ECW Regular Wrestling Match: Brock Lesnar vs. Jushin Thunder Liger

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ECW Rules Match - Jushin Liger vs Brock Lesnar

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  1. Uncle Sam

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    Didn't cost him many in the WWE. Or NJPW. The only one I can think of is Frank Mir, and I'm not really sure if that counts.

    So many things I could say here:
    1) Yeah, Taker's better - Blunt, rude, yet kinda true.
    2) Yeah, Taker's lost to fewer jobbers - still blunt, still true.
    3) Yeah, Liger doesn't have a gimmick on his side - less blunt, still true.

    I'll go for number three.

    Lesnar is a six foot, three inch, 265 pound monster that's matched Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit hold for hold. I reckon that Liger, with a lot of difficulty, could hit a Liger bomb, but I don't see the opportunity arising. If it did, people have kicked out of it before. And a roll up isn't going to worry him nearly as much as it would most big men.

    Who's to say that Lesnar wouldn't roll Liger up? He's got leverage, weight and power on his side, after all. Though I'm making it seem a lot more even than I honestly believe it would be.
     
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  2. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    I was typing up a reply to this post, but I accidentally exited out of it. I'll try again.

    Brock Lesnar can take chair shots, superkicks, and 175 pound men falling onto him from ten feet in the air and not blink an eye. I've seen Liger's palm thrust and I was impressed. The guy that Liger hit sold the heck out of it. Lesnar has a tendency to no-sell things. That isn't unprofessional; it's just the way he is. Brock Lesnar is tough. He doesn't stay down for things like palm thrusts.

    As for kicks, RVD is a black-belt martial artist. His kicks are much more devastating than Liger's. I'm not going to discount Liger in any way, but he can't kick like a Rob Van Dam.

    As for the Floyd Mayweather comparison, I was going to say that you're not a trained fighter.

    Regardless of what he did, there was no consequence for his actions. Lesnar still, even though caught off guard, recovered and turned Mysterio into a baseball bat.

    Feigning ignorance does work. It makes you spend time re-posting the information, and if you don't, then there will be voters who will not see that information and vote Lesnar. Though, they should vote Lesnar anyway.

    If you can make assumptions that Liger won't do this and Liger won't do that, then I can tell you that Lesnar won't be so kind as Samoa Joe. When Liger is yelling at Lesnar, Lesnar will punch him in the mouth. Of course, who's to say it gets to that point? I say that Lesnar doesn't bother with a shoulder block in the first place. I say that Lesnar catches Liger and suplexes him half-way across the ring.

    But, for the sake of argument, say Liger trips Lesnar and gets him down. Lesnar is a former NCAA champion in wrestling, so he is very, very capable of wrestling on the mat. Before you say that we can't use his college background as an argument, I remember the announcers, on more than one occasion, bringing up his amateur career at the University of Minnesota. Liger cannot compete with Lesnar on the ground. He mat be well versed in mat wrestling, but Lesnar is stronger, larger, and more experienced on the ground.

    That's a good argument. I won't pretend that Lesnar isn't susceptible to getting his leg, or arm, or shoulder worked over. Every wrestler is, including Brock Lesnar and Jushin Liger.

    What more is there to say about Brock Lesnar? He's strong as an ox, quick as a cat, clever as a fox, and tough as steel and as dangerous as Al Capone with an AK-47.

    I took what you were saying in the wrong way. I apologize. I understand that Liger may have this huge desire to win, but heart only gets you so far. Matt Hardy had a never say die attitude but he never got past the mid-card with that.

    Again, these low kicks are from a martial artist. Liger is no such thing. I have no doubt in my mind that he is capable of kicking Lesnar in the leg, but it won't have the same effect.

    You talk as though Liger never makes a mistake in the ring, as though he is so much smarter than all his opponents, and that he is perfect in the execution of everything he does. Everyone makes mistakes in the ring, some more than others. The slightest mistake could be detrimental to Liger.

    Paul Heyman was in Brock Lesnar's corner for much of his career. Heyman is also the head of E.C.W. He can do whatever he wants to help out Brock Lesnar here. If, and I mean if, Brock Lesnar were in trouble, Heyman can pull the leg of the referee, hit Liger with a chair, begin refereeing himself, or do whatever really.

    I don't want to use that argument, though. I believe that Lesnar can defeat Liger without any interference or help.

    When has Rob Van Dam ever won a match by striking? He goes up top to finish off opponents. Whenever he tried that, Lesnar punished him for it.

    Inexperience didn't stop him from defeating Rob Van Dam, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, John Cena, The Rock, Kurt Angle, The Big Show, and Jeff Hardy. Brock Lesnar is not inexperienced. Just becuase Liger has had a 20 year career does not mean he has this huge experience advantage over Lesnar. Brock Lesnar has faced and defeated the best wrestlers the W.W.E. has had to offer this decade.

    Overconfidence may affect him some in this match, but if it does, I am confident that Lesnar can recover, if it were to hurt him in the match at all.

    Jeff Hardy is a former WWE heavyweight champion. Liger has never been a heavyweight champion in any promotion. He's been a large-ish fish in the cruiserweight pond. Then again, maybe he isn't that big a fish. He's lost to the likes of Brian Pillman and Juventud Guerrera.

    But Lesnar has defeated better opponents than Jushin Liger and better than Jushin Liger has beaten. Brock Lesnar has been in Hell in a Cell, Ironman, Stretcher, Handicap, No DQ, Battle Royal, Triple Threat, and Biker Chain matches. He's defeated opponents of all shapes, sizes, styles, and colors. Brock Lesnar has seem plenty.

    Show me one example of Brock Lesnar losing by roll-up.

    See: Above.

    Even so, it shows that Lesnar can dominate someone the size of Liger. It's been said that he's had trouble with Light-Heavyweights. I beg to differ. The only match he lost to a Light-Heavyweight was due to a spear by Goldberg.

    Magnum TA was a good wrestler. He had the talent and the look to be a world champion. Unfortunately, he was injured in a car accident that ended his career before he could get into the main event. Jeff Hardy is a good wrestler, but he wouldn't give Lesnar too much of a challenge. I'm just saying that Lesnar won't be unprepared.

    Mark Henry is shit.

    What do you mean? He certainly stopped Rey Mysterio from executing his aerial moves. When Mysterio jumped off of something, Lesnar caught him and threw him.

    :lmao: Most people vote for Liger because he is from Japan. Most people that vote against people like The Rock and Brock Lesnar is because they left the business and you're spiteful.

    Brock Lesnar was the better professional wrestler. Vote Lesnar.

    :lmao: He hasn't ever been in the main event of a Pay Per View. He's been in the third match for the E.C.W. championship, but if you consider that the main event, then I shouldn't even bother to reply to this.

    He was well on his way to winning that match, though, until Goldberg stuck his large nose into Brock Lesnar's business.

    See: Kurt Angle.

    For a while, it was anti-Lesnar, not pro-Liger. The arguments that Liger should win because Lesnar left the company and flipped off the fans were horrible.

    He was convinced by a terrible argument.

    Did Lesnar lose that match? I don't know, as I can't see the video. I would spend more time on this post, but my laptop is dying and I want to address LigerBomb.

    I didn't expect different.

    • See, we're already disagreeing. I don't think that Liger has the tools to beat Lesnar.
    • Brock Lesnar, too, has experience. He's competed in Stretcher matches and in Hell in a Cell. I listed more above. Then again, I don't see why experience in hardcore matches matter. It's not hard to pick up a chair and swing it. I say that Brock Lesnar has the advantage in the hardcore department. He can take chair shots and keep on rolling.
    • Non-kayfabe, I respect Lesnar for following his dream. He had the world handed to him in WWE, but he didn't love the business. I applaud him for taking a chance to do what he's always dreamed of doing. You can't hold that against him.
    • Brock Lesnar is my favorite wrestler and has been since 2003.
    • I never had the opportunity to see Lesnar live. I went to my first live show in 2005. But, whatever. That doesn't matter. His match with Goldberg is what I remember most from my first WrestleMania. I cried when he left... Hey! I was like, 11.

    I can't say anything here. That's how you choose to vote and it's fine by me. I tend to vote kayfabe, although I've made a few exceptions for my favorite wrestlers thus far. In this case, my favorite wrestler would win in a match.

    If I were to vote with my heart, I'd vote Brock. I like Lesnar better, I've spent money on his shirts and I even bought a UFC PPV to watch him. He's entertained me more. I'm opposite of you. Liger is the one that I'm not entertained me. I haven't gone out of my way to see the guy and I haven't spent money on him. He doesn't do anything for me.

    Vote Lesnar.
     
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  3. gd

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    Yes, but it still is a disadvantage for him in this match.

    No, that doesn't count.


    Overall Taker may be better, but Liger is much different. Taker went into the match tryin to overpower Lesanr, something that Liger won't do.

    Like take, Liger has also beaten some of the best wrestlers in the world.

    Actually, the gimmick may favor Liger as he has been very effective with weapons.


    If Liger hits the Liger Bomb, it wouldn't be until after he had worn Lesnar down a significant amount, making a 3 count much more likely.

    The roll up is most effective when the opponent isn't looking for it.

    Lesnar would never go for a roll up on Liger because of his ego. He would want to overpower Liger, not make himself look weak by rolling up a smaller man.
     
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  4. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    Lesanr was dominating that match up until Goldberg Speared Lesnar, I highly doubt Goldberg is sitting at ringside for this match too, if he were than maybe this argument would be relevant

    Please show me where Lesnar has ever gone into a match witha smaller guy and lost because he was rusty from squashing jobbers:rolleyes:

    While you're looking for the match Lesnar lost due to being rusty from a recent jobber squashing, perhaps you can also find one were he loses due to being overconfident, and the match with Eddie doesn't count, cause as has been pointed god knows how many fucking times by now, he only lost that match due to Goldbergs interference

    Yes, he will

    Gonna be hard to get that quick roll up when Lesnar is pounding the shit out of him though, also it's not like Lesnar doesn't have to power to kick out of any kind of roll up that Liger would get him in

    Lesnar wins this, I still have yet to see one single argument that would legitimately suggest otherwise
     
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  5. Cena's Little Helper

    Cena's Little Helper Mid-Card Championship Winner

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    I've already had two of Lesnar's biggest fans on this board come in and say that I have put forward plausible arguments. Am I going to sway them? Hell no. But, have I made them see that arguments for Liger winning this match can be made? Yes.

    So, please, explain yourself. There's nothing on this site that you have posted that makes me think that I should take your word as bond.

    I'm seriously contemplating whether I should add "90% of Uncle Sam's Arguments on The WrestleZone Forums" as a third example.

    No, I didn't ignore it all. It's something that I've already answered in a previous thread. But, I guess that I'll have to answer it again here. Yes, Liger has lost to what you refer to as "bottom of the barrel wrestlers" in the States. But, show me someone that he didn't either beat in return or initially. Almost every time, Liger beats his opponents in their initial match-up. Why should I think things should be any different here? I've already outlined how Liger would go about in a match with Lesnar and I've already discussed his motivation.

    Have no clue what you're saying with your first three sentences. And, actually, RVD wouldn't have needed to go to the top rope to beat Lesnar. As I already stated before, he was doing fine by just using strikes. Why should a smart, patient, and strategic wrestler like Liger go to the ropes like RVD? Because the WWE dictates that it be so? We're not in WWE...we're in ECW, where RVD might have had some of those "obscure matches" that you refer to.

    Nothing in this Tournament says that matches have to be short and to the point. I know for a fact that Liger would never be able to beat Lesnar in a short match, as he wouldn't be able to dispose of him so easily without taking dangerous risks. If anything, this would be a long, drawn-out match, with a very wary Liger taking extreme precautions.

    And, as I said before, you have posted nothing on this site that makes me think your word is bond.

    What, so there are deadlines here at WZ? It's not like I posted my response after an unreasonable length of time. You asked to give my reasons, and I did. You not checking back is on you, not me. My post is there, and refutes any points that you may have had quite well, at least in my opinion.

    You mean this post?

    Yeah, guilty as charged on this one. I don't know I if I've used the "sarcasm" card more than once on you, but, if I have, that still wouldn't mean that that's what most of my responses to you consist of. Why don't you go ahead and take a look at the post I responded to? If that wasn't sarcastic, then there's clearly something wrong with my head.
     
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  6. Hyorinmaru

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    You guys are acting like Liger has never wrestled people Brock's size before. I hate to burst your bubble but he has. He spent a good portion of the year 2000 wrestling just Heavyweights due to New Japan not putting the spotlight in the Jr heavyweights for a while. He has wrestled people Brock's size in the past and he has beat them. This match would be no different and due to his experience Liger would win.

    Vote Liger
     
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  7. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    Firstly, tell me who these people that Liger has faced and beaten are, then I will tell you why they aren't near Lesnar's quality. Jushin Liger is good, but Lesnar is a beast of a man. Brock Lesnar is a better mat wrestler, a stronger wrestler, a tougher wrestler, and, dare I say, a smarter wrestler. Brock graduated from one of America's prestigious universities. Did Jushin Liger go to college? Who knows. Actually, that's a silly argument. I'm not going to bank on that one. But the fact of the matter is, Brock Lesnar is better than Jushin Liger in every single physical category, save for speed, but he hardly gives up anything there. Brock Lesnar is the perfect wrestler.

    Edit: I missed where you said that Liger's experience would win him the match. Hulk Hogan had plenty of experience when he faced a Brock Lesnar that was only a few months into his career but the result was the same as all of Brock Lesnar's other matches up to that point. It ended with Hulk Hogan knocked out on the canvas and Lesnar standing tall. This would be no different.
     
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  8. Slyfox696

    Slyfox696 Excellence of Execution

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    You seem to think that Lesnar was actually good. That's where you keep making your mistake.

    You mean when Hulk Hogan was 51 years old?

    Yeah, great point. :rolleyes:

    We're talking about Liger in his prime here. There's no way you can compare a 51 year old in the twilight of his career to Jushin Liger in his prime, even if it is Hulk Hogan.
     
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  9. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    Well then, what about The Rock? The Rock was 30 years old in August, 2002 when Brock Lesnar left him bloodied and beaten. The Rock had been in countless matches and had faced everyone the company had to offer. A green Brock Lesnar destroyed him.

    Besides, it was a better Hogan than the one that defeated Shawn Michaels a few years later and it was a Hulk Hogan who had just defeated Triple H, clean, for the Undisputed Championship.
     
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  10. Slyfox696

    Slyfox696 Excellence of Execution

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    So what? Rock was getting ready to leave, so of course the WWE had Rock lay down for him.

    But, that's not happening here. Liger's not going to lay down for Lesnar like Rock did, he's going to go in there, beat him with his speed, skill and experience. Oh, and the fact he's just infinitely better in the ring.
     
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  11. Shock

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    Becca, you know I love you, but stop hating on Liger because he beat HBK. I love HBK too. This is nowhere easy to vote on, and I'll have to disagree. Liger in his prime was certainly impressive enough to defeat Lesnar. People here seem to think that if someone can't dominate someone else, they can't win either. Sure, Liger wouldn't dominate. Far from it. But Jushin Liger would sure be good enough to beat Lesnar. You can count on it.

    Vote Liger.
     
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  12. Hyorinmaru

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    I could have beaten Hogan in that match. Liger in his prime could beat Brock. Brock was only pushed because he had the look Vince loses his Shit over. He really wasn't that good. All Liger would have to do is watch some previous Lesnar matches and know what Brock would do and then he would come up with ways to block it and win.
     
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  13. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    The Rock actually stayed around for another eight months. We don't know that it was even decided that Rocky would be pursuing a different career yet.

    Brock Lesnar faced The Rock. Regardless of his contract situation, it was still The Rock and The Rock did not lay down for him. Brock Lesnar just beat him. Like I've said before, Lesnar hardly gives anything up in speed and his inexperience didn't do a thing in his matches with Hogan, Rocky, and The Undertaker. Liger is infinitely better in the ring? Sure, he can do a better Shooting Star Press, but if he really was better in the ring, Liger wouldn't lose to the likes of Brian Pillman and Juventud in his prime.
     
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  14. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    Yet you, like most other Liger supporters, simply say that Liger is good and Brock is overrated. That is a terrible argument. Brock Lesnar is physically superior to Jushin Liger in every way. He's beaten higher quality opponents and lost far less frequently. This shouldn't even be close.

    Hulk Hogan could still kick your ass.

    Why does it matter why Brock was pushed? All that matters is that he was. It doesn't matter if Lesnar was boring in the ring or whatever. No matter what he looks like in the ring, he won his matches and he won them convincingly.

    You act as if Lesnar can't scout Liger? Lesnar has a lot more tape to watch of Liger than Liger does of Lesnar. And if Liger were able to figure out Lesnar's strategy, it wouldn't matter. You cannot block brute force.
     
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  15. justinsayne

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    The experience argument doesn't really work here, pretty much every single guy Lesnar has faced has had years more experience than him, Hogan had like 20 years experience, Brock beat him, Taker had 12 years experience, Brock beat him, Angle had 5 years experience, Brock beat him, I could go one with guys like Rock, Benoit, Big Show Flair, RVD, Mysterio, and others, all of them had well over a decade of experience and Brock beat every damn one of them
     
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  16. Slyfox696

    Slyfox696 Excellence of Execution

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    Proving that Liger is a far superior wrestler is a terrible argument? I hope all Brock supporters aren't like you...at least give the guy a chance.

    And Sean Stasiak is superior to Shawn Michaels in every way. Would you want to place your money on Stasiak over Michaels?

    Because your argument is terrible, and the only, and I mean ONLY, thing you can argue is that Brock was chosen by the WWE to win matches. When your only argument is that someone else decided he should win, then it certainly matters why he was pushed.

    Yes, it does matter.

    Not everyone is as narrow minded as you are in this thing. This isn't a "kayfabe only" tournament, we are also including overall ability and skill, and Liger is so far superior to Lesnar it's not even funny.

    And there's no substitute for experience.

    I can throw around cliches as well.
     
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  17. Hyorinmaru

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    Wrestlers who use Brute Force against smaller opponents make stupid mistakes and lose the match. Brock would get cocky because he was facing a smaller guy and think he can push him around and win the match whenever he wanted to. He would make a mistake the Liger would then capitalize on and win the match
     
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  18. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    You're basing your whole argument on chance. Brock Lesnar might get cocky and if he does then he might make a mistake that Liger could be able to capitalize on and it might hurt Lesnar in the match. Have you thought about what happens if Liger makes a mistake? You may say that Liger rarely makes mistakes. I'll turn that one around on you. You guys seem to think that Brock Lesnar is this stupid guy that makes mistakes all the time and takes his opponents lightly. Please, I beg of you, give me an example. It does not happen often.
     
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  19. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    I have said multiple times in this thread that Jushin Liger is a good wrestler.

    Maybe in a brawl.

    Jushin Liger was chosen to win matches in NJPW. It's no different.

    What is the point of the hometowns, gimmicks, and such, then?

    Brock Lesnar has experience beating some of the biggest names in the industry, far bigger names than those Liger has beaten. You're acting as though Brock Lesnar has never set foot in a ring.
     
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  20. Hyorinmaru

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    No Brock will get cocky, he does it every time. have you ever seen a Lesnar match? he gets in the ring with a smaller guy than him, he gets cocky because they aren't as big as him and he makes a mistake that costs him.

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    I know this match was already posted but it proves my point. Brock gets cocky and it costs him. The only reason Mysterio didn't win is because they wanted to further the Lesnar Big Show feud they had going.

    In closing Mysterio would have won, Liger WILL win
    Most every Brock Supporter is acting like American wrestling is the end all be all in the industry. Brok has beaten some of the best in the USA. Liger has beaten some of the best in Japan. They're pretty even in this regard.

    I'm still voting Liger though
     
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  21. Slyfox696

    Slyfox696 Excellence of Execution

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    Well, I'm glad, because I've said many times in this thread that Lesnar is a mediocre.

    We're both right.

    Never.

    I'm not the one basing his ENTIRE argument over who chose a wrestler to win the matches. That's you.

    And Brock wrestles like he hasn't. It works out perfectly.
     
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  22. 48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You

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    I'm eating dinner and I'll respond to the first part of your post afterwards.

    To me, America is the be all, end all of professional wrestling. Japanese wrestling is almost entirely different. It's more of a sport to them, where as it's entertainment here. I don't care for Japanese wrestling.

    I do realize that Liger has beaten some of the best Japan had to offer, but in his prime, he was restricted to fighting light weights. In Japan, they try to be more realistic. Small guys get squashed by big guys. Small guys aren't even allowed to fight big guys because they cannot compete with them. So, Liger became a big fish in the pond of cruisers, but never cut it in the heavyweight pond. Lesnar immediately became the biggest fish in the pond that Liger never was able to make it in once he went to Japan.
     
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  23. LigerBomb

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    Ok first the strike is impressive... not because it's real, or because Liger a strong well versed martial artist executed it well but because the other guy Kayfabe sold it well... Then Lesnar is tough not because he kayfabe no sells but because he just really is tough... It's stuff like this that makes this tourney... difficult. In the very same paragraph if not sentence people are debating the damage strikes did/do/could do, and the punishment wrestlers can/could/did take back and forth in and out of kayfabe simultaneously... Which is it? Brock was booked to no-sell to build his monster character reputation. Either the palm thrust hurts cause it's a powerful strike connecting to a human skull or its a devastating move that gets sold well... either way your argument is it wont hurt Brock because either A. In Kayfabe Land his head is some kind of non-bone alloy thats impervious to applied force hence the no sell... or B cause he just no sells for real cause he's just that tough... with BS ike that he's damn near Superman in and out of the ring real or fake.... Problem is as Sly said eventuall monsters get less monstrous.... Kane, Show, Andre, Umaga, Khali, etc etc etc. You build up a monster to make money on the rise and then get a babyface over and make more money on the monster's fall. Liger is David Lesnar is Goliath especially in ECW where the booking was 180 degrees from normal... I wouldn't fly a guy in from Japan just to have him get squashed by the apparently superhuman, no selling green monster will do.
    And you know this because you have taken kicks from both men? As a martial artist who has fought black belts as a yellow belt I can say that while I lacked technique and finesse I was powerful enough to kick my opponents out of the ring -or circle as it were- countless times. That said this is to even assume that Liger is a know nothing white belt... The man studied in various dojos all throughout Japan... c'mon now, he knows how to execute a friggin' kick effectively.
    Ok lets play... I say Liger comes out as Kishin style, mists Lesnar in the face, kicks him in the nuts -he does have human nuts right? Or do his testicles no sell as well?- get Lesnar on his knees, does a running Shotei thrust, Liger bombs him and gets the 123...
    Power is mainly a product of leverage, when you're both on the ground and/or when your opponent is above you you can be a power output disadvantage. Also lets not forget that Liger also wrestled free style for a number of years and was quite accomplished, in addition he has a long history in martial arts that Lesnar has no experience defending against, it would not be impossible for Liger to get Lesnar down with that drop toe hold and then applie a kimura, heel hook, key lock, choke, etc etc You yourself say " I won't pretend that Lesnar isn't susceptible to getting his leg, or arm, or shoulder worked over. Every wrestler is, including Brock Lesnar and Jushin Liger."
    ...Ok and Liger is the Thunderous God of all Beasts... yay hyperbole
    Yea he also isn't nearly the worker Liger is, is held back mostly due to his minimal mic skills and more over brother etc etc... Apples and oranges.
    Why is he not a martial artist? What else do you call a man that has trained in various styles of martial arts in revered dojos all across Japan other than a martial artist?
    And can be equally detrimental to Lesnar unless where adding perfection to his list of Kayfabe superpowers...
    Likewise Heyman was the guy who screwed over Brock a bunch too. So he may just want to do it again and give Liger the ol' 123 for pure spite.
    No we can thank WWE booking for those wins.
    In what universe does 20 years of doing something successfully not lend itself to experience over doing something marginally well for 2? Oh I forgot, the WWE Universe. Whoops, good thing this match is in ECW. Your statement makes no sense.
    glad your confidence in his harmful overconfidence and recovery is strong. I'm confident Liger could use Lesnar's overconfidence to his advantage and get a win.
    Actually that would be true if he lost immediately after the Goldberg spear... in actuality its more accurate to say that he didn't win because of a Goldberg spear -even though the ref was still knocked out long after Lesnar recovered from the spear-, and lost because Eddie reversed an F5 attempt into a Swinging DDT and then landed a Frog Splash to get the 123.
    In no way shape or form is that true, whether we're talking drawing power, championships, number of fans, longevity, in ring ability, booking a division, etc etc etc
    Actually as I said the ref took a large bump and was out for a long while before and after the Goldberg spear. And also as I said Goldberg's spear didn't beat Lesnar... Guerrero's DDT reversal and frog splash beat Lesnar
    Actually not horrible just not what you like to see. This contest is based on whatever the voters want to base it on. Perhaps some don't want an ingrate and 2 year flash in the pan to not get voted as the best Pro Wrestler of all time -least till next years tourney-, and will make their choices based on something other than "never lose" booking (like match quality and career longevity for example)
    Hooray now we get to speak -somewhat-directly.
    why ever respond to that part of my message? It was a such a non issue yet you address it like it was some bold proclamation of stupid loyalty in the face of certain defeat... I was just saying... I'm voting for Liger, and here's why.
    • Liger has the best of both worlds he has all the strengths of a cruiser weight, yet he is also strong and powerful, has exceptional mat wrestling ability that cruiser weights normally don't, the strikes of a (powerful) martial artist, and non of the slowness and weaknesses of the big slow guys. He's basically the most complete guy you can find
      Yea but does he have experience with barbed wire, knives, forks, and all the other standard things that a Japanese hardcore match has? Wait I guess it doesn't matter cause he can rely on his good ol' power of no selling...
      Actually I could, in fact maybe I'm doing it right now, actually I could give a fuck about his dreams to fail at football, but like Stone Cold I can see he's a flash in the pan and not want him to go over someone who is more worthwhile to the business...
      Bully for you.
      I remember Eddie and Chris celebrating in the ring as champions but to each his own. And yea I would guess only an 11 yr. old could watch Lesnar's stuff and care about it like it mattered. Sorry that was a low blow but too easy to not do. Apologies once again.
    Actually he just may lose.
    That's a shame he's one of the legends of the sport.

    Or vote Liger...
     
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  24. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    Excellent post by LigerBomb, but there's no reason that Lesnar will fall to Liger. Brock Lesnar is a decorated athlete. Sure he didn't wrestle in the WWE too long and he was hyped through the moon, and some say he's a douche for the way he left wrestling. But it's like this. Lesnar is a man who can adapt to any situation. Last time I checked, he is the current UFC Heavyweight Champion. UFC is real fighting. Liger is dangerous. He's a skilled martial artist and can take you down with stiff strikes, but he's more prone to manhandle cruiserweights. Lesnar is nearly 290 lbs. Lesnar is agile, trained at numerous forms of combat, and is capable of beating up someone.

    This match is ECW rules, which means weapons can be brought in to play. Another thing that will simply offset itself because both Lesnar and Liger are sadistic enough to use weapons on each other. Liger is a legend, and has experience in wrestling, but Lesnar is a pure athlete who can hang with anyone in any ring. Brock also wrestled in Japan, too. It's not like he can't adapt to Liger's wrestling style. Liger would go over HBK because the size difference isn't too fast. But there's no way Liger can man handle Lesnar and get him in a Liger Bomb.

    Brock Lesnar will win this match because Lesnar is bigger, stronger, and can take shots, too. Liger had a great run, but it ends with Lesnar.
     
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  25. Shadowmancer

    Shadowmancer I am The Last Baron

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    This match is normal rules that means that there is a DQ ability there is a ring count. It is a standard match not an ECW match. No weapons allowed, managers interfere they get ejected. I have been swayed by the striking argument for this match, I was leaning Lesnar in this match until the striking argument came up. Liger is quick enough to run that kind of offence/defense against Lesnar. Liger has also been portrayed as being smarter than what RVD was portrayed as at that time of the match at King of the Ring. The rey Mysterio match again gives a solid ground for Liger to have a chance in this match. Liger is far and away better than Rey and RVD. So With the striking style offense occurring throughout the match I can see a win etched out by Liger through a roll up of Lesnar.
     
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