a feud that is being billed as "personal"?

Rock can easily break kayfabe, talk about cena acting career (Marine 3), music, vince little dolly. Working for a paycheck. Not wrestling for free. Being hypocritical and judgemental. Pretty much like what punk did. Don't see it being too hard.

 

[grantedisme]

Rock can easily break kayfabe, talk about cena acting career (Marine 3), music, vince little dolly. Working for a paycheck. Not wrestling for free. Being hypocritical and judgemental. Pretty much like what punk did. Don't see it being too hard.

In the post you quoted from me, I didn't suggest at any point that breaking kayfabe is an arduous task. I was pointing out how I didn't think he should be dismissing Cena's mic work on such a weak basis as he did. The contention was that Cena's "breaking kayfabe" shtick is "easy, cheap, and never entertaining". While I didn't deny that it's easy, I pointed out how easy The Rock's promos have been for the last 5ish years of his work, how equally cheap The Rock has been (of which I personally would describe neither Cena nor the Rock as actually being cheap), and how fans are entertained by Cena.

That being said, while I disagree with your assessment of Cena being hypocritical for the most part, you might have inadvertently pointed out how The Rock has been hypocritical through his promos, depending on how you define the success of his movie career so far. I'm fairy certain that The Rock has, in fact, made fun of Cena's acting career, music, and working for a paycheck. If I find examples, would you be willing to admit that The Rock is just as hypocritical as you are suggesting Cena has been?

That's not to say I would expect you to change who you are rooting for in the match. After all, you like who you like, just as I like who I like.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's being reported that John Cena was involved in a car accident earlier today in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. TMZ initially reported that Cena's SUV was hit by a Honda Civic, which was then hit by a "massive big rig". However, they've ammended the report saying that Cena's vehicle wasn't struck by the tractor trailer but, instead, the Honda was struck.

Cena is said to be "OK" following the accident and says that he's "100%" according to WWE.com but he's still scheduled to be checked out by WWE medical personnel at the Wells Fargo Arena. Cena says that he does till plan to take on Mark Henry on tonight's Raw, which was announced on last week's show.

I'm guessing that none of the occupants of the other vehicles were injured as I've not run across any story saying otherwise. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone does suddenly develop a serious case of whiplash or some other injury as John Cena happened to be involved. From what I understand, the Honday was rear ended by the big rig so it wasn't Cena's fault. But if some clever shyster gets wind of this, Cena would be out some money regardless.

I hope nobody's legitimately hurt and I'm betting that Vince probably shit a solid gold brick once he heard about this, especially being so close to WrestleMania.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I know the thought probably crossed some people's mind that this is a work. I highly doubt it's a work. It will be interesting to see if they work it into the Cena-Rock storyline though. They probably won't but you never know.

Glad to see that no one got hurt.

 

[Ellye]

Thankfully no one got hurt.

I guess we'll hear a little a bit about this on RAW today, perhaps Cena will just make a quick comment to tell the crowd what happened, or the commentators will fill the viewers in. I don't expect this to be weaved in his feud at all.

I hope nobody's legitimately hurt and I'm betting that Vince probably shit a solid gold brick once he heard about this, especially being so close to WrestleMania.

Hack, I'm just a casual fan and still had a quite shocked look on my face when I saw the headline, I can't even imagine Vince's.

 

[Notorious718]

Reports are saying that Cena isn't really injured so that's awesome news if that's the case. It would suck to see him get injured especially when we consider how close we are to Wrestlemania. Just imagine the heart attack Vince McMahon would've had if Cena was actually legitimately injured. Now I'm not gonna lie, it actually did cross my mind that this was a work and it would've been interesting if it would've been incorporated into the feud. Maybe they'll still do that. Not that it really matters, I'm just happy to see that Cena isn't hurt and will be on Raw tonight.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

This was first reported on WWE.com so it could also be a work. But who would set up something like that? The most likely choice is The Rock. Maybe the WWE is planning a storyline post-Wrestlemania similar to "Who ran over Austin" back in 2000. Of course The Rock would be the major suspect because he was "afraid" of Cena and tried to get rid of him before 'Mania, but in the end it would be someone else who did all that.

It could also be an attempt by the WWE to make the fans sympathize with Cena by having him say: "I was in a car accident but I'm still here" or something like that.

But I could be overthinking and this could be a legit incident. If that's true then I hope John or anybody else who was there during the accident is ok.

 

[Rockyfolifebo!!!]

I saw the words Cena and Car accident, and my heart just sank! I'm not a huge fan of his, but I respect the hell out of him and highly anticipate his match with my favorite wrestler, The Rock, at Wresllemania. I thought he was injured or worse. Thank God nobody got hurt! It will be interesting tonight to see if this car accident will play into the storyline!

 

[Huey]

Glad to hear that everyone involved in the accident was okay. I would piss my pants if my car was smashed between an SUV and an 18 wheeler with me inside. I can imagine Vince had the same reaction when he first heard Cena was in an accident.

I can't see it being a work. They could claim he was injured and use that as an out for The Rock winning at WM, but if they're releasing info that he's okay that doesn't seem logical. If that was the plan they could just as easily have Mark Henry do a number on Cena tonight.

I expect The Rock will make a joke about the accident then say he's glad Cena is at 100 percent because he wants to beat him at his best. Cena will probably acknowledge it and say it'll take more than a tractor trailer to keep him from getting The Rock at WM. Both guys will get a little use out of it and that'll be it.

 

[TheUndertakerFTW]

My god...this is one of the reasons why I hate the IWC! One little fender bender happens and boom IT'S A WORK! Folks, do you realize shit happens? I doubt, no no HIGHLY doubt that WWE called the trucker up on the CB and said "we'll pay you $5,000 to ram a random Honda Civic into our prized possession John Cena." Come on people it's not like the SUV blew up in a parking lot with him "inside," I'm glad everyones ok, fine and good but don't jump to conclusions so fast. Enjoy RAW

 

[suleman09]

Like everyone, im glad no one was seriously hurt. Although i imagine the driver of the civic is pretty shook up. His/her car was totaled as the reports say.

Yea i'm sure Vince's heart was racing worse than ever before. Im sure he was calling Cena hundreds of times until he got ahold of him.
And it'll just be pathetic if someone finds out it was a famous guy and all of a sudden "omg because of him my neck is sprained, i want $5 million for emotional stress"

Not to make light of the situation, does anybody find it really ironic that Vince made it a strict "rule" per say, that everyone take it easy with Cena in the ring to minimize injury and not to take any unnessesary risks and then boom he gets hit by a car?

Again, glad no one was seriously injured and Cena can continue

 

[Deus1138]

How ironic is it that Vince has told everyone to be careful working in the ring with Cena, then an 18 wheeler rear ends the crap out of a car behind him, pushing it into Cena's SUV?? Cena's really damn lucky. Those big trucks don't stop on a dime and I've seen them do serious damage to car and SUV's.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

I too thought when I saw Cena was in Car accident I was like oh shit not now much like im sure Vince was. Looks like he is fine and everybody involved is fine. Good News.

 

[Pedigree1]

At first when i heard this my immediate thought was total work! Im sure rock will find a way to take a jab at this tonight! Im glad hes ok cena is one of the hardest workers and might i say one of them all time!! He always busts his ass for the company involved with make a wish and the troops.

This could have been so much worse than it is. He might be a little sore who the hell wouldnt be after getting rear ended by a tractor trailer. I hope no one else was hurt also glad everythign is ok. And no i dont think its a work just bad luck

 

[Awesome_Miz]

When I first heard of this I felt nervous. I bet Vince also got shocked.

I do hope that the people in the accident don't sue him or the WWE. I mean come on it's not even his fault.

With that said, I hope Cena is 100% tonight.

 

[mrjoe94]

When i first read the headlin e on WZ's main site I thought "Goddammit...well, I'm not totally surprised, this close to Mania". I'm not implying that I knew it would happen, but I wouldn't have had a stroke of shock if either one of them got hurt, it's terrible it happen. I do feel sorry for the Civic though. Makes me wonder, what/who could replace them if Cena was injured from this?

 

[GeneralKarim]

Glad to hear Cena is fine, damn, like someone else said, freaking ironic that Vince told people to be extra careful with Cena and then this happens.I hope we get more details on why that big ass truck or what it was hit the civic, was he drunk and just pressed on the gas too much, really curious....my gut tells me it was Rikishi ( joke done to death in comments section xD ).