The Triple H Thread
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Azrael Cain
The alternative is unthinkable.
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I was debating whether to put 'has' or 'had' when typing out the connection comment. It's clear what I went with. Mind you, I am not saying other guys do not. This topic being about HHH, I mention only him and his connection with the fans.
I read his biography, so I have a pretty fair idea of when they met, at least according to him. I try not to just open my mouth and let things come out that I cannot back up or prove.
I want to know what we are measuring HHH against here when we say "he used to be." Are we measuring him against what he was when he was younger or to another wrestler entirely, or some imaginary standard?
Granted that, I meant it in a sense of I still react to the moves he pulls of night in and night out. Shame that only finishers came to mind, but everyone uses a DDT and a neck-breaker, etc. Again, it's how it's done, not what is done.
There is a difference between selling and making yourself look good at the expense of others. Triple H has done the latter many times, and so have other workers in the Main event spot. Why is it that it's never held against then but always against HHH? What if he wasn't married to Stephanie and was still pulling this off, what would we blame then?
During that time, the WWE was catering to a different demographic and fan base and could pull off the things they did. It's different now, and so the story-lines have to be adjusted accordingly...
I was debating whether to put 'has' or 'had' when typing out the connection comment. It's clear what I went with. Mind you, I am not saying other guys do not. This topic being about HHH, I mention only him and his connection with the fans.
I read his biography, so I have a pretty fair idea of when they met, at least according to him. I try not to just open my mouth and let things come out that I cannot back up or prove.
I want to know what we are measuring HHH against here when we say "he used to be." Are we measuring him against what he was when he was younger or to another wrestler entirely, or some imaginary standard?
Granted that, I meant it in a sense of I still react to the moves he pulls of night in and night out. Shame that only finishers came to mind, but everyone uses a DDT and a neck-breaker, etc. Again, it's how it's done, not what is done.
There is a difference between selling and making yourself look good at the expense of others. Triple H has done the latter many times, and so have other workers in the Main event spot. Why is it that it's never held against then but always against HHH? What if he wasn't married to Stephanie and was still pulling this off, what would we blame then?
During that time, the WWE was catering to a different demographic and fan base and could pull off the things they did. It's different now, and so the story-lines have to be adjusted accordingly...
First of all i want to say to the people i have replied to thanks for not getting all heated up or taking anything personal as this is how the discussion should go. sorry if i come off like an asshole but that's just how i debate. lol.
now let's get to it...
now let's get to it...
That's an unfortunately true statement. People are forced to used half-assed logic to defend things they either don't know about or don't agree with. but luckily i don't get paid to do this, i do it for fun. lol.
which is my point. i'm not sure if vince personally oversees every aspect of the company but as owner he has the right to do so and if something that he doesn't agree with occurs he (i assume) makes the necessary adjustments to get it to how he wants meaning everyone answers to him. this doesn't make these people powerless i just means they aren't omnipotent. i'm sure no one was saying HHH has more power than vince or the power to overrule vince.
as for this i was saying that as close as the clique was to vince i'm sure they had atleast met shane and stephanie back then. for all we know she might have liked him back then and asked vince to take care of him (purely an assumption)
o ok i see now. but ask yourself are they the moves that come to mind because they are finishers? or was it because MOST of the people u named don't have the same repetitive moveset(notice i didn't say limited). plus you are right that it is not the move but how it is done but other people have that quality as well. Test(r.i.p.) for example wasn't the most talented in the ring but IMO he had one of if not the best big boots in wrestling.
Big difference here. but i am not crucifying him for making himself look good. every main eventer has to do that otherwise they wouldn't be in the mainevent. however, undertaker, hbk, jericho, edge, etc don't have to appear invincible in order to stay over. HHH doesn't NEED to either but he does. i mean he literally barely ever sells. as a fan of his you have seen his matches. the guy is like the incredible hulk. look at his win percentage. a recent wwe mag had the superstars' win percentages in it for i think 2008 HHH was in the top 5 i believe. i think the other people were like the undertaker, who doesn't wrestle that often, i think orton, who was injured for an amount of time and we all know he wins by using underhanded tactics half of the time, and hbk who doesn't wrestle that often and half of his matches were tag matches with guess who HHH. i don't remember the other person probably cena but we could make the same argument for him as HHH. HHH was i think one or two on this list the problem with this is he wrestles more often than 85% of the roster. if that isn't enough i have the perfect example. vickie put him in three matches one night. one was a handicap match don't remember the other one but the last one was a last man standing. now generally faces are the only people who get put in these situations. any other face is usually tired by the end of the second match and don't really do much in the last one, maybe a few desperation moves but they all ultimately lose. tHe incredible HHulk didn't have this problem though. somehow in the third match against a fresh big show (regardless of how anyone feels about him he is usually booked to look dominant when he is actually being used) and actually looked not like he could pull one out his ass but like he actually WOULD win.
true but i wouldn't say the storylines have really changed that much. the biggest storylines on smackdown (the network show and IMO the one that should be the most PG if they have to go that road) involve unfaithful spouses and a guy that implies that he jumped his brother from behind and burned down his house
Azrael Cain
The alternative is unthinkable.
That is true, she could have. We'll never know, though... although it is remarkable how he has been "in the right place at the right time" almost all the time throughout his career.
They might come to mind because they are finishers, but truthfully, even finishers are nothing but yet another move with a fancy name. Pedigree = Double Under-hook Face Buster, really. The Stunner is nothing but a Jaw Breaker. Etc and so on. But it's how and when these moves are performed... we agree there. I think it's impossible to have an unlimited or un-repetitive move set. It is possible to change the order, and even still I think there is only so many combinations you'd come up with. Austin was repetitive in the ring. So was Rock. So is HBK. When he gets whipped and does that Turnbuckle Spot, admit it, you know it's coming, but you still mark and why? Because no one does it like HBK.
Plus, coming back to it, the WWE has a formula that "works" and that they like to have followed. No Main Eventer, no signed superstar, is going to risk losing a spot and the money by not following it.
He doesn't need to look invincible, I agree, and at the same time it's part of his character, as "The Game," "The King of Kings." His character is untouchable, unbeatable, undeterred... can it be played differently? Of course. Is he going to do it? I can only hope. And I would like to see him put over some of the younger stars more than he has (or at least differently), and I would like to think that when the time is right, he will. I think that he is not the asshole people paint him to be backstage, and he is not the one with the final word on everything -- Vince is, as many people have pointed out. And while family is family, business is business, and Vince McMahon is all about business, so I don't see him having a problem telling Paul to "job" to someone, and I don't see Paul having a problem doing it. Is the current situation telling us differently? Maybe. But history is not, history shows us that Vince is not afraid to do what is needed (Punishment for the Clique Incident), and if the wrestler is smart and doesn't take it personally, then that can only be seen as maturity and a good thing in Vince's eyes.
Just on that note, the state of wrestling backstage I think has changed tremendously since the 90s and the Attitude Era, and so it isn't as much wrestling oriented anymore as it is entertainment oriented (duh, right?) and so that plays a large role in who we see, how much of them we see and how they win their matches. The wrestling comes second to selling tickets and merchandise, and so "they can afford" to be repetitive in the ring and what-have-you. But the truth is you ca't please everyone. You take the good with the bad, enjoy this and hate that -- that's how it goes.
Yeah... about that... lol. Can't blame me for trying to use that argument though.
And at the same time, I don't know how much of a flagship show SmackDown really is these days, so maybe they can afford to be a little more risque there than on Raw...
They might come to mind because they are finishers, but truthfully, even finishers are nothing but yet another move with a fancy name. Pedigree = Double Under-hook Face Buster, really. The Stunner is nothing but a Jaw Breaker. Etc and so on. But it's how and when these moves are performed... we agree there. I think it's impossible to have an unlimited or un-repetitive move set. It is possible to change the order, and even still I think there is only so many combinations you'd come up with. Austin was repetitive in the ring. So was Rock. So is HBK. When he gets whipped and does that Turnbuckle Spot, admit it, you know it's coming, but you still mark and why? Because no one does it like HBK.
Plus, coming back to it, the WWE has a formula that "works" and that they like to have followed. No Main Eventer, no signed superstar, is going to risk losing a spot and the money by not following it.
He doesn't need to look invincible, I agree, and at the same time it's part of his character, as "The Game," "The King of Kings." His character is untouchable, unbeatable, undeterred... can it be played differently? Of course. Is he going to do it? I can only hope. And I would like to see him put over some of the younger stars more than he has (or at least differently), and I would like to think that when the time is right, he will. I think that he is not the asshole people paint him to be backstage, and he is not the one with the final word on everything -- Vince is, as many people have pointed out. And while family is family, business is business, and Vince McMahon is all about business, so I don't see him having a problem telling Paul to "job" to someone, and I don't see Paul having a problem doing it. Is the current situation telling us differently? Maybe. But history is not, history shows us that Vince is not afraid to do what is needed (Punishment for the Clique Incident), and if the wrestler is smart and doesn't take it personally, then that can only be seen as maturity and a good thing in Vince's eyes.
Just on that note, the state of wrestling backstage I think has changed tremendously since the 90s and the Attitude Era, and so it isn't as much wrestling oriented anymore as it is entertainment oriented (duh, right?) and so that plays a large role in who we see, how much of them we see and how they win their matches. The wrestling comes second to selling tickets and merchandise, and so "they can afford" to be repetitive in the ring and what-have-you. But the truth is you ca't please everyone. You take the good with the bad, enjoy this and hate that -- that's how it goes.
Yeah... about that... lol. Can't blame me for trying to use that argument though.
And at the same time, I don't know how much of a flagship show SmackDown really is these days, so maybe they can afford to be a little more risque there than on Raw...TwistofRKO
The Legend Killer himself
No, it was re-announced during the match after being announced on the previous episode of Raw.
This past NWO? Three months isn't hell for most people, but it must be for HHH.
I've been vocal about this in other threads, and NoFate hit the nail on the head about his refusal to put Orton over, so I'll keep it to the point..
HHH is very entertaining, he earns his living, I can never question that. He's more dedicated to the business than almost everybody, and has taken his share of punishment in the ring. The only thing is that it comes to the point where we can only be entertained by one guy holding the belt for 9 months out of the year for so long, and with my experience, four people I know's initial reaction to HHH victory was summarized as "I love Triple H, but again/still?". You can only be fun to watch dominate people doing the exact same thing cutting the same promo for so long. A gimmick that depends solely on the belt is a poor gimmick.
I do however strongly agree with the notion that HHH was highly successful before banging Steph. He was well on his way main eventing. It definitely hasn't hurt though.
And Vince is the primary blame for poor creative desicions, absolutely right.
Funny KB or BK or whatever you're known as now, your history of WrestleMania thread, which I loved mostly, said there was no reason for HHH to win at all. Make your mind up.
Personally I think HHH should step aside from the title picture he currently owns and allow other wrestlers the chance to shine, but then again apart from Cena and Jeff Hardy, there are no other faces you would trust with the title (most of you won't even let Jeff near the title. Oh, and Taker and HBK don't count. They don't need the titles either.) So the business needs HHH in the main event or there is no one to stop the heels. Though every once in a while he can lose a feud. HBK did it with Jericho and launched Jericho into the mega big time.
The Palace of Wisdom
Pre-Show Stalwart
HHH is a good performer. I don't think he is great, and I never really have. He has flashes of brilliances, and most of those game in the early 2000s. I don't think his talents warrent (eventually) being the most decorated World Champion of all-time. I think he gets a little bit of a bad rap for not putting people over. He does, he's just a little too picky about the when and where. He has put over Benoit, Cena, and Batista at Wrestlemanias, but I think that each of those times he has gotten it back. He absolutely buried Booker T at 19 with his criminally slow cover. He walked out a heel champion at 2000. He is the only person to win the two Undisputed world title belts at a Wrestlemania. He has been involved in so many Wrestlemania title matches, it's boring each year because you can easily pencil him into that slot MONTHS in advance.
I think his ring work is bland and boring. It's too predictable, and I know why. He doesn't want to hurt himself again, and I can understand that.
I just think that this next year is going to be very important for Trips. I think a lot of fans are going to turn on him if he dominates this year, and runs roughshod over Orton and the other heels on Raw, holding the title for the bulk of the year. He is a little too involved in cementing his legacy before the fact. He is a secure Hall of Famer, a legtimate legend in the business. His legacy is already secure. Adding on to it in such volume is verbose and laughable.
I think his ring work is bland and boring. It's too predictable, and I know why. He doesn't want to hurt himself again, and I can understand that.
I just think that this next year is going to be very important for Trips. I think a lot of fans are going to turn on him if he dominates this year, and runs roughshod over Orton and the other heels on Raw, holding the title for the bulk of the year. He is a little too involved in cementing his legacy before the fact. He is a secure Hall of Famer, a legtimate legend in the business. His legacy is already secure. Adding on to it in such volume is verbose and laughable.
hArdyPUNKmArk
I'm better than you!
HHH is the type of guy i don't really hate but i dont really like either. He can perform well and put on a good match. He has passion for the business and can cut a decent promo. On the other hand though he is obsessed with being the top dog and looking strong. He doesnt give many opportunities for the younger guys and is usually unwilling to loose cleanly to someone lower than him.
I voted neutral as i couldnt say if i liked or hated him...
I voted neutral as i couldnt say if i liked or hated him...
No it's cause Rhodes "is" a joke.
Dibiase has talent but doesn't do anything
Orton is the only one who actually does anything noteworthy and he gets his dues accordingly
Legacy lost cause they were going up against the founders of the company and in the end they won anyway and took the top prize off the guy who apparently never lets anyone get over him, yeah that's hurting them heaps. It's a story idiot.
Orton woulda had a long run with the title had he not got injured after the previous yrs WrestleMania. But lets look at him . hmmm
he gets busted for being an ass, he gets punished for harassing women backstage, he gets in to trouble repeatedly in public, every time he gets a push he gets injured. But oh no the only reason he's been held back is cause Triple H refuses to lose to him. get a grip.
Anyway Trips is taking a break so all you cry babies can sleep well for a few months, and watch Orton bore the life out of everyone
Lol... how hypocritical. You call people who don't like Triple H "cry babies", but at the same time... you're fucking whining yourself about people who don't like Triple H, and about Orton now being champ. Typical HHH fan.
But yes... thank God he's gone. Too bad it's not permanent. I wouldn't mind HHH if he had a role similar to Shawn Michaels, but until that day comes... fuck 'em. Whenever he's hurt or just taking time off, it's better for business, and just for all around general viewing pleasure. Both Raw and Smackdown this week were pretty good and I think that had a LOT to do with Triple H's absence.
This weeks TV did seem fresher without HHH. He just has a way of making me not like wrestling when he is on top. And I was a HUGE fan of him when he and Chyna left DX and he became the game. I stopped being a fan when he lost to Batista at WM21. I just couldn't believe that the WWE gave Batista the strap then. I became merely a casual fan for about a year and a half after that and by then the HHH I knew was gone and now we have a shitty worker who gives shittier promos. He needs to stay gone untill summerslam and he should put Cena over in his return match
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
I really dig the idea of them keeping Triple H off of TV for a long amount of time. He always seems to be at the height of his popularity when he is fresh off a layoff, and seeking revenge. I hope they dont hype it up or anything, just during some chaotic moment, "Time to play the game" hits, and he comes walking out. Allow Orton to dominate the roster, say there is nothing left, and out comes Triple H. and im saying, wait til SummerSlam, if not later. I love the idea of keeping him off tv for a LONG time, and allowing him to become a little fresher with the fan base.
EGfan4life
Occasional Pre-Show
Triple H used to be really good and entertaining, but I guess the PG rating is affecting everybody. Trips used to look good kicking ass, now he's kinda boring.
LIFT THE PG-RATING!
LIFT THE PG-RATING!
I cant say I hate HHH or that hes my personal favourite, I can just say that I'm over him being the top guy, he does deserve it as hes a great in ring performer wrestling wise and entertainment wise. But in my opinion I think The Game should start putting over the future talent, he does do it on occasion but I think in order for the next generation to get over he needs to lose a few feuds here and there that will solidify some talent as the next line of main eventers.
nthomas504
Pre-Show Stalwart
I really dont like the fact that people think that because of Backstage influences, Triple H is a title hog. I mean think about it, if Triple H was the one making plans, he would have never put Cena over at WM 22. Just because Orton didnt win doesnt mean that Triple H had anything to do with it. They didnt pull the trigger with a McMahon betrayal because they wanted Wrestlemania to end on a good note. I really dont think that in a thousand years that they would let a heel win the Main-Event twice in one year. Would the match have been better if Orton had won, hell yeah. But Trips is a fan favorite, and as I recall, only one heel has ever won the main-event at Wrestlemania besides Randy. The point was that through all the crap that Triple H dealt with, he still came out on top on the Grandest Stage of Them All. Crappy, maybe, but certainly not Trips fault. Trips certainly didnt complain with all the other losses he's sustained at Mania over the years (he's put over Batista, Cena, and Orton).
Trips is certainly not my favorite wrestler (Sting, Taker, and Michaels got that covered). But he is questionably one of the hardest workers in the business. Sure, he's had the titles a lot, but Edge is more of a title hog than Trips is.
Even though Triple H Vs. Randy Orton sucked badly due in part because of both of them.
One thing I do hate about Trips however is that the WWE pushes him as if he's the greatest ever and continue to work him the full schdule, which in my opinion is not needed, or wanted. He should work a similar schedule to Shawn and Taker, and should just put over Talent. Not that he doesnt, but need to have that his top priority.
Trips is certainly not my favorite wrestler (Sting, Taker, and Michaels got that covered). But he is questionably one of the hardest workers in the business. Sure, he's had the titles a lot, but Edge is more of a title hog than Trips is.
Even though Triple H Vs. Randy Orton sucked badly due in part because of both of them.
One thing I do hate about Trips however is that the WWE pushes him as if he's the greatest ever and continue to work him the full schdule, which in my opinion is not needed, or wanted. He should work a similar schedule to Shawn and Taker, and should just put over Talent. Not that he doesnt, but need to have that his top priority.
The only thing that I don't like about Triple H is that he's ovrhyped in terms of in-ring ability. He's a solid worker, but he's nowhere near the best in the company like some people pretend he is. I eally don't give a shit about his so-called 'backstage influence'.
Brent.Elsley
Dark Match Jobber
Has anyone else noticed how every year right around Wrestlemania time he just happens to slide into the main event picture? Wrestlemania 21 he was champ against Batista, Wrestlemania 22 he was against John Cena, Wrestlemania 23 he only missed a main event slot due to injury... otherwise he most certainly would have main evented. Wrestlemania 24 he got himself into a triple threat with Cena & Orton when it was just great with just a one on one match with Cena & Orton. And finally, of course at the corner stone show Wrestlemania 25 he gets the last match and win against Orton.
Triple H fans need to wake up and smell the bullshit. Fans that aren't blind by his ways are tired of seeing him every year in the title picture. Get some new refreshing matches that aren't the same guys every year for christ sakes. People say he steps aside to give others a chance(like right now with Orton running the show for instance) yet you don't realize that he's only doing it to enjoy time off. Then will return to dominate and destroy Orton and win his 14th title. He has this goal of being the guy to hold the most championships ever. First off, even if he surpasses Ric Flair's record(which he clearly will since it's what he wants) he will never be the best in the business at any point. I will mention a few names here and then make a point... Stone Cold Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels. These guys don't need to hold a world title to be legends. Case and point. Triple H will never be bigger or better than any of these guys. You are liked by tons of fans... sure... because WWE does a great job of marketing you and pushing you in all the fans faces giving them no choice but to see you win title after title after title. It's boring and just because you are good on a mic and married the bosses daughter, doesn't mean you are or ever will be a legend. You aren't even a great wrestler. I hope for future fans sakes that you retire soon and step away from the business completely. Try being a father and go sit at home with Stephanie and your kids. Good riddance.
Triple H fans need to wake up and smell the bullshit. Fans that aren't blind by his ways are tired of seeing him every year in the title picture. Get some new refreshing matches that aren't the same guys every year for christ sakes. People say he steps aside to give others a chance(like right now with Orton running the show for instance) yet you don't realize that he's only doing it to enjoy time off. Then will return to dominate and destroy Orton and win his 14th title. He has this goal of being the guy to hold the most championships ever. First off, even if he surpasses Ric Flair's record(which he clearly will since it's what he wants) he will never be the best in the business at any point. I will mention a few names here and then make a point... Stone Cold Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels. These guys don't need to hold a world title to be legends. Case and point. Triple H will never be bigger or better than any of these guys. You are liked by tons of fans... sure... because WWE does a great job of marketing you and pushing you in all the fans faces giving them no choice but to see you win title after title after title. It's boring and just because you are good on a mic and married the bosses daughter, doesn't mean you are or ever will be a legend. You aren't even a great wrestler. I hope for future fans sakes that you retire soon and step away from the business completely. Try being a father and go sit at home with Stephanie and your kids. Good riddance.
HBK-aholic
Shawn Michaels ❤
Please, try and find someone else who would have fit into those places. Please, tell me who else would have drawn the crowds Triple H did and put on the matches he did? The answer is no one. Triple H, while hated on message boards, is a fan favourite. You can tell that just by seeing the reactions of the live crowds when they hear his music.
Pretty sure it's fans who think it's cool to hate Triple H are tired of this.
So you've just proven to me you're going to hate Triple H no matter what, because you're a blind Triple H hater. If he's the one with the belt, you'd complain about him, just as you are when someone else is given a shot. When will you be happy?
He's certainly talented enough.
This is true. Number of title belts do not mean you're a better wrestler - is Flair the best the business has ever had? Of course not.
Just as they do with EVERY wrestler you enjoy. Who's your favourite wrestler? Just bare in mind he's only your favourite because WWE have done a great job at marketing him.
Triple H draws. He's a favourite with most of the fans. That's why he's winning the title so often - because there's no one else to take over from him who is as talented.
Which is a pretty damn good thing in the entertainment business.
If you had credibility, you just lost it.
tehblogger
The Young God, walking abroad
Does HHH really draw all that well? Certainly the slide in ratings for the WWE nicely coincides with the decade of Triple H, as I'm sure it will eventually be known. I remember taking a look at some viewing figures once and thinking "hm, Cena sure draws better". And is the live crowd reaction really that good? The reaction to Triple H retaining at Mania? Deafening silence. Yeah, he gets a nice pop. If you're pushed as both the coolest face and heel around you probably will. But Taker gets a better one. So does Edge. And Jeff Hardy. And quite possibly Cena as well. Without half as good booking.
HBK-aholic
Shawn Michaels ❤
First of all, do me a favour and learn how to use the quote button. It makes this SO much easier.
Triple H is still a good wrestler, he's still someone most fans enjoy. Why should he 'put someone over' when McMahon wants HIM on top?
And are any of them as good as Triple H? Your answer is no. I'm a HUGE Jericho fan, but his title reigns have hardly been amazing.
Are you seriously trying to tell me people cheer because they like the SONG?
This is the point of professional wrestling. Why don't you understand that? Why do you think it makes you such a smart fan to do the opposite of everyone else?
You can like whichever wrestlers you like. I'm a huge Jericho fan, but I still boo when he's a heel. What do you think he wants, for us to boo when he's a face and cheer when he's a heel? That'd just show he was doing a bad job. The whole point of wrestling is to go along with it and enjoy yourself. If you won't do that what's the point?
Feel free to show me proof. Do you REALLY think if Triple H was such a bad draw McMahon would give him the belt so often?
Seriously, this is the worst argument anyone can out forward in regards to Triple H. He was winning titles and having good matches before he ever became involved with Stephanie. Now, if he was so bad for business McMahon wouldn't risk the whole thing on him.
Ah, doesn't that sound great.
Edge is clearly also in the title scene.
Christian has proved nothing. And where has he been these last few years?
Again, these last few years he's hardly been ready to be champion.
His title reigns haven't been great.
Punks time in ROH was some of his worst. His WHC title run wasn't great. One day, yes. But not now.
Shawn doesn't want the title.
Neither of which are anywhere near as good as Triple H.
You've just got to be joking.
Triple H is still a good wrestler, he's still someone most fans enjoy. Why should he 'put someone over' when McMahon wants HIM on top?
And are any of them as good as Triple H? Your answer is no. I'm a HUGE Jericho fan, but his title reigns have hardly been amazing.
Are you seriously trying to tell me people cheer because they like the SONG?
This is the point of professional wrestling. Why don't you understand that? Why do you think it makes you such a smart fan to do the opposite of everyone else?
You can like whichever wrestlers you like. I'm a huge Jericho fan, but I still boo when he's a heel. What do you think he wants, for us to boo when he's a face and cheer when he's a heel? That'd just show he was doing a bad job. The whole point of wrestling is to go along with it and enjoy yourself. If you won't do that what's the point?
Feel free to show me proof. Do you REALLY think if Triple H was such a bad draw McMahon would give him the belt so often?
Seriously, this is the worst argument anyone can out forward in regards to Triple H. He was winning titles and having good matches before he ever became involved with Stephanie. Now, if he was so bad for business McMahon wouldn't risk the whole thing on him.
Ah, doesn't that sound great.
Edge is clearly also in the title scene.
Christian has proved nothing. And where has he been these last few years?
Again, these last few years he's hardly been ready to be champion.
His title reigns haven't been great.
Punks time in ROH was some of his worst. His WHC title run wasn't great. One day, yes. But not now.
Shawn doesn't want the title.
Neither of which are anywhere near as good as Triple H.
You've just got to be joking.
HBK I just spent around a half hour replying to your post and bc i took so long it signed me out I couldnt post and when i refreshed lost everything i typed so im going to try and summerize quickly.
RVD much better than HHH hands down and more over at the time as i stated and without question deserved a shot. Dont judge RVDs ability based on what Vince showed you of him go watch his REAL ECW stuff he was F'in amazing and prob. could still be if he wanted to comeback.
Edge in the main event and title scene but should have been sooner in fact HHH was taking part in an interview I heard a few years back where he actually said and I quote "Edge and Christian couldnt draw flies standing in shit" if this interview is still floating around I dont know I suggest you check youtube.
Punk as a heel would be great and his ROH time I rather enjoyed, also his bad title run wasnt his fault it was the way he was booked by Vince and the writters. Hell he was champ and wasnt even in Raw or PPV main events cause Vince didnt have faith in him.
Christian was a main event player in TNA and had some of their best Merch sales in the last yr so yes he can draw he is also everything a maineventer should be talented in the ring on the mic and is super over which you can tell by listening to his reaction at WM.
And before you decided to trash TNA if their so bad why is it that theyve been beating SD and Vinces bootleg ECW in the ratings over the last couple of months?
I understand HBK doesnt want the title but my point is even at his age and with injuries he is better in ring than HHH at this point and time.
Scoff at Shelton all you want all he needs is a better gimmick and a solid push, heres a list of all the ppl off the top of my head I can think of that were thought of as permenant midcarders at the begining of their careers look at the names and where they are now.
HBK thought of as only a tag guy now Hall of Famer
Bret Hart thought of as only a tag guy now Hall of Famer
Jericho thought of as midcarder 1st Undisputed Champ and willingly was put over by both Rock and Austin as it has been noted they came up with the idea and pitched it to Vince as a way to give Jericho who they thought was deserving a major rub. Something HHH would never do or agree to by the way.
HHH as Tera Rysin in WCW and the Blue Blood here noone thought he would be anything and now look at him.
Kevin Nash as the great OZ or Vinnie Vegas went from that to holding down WWF PPVS.
Finally theres a guy I dont know if you know him, he was fired over the phone and told he wasnt marketable wouldnt draw and would never be main event by a guy named Eric Bischoff. I think his name was Steve or something like that not sure last name ummmmm Austin. Oh yea its all coming back now that guy with the right gimmick and push went on to become the MOST POPULAR and MOST SELLING wrestler in the history of wrestling passing even the IMMORTAL HULK HOGAN and was 1 of the if not THE biggest parts of the Attitude Era which was the height of the ratings boom on Raw and which all may I add came about after Vince saw how popular the REAL ECW was becoming but thats for another time.
Moral of this story is you never know where the next big star or main eventer or champion or next great gimmick is coming from period.
As for the ratings search some wrestling sites online they have ratings breakdowns avaible by the quarter hour of the shows I believe.
RVD much better than HHH hands down and more over at the time as i stated and without question deserved a shot. Dont judge RVDs ability based on what Vince showed you of him go watch his REAL ECW stuff he was F'in amazing and prob. could still be if he wanted to comeback.
Edge in the main event and title scene but should have been sooner in fact HHH was taking part in an interview I heard a few years back where he actually said and I quote "Edge and Christian couldnt draw flies standing in shit" if this interview is still floating around I dont know I suggest you check youtube.
Punk as a heel would be great and his ROH time I rather enjoyed, also his bad title run wasnt his fault it was the way he was booked by Vince and the writters. Hell he was champ and wasnt even in Raw or PPV main events cause Vince didnt have faith in him.
Christian was a main event player in TNA and had some of their best Merch sales in the last yr so yes he can draw he is also everything a maineventer should be talented in the ring on the mic and is super over which you can tell by listening to his reaction at WM.
And before you decided to trash TNA if their so bad why is it that theyve been beating SD and Vinces bootleg ECW in the ratings over the last couple of months?
I understand HBK doesnt want the title but my point is even at his age and with injuries he is better in ring than HHH at this point and time.
Scoff at Shelton all you want all he needs is a better gimmick and a solid push, heres a list of all the ppl off the top of my head I can think of that were thought of as permenant midcarders at the begining of their careers look at the names and where they are now.
HBK thought of as only a tag guy now Hall of Famer
Bret Hart thought of as only a tag guy now Hall of Famer
Jericho thought of as midcarder 1st Undisputed Champ and willingly was put over by both Rock and Austin as it has been noted they came up with the idea and pitched it to Vince as a way to give Jericho who they thought was deserving a major rub. Something HHH would never do or agree to by the way.
HHH as Tera Rysin in WCW and the Blue Blood here noone thought he would be anything and now look at him.
Kevin Nash as the great OZ or Vinnie Vegas went from that to holding down WWF PPVS.
Finally theres a guy I dont know if you know him, he was fired over the phone and told he wasnt marketable wouldnt draw and would never be main event by a guy named Eric Bischoff. I think his name was Steve or something like that not sure last name ummmmm Austin. Oh yea its all coming back now that guy with the right gimmick and push went on to become the MOST POPULAR and MOST SELLING wrestler in the history of wrestling passing even the IMMORTAL HULK HOGAN and was 1 of the if not THE biggest parts of the Attitude Era which was the height of the ratings boom on Raw and which all may I add came about after Vince saw how popular the REAL ECW was becoming but thats for another time.
Moral of this story is you never know where the next big star or main eventer or champion or next great gimmick is coming from period.
As for the ratings search some wrestling sites online they have ratings breakdowns avaible by the quarter hour of the shows I believe.
HBK-aholic
Shawn Michaels ❤
Yay, you called me HBK.
But we are talking about WWE here. Maybe you'd have a point about RVD's 'Real ECW' work, if we were talking about ECW. I'm not denying RVD's greatness, I'm a fan of his. But in WWE at least, Triple H takes it.
I'll take your word for it. Can you blame him thinking that of a tag team? People said the same about HBK, and he's now hailed as one of the best. Edge is a great wrestler now, but even as champion, his title reigns are hardly long, maybe there's a reason for that?
It was the way he was booked, but because he wasn't ready for it. He still isn't. Cm Punk is the future of WWE, but not the present. Triple H wins here, too.
Did I say anything negative about TNA? I didn't think so. I watched the product for months. Christian was a main eventer in TNA, what does that mean to WWE and McMahon? Triple H takes this one too.
Look at my username, I completely agree. However, we're talking about people who could have the title, meaning Shawn's in ring work is a void point, as he doesn't want it. Triple H wins this one too.
I'm a big fan of Benjamin, he had a great match with Shawn a few years ago. But he is no where near Main Event material. And it'll take a hell of a lot to put him there.
And? I fail to see what this has to do with anything, specifically Triple H. The next big thing could come out of no where. But he hasn't yet. And until there's a logical choice to replace Triple H, he's staying where he is. Nothing to do with his relationship with Stephanie.
PS
I apologize for not knowing how to use the "quote" on here im new to the site and dont usually post on forums to begin with.
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Yes HHH was a great wrestler key word WAS its PAST tense IMHO as a lifelong wrestling fan and even in the eyes of friends who have also been lifelong fans he is no longer that calibur wrestler and no longer deserves to be the focus of storylines unless hes willing to put guys over give rubs and pass the torch as ive stated before. Im 26 my friends are all in the same age catagory and even my father (RIP) was a big wrestling fan as is 1 of my friends fathers and even they believed the same thing that its past his time.
I personally think HHH was better when he wasnt the focus of the show and also believe the ratings were better at that time as opposed to his time as main focus of the show and maineventer.
I apologize for not knowing how to use the "quote" on here im new to the site and dont usually post on forums to begin with.
PSS
Yes HHH was a great wrestler key word WAS its PAST tense IMHO as a lifelong wrestling fan and even in the eyes of friends who have also been lifelong fans he is no longer that calibur wrestler and no longer deserves to be the focus of storylines unless hes willing to put guys over give rubs and pass the torch as ive stated before. Im 26 my friends are all in the same age catagory and even my father (RIP) was a big wrestling fan as is 1 of my friends fathers and even they believed the same thing that its past his time.
I personally think HHH was better when he wasnt the focus of the show and also believe the ratings were better at that time as opposed to his time as main focus of the show and maineventer.
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