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[The Man They Call WMD]

I agree they could have, and maybe should have gone this route. But, as an Orton fan (which I understand you're not), this works.

Orton has been working in the shadow of John Cena for an entire year now, despite live crowds going absolutely insane for the guy. No matter what he did, Cena was #1. Orton wasn't even the featured guy when he held the strap last fall. This is his chance to headline a show, and not work in someone else's shadown.

For this reason, I think it was important to establish Orton quickly, as the face of the program. Did it need to be done this week? No, it could have taken all Summer, actually, and I wouldn't have cared. But had Christian held the title for a good amount of time, the younger and more popular Orton may have lost steam. I understand that doesn't mean much to you, since you dislike the guy, but it means something to his fans who have been waiting all year for him to have his own show.

Orton is younger and more popular. If you want him to be the other face of the company, it's time to build him up on Smackdown, not have him play second fiddle, again, like he did to John Cena.

Why would he lose steam?

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Why would he lose steam?

I said he may. Look, I'm coming from the angle of being one of his fans. For a year now, I've had to watch him blow up every building he's walked into, and still be overshadowed by a guy I don't like. I don't speak for all Orton fans, but this is his time. It's his show. So as much as I like Christian, and understanding this is far from over, I'm not angry about it.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

My main problem with Orton being the top guy is the top guy has to cut promos. IMO Orton in kayfabe shouldn't be much of a speaker.His character is more of the silent type.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

My main problem with Orton being the top guy is the top guy has to cut promos. IMO Orton in kayfabe shouldn't be much of a speaker.His character is more of the silent type.

This has been his character for the past year, but now that he has his own show, not sure that's going to continue.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

This has been his character for the past year, but now that he has his own show, not sure that's going to continue.

Think he is up to it?

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Think he is up to it?

Orton haters will say no, but if you watched him as a heel, the guy can work a mic, if given the opportunity to do so.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

Orton haters will say no, but if you watched him as a heel, the guy can work a mic, if given the opportunity to do so.

I expect he will tween as more of a face, hbu?

 

[X]

I agree they could have, and maybe should have gone this route. But, as an Orton fan (which I understand you're not), this works.

Orton has been working in the shadow of John Cena for an entire year now, despite live crowds going absolutely insane for the guy. No matter what he did, Cena was #1. Orton wasn't even the featured guy when he held the strap last fall. This is his chance to headline a show, and not work in someone else's shadown.

For this reason, I think it was important to establish Orton quickly, as the face of the program. Did it need to be done this week? No, it could have taken all Summer, actually, and I wouldn't have cared. But had Christian held the title for a good amount of time, the younger and more popular Orton may have lost steam. I understand that doesn't mean much to you, since you dislike the guy, but it means something to his fans who have been waiting all year for him to have his own show.

Orton is younger and more popular. If you want him to be the other face of the company, it's time to build him up on Smackdown, not have him play second fiddle, again, like he did to John Cena.

Randy Orton has not lost any steam whatsoever. He's proven in fact he does not need the belt at all, because he's going to be over as fuck anyways regardless. That, and the fact that he CONSTANTLY WINS EVERY MATCH HE'S IN tend for me to have to call bullshit here. Orton has gone over Punk cleanly twice in good matches, he's not exactly in any danger of not being one of their major stars anymore if he doesn't quickly get a meaningless title reign.

And no, I'm not an Orton fan. The man is typically excruciatingly boring in the ring, totally devoid of any emotion on the mic, and tends to only be able to deliver good matches when he's in the ring with someone more experienced and/or talented than him.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Randy Orton has not lost any steam whatsoever.

I didn't say he had lost steam, I said he may if kept in second place for too long, on a brand new show, which should belong to him.

He's proven in fact he does not need the belt at all, because he's going to be over as fuck anyways regardless.

Him being over is no longer enough. It's his time, on Smackdown, whether internet smarks love or hate it.

That, and the fact that he CONSTANTLY WINS EVERY MATCH HE'S IN tend for me to have to call bullshit here.

He wins every match, but those matches have hardly headlined. Even when he was the WWE champion this past fall, he wasn't the focus. Now, he is, and playing second fiddle to Christian wasn't going to help that cause.

Orton has gone over Punk cleanly twice in good matches, he's not exactly in any danger of not being one of their major stars anymore if he doesn't quickly get a meaningless title reign.

Not sure how you can call this title reign meaningless, seeing it hasn't even happened yet.

And no, I'm not an Orton fan. The man is typically excruciatingly boring in the ring, totally devoid of any emotion on the mic, and tends to only be able to deliver good matches when he's in the ring with someone more experienced and/or talented than him.

In your opinion.

We all have them. I think John Cena is overly cheesy, and I cringe when he speaks. I think Kofi Kingston does nothing outside of jump high and get his head kicked in. As much as I like Christian, I think he's boring as fuck as a babyface. I hope this leads to a heel turn, personally.

 

[klunderbunker]

Puts him at the bottom of that group, a group that includes The Great Khali and Jack Swagger.

Far from it. Their entire reigns didn't combine to equal the great night he had Sunday.

He's already had one... no, wait, he's already had 8... and he's been in the WWE for the same amount of time as Christian. Not to mention nobody is saying he doesn't deserve one, just that Christian deserves a chance too.

I didn't think he deserved one. I thought it was a big gamble and that without Edge getting hurt he never would have gotten one.

Except he won't, another kick in the nads to Christian fans. You've said it yourself, Christian doesn't deserve to have a title reign, much less go over Orton.

How many people would have sworn up and down that Kane never would have gotten another one? He did.

Except Christian wasn't going to die if he didn't get a championship belt. What a horrible analogy.

Austin said the belt was his life. Works for me.

To see how the show regains champ. Everyone and their mother knows that Smackdown wouldn't have a belt for long.

Not sure kids think that far ahead.

But if they don't know about the title switch they'd be just as likely to tune in. And they'd still get the thrill of watching a title match and a retention.

So in other words, Christian or Orton having the belt doesn't change anything?

What are you getting at? My point is that kids aren't going to lose interest during a three week feud and buildup for a title match.

No but they're going to get more interested the faster things move.

Of course you can grade a squash, just because you choose not to doesn't mean it's ungradable.

By my standards it does.

Once again, he's in company with Jack Swagger and Great Khali. Not exactly great.

Better than being in the company of people with no world titles.

Heresay, not to mention the fact that we already discussed how 10 years down the road this wouldn't be such a bad thing. At the time, little 11 year old KB would have been upset.

I wasn't when he lost it three weeks later.

Doesn't change the fact that Christian's title reign was less than a week, which is a total joke.

Better that than never winning it at all.

How very masochistic of you.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

 

[Smartie]

Fuck you. Fuck Vince. Fuck Orton. Fuck HHH. Fuck Edge. Fuck everyone.

 

[JGlass]

Far from it. Their entire reigns didn't combine to equal the great night he had Sunday.

Except having the belt lifted off of him a mere two days after he won it kills just about any joy he got out of getting it. Imagine if N64 kid opened that box, plugged in his N64, popped in a game and then when he turned it on the thing died and his parents never got him a new one. That would suck.

I didn't think he deserved one. I thought it was a big gamble and that without Edge getting hurt he never would have gotten one.

But we're not talking about what you or I think, we're talking about Christian's fans. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a fan of Christian that doesn't think he earned the belt and a title reign.

How many people would have sworn up and down that Kane never would have gotten another one? He did.

12 years later! Christian isn't going to be around for twelve more years!

Austin said the belt was his life. Works for me.

So because one wrestler said the belt was his life it now applies to all wrestlers? Not buying it.

Not sure kids think that far ahead.

What's to think ahead about? You are once again assuming that kids are dumb and unperceptive. If a kid has been watching the WWE for 3 years, they know how the system works. Each show has one world title, one midcard title, and (recently) the tag title and divas title is split between shows. They know that if there is some sort of unbalance, it will be corrected eventually.

So in other words, Christian or Orton having the belt doesn't change anything?

Not when it comes to watching a match they were not prepared to watch.

No but they're going to get more interested the faster things move.

What's your reasoning behind this? Sometimes if things move too quickly, people lose interest. Happens in television and movies all the time.

By my standards it does.

It doesn't matter what your standards are.

Better than being in the company of people with no world titles.

Oh, I don't know about that. You said it yourself earlier that there are plenty of great wrestlers that have won the big one in the WWE, including Roddy Piper, Ted DiBiase, Ricky Steamboat, Vader, Jake the Snake, and countless others.

I wasn't when he lost it three weeks later.

Probably because you were 11.

Better that than never winning it at all.

As we have proven, that's debatable. He could either be remembered as one of the best guys to never win the big one, or as the guy who had one of the worst title reigns of all time.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Fuck you. Fuck Vince. Fuck Orton. Fuck HHH. Fuck Edge. Fuck everyone.

Fuck It.

Man, you are killin' it tonight.

 

[klunderbunker]

Except having the belt lifted off of him a mere two days after he won it kills just about any joy he got out of getting it. Imagine if N64 kid opened that box, plugged in his N64, popped in a game and then when he turned it on the thing died and his parents never got him a new one. That would suck.

Then he's an idiot for not taking it back to the store or complaining to the manufacturer.

But we're not talking about what you or I think, we're talking about Christian's fans. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a fan of Christian that doesn't think he earned the belt and a title reign.

I think I'd also be hardpressed to find a Christian fan that is rational when it comes to him.

12 years later! Christian isn't going to be around for twelve more years!

Good thing he got his world title before he retires then isn't it?

So because one wrestler said the belt was his life it now applies to all wrestlers? Not buying it.

You missed the point on that one.

What's to think ahead about? You are once again assuming that kids are dumb and unperceptive. If a kid has been watching the WWE for 3 years, they know how the system works. Each show has one world title, one midcard title, and (recently) the tag title and divas title is split between shows. They know that if there is some sort of unbalance, it will be corrected eventually.

I'd doubt a lot of the kids have been watching for three years. I'd watch for the titles.

Not when it comes to watching a match they were not prepared to watch.

Prepared to watch? If that's the case no one is ready to watch most TV matches as they have about an hour and a half notice.

What's your reasoning behind this? Sometimes if things move too quickly, people lose interest. Happens in television and movies all the time.

Yeah, and then at other times there are people like shock. There was this thing called the Attitude Era that was kind of based on it.

It doesn't matter what your standards are.

I'm the person arguing with you. Yeah they kind of do.

Oh, I don't know about that. You said it yourself earlier that there are plenty of great wrestlers that have won the big one in the WWE, including Roddy Piper, Ted DiBiase, Ricky Steamboat, Vader, Jake the Snake, and countless others.

Uh.....am I missing something here? None of them won any world titles.

Probably because you were 11.

Meaning older and smarter than the majority of the WWE fans.

As we have proven, that's debatable. He could either be remembered as one of the best guys to never win the big one, or as the guy who had one of the worst title reigns of all time.

And you've jumped to the conclusion that it'll be the latter three full days before the match aired.

 

[JGlass]

Then he's an idiot for not taking it back to the store or complaining to the manufacturer.

And there it is. Something gets taken away unfairly quick, and he should complain (and by extension so should his fans). Hell, you said they'd be an idiot for not complaining!

Uh.....am I missing something here? None of them won any world titles.

Yeah, I made a pretty major typo and left out the word never. Never won the big one in the WWE.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

JCW REPORT (Juggalo Championship Wrestling)

Spoiler

his was my second JCW iPPV and I’ve watched most of the old Slam TV’s from JCW. Last week’s coverage by Mike Johnson cracked me up. I’m not a Juggalo so I don’t understand some of the references they make or enjoy the musical acts.

I had all sorts of problems trying to log in. It took at least 20 minutes and 2 reboots. Still this week no full screen, but i did figure out how to get rid of the chat.

Video got started around 7:09 with a really dark screen and drums to a 10 second count down.

First introduced is DJ Clay, then Kevin Gill and Shaggy 2 Dope as our announce team.

KG welcomes us to St Andrews Brawl. "We are here to show you what the F**k JCW is all about" and runs down the card.

Things Gordon Solie never said: "Let's get this s**t straight."

Bull Pain and Isabella Smothers interrupt and make their way into the ring with a mic. They both run down the crowd and Isabella declares her love for Bull Pain. Then Isabella issues an open challenge to prove their "bond is strong". Bull Pain thinks its a bad idea but Isabella says his love makes her stronger and to go to the back because she has it covered. Bull Pain goes to the back and out comes Corporal Robinson. The announcers wonder if he is cleared medically to wrestle.

Corporal Robinson vs. Isabella Smothers

Things Gordon Solie never said: "Thank God we don't have doctors to regulate s**t."

Corp lets Isabella get in the first shot. They go back and forth with Corp getting in a few shots and Isabella begging off. After a chair shot to Isabella, Bull Pain makes his way out and keeps Corp from making the pin. Bull and Isabella try to double team Corp, but Isabella hits Bull with a bat. Then Corp hits Boot Camp on Isabella and a superkick to Bull Pain.

Your winner, Corporal Robinson!

KG makes his way to the ring to get a few words with the winner. He is asked how he is feeling after getting choke slammed off the stage through a table at the last show. Corp says it was hard, but all the love from the Juggalo's made his recovery faster. He says he is gonna work his way from the bottom to the top of the roster to get his JCW World Title back.

A JCW Video package aired.

Up Chuck the Clown is back as the ring announcer and so are the somewhat hot ring girls.

Superstar Bill Martel vs. Kawabata

Things Gordon Solie never said: "I'm f**king Geeked."

Martel starts off by attacking Kawabata before the bell. Kawabata then dominates with karate style kicks and chops.

Things Gordon Solie never said "Right in the d**k button."

After a punch to the "eggroll", Martell then works over Kawabata with the old school ground game. They are not doing the sound effects this week and that is AWESOME! Martell goes to the top and misses and elbow drop. They fight back and forth and Kawabata uses blue mist and hits "Kurt Kobain" for the win.

Your Winner, Kawabata!

They air a video package about the JCW Fan Fest.

I see Sexy Slim Goody! Awesome. Jason Dukes is hillarious.

#1 Contenders Match for JCW Tag Titles: The Bumpin' Uglies vs Mad Man Pondo and Necro Butcher.

This is gonna be a brawl. Chairs, stop signs, and other assorted plunder in the ring. All four start off brawling in the ring. Necro and one of the Uglies fight outside the ring. Necro goes to the top rope and says its not high enough. They all then make their way to the crowd. Necro then does a pretty ugly looking dive off the balcony onto both of the Uglies. Necro stays on the floor selling a leg while Pondo takes both of the Uglies back toward the ring and take control and do some double team work on Pondo. They ram Pondo into a chair in the corner and he is now busted wide open. The continue to work Pondo over until Necro makes his way back into the ring as a house of fire, but his leg gives out and the Uglies are back in control. The commentary in this match has been extremely lame as the guys discuss how the Uglies are actually Martians.

Bull Pain now gets back up and brings a cinder block and sledgehammer in the ring. He corners one of the Uglies and smashed the cinder block in the crotch with the sledge. Now a table is set up and the other Ugly is thrown from the tope rope through the table for the pin.

Your winners and #1 contenders Mad Man Pondo and Necro Butcher!

Pondo takes the mic after the match. He talks about the tag champs, the Ring Rydas. He says they will never underestimate them again. He says that Jugglos don't fight other Jugglos, so they will wait until the Ring Rydas drop the belts and then take the first shot at that team.

Talk now about May 18th iPPV Ponydown Throw Down and show a video package.

The announcers do some serious stalling.

Sexy Slim Goody vs U-Gene

Who doesn't love a big, fat blonde guy dancing to "If You Think I'm Sexy?"

U-Gene gets the mic and says his best friend Zach Gowen couldn't be here, but is watching on iPPV. U-Gene tries to get the crowd to sing happy birthday to Zach and Goody takes the mic and says no one wants to sing with him and that no one is really his friend. He calls Gowen a one legged loser and U-Gene snaps and takes it to him. The announcers call U-Gene the Rainman of Wrestling.

After a missed knee drop from the top rope, U-Gene works over the knee inside and outside the ring. Including a figure four around the ring post. Goody is tapping but the ref doesn't see it. U-Gene then says he is going tp turn Goody into a one legged man and pushes the ref and the match is declared a no contest. U-Gene then works over Goody's leg with a chair. Security has to drag U-Gene out and they have to help Goody to the back.

Now some bald guy comes out to introduce the Tag Champ match.

The Haters vs. JCW Tag Team champions The Ring Rydas

All four start out in the ring. Haters get early advantage and its quickly turned around. Haters heel the crowd a bit and now its one on one. These guys are all masked so its a bit rough to talk about. The Rydas dominate now with quick tags. Ryda blue did a neat spot with a Matrix into a standing moonsault that was really cool. After that Haters dominate Ryda blue while Ryda red gets the crowd going.

Another cool spot with blue hitting a code breaker into red hitting a back senton from the top rope. Rydas dominate with some neat tag double team moves and a double dive to the outside. Haters now take control in the ring and hit a cool "lung blower". I think its a wheel barrell into a code breaker. They then hit the Hater Bomb but red makes the save. A top rope stomp and spike piledriver by the Rydas for the 3 count.

Your winners, The Riny Rydas!

This was a really fun match!

A video package airs about the 420 iPPV title match.

KG now goes to the ring to talk to the new champion Butler Jeeves. He comes out with Breyer Wellengton and Truth Martini. Truth grabs the mic from KG and shushes the crowd. He says he is now the manager of the greatest wrestler AND the jcw champion.

Butler Jeeves points out that Jeeves doesn't have a contract with Truth. Wellington then takes the mic and tells Jeeves to remember that he owns him and is his boss and that includes Truth Martini. Wellington says if he wants the belt, he can just take it.

JCW Commissioner Violent J comes out and points out that Butler Jeeves has to take on the #1 contender 2 Tuff Tony and he will meet him at the next iPPV for the title.

Now the musical guest so its time for a dinner break - As a point of reference, I was able to make a 15 minute run to Subway and back during the music act.

Now we are back with Badge vs. Mask - Officer Colt Cabana vs The Weedman

Colt comes out and again arrests one of the crowd members.

The story with Weedman's mask is that he is a huge pot dealer in the Detroit area and can't reveal his identity. The match didn't go very long with just a little back and forth. Weedman hits a few of his moves and out of the blue Colt hits the cell block slam for the pin.

Your winner Officer Colt Cabana!

Just as Colt is making Weedman take off his mask, he makes him an offer to keep his mask but become his deputy to arrest all of the Juggalos. Weedman thinks about it but just can't take off his mask so he shakes Colt's hand and Cabana screams "Police Family" and tells Deputy Weedman to take the Juggalo he arrested earlier and book him.

Now we look at a video about Rob Conway to prep for our main event.

Sabu with Charlie Brown and Rob Conway vs. Rhyno and 2 Tuff Tony

Charlie takes the mic and says Sabu is great and explains that 2 Tuff Tony paid Rob Conway to beat up Sabu. Charlie then says he had another idea and paid Conway more to turn on Tony and tonight his guys will win.

Tony and Rhyno control early and with Rhyno and Sabu now alone in the ring. Sabu gets worked over by Rhyno and Tony with quick tags. Rhyno distracts the ref while Sabu is down. This allows Conway to come in and lay out Tony. Now Sabu makes tag and Conway takes it to Tony. Tony finally manages a mule kick and in comes Rhyno as a house of fire. He sets up for a Gore Gore Gore against Conway and nails it but he can't make the pin.

Conway takes off his shirt and he has a steel plate on his chest. Rob then takes the mic and says he was paid to take out Rhyno and he did. If Charlie wants him to take out Tony he'll have to pay more...Charlie has no more money so he takes off and leaves Sabu alone in the ring.

Sabu then hits 3 Arabian facebusters on Tony but he was in the ropes for the pin. More chair shots and finally Tony gets a counter. He tries a moonsault from the 2nd rope but missed and Sabu goes into the camel clutch. Its not enough as Tony fights out and gets control with headbuts and now he's busted wide open and suplexes Sabu onto a chair but only a 2 count. Sabu tries to leave but Tony catches him and gives him a suplex on the stage.

Tony grabs his booze and walks to the ring to wait for a count out but Sabu crawls in only to get a top rope rocker dropper. The back of Sabu's head is busted open. Sabu then kicks out of a Tony driver so he loads up a lighted fist and clocks Sabu for a two count. Announcer says no one has ever kicked out of the flaming fist. Tony loads up for a second flaming fist and that one did the trick.

Your winner 2 Tuff Tony!

A pretty good, stiff brawl.

Out runs Wellington, Jeeves, and Martini to beat down on Tony because he is the #1 contender. Corporal Robinson comes out to make the save but the numbers game is too much. Out comes Violent J and he cleans the house but out comes Kongo Kong and takes out J. Shaggy now leaves the booth and takes a chair to clean out the ring.

Things Gordon Solie never said "You don't f**k with a bunch of clowns"

I think this was on par, if not better, than the last iPPV.

If you can get over the Juggalo thing and the blue commentary, there are a lot worse ways to spend $5.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

JCW REPORT (Juggalo Championship Wrestling)

I doubt anyone else is gonna give a shit but I appreciate it.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

I doubt anyone else is gonna give a shit but I appreciate it.

It's a good read so I posted it. Hope people enjoy it. If not o well.

 

[klunderbunker]

And there it is. Something gets taken away unfairly quick, and he should complain (and by extension so should his fans). Hell, you said they'd be an idiot for not complaining!

Not the same thing. Christian lost the title fairly in a match that based on the reports had a clean ending. If he lost it on a technicality or a Dusty Finish I'd agree.

 

[JGlass]

Not the same thing. Christian lost the title fairly in a match that based on the reports had a clean ending. If he lost it on a technicality or a Dusty Finish I'd agree.

I fail to see how the fashion in which he lost is has anything to do with what we're talking about here. We're not talking about the kayfabe wrestler Christian being upset, we're talking about Jason Reso and his fans having the right to be upset. They aren't upset because of how he lost the belt, they are upset because he had it for such a short amount of time.

 

[klunderbunker]

Again that translates to them being greedy. For years I heard them begging for him to get a title win and he got that. That's all anyone ever said they wanted and he got it. Be happy for him that he got it even for a little while. It's better than not getting one at all.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Fuck you. Fuck Vince. Fuck Orton. Fuck HHH. Fuck Edge. Fuck everyone.

 

[klunderbunker]

Watching Smackdown now. Orton's pop when he comes out at the beginning of the show is HUGE. Dwarfed Christian's.

 

[The Doctor]

 

[klunderbunker]

Then why wouldn't they can one for Christian? Also the fans jumping to their feet and having their mouths open would disagree with you.