WWE General Complaints Thread

[Pink Hole Slam]

It is annoying to see guys like Punk (flames people on twitter) and on air heels (Big Show and The Miz) making appearances for this thing. On screen talent shouldn't be doing this. If you want to run this campaign have Vince, Stephanie, or Triple H show up at schools. Don't send heels who are being bullies or guys with egos the size of a planet to do this.

 

[JaceEvans]

Don't send heels who are being bullies or guys with egos the size of a planet to do this

It's funny you say that as any wrestler at anytime could be a heel. The B.A. Star program is a joke, It's like The KKK spearheading a program that supports minority's, The definition of hypocrisy. I know there coming from a good place when they instituted this program, but if anyone in the program actually watches wrestling they know it's a shame. I think they should just drop this program and start another organization that benefits kid's. There are so many more important problems facing youth today then bullying. How about drug resistance with CM Punk as your face, or Childhood obesity with John Cena showing you how to get in your exercising? Any of those would be fine and I'm sure no one will have a problem with it.

 

[IrishSpring]

Geezus christ can anyone pick such a stupid topic to whine about....These kids are obviously more intelligent then you they know it's fake...WTF should they stop the Kids don't try this at home campaign also...Idiotic whining about absolute bullshit. If your kids are to fucking stupid to understand that it's fake then don't let them fucking watch it. Simple case closed.

 

[JaylisJayP]

The biggest head-shaking moment of this entire thing for me was on Monday when they had Cena and Big Show in the ring. Mind you this was during a show where they had the whole Be A Star spot a little earlier on the broadcast.

Cena, whose audience is CHILDREN and everyone knows that's his major audience, makes a fat joke. "Next you're going to blame McDonald's for having a sale on McNuggets!"

To me, that line alone is worse than anything else that can be construed as contradictory to their Be A Star campaign. It has NOTHING to do with kids realizing or not realizing it's fake. They hear a funny line that they can use at another kid's expense and they remember it.

What do you think every fat kid in camp and school is going to start hearing from kids bullying them now? Yeah, exactly. Well done, Cena/WWE.

 

[The_Irish_Warrior]

Dude I'm sorry but this thread is a joke, WWE has every right to be a part of be a star because believe or not they actually want to help people. Who are you to crap all over that. Yes what Vince done was unacceptable and damn stupid but he is friends with Jim Ross and how do you know Jim Ross wasn't laughing about it. The thing you don't understand is the WWE will always have some sort of bullying on screen because they are a wrestling company and thats what happens. The please don't try this at home isn't just for the wrestling its for kids to understand that just because on air persona's ''bully'' doesn't mean they have to. I don't see you complaining about a movie or tv show with bullying so quit whining.

 

[Y2JBL]

I find it funny that people would even go so far to say "WWE was coming from a good place when they instituted this program" and "believe it or not they actually want to help people". I don't buy it for a second. They are just trying to improve their public image, mainly for Linda's campaign as always. WWE/Vince is never about doing anything that doesn't mainly help them. You think if Linda could get away with not being associated with WWE and they could run the raunchiest program ever, or at least not waste money and time sending talent out to BeAStar rallies, that they would still do it just from the bottom of their heart?

The comments about Vickie or making fun of other talent is one thing, but Vince having to take yet another shot at JR was just stupid. I actually thought they were trying to make up for all the times they've crapped all over JR on the past RAW when Cena was dumping BBQ sauce all over Cole and making Cole apologize to JR in front of the world. I thought this was a nod to JR to apologize for all the times they've insulted him. Then what happens? Vince comes back and they insert a totally useless segment of Vince making fun of him backstage.

JR seems to have the same mindset of a battered woman in a bad relationship. He was just on Twitter today being asked if he ever got an offer from WCW during the Monday Night Wars and he said "Nope, not interested, I'm loyal to WWE". He has tried to laugh off the segment that happened with Vince when anyone brings it up. It's pathetic. Who the hell wants to collect a paycheck from someone who doesn't respect them? I'd be so happy for JR if he left or decided to help another company where he will get ten times more respect. But all he cares about is being able to pimp his BBQ sauce through WWE shop. It's sad. I wouldn't work for a boss who spit in my face every couple of weeks and made jokes about me, much less in a position where it's on national television. JR is a little bitch to keep putting up with this. Sure it's all for entertainment and other talent get ripped on too but nobody has ever been a target as much as JR.

Younger kids are the one bracket of WWE fans who may not yet understand that what they see on the show is fake, so yes I do think it sends a confusing message to have this BeAStar campaign and then allow bullying on WWE programming. Some people say it's impossible not to on a wrestling show, but sure it is, you base the storylines and the "insults" around competition and talent, stop insulting people's physiques, stop having storylines where a woman farts uncontrollably, stop having the head of your company making fun of partial facial paralysis. You really expect grammar school aged kids to see Vince contorting his face to mimic JR and have the intelligence to think to themselves "well this is a scripted TV show. I know WWE doesn't support bullying. I'm gonna go to school tomorrow and be nice to everyone". Hell no. Someone else mentioned it's up to the parents to watch TV with their kid and tell them what is right and wrong and I agree with that 100%, but unfortunately most parents don't care, these days most kids are watching TV in their room alone or their parents don't care what they are watching.

Oh well, did anyone read that interview with Big Dick Johnson about Vince's concept of "logic" and how he basically says "Screw it" when something doesn't make sense? I guess this is just another example of the way to universe works to Vince.

WWE is doing this just to benefit their public image, and they (rightfully) assume that most grown people are not watching Monday Night RAW and they can get away with contradicting their own anti-bullying message because nobody who matters is going to notice.

 

[The mind]

To expand upon your failed logic would be waste of time. Be a Star is a way for the WWE is use people that are well known, to go to these schools, and say to a child that may be getting bullied that "Hey I was bullied once, but you know what, I let it drive me, and not destroy me." The kids getting bullied need someone like Punk, or John Cena to speak on their own bully stories, because it gives these kids a glimmer of hope that hey, things may be tough now, but there is a future.

This may sound cheesy and mockish, but maybe these school visits have saved a child from taking their own life.

To dismiss the Be a Star program is misguided. As for Linda using this to boost her political career, you can't jumpstart a dead battery. Linda is politcally damaged, and anyone who's followed her senate runs knows that nobody wants to send her to Washington, mainly because her politcal views are decades out a step with today's society.

I'm willing to dump on the WWE for their crappy on air product, but to dump on them for a attempt at a public service....that's just wrong.

 

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

If you want to run this campaign have Vince, Stephanie, or Triple H show up at schools. Don't send heels who are being bullies or guys with egos the size of a planet to do this.

Ya, Vince McMahon, Stephanie McMahon and Triple H aren't egotistical at all. IF that's your criteria for who should be a spokesperson than those are 3 prett poor choices.

The best choice for a spokesperson would obviously be John Cena, he's a stand-up guy and a pretty positive role model for kids.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

So the WWE does something good and people still find a reason to complain about it. I applaud WWE for doing this and saying it's bull**** is what is actually bull****.

And saying wrestlers shouldn't be a part of this program would be the same as saying actors who play villains in movies and on TV shows shouldn't be a part of it either. C'mon, people, get your heads out of your collective asses. It's make believe that we see every Monday and Friday, no different than what you see at the cinema or on the tube.

 

[jerry20xx]

There is a huge difference between acting and being authentic. A lot of people can't tell. Do you really think JR cares if someone makes fun of him? He doesn't care, he's heard every joke in the book.

If JR or Big Show had problems with insults, do you think they would allow it to be done?

 

[JaceEvans]

The best choice for a spokesperson would obviously be John Cena, he's a stand-up guy and a pretty positive role model for kids.

I think the point the OP was trying to make is everyone on the current roster is a bully except maybe Sin Cara but that's because he doesn't talk. On raw last week Cena "bullied" Big Show about his weight, so it's hypocritical for him to say don't be a bully!

 

[nWo4Life79]

All you people that say WWE should not be a part of the Be A Star program our stupid f*cks because the kids relate to the wrestlers and they know what they see on tv is not the real person. Also for those saying they she send people not on tv that is even dumber because they need to send people the kids can relate to

 

[boywithbluehanger]

I honestly think many of you are just bitching for the sake of it. I mean how many violent cartoons offered non-violent PSAs after/before the show back when I was growing up in the late 80s and 90s? This is something that is supposed to send a message that while this FICTIONAL show showcases spots of inappropriate behavior, it is not the kind of action that should be emulated or promoted outside of the show.

If we were to be going by the logic of many of you, there should never be any "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME" messages to kids simply because what they do in the ring contradicts that message. Maybe some of you just need to find something to bitch about but I don't see how/why it's wrong to contradict your FICTIONAL TV show to send a positive message to kids.

 

[vampirek]

Ya, Vince McMahon, Stephanie McMahon and Triple H aren't egotistical at all.

The best choice for a spokesperson would obviously be John Cena, he's a stand-up guy and a pretty positive role model for kids.

The same Cena who makes gay references in his promos? There so many examples of this I can not be bothered to get one.

Of course Be a Star/WWE is a joke, one moment you have Eve talking about tolerate and respect and then on tv having Zack Ryder telling fans to call her a hoeski. Nevermind racial comments on the colour of Sheamus' skin, Vickie's size, the whole Cole hating Bryan thing, the countless JR insults and so much more that this Be A Star is suppose to be cutting out.

WWE is always going to have that element about itself, some of it for storyline purposes and sometimes because they can get away with certain comments... you cant have element of bullying on tv and then have those involve kick two bells out of each other (yes I know scripted) and then cut to a Be A Star campaign telling kids not to do that by those involved in the script. Yes, WWE is scripted and the majority, if not all children know its fake but you influence them into doing what the Be A Star campaign is opposing.

 

[randomguyri]

the B A STAR campaign just breaks kayfabe really bad they have heel's doing the camp[agn

maybe if it was just rey mysterio and kofi kingston doing the campaign it could be those two faces saying dont be a bully and the rest of the roster can be bullys on air
and the wwe wont be hypocrite's

 

[JaceEvans]

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME

how does that contradict what they do in the ring? Is the ring a home? It also says these are trained professionals which justify why it's ok for them to do it and not kids.

I honestly think many of you are just bitching for the sake of it. I mean how many violent cartoons offered non-violent PSA's after/before the show back when I was growing up in the late 80s and 90s? This is something that is supposed to send a message that while this FICTIONAL show showcases spots of inappropriate behavior, it is not the kind of action that should be emulated or promoted outside of the show.

We are in different times my friend plus most of the PSA's were against what the main villain was doing or it was against drugs, that's not the case with the B.A. Star program. WWE never comes outright and says in there B.A. Star lectures that this is fake and you shouldn't emulate this at home. Like it our not little kids emulate what they see there favorite superstars do on TV. Faces are what the WWE want the fans to cheer there the good guys, stop me if I'm wrong but I never remember GI Joe's belittling Cobra for being fat or ugly. I personally don't have a problem with it on the show as it makes it entertaining but for them to spearhead a program which contradicts what there faces do on tv is hypocritical.

 

[Arashi]

Yeah, totally agree with Barkley, people are just so uptight right now. The WWE is helping people, shouldn't you be happy about that? Sure you can say that their product isn't but as the poster above me said then no actor who plays a guy should be allowed to support projects like this either.

 

[JaylisJayP]

Ya, Vince McMahon, Stephanie McMahon and Triple H aren't egotistical at all. IF that's your criteria for who should be a spokesperson than those are 3 prett poor choices.

The best choice for a spokesperson would obviously be John Cena, he's a stand-up guy and a pretty positive role model for kids.

Except for his joke last week about fat people. Yeah, great role model. Cena should know better but he still makes a comment that could and likely will lead to many overweight kids being bullied.

 

[playmaker21]

I too am sick of seeing and hearing the "Be A Star" crap. I do not want repeat what others have said. We all know the WWE is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. This is very similar to the NFL trying to get rid of the violence of the sport. It just is not going to happen unless you want to drasitcly change the product to where your loyal fan base will stop watching and thus ruining the product.

If you don't like the violence of football, don't watch and/or don't play. It's a free country. If you don't like the violence of football, or the bullying nature of wrestling, it is a free country, no one is holding a gun o your head forcing you to watch.

Everytime there is a Be a Star segment on Raw, they are taking one to one and a half minutes away from the actual product. You add that up over 52 weeks, and you miss out on nearly an hour you could actually be giving to a talent(s) This all is directly tied in with Linda McMahons Senate run. This is just something for her to point to when her opponent and detractors start holding the wrestling business against her.

BTW, it is sad that one of the top Raw Moments will not be shown in the lead up to the "1000th Episode of Monday Night Raw" due to Linda's Senate run. When Kane Tombstoned Linda, it marked one of the biggest moments in Raw history. For those that want to re-live the moment from the 7/21/2003 edition of Raw, enjoy!!! http://youtu.be/OwamCFdjGXM

 

[boywithbluehanger]

how does that contradict what they do in the ring? Is the ring a home? It also says these are trained professionals which justify why it's ok for them to do it and not kids.

Given that the actions of the "trained professionals" include randomly attacking in places inside/outside the ring (something that happens almosy every week), cheap-shots, occasionally using everyday items as weapons (such as fold-up chairs, trashcans etc) and more, it's implied that they do not want kids to EVER try any of their violent activities at all. Not JUST at home but anywhere. If we're all to go by your interpretation, it's ok to "try this" anywhere but home. And that's obviously not the message they mean to send. What they really want to come across in their message is: Never emulate any violence you see on this show.

Therefore if people are nitpicking that Be A Star is bullshit for sending a contradicting message by what they do on their shows, they could just as easily be stupid enough to infer that discouraging violence is also bullshit.

 

[Dyscord]

Yeah, I understand it's all a storyline, but they pass it off as being real. And to have someone like the Bella twins talk about how bad bullying is not even a week or so after they bullied Kharma is just bad taste.

And lets not get into Cena, who is basically a babyface bully in general.

I get what they try to do, and the anti bullying message is a good one. But it's hard to take seriously.

 

[Danger Burger]

You know, i cant believe i actually find myself agreeing with the complaints, not really on the basis of the ideas here, but ill get to that in a mo.

Yeah theyr actors and were not supposed to emulate the bad guys and blah, and of course Cena should have a bit more class etc, if he's mister antibully, he should say Big show, your a giant, but i wont let you bully blah blah and fight against him and blah..

So, uh, do any of you guys remember when the rock was there b4 mania? I hope some of ye look at the comment on the main page for this point. Rock called Cena a 42year old virgin, it was fine for most of us, not stellar humour and we went on with our lives lie regular people. Next day i come to the main page and see people having the old classic "whos promo was better" debate, and anyone in favour of Cena was blasted as being (you guessed it) a 42 year old virgin... And thats just one example.

The problem with people, the young children, the masses of teens and the older of us out there still watching is simple... 90% of us are absolute morons. We will emulate these guys, act brovado and bully, without even thinking much of it. Not all of us, but most of us. We deride each others opinions and etc etc, youve all seen it!

Wrestlers have been making fun of each other long before i was born, and if they stopped... Well it wouldnt be very good. I dont think it makes them hypocrits as others are throwing out, as that seems to be done almost retrospectively, as if the B. A. Star idea came first. Why not view it in light of the idea that WWE have been teaching people how to bully for decades, and are now realising this and finally doing something about it.

They cant take away the childish animosity between the wrestlers, its all theyv got. But they can try and tell kids that its not cool to act like they do....

Actually, schnit, iv no idea whos side i'm on here!!

 

[Raiden46]

I don't know how many of you guys pick up on this, but anytime I ever think a match is about to end because of a big spot or move that just took place, it gets completely ruined by the commentary of the announcers who give away the finish.

Case in point - Look at the Undertaker/HHH WM28 match. Right after HBK hits the sweet chin music and HHH follows up with a pedigree, everyone in their right mind is thinking that the match has a legit chance of being over. HHH makes the cover... and then Michael Cole shouts "STREAK'S OVER! STREAK'S OVER!"

.........................

I hate Cole to begin with, but at that moment I just wanted to rip his throat out. That proclamation ruined the entire spot as I immediately knew the Undertaker would be kicking out of the move. Anytime a commentator makes a definitive comment that the match is over or done, it NEVER is. Virtually all announcers are guilty of it and maybe that's just part of what they are trained to do, but whether they realize it or not it is just killing the surprise element of the match.

Thoughts?

 

[alberts35]

Steel cage matches could only be won by climbing over the top....none of this mamby-pamby walking out the door or pinning or submission....the lack of the traditional fall was what made the steel cage match interesting

 

[Nate DaMac]

Steel cage matches could only be won by climbing over the top....none of this mamby-pamby walking out the door or pinning or submission....the lack of the traditional fall was what made the steel cage match interesting

I completely disagree. I have no desire to watch two 200lb+ men attempt to dramatically climb a fucking tall fence over and over again. I would much rather see them utilize the environment and make the match more interesting.