WWE General Complaints Thread

[The Newfie Bullet]

My biggest complaint is how unbalanced the rosters are,Raw is overloaded with stars such as Alberto Del Rio , John Cena, Rey Mysterio, The Miz , John Morrison ,CM Punk, and the list goes on and on.Well on the other hand all Smackdown has is Randy Orton , Christain, Sheamus , Sin Cara and a few others.I understand that Raw is supposed to be the top show , but the thing is a lot of superstars don't get used to their full potential (such as Evan Bourne, Rey Mysterio) or aren't showcased at all (such as Drew Mcintyre, Chris Masters) because the WWE title picture is taken up by superstars such as John Cena , ADR, R-Truth,etc. And there is no more time on Raw for them to be involved in any major storylines.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

I gave up on WWE a while ago. I don't watch anymore and I'm happy I don't. From time to time I check up on here to see if anything's changed. It hasn't. It won't.

Vince thinks he doesn't need your money to stay in business. And he's right. Continuing to fund that garbage while the product doesn't change is only making Vince a richer man while he's mocking you. Turn the TV off. Vote with your feet.

Be honest - you won't be missing much. What would you give up? Seeing Cena cut a lousy promo? Watching bad and formulaic matches with people who would have been lower midcard and jobbers back in the day? Watching a mediocre heel struggle to get over with the crowd, put on a respectable match and lose to the usual Cena finish? Be real.

You can live without pro wrestling. Hurt their ratings. Make them miss you. Turn the TV off and get the 2 hours of your life back. I did, and I won't go back until something changes.

I couldn't agree more.

I don't even watch WWE anymore, I don't miss it, and I probrably won't go back.

The ''Entertainment is LONG gone, and I figure that its time is just done. They have had MANY eras and for one reason or another, One EXCUSE or another, They drop the ball.

After the Attitude era, which was NOT perfect by any stretch. We had the following:

Invasion Era: Arguably the greatest roster, EVER in wrestling history. Yet, the storyline, and time fell flat .

The Triple H era: During which he returned, Austin was gone,and he took over, Evolution was the center point mostly, and people complained about Trips backstabbing and holding others down. THOUGH, this was not a boring time.

The Cena Era: Which is STILL going on, and has LONG run its course, and WWE refuses to admit that

The Experimental time: Which blends into Cena Era, but has others gaining bits of shine and momentum they wouldnt normally get. Orton is a mainstay, but cats like Swagger, Morrison, Truth, Bourne, Alberto, Sheamus, Kofi etc have gotten some burn, but its never consistent.

The shows themselves, have LITTLE to NO storyline, or reason for half of the feuds, and to be real, is nothing more than number one contender,title loss, rematch, recycle, rewind. No rhyme, No reason.

No real gimmicks, no great promos, just rematch after rematch, rehash after rehash, and to me, Im just done, for now, and probably a while

 

[Justin Satiable]

I've got to agree with what I've read in these last few posts. With CM Punk supposedly on his way out, Barrett being buried, R-Truth becoming a joke, Miz jobbing to Riley, and Christian turning 100 years old, there's just no good heel power anymore. We have Cena and Orton as champs and they, in my opinion, are two of the worst champions I've seen in a long time. Their promos are boring, their matches are formulaic to the point of boring me to tears, and in all honesty, their characters are just lame.

However, one thing stands out above everything else in my eyes, and that's that Cena and Orton allow no other space in the limelight. When I see someone about to break through into the main event, and then see them suddenly RKO'd, that's it. They're through. Simple as that. WWE gives no one else a chance, and just feeds challengers to Cena and Orton. What do they get from it? Little kids buying their merchandise, and previously die-hard wrestling fans all over the world tuning out.

But hey, why should they give a damn about the fans who built them? Kids are where the money is at, and this is just a business. That's all it is now. Business. No entertainment. Business.

I'll buy Wrestlemania because that's just tradition, but WWE will never get another penny from me, and never another fucking Nielsen point.

 

[TheRev]

We need to have a shocking storyline again. More than just the Rock/Cena. That is too drawn out. We need something that makes you drop your jaw and want to call somebody and say "Can you believe that just happened? I totally didn't see that one coming!"

We used to get moments like that once or twice a year, but nothing is shocking anymore. Maybe the lack of competition from TNA doesn't make them want to take the risks and do anything crazy any more...who knows.

I forgot to add on other thing...

I'd like to see matches where legitimate heels fought each other and have a quality match that led to a great feud. It seems like the WWE is scared to do this kind of thing anymore in fear it will create a new face that they didn't intend to have as a face. I was surprised they actually let Punk and Del Rio fight in the same match the other day, but they had to throw in Mysterio to let a good guy lose instead of another heel.

 

[martymcfly]

This probably isn't a big enough deal to start a new thread about, but one week we have King denouncing the Bellas and their "horrible comments" about Kharma's weight. But then in weeks before, and in weeks since, he still goes ahead and makes plenty of fat jokes about Vickie Guerrero? How is what he does ok, but when the bellas did it, it was "horrible"? If the WWE really wants to make a stand against bullying (although maybe that's not the flavor of the month anymore) then they really should have consistent messages.

 

[K-Fizz]

WWE is losing me as a fan rather quickly.

A) Taking the strap away from Christian - didn't even let the guy hold it until the next PPV and getting beat how many times in a row now at consecutive ppv's? It's obvious that when this is done, Sheamus will be #1 heel and Christian will be pushed back down. If they're not going to give him the title, just for fucks sake get it over with and kill the storyline with all these damn repeat matches.

B) Shitting on young talent - Last night on Superstars, the Zack Ryder vs Drew McIntyre match wasn't aired, but instead the 3 vs 3 match from Raw was aired. Why? We already saw that crap, it wasn't that great of a match (predictable supercena wins as always), we had even saw the highlights of that match during one of the segments after it came on the air. Why not show the Ryder/Drew match that has two favored young talent by fans and are trying to build mic/ring skills instead of just two divas and santino matches with a rerun from raw? That was just disappointing to say the least.

C) These repeat matches from PPV to PPV. How many times in a row did we see Miz/Cena? Three straight months of that? Same thing is going on with Christian and Orton.

D) Storylines - What has been driving me absolutely insane about WWE post-WM is that it seems that every Raw following the PPV has had a #1 contenders match with a triple threat or some other gimmick to start off a feud between Champ and heel. It's cheap, boring, and annoying. They just did it again with Punk on Monday. Give me a little more substance than #1 contender starts off a feud by saying "OOOOOH I'm gonna beat you Mr. Champion at one of the next three PPV's that we will wrestle on!"

That's all, just a rant. I'm likely going to be turning off the TV soon when it comes to WWE if this PPV coming up doesn't produce something half assed interesting.

 

[bad news frown]

i have been a wwe fan since october 1990. there has been great stuff, average stuff and crap stuff in equal measure in every era except 93 to 96 and the lesnar era,(never understood the fuss about that guy, i thought he sucked the life out of everything.) where there was more bad than good. even everyones beloved attitude era had a lot of week stuff, russo written, in particular.and i have to say there is as much great stuff right now and over the last couple of years as there has been in any of the strong eras. all the smarks hating cena and most other things on wwe programming makes no sense to me. he is very entertaining, with good mic work and i think many excellent matches. the only thing i really dislike right now is the del rio push, as i find him to be a poor jobber at best. but i like the miz, and no one can say he wasnt made to pay his dues to get here either. i am sure not many people will agree with my views but then with all those on here who claim to hate the product, why are so many still watching? its meant to be entertainment and it still does that better than any t v show or sport, so be a wrestling fan and enjoy the show!

 

[The Corporate Champ]

In my opinion the basic problem with the WWE right now is that it has too much going on in Wrestling. It's very difficult to build a character when there is so much going on around them. I posted in another thread that I think that the roster should be trimmed heavily. With a lighter roster there is more opportunity for the mid carders to show potential and move through the ranks.

 

[CelticCorey]

We all know that top faces are usually booked strong. I get that. I have seen Hogan's 80s matches on youtube where he hulked up for a victory and so did Macho Man Randy Savage when he was a face. I remember watching Austin and The Rock back in the Attitude Era and how they would always win and be booked as top faces.

That's one thing. Now, what did those four have in common as opposed to Orton and to an even greater extent- Cena? How many "bullshit" wins did Hogan, Savage, Austin and Rock have? Cena has had many. His Elimination Chamber match where he does one move after being knocked out almost the whole match and then he wins the entire match. Over the Limit where his ass is kicked for 25 minutes straight and then out of nowhere he wins. Capitol Punishment where he won with the help of a cup of water.

Top faces may be booked strong and are meant to win- but this Super Cena moniker fits him perfectly with all of the bullshit wins.

 

[rko+kingofkings feud2009]

I have a complaint of my own. i miss the old attitude era matches because the matches: chris jericho vs hhh, the rock vs stone cold steve austin vs chris jericho(correct me if im wrong with the competitors) and the triple h and kurt angle feud wass legndary but people wants to be "assholes" nowadays and repeat and repeat the story lines and push over the wrong people like alberto del rio. its just wrong. its disrespecting to the talented superstars on the raw and smackdown roster like Drew mcintyre and zack ryder. thats just my opinion.

 

[TJWWE]

To go down hill.

Ok, so in the good o'l days, we had our rocks, austins, triple hs, undertakers, angles and so on and you had great PPV matches all the time. If you compare that to know when you get mid-carders turned brief main eventers (swagger) the WWE are not proplary building up them to stay in the main event. In the last few months, we've seen another mid carder turned main eventer R-Truth compete in the main event at a PPV aganist Cena and if i'm going to be honest, it just looks and sounds weak on paper.

Let's face it, right now there isn't that one superstar that everyone or atleast 95% of the crowd love. Orton is the closest thing they have to that but now he's not on the 'b' show, Cena (who gets most boos) if being the top star babyface.

My question to you is that can you pin point around the time when the WWE really started to change alot because I cannot seem to think of when it happened.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

You might want to rename this thread, "Comparing the Attitude Era to Now!"

There is a thread exactly like this constantly being made and it is getting very, very boring to reply to. Allow me to say what I have said in countless other threads.

The Attitude Era when you had Austin, and The Rock, Undertaker and Kurt Angle running around, it was entertaining, sure. But it was when WWE had something to fight for, they had ratings to fight for, they had a war to win with WCW and they were in overdrive. Now, the WWE have no real competition and therefore there is no reason to do all the same whacky shit they used to. Attitude Era and the stars that came from it... Are dead.

Wrestling is a constant evolution, it was in the PG era before the Attitude Era and it had the same things, some characters getting over and some not. You had the constant struggle of not knowing who was going to make it and who was. But here's the thing, if you dislike the product, don't watch it. If you think it's weak, don't pay attention and make observations when there are people who enjoy it. This forum is full of them.

And just on one point you made in your opening post, I don't see how Orton is the only one coming close to getting great pops. When was the last time that Evan Bourne got a boo from the crowd? And his pops are great. Sin Cara is getting great pops too, as is Danielson on Smackdown and there are more.

Wrestling has changed. These kids don't have the terretorial system they once had back when Taker, Austin and them were coming into the business where they had the chance to hone their craft. Austin was in WCW and ECW before he ever started to shine in the WWE. Undertaker was in WCW too. Kurt Angle spent nearly a year in development. The Rock improved gradually after Rocky Maivia plundered into the ground.

That's why guys like CM Punk come in, and get such great reactions. They have fan followings, they had the chance to naturally improve into their own styles and such. And if you want someone to pin-point a time, I'd say when Benoit died. Maybe a bit before that - but the product is still good, it just takes someone with a broad spectrum to notice it.

Wrestlemania 22, that's when the boo's started coming to Cena. He was the golden boy until that match with Triple H.

Incorrect. During the feuds with Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle, Cena got booed by the crowd, at Unforgiven 2005 he was booed heavily by the crowd in-favor of Angle.

 

[ZeKa X Sk8eR]

Wrestlemania 21 is when wwe started to change a lot because of cena winning the wwe championship and batista winning the WHC. They was top 2 guys after that for years and cena still is the top guy

 

[Cena's #1 In My Heart]

Michael Cole must die..

He is not a good heel..

He is a good asshole who constantly derails WWE broadcasting...

I'm listening to Smackdown and all he is doing is bashing Booker T on a constant basis, and Michael Cole isn't even got a ground to stand on half the time when he calls him out.

I've thought about turning the channel so many times because of Cole, I can't stand him anymore. He ruins everything.

But I keep watching for the wrestlers... if only you could mute the announce team and just listen to the in-ring action.

I'm serious.. I've been a lifelong WWE fan, but if they do not do something about Michael Cole.. I will quit watching..

If he died.. I would throw a fucking party...

Anyone else feel my level of frustration?

 

[Remy LaCroix]

He is not a good heel..

You made this thread venting your hatred towards Michael Cole. He must be doing something right.

He is a good asshole who constantly derails WWE broadcasting...

Really? It's Michael Cole and not Booker T who derails WWE broadcasting with their commentary?

I'm listening to Smackdown and all he is doing is bashing Booker T on a constant basis, and Michael Cole isn't even got a ground to stand on half the time when he calls him out.

I don't know what "isn't even got a ground" means, but I find half the time he calls out Booker T quite humorous.

I've thought about turning the channel so many times because of Cole, I can't stand him anymore. He ruins everything.

He ruined your life, we get it.

But I keep watching for the wrestlers... if only you could mute the announce team and just listen to the in-ring action.

There is a Mute button located on your remote, moron.

I'm serious.. I've been a lifelong WWE fan, but if they do not do something about Michael Cole.. I will quit watching..

So what's keeping you from quitting? It's that addicting like cigarettes, huh?

If he died.. I would throw a fucking party...

Anyone else feel my level of frustration?

... I'm going to stop here. And no.

 

[Cena's #1 In My Heart]

Really? Did you just defend Michael Cole?

DO YOU NOT FUCKING LISTEN TO THE SHOW?!? Everytime they try and focus on the match, Michael Cole tries his hardest to take the attention off of the match...

He's not playing a good heel.. HE'S NOT... He's just such a fucking annoying dickwaded twat...

And btw.. I did quit.. during Sheamus and Sin Cara of all matches.. because Michael Cole has already ruined the show for me.. I can't sit through another minute of him.

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I can only imagine how it would be for a first time viewer to have to listen to him. They would think that Daniel Bryan is the worst wrestler ever... They would think that Booker T is a nobody with the way Cole treats him.. they would think people like Rhodes and Miz are the best stars in the company. No wonder why the ratings continue to go down?

 

[joshmosh127]

WWE needs to bring back the light weight title so people like Evan Bourne, who works his ass off, can hold a belt other than the meaningless tag team belt

 

[OutsidersEdge4]

I'm sure this comment has been made many times before, but can someone explain to me why Randy Orton is not on Raw? He's arguably the greatest in-ring wrestler/personality combo in the company, and he's stuck carrying a B-league show and being entered into forced feuds with Christian. Can anyone explain why this makes sense?

 

[#hamler]

I'm sure this comment has been made many times before, but can someone explain to me why Randy Orton is not on Raw? He's arguably the greatest in-ring wrestler/personality combo in the company, and he's stuck carrying a B-league show and being entered into forced feuds with Christian. Can anyone explain why this makes sense?

You can't have Ry Mysterio, John Cena and Randy Orton, the top three babyfaces in the company on one brand - it just wouldn't make much sense. Edge also retired leaving a huge (and I mean HUGE) void on the Smackdown roster that needed to be filled with another top face like Randy Orton. Look at Undertaker, he's been on Smackdown for the last 7 or 8 years. Randy is helping a brand that can't survive without the star power he brings to the table.

 

[OutsidersEdge4]

You can't have Ry Mysterio, John Cena and Randy Orton, the top three babyfaces in the company on one brand - it just wouldn't make much sense. Edge also retired leaving a huge (and I mean HUGE) void on the Smackdown roster that needed to be filled with another top face like Randy Orton. Look at Undertaker, he's been on Smackdown for the last 7 or 8 years. Randy is helping a brand that can't survive without the star power he brings to the table.

Is it just me, or does Orton work best as a heel? It seems like he's only a star on Smackdown 'cause viewers and fans in attendance are so thrilled to see an actual star that they have to cheer him.

I don't see why the WWE doesn't just concede that Raw is a far superior product, move all of it's stars there, and then make Smackdown a tag-team, cruiserweight, hardcore niche show.

 

[#hamler]

Is it just me, or does Orton work best as a heel?

I agree, Orton is far more interesting as a heel. But someone as over as Orton shouldn't be a heel.

It seems like he's only a star on Smackdown 'cause viewers and fans in attendance are so thrilled to see an actual star that they have to cheer him.

Lol, fans will cheer who ever they feel like cheering - star or not. When Orton was on RAW with other high profile Superstars, Orton ws cheered just as much if not more than he is now.

I don't see why the WWE doesn't just concede that Raw is a far superior product, move all of it's stars there, and then make Smackdown a tag-team, cruiserweight, hardcore niche show.

Give others a chance to shine? Let's face it, had it not been for a second brand, guys like Christian, Del Rio, Batista and maybe even John Cena would have never gotten any chance to show their real potential. Moving all the big stars to one show woud more than likely be a disaster.

 

[SuperSteve16]

Why does the "so" called future of the WWE, superstars that actually have experience in the WWE like Evan Bourne and Drew Mcintyre have to verse superstars like Primo and Koslov on WWE Superstars, while superstars with hardly any experience in the WWE, who are also deemed the future of the WWE, superstars like Mason Ryan and Sin Cara ( No offense to any of these guys) make RAW and Smackdown?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Why does the "so" called future of the WWE, superstars that actually have experience in the WWE like Evan Bourne and Drew Mcintyre have to verse superstars like Primo and Koslov on WWE Superstars, while superstars with hardly any experience in the WWE, who are also deemed the future of the WWE, superstars like Mason Ryan and Sin Cara ( No offense to any of these guys) make RAW and Smackdown?

Well McIntyre was pushed heavily upon his debut. He was labeled "The Chosen One," he is a multi time Intercontinental Champion, he's had several noticeable feuds, and hell, he even had a feud with the GM of Smackdown. Unfortunately, no matter how hard they pushed him, no one gave a shit about him so he was pushed down the card. As for Bourne, he has a nifty little place on the roster. He'll have his mini programs with big stars and he'll give great matches to mid carders, but he seems to just be developmental talent. He'll likely have a job forever, but there is no place for him up higher on the card.

As for Ryan and Sin Cara, it's really simple. They have the look that usually makes it. Ryan looks just like Batista and Cara has Mysterio-ish qualities. The ultimate goal in the WWE is to make money, not to push guys just because they have been there longer. McIntyre and Bourne had their chances.

 

[H33LTurn]

Why does the "so" called future of the WWE, superstars that actually have experience in the WWE like Evan Bourne and Drew Mcintyre have to verse superstars like Primo and Koslov on WWE Superstars, while superstars with hardly any experience in the WWE, who are also deemed the future of the WWE, superstars like Mason Ryan and Sin Cara ( No offense to any of these guys) make RAW and Smackdown?

Well because the guys you mentioned dont really draw a dime. Evan Bourne is great in the ring but his size can only take him so far. I saw your sig, and no, hes not going to be winning any major title, maybe the US or tag but thats about it. Hes also never been on the mic, and mic skills are a major part of a champion. McIntyre has nothing special to offer. Hes a one trick pony. They had the whole "Chosen One" gimmick and he really did nothing with it. I dont see him as a big star, to me hes just not marketable.

Mason Ryan is a physical specimen. His size makes up for anything else that he lacks in. You have to admit, if you have Mason and McIntyre knocking at your door and you need a guy whos marketable from a wrestling standpoint you're going to pick tan Hulk over the guy with the funny accent. I'm going to put it real surreal for the people who have whined for McIntyre, Bourne, Ryder, and Daniel Bryan (up until Sunday): you have to be marketable to make it in WWE! WWE is entertainment first, wrestling later. If you're relying on your wrestling to carry your career go to ROH, or Japan, or apparently TNA.

 

[RicoLen]

The whole division is entirely compiled of rotten apples. I know this is a common thing on the internet. Saying, "They just don't push the right ones" and "They don't give them enough time." Well personally, I wish they would give them less time then they do now. I don't appreciate my precious time being wasted with a 2 minute match with competitors who are not properly trained professionals. Constant botches, a lack of anything remotely interesting, and complete and utter disregard for the art of wrestling detours me away from women wrestling.

You're making the same philosophical argument as those who say Cena can't wrestle. He can, he can wrestle very well, and from time to time he proves it too, he just doesn't. Why? Now that's the better question.

I have seen many of the divas do brilliant moves and make me realize that they are what is in place of a luchadore/cruiserweight division. Cut the hair pulling, the screaming like b**ches, ass slapping/shaking, etc, and you have some women that DO know their stuff, and choose for god knows why, not to put on a show that really displays their in-ring talent.

IMO it seems like when they plan out their match backstage, they seem to focus on being bitchy divas rather than wrestlers. I want to take them seriously, but they shoot themselves in the foot. Beth Phoenix is a good one, over the series of about 4 matches I've seen her string together enough moves that if they were all done in one match it would have been tremendous. She's proven she can do it, but why doesn't she? That's where I just draw a blank. I don't get it.