I disagree that Foley doesn't look like a wrestler. IMO Wrestlers are big mean looking guys. Punk looks like the singer from Maroon 5. Foley looks like a brawler. But lets say you are right and Foley doesn't look like a wrestler. Foley drew incredible ratings and sales. He was involved in many memonrable moments- some that he came up with himself. What he did worked. On top of that- Foley was never put up as the top guy. He was always an upper card guy that enhanced the card. Sure he held the belt- but when he was at his peak-holding the belt had nothing to do with being the top dog.
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WWE General Complaints Thread
- Thread starter Jack-Hammer
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I disagree that Foley doesn't look like a wrestler. IMO Wrestlers are big mean looking guys. Punk looks like the singer from Maroon 5. Foley looks like a brawler. But lets say you are right and Foley doesn't look like a wrestler. Foley drew incredible ratings and sales. He was involved in many memonrable moments- some that he came up with himself. What he did worked. On top of that- Foley was never put up as the top guy. He was always an upper card guy that enhanced the card. Sure he held the belt- but when he was at his peak-holding the belt had nothing to do with being the top dog.
Sid Schmid
Pre-Show Stalwart
What annoys me the most is the constant references to twitter. I also cannot stand stupid game shows such as the one this past Monday in the place of wrestling matches. No wonder there aren't any bonefide superstars breaking through at the minute.
Fansince1992
Getting Noticed By Management
I have loved CM Punk since Raw1000.
After Raw1000 (to answer the title of this thread) CM Punk has been driving me nuts. Why have they made him a cowardly heel. It's beyond me. He lacks the size to start. He was believable as Face and Tweener, but this heel run is dragging him down and making him look weak. Paul Heyman is getting dragged below himself.(He looked superior during the summer with Lesnar)
If the plan is for Punk to face The Rock at Rumble i'm not that sold yet, and Punk defeating Ryback next week cleanly looks unlikely.
Heyman pandering to a joke like Vikkie isn't working.
Why couldn't they just have Punk standing up to Ryback. Punk could shove the WWE title in his face and not back off. "yeah you can outpower me" but i will "Outwrestle you" Ryback will come from the match looking strong.
I would of bought Hell in a Cell but now am reluctant as Punk looks so weak going in. Punk will probably win but it does nothing for him against The Rock.
Please don't destroy Punk he is way to talented.
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson also "drives me nuts" his very own Royal Rumble speech (and interacting with Punk) at Raw1000, pretty much suggests it's going to be Rock vs Punk for the belt. This means Punk will cheat his way to the Royal Rumble, and will look like a weak little dog against The Rock. At least at Wrestlemania this year Cena looked strong going in.
After Raw1000 (to answer the title of this thread) CM Punk has been driving me nuts. Why have they made him a cowardly heel. It's beyond me. He lacks the size to start. He was believable as Face and Tweener, but this heel run is dragging him down and making him look weak. Paul Heyman is getting dragged below himself.(He looked superior during the summer with Lesnar)
If the plan is for Punk to face The Rock at Rumble i'm not that sold yet, and Punk defeating Ryback next week cleanly looks unlikely.
Heyman pandering to a joke like Vikkie isn't working.
Why couldn't they just have Punk standing up to Ryback. Punk could shove the WWE title in his face and not back off. "yeah you can outpower me" but i will "Outwrestle you" Ryback will come from the match looking strong.
I would of bought Hell in a Cell but now am reluctant as Punk looks so weak going in. Punk will probably win but it does nothing for him against The Rock.
Please don't destroy Punk he is way to talented.
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson also "drives me nuts" his very own Royal Rumble speech (and interacting with Punk) at Raw1000, pretty much suggests it's going to be Rock vs Punk for the belt. This means Punk will cheat his way to the Royal Rumble, and will look like a weak little dog against The Rock. At least at Wrestlemania this year Cena looked strong going in.
My biggest complaints atm are wrestler pushes and the state of SmackDown.
Wrestlers need to stop getting major pushes and then dropping off the face of the earth (SWAGGER, Barrett, etc). Also stop under-utilizing the people they do have for stupid reasons. I understand they want to punish Orton for the suspension/Riley is rumored to be doing nothing because of an altercation with Cena/etc. But with a roster this thin and with that much time to kill, WWE can't afford to hold back people who have potential to actually entertain their audience.
SmackDown has always been better than RAW to me, so the current state of it is just depressing. It should be taken out of its misery and renamed to Friday Night Raw Recap! With some Sheamus! Otherwise they could put on a show that isn't garbage but that won't be happening anytime soon
And since I never say anything positive I figure I should mention something I DO like about current WWE. Long title reigns. Even if I don't like the people holding the world titles (that's mainly aimed at Sheamus)
Wrestlers need to stop getting major pushes and then dropping off the face of the earth (SWAGGER, Barrett, etc). Also stop under-utilizing the people they do have for stupid reasons. I understand they want to punish Orton for the suspension/Riley is rumored to be doing nothing because of an altercation with Cena/etc. But with a roster this thin and with that much time to kill, WWE can't afford to hold back people who have potential to actually entertain their audience.
SmackDown has always been better than RAW to me, so the current state of it is just depressing. It should be taken out of its misery and renamed to Friday Night Raw Recap! With some Sheamus! Otherwise they could put on a show that isn't garbage but that won't be happening anytime soon
And since I never say anything positive I figure I should mention something I DO like about current WWE. Long title reigns. Even if I don't like the people holding the world titles (that's mainly aimed at Sheamus)
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Uh...They did that because WWE changed one thing about Cena that people liked ........his character. "Doctor of Thugonomics" gimmick was what made Cena entertaining not the boring,childish,corny superhero that Cena is nowadays.
Cena was still "Classic Cena" by the time he won the WWE title first time and that's when the Anti-Cena chain started. He got booed by fans at WM when facing HHH for the sole purpose of him "not being Cena" when he was in fact the Cena he always was.
whoopin' ass
Championship Contender
I am going to use Layla in this example but it applies to the wwe in general. I watched 2 matches today that Layla was in - one from NXT and one from Smackdown(both happened to be tag matches). My first impression with the NXT match was amazement - it was actually a good match for the most part. it was straightforward and action packed. Wish I could say the same thing about the Smackdown match. At the very end, Layla went to kick Eve and of course accidentally kicked her partner instead resulting in the overexagerated "oh no" look. then Eve pushed Layla out of the ring, yes pushed her out of the ring, for the win. not exactly a great match however it is a standard wwe match.
i don't want to make it sounds like a diva issue because it isn't. how many times have we seen something that just seems odd - the heel not noticing the crown reaction change only to have the hero come up from behind and beat the hell out of him, the stare-down/swallow leading to the heel getting the hell beat out of him, the overly slow heel turn around..., etc. there is storytelling and there is bad storytelling. i understand that the wwe is about storytelling but the match is supposed to be the main story but even that is starting to get bad as i mentioned above. the strange part is that it obviously doesn't have to be that way. In the NXT match, Layla also accidentally kicked her partner but we didn't get the overblown reaction. the wrestlers may not be the greatest actors in the world but when they do the same thing twice, it is strange how one version can work good and the other if horrible.
thoughts? am i totally out to lunch? it has been said for years that the stuff going on between the matches is dragging down the product but it is creeping into the matches and seems to be replacing the proper storytelling that wrestling was built around.
i don't want to make it sounds like a diva issue because it isn't. how many times have we seen something that just seems odd - the heel not noticing the crown reaction change only to have the hero come up from behind and beat the hell out of him, the stare-down/swallow leading to the heel getting the hell beat out of him, the overly slow heel turn around..., etc. there is storytelling and there is bad storytelling. i understand that the wwe is about storytelling but the match is supposed to be the main story but even that is starting to get bad as i mentioned above. the strange part is that it obviously doesn't have to be that way. In the NXT match, Layla also accidentally kicked her partner but we didn't get the overblown reaction. the wrestlers may not be the greatest actors in the world but when they do the same thing twice, it is strange how one version can work good and the other if horrible.
thoughts? am i totally out to lunch? it has been said for years that the stuff going on between the matches is dragging down the product but it is creeping into the matches and seems to be replacing the proper storytelling that wrestling was built around.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Not sure if you truly know what story-telling is but you're actually right. There are only a handful of people in the WWE who can actually tell a story in the ring. Guys like Cena, Punk, Kane, Daniel Bryan, and Orton are great at it. However, most of the younger guys try to make up for their lack of skill in storytelling with their athleticism. Dolph Ziggler is the poster child for this with Kofi only a little ways behind. They only excel when given a superior wrestler to work with.
All of the Divas suck at it.
All of the Divas suck at it.
So I've been thinking everyone has there opinion as to why the WWE isn't as popular or as entertaining as it once was.
The main reason people say it's bad is because of the PG era, Now I do agree with that to an extent. I do think the PG rating has caused a lot of the older fans to stop watching, and the WWE can no longer produce cutting edge TV. I do think if they got rid of the PG rating it would so wonders for the WWE.
But with that said I don't think the PG rating is the main reason WWE is so bad, I think WWE has proved during the PG era that when they are motivated or bothered they can produce an entertaining and interesting storyline and keep it at a PG rating. i.e most recently the Kane & Daniel Bryan storyline. I do think Violence, Blood & bad language is needed and very effective at times but I think there only needed in some storylines or big matches i.e Hell in a Cell, however I don't think they are needed in every single match or storyline
Another reason people think it's bad is the creative team. I do think it may be there fault but from what I read they don't have a lot of power or say and more than likely get told no by Vince or Stephanie if they don't like the idea. I think the main reason the writing is so bad is because of Vince, no doubt he's a genius but I feel he's to power hungry and controls to many things. How can a creative team produce cutting edge tv when Vince is constantly saying no to all of there ideas.
Linda McMahon
I think without a doubt this is one of the main reasons WWE is in such a state the last few years. Her senate run has basically ruined the wwe and everything that was once entertaining about it, This is the reason for the PG era. They can't do anything that's going to be offensive because if will effect Linda.
WWE only cares abut there Mainevemters
These days only the maineventers are getting good storylines and been pushed which I do get there the Stars and and they draw the crowds, but the WWE use to give every wrestler a storyline and that made us interested in them. I think that's why no one takes the midcarders, tag wrestlers, divas etc... seriously, I mean if WWE aren't interested or care about them, then why should we care or invest in them, I think this is the only reason we only care about watching the big stars.
Wrestlers all look the to similar
Maybe it's just me but the majority of the wrestlers just seem to similar to me, they don't really stand out, look unique or look larger than life or come across as mainevent superstars. I think they all wear similar ring gear, dress the same, cut the same kind of promos, have there hear shaved similar. This kind of really bothers me because during the attitude era everyone stood out and was larger than life even the midcarders and divas etc....
Like other than the old wrestlers that are still around i.e Kane, Big show etc.... only a few from the current generation stand out and that's mainly the maineventers. Guys like Cm Punk, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus are only a select few that look different, talk different etc.....
Wrestler don't seem Bothered
I also feel that most of them aren't hungry enough or want it that bad, they don't seem to just step up and grow a set and say they want to be stars. There all so bland on the mic and don't seem to invest in there character or gimmick. Take Miz for example he's one of the few guys that really stepped up and worked on every aspect of his character i.e mic skills, look, wrestling ability etc..... I feel most of them just want to be handed everything and don't want to earn it. I don't think they take risks or chances and do enough to get over and become a star
The Crowd
I think because most of the crowd is made up of kids these days and most of the adults there are only there with there kids and have no interest in wrestling and this is the reason WWE is also so bad. I mean the kids only cheer for guys like Cena & Mysterio and won't really cheer for guys like Kane, Daniel Bryan etc..... I think this hurts WWE because the crowd is one of the main reasons to watch as I feel they help make someone a star. I find when i'm watching if the crowd is really loud and noisy and are screaming and chanting throughout the match I am a lot more interested and invested in the match.
Take the night after Wretlemania this year when the crowd on Raw was unreal, they were so loud and made the whole show watchable, The yes chants was amazing and they pretty much made Daniel Bryan a permanent maineventer and got him over to the next level. I think if the crowds not cheering then it's kind of hard to watch it on telly .
I personally think these are a few of the main reasons WWE is so bad these days.
The main reason people say it's bad is because of the PG era, Now I do agree with that to an extent. I do think the PG rating has caused a lot of the older fans to stop watching, and the WWE can no longer produce cutting edge TV. I do think if they got rid of the PG rating it would so wonders for the WWE.
But with that said I don't think the PG rating is the main reason WWE is so bad, I think WWE has proved during the PG era that when they are motivated or bothered they can produce an entertaining and interesting storyline and keep it at a PG rating. i.e most recently the Kane & Daniel Bryan storyline. I do think Violence, Blood & bad language is needed and very effective at times but I think there only needed in some storylines or big matches i.e Hell in a Cell, however I don't think they are needed in every single match or storyline
Another reason people think it's bad is the creative team. I do think it may be there fault but from what I read they don't have a lot of power or say and more than likely get told no by Vince or Stephanie if they don't like the idea. I think the main reason the writing is so bad is because of Vince, no doubt he's a genius but I feel he's to power hungry and controls to many things. How can a creative team produce cutting edge tv when Vince is constantly saying no to all of there ideas.
Linda McMahon
I think without a doubt this is one of the main reasons WWE is in such a state the last few years. Her senate run has basically ruined the wwe and everything that was once entertaining about it, This is the reason for the PG era. They can't do anything that's going to be offensive because if will effect Linda.
WWE only cares abut there Mainevemters
These days only the maineventers are getting good storylines and been pushed which I do get there the Stars and and they draw the crowds, but the WWE use to give every wrestler a storyline and that made us interested in them. I think that's why no one takes the midcarders, tag wrestlers, divas etc... seriously, I mean if WWE aren't interested or care about them, then why should we care or invest in them, I think this is the only reason we only care about watching the big stars.
Wrestlers all look the to similar
Maybe it's just me but the majority of the wrestlers just seem to similar to me, they don't really stand out, look unique or look larger than life or come across as mainevent superstars. I think they all wear similar ring gear, dress the same, cut the same kind of promos, have there hear shaved similar. This kind of really bothers me because during the attitude era everyone stood out and was larger than life even the midcarders and divas etc....
Like other than the old wrestlers that are still around i.e Kane, Big show etc.... only a few from the current generation stand out and that's mainly the maineventers. Guys like Cm Punk, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus are only a select few that look different, talk different etc.....
Wrestler don't seem Bothered
I also feel that most of them aren't hungry enough or want it that bad, they don't seem to just step up and grow a set and say they want to be stars. There all so bland on the mic and don't seem to invest in there character or gimmick. Take Miz for example he's one of the few guys that really stepped up and worked on every aspect of his character i.e mic skills, look, wrestling ability etc..... I feel most of them just want to be handed everything and don't want to earn it. I don't think they take risks or chances and do enough to get over and become a star
The Crowd
I think because most of the crowd is made up of kids these days and most of the adults there are only there with there kids and have no interest in wrestling and this is the reason WWE is also so bad. I mean the kids only cheer for guys like Cena & Mysterio and won't really cheer for guys like Kane, Daniel Bryan etc..... I think this hurts WWE because the crowd is one of the main reasons to watch as I feel they help make someone a star. I find when i'm watching if the crowd is really loud and noisy and are screaming and chanting throughout the match I am a lot more interested and invested in the match.
Take the night after Wretlemania this year when the crowd on Raw was unreal, they were so loud and made the whole show watchable, The yes chants was amazing and they pretty much made Daniel Bryan a permanent maineventer and got him over to the next level. I think if the crowds not cheering then it's kind of hard to watch it on telly .
I personally think these are a few of the main reasons WWE is so bad these days.
You bring alot of good points
But i think at the end of the day, WWE sucks because there is no incentive for them to make a good or a bad show. The rating never really moved much up or down the last 12 years, since 2002 or so.
Regardless of what they did, whether it was great or horrible, the rating never skyrocketed nor slumped (except this last year), the 3.0 rating has been their for more than 10 years now.
The competition they have had since WCW closed down was from non wrestling tv shows, which you cannot directly compete against. WWE cannot do NFL better or do some reality show better, they are sports entertainment/wrestling. They cannot copy them and do it better like they did with WCW, which went more realistic and thus WWF at the time followed and just did it better than WCW did.
Some great stuff has been tried, most recently Nexus, CM Punk "pipebomb" character, and before that you had promising story lines, nWo in WWE, Steiner, Goldberg, ECW etc but they are never able to even reach half the potential of these angles.
But i think at the end of the day, WWE sucks because there is no incentive for them to make a good or a bad show. The rating never really moved much up or down the last 12 years, since 2002 or so.
Regardless of what they did, whether it was great or horrible, the rating never skyrocketed nor slumped (except this last year), the 3.0 rating has been their for more than 10 years now.
The competition they have had since WCW closed down was from non wrestling tv shows, which you cannot directly compete against. WWE cannot do NFL better or do some reality show better, they are sports entertainment/wrestling. They cannot copy them and do it better like they did with WCW, which went more realistic and thus WWF at the time followed and just did it better than WCW did.
Some great stuff has been tried, most recently Nexus, CM Punk "pipebomb" character, and before that you had promising story lines, nWo in WWE, Steiner, Goldberg, ECW etc but they are never able to even reach half the potential of these angles.
The real problem is 2 things.. one of them is from WWE's point and the other is from ours.
WWE's problem is that they put so much focus on a short few of their superstars and now they are finding it difficult to find their next top superstars that can be at the same level as todays top stars (Cena & Punk) and the past eras stars (Rock, Austin & Triple H). Yes, they have Sheamus, Ziggler etc.. but I just think that they can't pull it off and have them at the same level as old top stars of the company.
The WWE fans problem is the fact that because we all have our favourite superstars that were in the past, it's hard to let the past go and it's easy to compare the present to the past.. i do this alot. I sit and watch a Cena vs Punk match and think "Wonder what a Punk vs Austin match would be like?" + I have to compare the crowd reactions from the current crop of stars to the past stars and WWE say 8-10 years ago got huge reactions for all matches that were on the card for that night as to now, the divas barely get a reaction and some stars are just their for jobbing and don't get any time to show their personality and mic skills, for example, Yoshi, Tyson, Gabriel etc.. You can argue me about the crowd reactions but in today's WWE, only a handpick few of cities cheer the lungs off such as Chicago, Miami etc..
WWE's problem is that they put so much focus on a short few of their superstars and now they are finding it difficult to find their next top superstars that can be at the same level as todays top stars (Cena & Punk) and the past eras stars (Rock, Austin & Triple H). Yes, they have Sheamus, Ziggler etc.. but I just think that they can't pull it off and have them at the same level as old top stars of the company.
The WWE fans problem is the fact that because we all have our favourite superstars that were in the past, it's hard to let the past go and it's easy to compare the present to the past.. i do this alot. I sit and watch a Cena vs Punk match and think "Wonder what a Punk vs Austin match would be like?" + I have to compare the crowd reactions from the current crop of stars to the past stars and WWE say 8-10 years ago got huge reactions for all matches that were on the card for that night as to now, the divas barely get a reaction and some stars are just their for jobbing and don't get any time to show their personality and mic skills, for example, Yoshi, Tyson, Gabriel etc.. You can argue me about the crowd reactions but in today's WWE, only a handpick few of cities cheer the lungs off such as Chicago, Miami etc..
My personal opinion what's wrong with the WWE is an aging CEO, terrible writers, and the inability of the WWE to accept change.
The worst part of it all is the writing. Now I know the writers come up with the story-lines BUT everyone knows that VKM has the final say so. I think Vince is a majority of the problem. He has an idea on what he wants and that's what will happen. He still feels that what worked in the 1990's and 2000s will still work today.
A perfect example is the fans sick of Cena. No matter how many complaints there are about Cena being stale, they won't listen. Then you throw in a daughter and son in law who really have no eye for talent or business like Vince does, and you have disaster written all over it.
It was so bad they couldn't admit that they were wrong about Punk and literally had to destroy his momentum after SS 2011. He was still very over so they refused to push him as their top face (even though he was outselling Cena). So Punk had to ask to go heel. Not only that, they stole Punk's feuds and stories and gave them to Cena. Because of Cena, so many wrestlers have suffered. I am just pointing out Punk, but Ryder and others had the same exact issue. If VKM didn't pick you, you're really not getting the push you deserve. Fans are sick and tired of what Vince feels is wrestler material.
Also another issue us how many times can they have the same matches on RAW and SD, then have them headline PPV's. Example Punk/Cena Sheamus/ADR.
The worst part of it all is the writing. Now I know the writers come up with the story-lines BUT everyone knows that VKM has the final say so. I think Vince is a majority of the problem. He has an idea on what he wants and that's what will happen. He still feels that what worked in the 1990's and 2000s will still work today.
A perfect example is the fans sick of Cena. No matter how many complaints there are about Cena being stale, they won't listen. Then you throw in a daughter and son in law who really have no eye for talent or business like Vince does, and you have disaster written all over it.
It was so bad they couldn't admit that they were wrong about Punk and literally had to destroy his momentum after SS 2011. He was still very over so they refused to push him as their top face (even though he was outselling Cena). So Punk had to ask to go heel. Not only that, they stole Punk's feuds and stories and gave them to Cena. Because of Cena, so many wrestlers have suffered. I am just pointing out Punk, but Ryder and others had the same exact issue. If VKM didn't pick you, you're really not getting the push you deserve. Fans are sick and tired of what Vince feels is wrestler material.
Also another issue us how many times can they have the same matches on RAW and SD, then have them headline PPV's. Example Punk/Cena Sheamus/ADR.
My names Dominic, I'm new to the forum. I'm 31, and have been a fan as far back as I can remember. Which would be bundy crushing hogans ribs
Lets get to business. Rock is fighting for title at Royal Rumble, and we haven't seen Brock since the HHH match. I guess everything we heard about WCW throwing money at guys and never using them might have actually been a great idea after all. Was I the only one thinking that Rock should have been the last person to come out tonight? Where has Brock been, I figured it would have made sense to have the Heyman family on the survivor series team.
Lets get to business. Rock is fighting for title at Royal Rumble, and we haven't seen Brock since the HHH match. I guess everything we heard about WCW throwing money at guys and never using them might have actually been a great idea after all. Was I the only one thinking that Rock should have been the last person to come out tonight? Where has Brock been, I figured it would have made sense to have the Heyman family on the survivor series team.
#MrScissorsKick
I'm an Alex Morgan Guy
You know, I may get some heat for saying this....but I actually don't mind the PG Era. Before you all jump on me, I want you all to know that I've gotten over the fact that the WWE isn't going to change it's format just because 1 fan doesn't like it. The attitude era is done, over with. We can't go back in the past and bring that era back to replace the one we're in right now. I actually like the creative team right now, after the Ryback - CM Punk match at HIAC i've stopped complaining and just be what everyone should be; a general wrestling fan. My favorite wrestler is now the GM of SmackDown, so I don't have any favorites right now. I don't hate or like one superstar over another but I do believe some superstars have and highlight more entertainment then others. So basically I could be like just another smark and complain about this or that but honestly I'll just sit back and enjoy the WWE - as a general wrestling fan....as wrestling should be.
Sexcellence of Sexecution
#SwerveKing
One of the absolute biggest problems with the WWE today is the lack of character definition, causing the vast majority of the WWE roster to simply blend together. Guys like Kofi Kingston, Justin Gabriel and Tyson kidd are all high flying babyfaces, and we don't really know anything about theme beyond that. They have no real character traits that set them apart from one another. The same goes for guys like Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes who are just generic, cocky heels. This is a major problem because when a wrestler doesn't have a well-defined character its harder to involve them in compelling storylines, or even come up with any kind of storyline to begin with, and the audience can't connect with them.
The purpose of this thread is to pick a wrestler on the WWE roster who current doesn't have a very developed character or gimmick, and give their character an added dimension. You can completely repackage a wrestler or you can just add a new element to their character to try and set them apart from the pack.
I'll start things off with an example involving Cody Rhodes, using an idea I've had for awhile. For me, Cody Rhodes was the most interesting when he was working his mask gimmick, and I would run an angle where he would develop a new version of that character. The story would begin with him dating a female wrestler and having her as his valet. However, the relationship would soon fall apart due to Cody's heel-ness, and the girl would leave him for a babyface. This rejection would drive him over the edge, and cause him to hide his face in shame behind a mask of some sort. Granted, it's not the best angle in the world, but it's still a work in progress.
Anyways, let's see what you've got.
The purpose of this thread is to pick a wrestler on the WWE roster who current doesn't have a very developed character or gimmick, and give their character an added dimension. You can completely repackage a wrestler or you can just add a new element to their character to try and set them apart from the pack.
I'll start things off with an example involving Cody Rhodes, using an idea I've had for awhile. For me, Cody Rhodes was the most interesting when he was working his mask gimmick, and I would run an angle where he would develop a new version of that character. The story would begin with him dating a female wrestler and having her as his valet. However, the relationship would soon fall apart due to Cody's heel-ness, and the girl would leave him for a babyface. This rejection would drive him over the edge, and cause him to hide his face in shame behind a mask of some sort. Granted, it's not the best angle in the world, but it's still a work in progress.
Anyways, let's see what you've got.
Cosmo Surfer
Dark Match Jobber
A major problem with the WWE today imo is the drastic lack of talent. They have done a very poor job (again, imo) of developing stars over the course of the last few years. CM Punk pretty much built himself, Ziggler earned his credibility with awesome ringwork, but if Cena and Punk were to get severely injured and forced into retirement, who would take the top spot? They need to do a better job of finding and building talent. I know there are a lot of HHH haters, but I'm impressed with how he has been rebuilding the tag team division, and I think he will be able to properly select and develop talent for the future.
themizisawesomemikeali
WWE & TNA Mark
I'm sick of this!WWE's been putting on great matches every show and trying their best;Watch HIAC again and see all the AWESOME matches!WWE is doing all the things that IWC wants them to do.Indy darlings like Punk,Cesaro etc are being pushed,New stars are being built(Ziggler,Ryback,Barrett),Cena's not always in the main event and WWE's got a great tag team division(Rhodes Scholars,Hell No etc)You did not want silly comedy like Vince impersonating J.R,Santino and now you don't even see it,You wanted JBL back and he's back,Face turn for The Miz could probably be in the works,Kingston's being pushed etc
WWE is doing everything they possibly can and you people still aren't happy!We've got a great WWE Champion who is having a great reign,Sheamus is no longer champion,DAMN WWE is not even predictable now!Do you know who'll win Ryback/Cena/Punk?I know who'll win Aries/Hardy!Learn to appreciate things more!
WWE is doing everything they possibly can and you people still aren't happy!We've got a great WWE Champion who is having a great reign,Sheamus is no longer champion,DAMN WWE is not even predictable now!Do you know who'll win Ryback/Cena/Punk?I know who'll win Aries/Hardy!Learn to appreciate things more!
To answer your last question first Yes I know who will win and how. Ryback hits Cena with Shellshock, Punk shoves him out of the ring and pins Cena. The WWE IS still predictable & just because they did what the minority wanted to see they still left out two things. Better storylines & better matches. Punk is capable of a lot more in the ring but yet has become just like John Cena with 5 main moves. You shouldn't have to ask for the WWE to give us what we want they should know & do it. And lastly, the PGera needs to end before the product will get better. They are doing the best they can under that umbrella yes but we as adults do not want it anymore. And the WWE are lucky a lot of us are loyal & have not stopped watching. PS Hell In A Cell was terrible.
Is this thread some type of sarcasm? Lol at great tag division. Lol, you're so used to mediocrity from WWE that when WWE throws a bone at you, it tastes like juicy steak. WWE is in bad state. The product sucks. Women's division=garbage, tag division=still mediocre, main event scene=same shit + Ryback this time. Can you honestly look at RAW and say "this is a good show"? Smackdown is a show that no one even cares for. Come on. Stop. WWE has about 6hrs of TV yet they still fail to give guys proper TV time and give guys the proper build. The company is incompetent and for their decades of experience, the product they give is unacceptable. Look how inconsistent they are for fuck sakes. They set up a main event at Survivor Series and then change it a week later. They start and then stop pushes. The product is inconsistent and boring.
Don't even bring in TNA's name. I get more entertainment, substance, and more progress in TNA in a small 2 hour slot than 6hours of WWE in a week. Last week on TNA IMPACT, they gave us advancements in their X-division feud, tag division feud, knockouts division feud, TV title feud, and world heavyweight title feud and still managed to put on an okay show. Meanwhile WWE is filler. I can't even believe a person with an NWO avatar, a group that brought in the golden age of wrestling in the 90s thinks that the garbage WWE puts out is acceptable. UNBELIEVABLE!
Don't even bring in TNA's name. I get more entertainment, substance, and more progress in TNA in a small 2 hour slot than 6hours of WWE in a week. Last week on TNA IMPACT, they gave us advancements in their X-division feud, tag division feud, knockouts division feud, TV title feud, and world heavyweight title feud and still managed to put on an okay show. Meanwhile WWE is filler. I can't even believe a person with an NWO avatar, a group that brought in the golden age of wrestling in the 90s thinks that the garbage WWE puts out is acceptable. UNBELIEVABLE!
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
Look, the problem with the WWE is that the negatives outweight the positives. Just because WWE does some things kind of right doesn't justify the rest of the show being absolutely boring.
The WWE is so transparent these days. People can see right through their bullshit. I can see when they're trying to shove some product in my face, I can see when they're trying to reduce some sentence or segment's controvercy due to their no-longer-hidden political agendas, I can see through exactly what they're trying to accomplish.
I watched RAW last Monday and it was ATROCIOUS. Not a single match I enjoyed, not a single promo I thought was good. The best part of the show for me was ... hold on to your chair ... Ryback. I shocked myself when I realized I love the character. Streak or not, I enjoy it.
What that showed me was that I'm not biased toward WWE like I thought I was. I enjoyed something I thought would suck. Something I expected to suck. Something I was told sucked.
Face it, WWE is just not good. It hasn't been for years. Like I said, a couple of good things and everything else is absolute shit. The numbers don't lie. While TNA's audience has reduced by half a point, WWE's has shrunk in half.
They just hit their lowest rating since 1997. PPV buys are down in general and even the big four aren't doing as well as they used to. Crowd reactions are becoming duller. Attendance is becoming an issue. Their stock is plummeting. Their image in the media and in general is falling apart.
All of this is not a result of the bad economy, it's not a result of wrestling simply being old news, it's the result of WWE's shitty product. They have a monopoly on the business, they've had it for 10+ years. They dictate pro wrestling's image in and outside of the business. They set the bar despite how low or high it may be for them or for other companies. WWE has been dragging not only themselves but also every other pro wrestling company down for YEARS and it's because of the SHIT they put out on a weekly basis.
I recently did a presentation slash project for my University and performed an in-depth analysis of the state of the industry during the Monday Night Wars and now. Don't laugh, I just like writing and doing something that I'm interested in and I do plan on working within one of the two companies eventually, not as a wrestler. My delusions aside, while analyzing the data I found (I'm talking some empirical/academic research done on pro wrestling as well as references from reputable sources, not Dave Meltzer) which wasn't much, not only did I garner even more information about the poor state of the WWE but when presenting I realized just how much they've hurt the business. I was the only person in the room who followed wrestling and everyone else had such bad impressions of pro wrestling in general. They thought it was strictly for the children, it wasn't violent AT ALL and basically described WWE's product today. Cheesy, boring and soft. Not even realizing that pro wrestling is like that because the WWE is like that, not knowing that there is an alternative way of looking at it. An alternative such as ECW was, such as WCW was, such as TNA is and such as the WWF was when they ripped ECW and WCW off.
Low and behold, they didn't know who John Cena was but they could name most stars during the Attitude Era. Not just my colleagues but my teacher who's in his 30's and never followed wrestling. Am I the only one who is not lying to himself? Why do we keep acting like The Attitude Era is passe when some of the best TV shows on right now are RIDDEN with bood, gore, sex and violence? Why can't wrestling be like this? Because it happened before? Fuck no. With good writing anything can fly. PG or not. WWE does not have good writing. Having Vickie Guerrero SQUIRM in the middle of the ring for 30 minutes, gathering heat not because she pushed our buttons but because she is simply unpleasant to listen to, she's annoying in a BAD way, is not good writing. It's torture. It's cheap.
Once presented with some footage of TNA's product, people who weren't even aware of the ins and outs of wrestling wanted to see more and asked where they can get episodes and so on. It was cool to them, it was a good .. fucking .. show.
So fuck the WWE, fuck their product and fuck their wrestlers. This needs to change and the fact that it won't makes it that much worse for the business. Thank God for TNA. They ain't perfect but it sure as hell isn't the turd-fest RAW is.
The WWE is so transparent these days. People can see right through their bullshit. I can see when they're trying to shove some product in my face, I can see when they're trying to reduce some sentence or segment's controvercy due to their no-longer-hidden political agendas, I can see through exactly what they're trying to accomplish.
I watched RAW last Monday and it was ATROCIOUS. Not a single match I enjoyed, not a single promo I thought was good. The best part of the show for me was ... hold on to your chair ... Ryback. I shocked myself when I realized I love the character. Streak or not, I enjoy it.
What that showed me was that I'm not biased toward WWE like I thought I was. I enjoyed something I thought would suck. Something I expected to suck. Something I was told sucked.
Face it, WWE is just not good. It hasn't been for years. Like I said, a couple of good things and everything else is absolute shit. The numbers don't lie. While TNA's audience has reduced by half a point, WWE's has shrunk in half.
They just hit their lowest rating since 1997. PPV buys are down in general and even the big four aren't doing as well as they used to. Crowd reactions are becoming duller. Attendance is becoming an issue. Their stock is plummeting. Their image in the media and in general is falling apart.
All of this is not a result of the bad economy, it's not a result of wrestling simply being old news, it's the result of WWE's shitty product. They have a monopoly on the business, they've had it for 10+ years. They dictate pro wrestling's image in and outside of the business. They set the bar despite how low or high it may be for them or for other companies. WWE has been dragging not only themselves but also every other pro wrestling company down for YEARS and it's because of the SHIT they put out on a weekly basis.
I recently did a presentation slash project for my University and performed an in-depth analysis of the state of the industry during the Monday Night Wars and now. Don't laugh, I just like writing and doing something that I'm interested in and I do plan on working within one of the two companies eventually, not as a wrestler. My delusions aside, while analyzing the data I found (I'm talking some empirical/academic research done on pro wrestling as well as references from reputable sources, not Dave Meltzer) which wasn't much, not only did I garner even more information about the poor state of the WWE but when presenting I realized just how much they've hurt the business. I was the only person in the room who followed wrestling and everyone else had such bad impressions of pro wrestling in general. They thought it was strictly for the children, it wasn't violent AT ALL and basically described WWE's product today. Cheesy, boring and soft. Not even realizing that pro wrestling is like that because the WWE is like that, not knowing that there is an alternative way of looking at it. An alternative such as ECW was, such as WCW was, such as TNA is and such as the WWF was when they ripped ECW and WCW off.
Low and behold, they didn't know who John Cena was but they could name most stars during the Attitude Era. Not just my colleagues but my teacher who's in his 30's and never followed wrestling. Am I the only one who is not lying to himself? Why do we keep acting like The Attitude Era is passe when some of the best TV shows on right now are RIDDEN with bood, gore, sex and violence? Why can't wrestling be like this? Because it happened before? Fuck no. With good writing anything can fly. PG or not. WWE does not have good writing. Having Vickie Guerrero SQUIRM in the middle of the ring for 30 minutes, gathering heat not because she pushed our buttons but because she is simply unpleasant to listen to, she's annoying in a BAD way, is not good writing. It's torture. It's cheap.
Once presented with some footage of TNA's product, people who weren't even aware of the ins and outs of wrestling wanted to see more and asked where they can get episodes and so on. It was cool to them, it was a good .. fucking .. show.
So fuck the WWE, fuck their product and fuck their wrestlers. This needs to change and the fact that it won't makes it that much worse for the business. Thank God for TNA. They ain't perfect but it sure as hell isn't the turd-fest RAW is.
Honestly I don't think it's solely the hate of WWE, but also fans who defend WWE at all costs. A couple of years ago when criticizing the product everyone would blame you to be a TNA fan, as if WWE were doing everything right and as if people were complaining for no reason. Every negative that has been brought out, people were ready to just justify the mistake and act like WWE's shit didn't smell. Well, it did smell after all. The problem is, you can't see the aftermath of a great quality program straight away. The ratings won't jump to the roof next week just because you did one good show. It took nearly a year of great programs, if not more for WWE to get the leadership back in 1998. Just like that, viewership doesn't decline straight away but in time, there will be more and more people who will just lose interest in watching the show. Two years ago I and many others were saying the ratings started to have a declining trend, and everyone including mods were bashing us and claiming the show is doing great. When is the alarm bell going to ring, when you have 2.0 rating for a live Raw.
IF you really want to see a better show, first you need to accept that something is wrong. Not after months later, but when it is actually happening. Because that moment will be the only time you can make a difference. You can just switch the channel and send a message. If you continuously act like the show is great when everything is going south, you won't find anyone watching the show when things start to go north
IF you really want to see a better show, first you need to accept that something is wrong. Not after months later, but when it is actually happening. Because that moment will be the only time you can make a difference. You can just switch the channel and send a message. If you continuously act like the show is great when everything is going south, you won't find anyone watching the show when things start to go north
themizisawesomemikeali
WWE & TNA Mark
Well If you have more than 8 hours of television to book you can't do everything the right way.People are bitching over Fandango;Can't they understand that WWE has used every possible gimmick that they could?When they're recycled they get bashed!Could anyone explain the negatives of WWE?Some people might say the AJ-Vickie-Cena affair angle but a man once said;'Never judge a book by its cover' They may have something big in plan
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
Well If you have more than 8 hours of television to book you can't do everything the right way.People are bitching over Fandango;Can't they understand that WWE has used every possible gimmick that they could?When they're recycled they get bashed!Could anyone explain the negatives of WWE?Some people might say the AJ-Vickie-Cena affair angle but a man once said;'Never judge a book by its cover' They may have something big in plan
Really? You're still defending that shit?
Okay, ignoring the question about explaining the WWE's negatives since there's SO many it's actually impossible, ignoring the stupid comment about 8 hours of television (there's one of your fucking negatives, who the FUCK watches wrestling 8 hours a week) ... the AJ-Cena thing.
Yes, they could have something big in store. But guess what ... they don't have it right now and I bet my dick they won't have it later. That's the thing with WWE fans. You always think something's gonna happen .... LATER. Even if it sucks now, you keep thinking WWE will pull something amazing out of their ass. You keep thinking there's more to it. And literally every single time that's not the case. EVERY TIME. It's as boring as it was in the beginning. Stop thinking WWE is THAT smart. They're not. They're morons.
As a viewer I want quality NOW so I can invest myself LATER. Sheep like you make up for the quality by forming delusions to keep them from not watching.
What are the two possible outcomes of this feud?
1. Cena was fucking AJ.
2. Cena was not fucking AJ.
Actually. There's just one outcome. This is a storyline where a heel is blackmailing a face. The face will go through some struggles, the truth will come out, the face will be innocent. You know, just like on iMPACT.
TNA's storyline sucked tits and usually theirs are 3 times better than WWE's. So do the math. Do the math and detatch your lips from McMahon's ass. Seriously.
ECW Sandman
Getting Noticed By Management
The title says it all Who is to blame for the poor ratings in WWE Vince McMahon The writers or both.
Me personally I blame Vince with all the rewrites that he makes everyone do, With the stories going around the net in the last months how they don't have all the storylines written out until minutes before airtime Vince puts the blame on the writers and some of the wrestlers as well.
So The Question is Who is to blame for the Poor ratings In WWE The Writers, Vince McMahon or Both.
Your Thoughts .
Me personally I blame Vince with all the rewrites that he makes everyone do, With the stories going around the net in the last months how they don't have all the storylines written out until minutes before airtime Vince puts the blame on the writers and some of the wrestlers as well.
So The Question is Who is to blame for the Poor ratings In WWE The Writers, Vince McMahon or Both.
Your Thoughts .
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