Here we go...lol...
Just another post to dissect.
If Brock will do that to people that can't defend themselves, what will he do to someone who can pose a threat to him? Answer: Worse. Brock turns his aggression on and off. He never loses composure and finds ways to hurt you, hence winning the match.
Two things, replies to your first question, and then to your ending statement.
First, in reply to the Question;
If Brock will do that to people that can't defend themselves, what will he do to someone who can pose a threat to him?
The answer you're looking for is..
Not nearly as much, because they pose a threat. Duh. Lesnar was aggressive, and sadistic to (the key word you pointed out) helpless victims.. not anyone who could've defended themselves. Thus, because outside of those two individuals (the kid and the old man) Lesnar hasn't been that rough, or sadistic with anyone else.. indicating, he can't.
He can't match the same level of sadisticness against someone who can fight back.. Edge can, and will, fight back.
Now, to the statement at the end.. about how he never loses composure. Yes, he does. Yes, he has. It's happened against guys like Kurt Angle. (someone Edge has held more victories against than almost anyone else, mind you)
Edge has rattled guys like Angle, and Angle has rattled guys like Lesnar. You do the six degrees of kevin bacon.. err, separation.
That's not Brock's fault. Brock Lesnar seen an opportunity to hurt someone, and he did. He'll do the same to Edge, and with Barb Wire mind you.
He seen an opening to attack a defenseless individual. This will hardly be the same thing. Edge isn't helpless, and damn sure isn't defenseless.
Lesnar goes into this match with the mind-set
You are trying to give him, and he loses on the basis that he's going in with this delusion that he's unbeatable.. then gets beat.
I'll give it to you that Edge can be as sadistic, but it doesn't match up to Lesnar. What Lesnar can do to someone is more dangerous than what Edge can do. A conchairto can get you, but so can an F5, numerous powerbombs, and suplexes.
Once again, yes.. those things can be affective and hurt.. a lot. But you act as if Edge is just going to willingly allow Lesnar to have free will over doing all that to him.
And don't misunderstand Edge's power behind chair shots. He didn't become a master at using chairs for nothing.
No need for a direct link. Watch any of Brock's matches with the Hardy Boyz when he first debuted, and watch some of his matches with The Rock. Rock is 275, and Brock did a number on the People's Champion, something that's not been done to the Rock, by anyone.
Except; Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, The Undertaker, Hulk Hogan, Ken Shamrock, Triple H, and Mick Foley.
Oh, wait.. no.. I guess you are right.. all of those guys beat The Rock when he was still solely just a Professional Wrestler. Lesnar defeated The Rock, when he was more of a Hollywood Actor. My bad, you're right..
So that makes destroying a child, a guy close to death, and an actor. Nice accomplishments.
It is if your Brock Lesnar. If you're Edge, you're game plan would change to finding a way out of here that's not on a stretcher.
Edge's game plan wouldn't be any different than what he's done going into match-ups against the Undertaker, Kane, or anyone else bigger and stronger than he is.
And Edge's defeated all of them.. so I fail to see how Lesnar is such an impossibility. And quit using the logic that
none of those matches were barbwire. You saying that, makes it seem like Lesnar is unbeatable in barbwire matches.. when Edge, ironically..
IS undefeated in matches where barbwire has been at least used.. while Lesnar hasn't even felt what it's like yet.
Yea, no. Edge wants to win when he starts the match, but once Brock shows him the Barbed Wire a couple of times and starts just beating on Edge, then the game plan changes and Edge won't be able to take the punishment given to him by Brock.
He's taken the punishment that guys similar have given him. He's taken hell by the Undertaker. He's taking torture by the Cerebral Assassin. I'm sure he can take
The Next Big Thing as well.
And once again, you're acting as if Lesnar and barbwire are unbeatable. They aren't.. because they've never been.. and if you use the only true logic you can, Lesnar couldn't possibly win.. cause he doesn't use the environment that's surrounding him. (Look at the Hell in a Cell match, and how he avoided using the Cell)
Not against Lesnar...not with Barbed Wire
Oye.. yes, and yes. I'm just not gonna repeat myself about how Lesnar is not undefeatable just because barbwire comes into.. ah hell, I just did it.
It is when you factor in tolerance of pain. Brock Lesnar can tolerate and take more punishment than Edge. Edge's body isn't made to be thrown around and be shoved into Barbed wire. No one's is, but Brock's body could handle it better. Too big and muscular.
If you're using outside forces, then Lesnar isn't half as tough as you think he is. Nor is he as strong. I'm actually not going to get into any of this though - because as the
so-called rules state.. this tournament is strictly about their prime in Professional Wrestling.
So, it actually
is still irrelevant.
And by Wrestling terms, while I'd still give the punishment factor (as in who can take more) to Lesnar, barely. The fact is, Edge is way more resilient. He's taken huge amounts of punishment throughout his entire career.
Look at what everyone repeatedly says about Edge.. he's the uncrowned king of the gimmick match. What's a gimmick match? It's pain, it's torture, it's tolerance to taken punishment.. if Edge is it's king.. then Lesnar would be below him.
Lesnar beat an Undertaker that was on the top of his game. Deadman Inc. was the real side of Taker, Mark Calloway, and Lesnar beat the American Bad Ass down. And Edge is 6'5, 245. Edge is only smaller in weight, not height.
No, incorrect, and without question completely bogus. This is just plain and simply wrong.
The Undertaker, himself, has said in interviews and quotes (one of which is on WZ's main page - in which Taker calls the Deadman/Badass gimmick pure shit) that during that era of his career, it was awful and he was no where near his best.
Lesnar beat a shell of what the Undertaker truly is. Lesnar has never faced the true Deadman. The man with the ability to take in-human amounts of torture and pain, only to sit up and constantly play mind-games with his opponents.
Lesnar dealt with the "human" version of the Undertaker, the version that also needs to be addressed - LOST every match, excluding Wrestlemania, that was ever important. (INCLUDING a match to Mr. McMahon, in a buried alive contest!)
So no, Lesnar did most certainly NOT defeat the Undertaker everyone loves. He defeated some guy, who almost retired because what he had to deal with - was pure shit, in his OWN words.
That's no advantage. NONE of the wrestlers have dealt with the ROPES being surrounded by it. Edge touched it a little bit and controlled it. You can control being thrown into a barbed wire rope set up.
This is actually what I've been saying. NONE of the Wrestlers currently involved in this match, have dealt with the ropes being replaced by barbwire.. yet Edge has at least dealt with barbwire, as a whole. Lesnar has not.
Lesnar's mind won't be fully focused on Edge, purely because part of it will question how that first initial contact with the barbwire will be like. Edge already knows, thus he can focus fully on Lesnar.. and helping him, quicker, to understand the true pain that barbwire is.
Fair enough. But those were two brutal shots, no matter who they came from. And a chair shot is a chair shot, and Edge's chair shots are no worse than Matt or Jeff's.
Try explaining that to Ric Flair, during the Rated R.K.O period.. when Edge bashed in Flair's skull, and wore his blood as a symbol of accomplishment.
Edge's chair shots are the most extreme chair shots around, with exception to Balls Mahoney (Mike Awesome or Tanaka) whom none of which are in this match.. thus, Edge's chair shots are very damaging, and definitely worse than either of what the Hardy's could dish out.
Wasn't enough to win wasn't it? And against a man who was beaten by Brock Lesnar. Brock matched the intensity of Taker and beat him at his own game. Edge wasn't up to snuff with Taker OR Brock in a real match.
Edge defeated the Undertaker countless times before this match, though. Including defeating the Undertaker in a match that is more important than any other a Wrestler could have.. one in which their career is on the line.
Edge
ended the Undertaker's career.. only to watch his bitch Wife bring Taker back, and punish her cheating Husband by way of Hell in a Cell.
Yes, Edge lost.. no secret.. but Edge's victories over Taker over-shadow his loss and subsequent trip to hell. (that he also over-came.. let's see Lesnar do THAT! Lesnar couldn't even overcome a trip to Minnesota.
)
Brock didn't need the weapons. He used his power and meanness to beat up people, but in a Barbed Wire ring, how can Brock NOT use that as a weapon?
That's just it though.. in a Hell in a Cell, you'd have assumed there'd be no way he could avoid using the Cell.. but somehow he did. Lesnar is a mat technician. Thus, he'll try to center Edge in the middle of the ring.
He won't want any part of getting near the barbwire. Sure, he might wanna send Edge into it.. but Edge's entire game plan will revolve around making sure Lesnar feels it just as much, if not way more.
Whereas Lesnar's game plan will be to out-wrestle, and out-power his opponent - in the center of the ring.
Not for Edge. Not against Lesnar
Yes for Edge. Yes against Lesnar.
Against a man who was past his prime, and who needed the weapons just to compete with Edge. Brock doesn't even need the weapons, but will use them.
You'd think so, but he truly hasn't any other time he's had the opportunity for the most part.
It's not an Inferno match. it's Barbed wire.
Edge is sadistic enough to attempt lighting the barbwire on fire, then Spearing Lesnar into it.. Mick Foley style.
And Lesnar will take it.. like the bitch that he is.
I know Edge will have some advantages in the match and may even send Brock into the barbed wire a few times. But this will only piss Lesnar off. Edge would freak out in Barbed wire, Lesnar would try to rip it off of him.
Again, you don't know that. You only assume, based purely off Lesnar's aggression. You haven't truly seen Lesnar in a role where he's been dominated.
Before I get replies of
You see, that's because there haven't been any! Uhm.. no.. it's because most of the time, people don't try to punish Lesnar, they just beat him when the opportunity arises.
:O There's that word again.. Opportunity.. and that's the key. Edge won't waste time testing how Lesnar reacts to barbwire, he'll just beat him when the opening suits the situation. And there will always be openings.
Who can deal more punishment? Answer: Lesnar.
Who has withstood more punishment in hardcore elements? Answer: Edge.
Your point? Lesnar is a truck, Edge is a wall..
Go find a truck, drive it into a wall.. the truck won't run any more without repairing it.. the wall, depending on how strong it is, might still be standing. Regardless of how much punishment the truck gave it.
Null and void. Edge is NOT a small wrestler.
Well he's hardly Lesnar's size, now is he?
And he point is.. Edge is similar in size to the likes of Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, and Van Dam.. all of which, have defeated Lesnar.
Not against Brock. The opportunity will be long gone.
Ugh.. it's like banging my head against a brick wall with this one. This is like the 4856498707009730967307 time you've used this unprovable point. Stop it, already.
I've never seen Edge win a match with a simple roll-up. Brock can do so many things to hurt Edge and Brock is just as crafty as Edge.
Lesnar isn't as crafty as Edge, because he doesn't have to be. That much I give Lesnar, his brute strength wins him matches.. he isn't a thinker, he's a brawler, a fighter.
But thinkers beat brawlers, a lot more than brawlers beat thinkers.
Well...Edge does stand a fighting chance...but it's not a good one against Brock Lesnar.
It's like you said..
Not against Brock. The opportunity will be long gone.
.. all over again.