The Triple H Thread

[ricflair1983]

For everybody who says Triple H uses backstage politics for everything he has EARNED I say this: Why hasen't he won at WrestleMania since defeating Booker T at WrestleMania 19? If God forbid his marriage ever ended the Stephanie, I believe he would still be in the main event spot. If anything, he puts more wrestlers over than he beats. Kind of like another legend I know, Nature Boy Ric Flair, who by the way he idolized. I believe he will take his spot and be the one who carries the sport of professional wrestling. He makes whoever he is in the ring with look like a million bucks and has payed his dues. Weather heel or face, The King of Kings will be in this business for a long, long time

 

[god of thunder]

The discussion about Triple H and his influence in the WWE will always be an ongoing thing. He will always have to address it even after he retires. Whether or not Triple H is an arrogant S.O.B. is something I guess only those who actually know him can answer. All I know about him is what I've seen over the years in his performances. And what I've seen is a guy who gives 100%, and seems to be very concious of the fans, and of giving them a good show. Like a few years ago on RAW, after tapping out to Chris Benoit in a World Championship tournament match. The following week the fans were relentless, with chants of "you tapped out" thundering in the arena as he waited to speak on the mic. Triple H of course, seeing that the fans were really into it, played it up, with enormous frustration and anger. In the front row was a boy who looked about 10 years old, chanting "you tapped out" as loudly as he could. Triple H left the ring and stood directly in front of the boy and let the kid chant right in his face. That boy will probably never forget that night, when he stood face to face with the King of Kings and told him "you tapped out"! Triple H was aware of the moment, and he gave the kid something special. And watching him wrestle, it's obvious he wants to be the best. Is he the best? That's debatable, but he certainly brings intensity. And while I'm not a big Triple H fan, I would have to pick him as one of the best ever because of his work ethic, his ring skills, and his ring persona. I think everyone would have to agree, he has presence. Does his situation with Stephanie give him an advantage? Of course. And let's not forget, wrestling is not exactly the most intelectual of professions. It's a tough, violent line of work, and very few succeed at it. And when you consider that Vince likes to keep established stars around until cobwebs grow on them, it's only natural that his son in law will have one long run at the top.

 

[travis_touchdown]

I admit that I previously found Triple H to be a jerk due to a few reports that illustrated a man of an antagonistic nature.

However I made the decision to actually consider facts instead of letting a report formulate my opinion. And because of that decision I came across what has been stated by Ichigo and ABS. Although he has been in the spotlight for quite some time the strength of his “me mentality” does not appear to be extremely high.

Does he have a tendency to remain in the spotlight? Yes, but his dominance does have the ability to help others.

Side note: At times it appears that it may be best to step aside and let other wrestlers develop in order for the business to progress nicely.

 

[jpfizzle]

I am not a triple H fan, not because of his backstage politicking, I mean like people have said he hasn't won at mania since Wrestlemania 19.. IMO though we haven't seen anything new from him in a while now, it's the same old one liners, the same old entrance and the same old "I AM THE KING OF KINGS/ GAME"

With so many potential top guys coming up I think we will see Triple H finnaly drop to the upper mid-card for a while now, if this happens I'll be happy to see him win the rumble and go to the mania main event again next year, just have some time in the upper mid card for a while. use his name to gain credibility for the tag titles like the rock and sock connection or the Intercontinental championship.

It's time for the youth to climb up now. Orton should be the focus point of Raw as he is champion, Triple H and Orton has been done to death and so trips should stand aside whilst orton has his few months to shine!

 

[god of thunder]

With so many potential top guys coming up I think we will see Triple H finnaly drop to the upper mid-card for a while now, if this happens I'll be happy to see him win the rumble and go to the mania main event again next year, just have some time in the upper mid card for a while. use his name to gain credibility for the tag titles like the rock and sock connection or the Intercontinental championship.

I have to disagree with this idea that HHH will step down to any mid card level for awhile to allow new talent to rise. Not that I would care one way or the other if he did, but I don't think it's going to happen. First, because of what we've seen so far. Besides winning the Royal Rumble this year, look at how he lost at 'Mania. He had Cena pinned for the win, and Orton basically took it away. With this scenario, WWE writers are sending a subtle message that Triple H is the "uncrowned" champion. Second, Triple H already stepped away from the championship picture for awhile with the DX reunion with Shawn Michaels this past year, allowing other names to take the spotlight with Cena. And finally, after his last quad injury, I believe that Vince and the gang want HHH to return to the top as champion, if for nothing else but to support him as family for the long road back from an injury that could've ended his career. So don't be surprised if you see HHH win the title at Backlash or Unforgiven in the months ahead. Having him win it at 'Mania would've been to predictable, everyone would've said "of course". The story of Triple H's return to the top is being written so as to show that it's a long, hard fight back through multiple PVVs so that no one can say it was handed to him.

 

[jpfizzle]

I have to disagree with this idea that HHH will step down to any mid card level for awhile to allow new talent to rise. Not that I would care one way or the other if he did, but I don't think it's going to happen. First, because of what we've seen so far. Besides winning the Royal Rumble this year, look at how he lost at 'Mania. He had Cena pinned for the win, and Orton basically took it away. With this scenario, WWE writers are sending a subtle message that Triple H is the "uncrowned" champion. Second, Triple H already stepped away from the championship picture for awhile with the DX reunion with Shawn Michaels this past year, allowing other names to take the spotlight with Cena. And finally, after his last quad injury, I believe that Vince and the gang want HHH to return to the top as champion, if for nothing else but to support him as family for the long road back from an injury that could've ended his career. So don't be surprised if you see HHH win the title at Backlash or Unforgiven in the months ahead. Having him win it at 'Mania would've been to predictable, everyone would've said "of course". The story of Triple H's return to the top is being written so as to show that it's a long, hard fight back through multiple PVVs so that no one can say it was handed to him.

Yeah there are some good points in there, the one I highlighted I hadent even though off, rep for being so observant.

It's unnecisairy though for more Orton v Triple H, they need to wait until after backlash or Unforgiven before they even try and have that feud again, the only way I could see it happening whilst keeping as many ppl as possible happy is to have someone else beat Orton for a month long reign then have Triple H take it from them.

Orton should be feuding with Kennedy, JBL (as he seems to be about too) and maybe even the Big Show before he faces either Triple H or Cena again. This could work better for Triple H and Cena for that matter than going back to the title at the next two PPVs. they could have a storyline written, maybe even a heel turn for one of them and then when they come back into the main event they will have fresh names to feud with in the main event.

 

[god of thunder]

Yeah there are some good points in there, the one I highlighted I hadent even though off, rep for being so observant.

It's unnecisairy though for more Orton v Triple H, they need to wait until after backlash or Unforgiven before they even try and have that feud again, the only way I could see it happening whilst keeping as many ppl as possible happy is to have someone else beat Orton for a month long reign then have Triple H take it from them.

Orton should be feuding with Kennedy, JBL (as he seems to be about too) and maybe even the Big Show before he faces either Triple H or Cena again. This could work better for Triple H and Cena for that matter than going back to the title at the next two PPVs. they could have a storyline written, maybe even a heel turn for one of them and then when they come back into the main event they will have fresh names to feud with in the main event.

You make a very good point in that it looks as though JBL is next up with Orton. Maybe we'll see another three way with Orton, HHH and JBL. Whatever the scenario, I suspect Triple H may be involved somehow. Maybe JBL will be the guy to take it from Orton and then lose it to Triple HHH over the next few PPVs. A Triple H/JBL feud could be pretty interesting. At least we haven't seen it before.

 

[stephhh]

This was a rant in which you had no evidence to back up your theories.

You have no evidence that he did steroids, and you certainly have no evidence that he wouldn't be where he's at today had he not married Stephanie. You have no evidence that he kisses Vince's behind.

I agree with you and its a shame that people keep on saying all those even how many time HHH loses the match or gives chance to new talents for the sake of business. He is the unsung hero of wwe

 

[Romanista10]

Just found this...its an interview with IGN on December 20, 2004 where Triple H discussed how Evolution was conceived:

“It was my initial concept and I ran it by Vince and I ran it by Flair. My initial concept was pretty much what we said on TV. I looked around and we had Ric Flair as a baby face just sitting there and not doing a whole lot, then you had myself, and I felt like Ric could be utilized better as a mentor to a younger guy who was up and coming. I felt like somebody could get the rub off of him, then the more I started thinking about it, I thought if we put together a group where we took a couple of guys and they could get a rub off of both Ric and I, and Ric could be accompanying them to the ring and become part-wrestler, part-mentor, part-manager, that this could really get big. So I ran it by Ric and he liked the idea. And when I was talking to Vince about it, he asked me what other wrestlers I wanted to do Evolution with, and I honestly didn't know. So Ric and I spent a lot of time just watching guys. Ric and I would actually watch every match, scouting each wrestler to see who could pull this off. To me, this was an important deal because I had to pick two guys who I thought could be big stars on their own one day, otherwise we're just wasting our time.
This isn't a knock against anybody, but there are a lot of groups, and when the group folds, the guys in that group fold because they were propped up by that group. That's not what we wanted. I wanted two guys who could be stars standing on their own, we just needed to get them to that point of standing on their own, and that's what we've done. If you look at Randy Orton, it was time for him to get kicked out of the nest and try to fly on his own, so we kicked him out and he's out there flying. He's in a place where he's either going to become a huge star or he's going to hit the ground, but we got him to that point, and he got himself to that point too. Same thing with Batista. We're going to turn Batista into a big star here, and he's working his ass off at it. And when the time is right, we'll kick him out of the nest and see how he flies. That was part of the whole thrill of doing Evolution. We took two guys who, if they would've kept doing the same things they were doing, they would've just been a couple of other guys, and it would've been hard for them to progress from that level. We literally took them out with us everywhere we went, talked business to them non-stop, and they watched matches with us, they wrestled with us, and listened to our advice. I'm not trying to take credit for where they are, they are the ones who had to put in the work, but we gave them the platform to do it from. They deserve the credit, though, because they are the ones who did it."

He isn't perfect but Triple H does a hell of alot to better WWE. He had a major hand in pushing Benoit (was always a great wrestler, but never a star til he beat Triple H to become champion), Orton, Batista, Cena (unfortunately), and Hardy.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

A couple of questions for you Triple H fans out there:

#1 Why was the match at Backlash an Elimination match?

This is the reason I think. Because in a normal fatal 4-way the first pin wins the match. But in this one, as everybody knows, it was an elimination match. Why is that? It's the same reason the main event or WrestleMania 2000 was an elimination match. If somebody gets pinned in a normal verion of it, it can be a fluke. A certain wrestler doesn't have to be involved in the fall. So using the competitors from Sunday as an example. Orton could have won by pinning JBL. But Cena or HHH might not have been involved in the fall. That way they don't look like they lost the match. But in this Sundays version every wrestler bar the victor is pinned. So it doesn't look like a fluke. It looks like the winner is that much better.

#2 Why are his knees so heavily taped?

Here's what I think. Most wrestlers have bad knees. Yet I can only think of HHH off the top of my head who has that many bandages around him. Why is that? Why doesn't he just have those mini calipers that a lot of wrestlers have? He has those as well. But he's got his legs strapped up almost to the top of his thigs. Is it because it makes him look like he's constantly battling through injury? Which in turn makes him look like a real trooper.

#3 Why when he's a heel does he bleed so much?

I might be wrong. But bleeding is for faces. It is to elicit sympathy. Yet as a dastardly heel HHH alway bleeds. Not a little gash either. It's almost like a fountain. Why is that? Is that because he wants to be a cool heel? Or because it makes his so that if he get's pinned he only got defeated because he's lost so much blood and physically just can't continue.

I'm genuinely confused about all of these. If somebody could answer I'd be pretty happy. Thanks.

 

[JaJaBings]

Wow sir, u're quite full of angst and hatred for Triple H.

I have mixed feelings about this guy. On one hand, he makes me mad at times when he's obviously holding down or burying someone of great potential, and those Internet reports, whether fake or real, have fueled this hatred in me as well. One thing's for sure that's 100% real is that he forced great stars like Angle and Christian to leave WWE and they aren't shy in bashing Triple H in their interviews.

On the other hand, when I read reports such as the one few posts up about the conceptualization of Evolution, it makes me grateful that WWE has veterans like Triple H around to scout for new talents. Without Evolution, Batista and Orton wouldn't be where they are now. And we'd probably be seeing HHH vs Cena for the 100th time, and possibly force HBK out of his 'no championship run' preference to add flavor to the title feuds. As for Smackdown, when Undertaker vs Edge is done to the death, they'll set the Great Khali for multiple title reigns. Oh gawd awful just to think about it.

It all boils down to who Triple H admires and who he dislikes. Regal & Orton are 2 prime examples of who he's willing to elevate currently, while Jericho who is rumored to be disliked by Triple H gets stuck in meaningless feuds. I just hope that whatever decision he makes backstage, it's for the good of the company. Groom more Randy Ortons in time to come and down the line when he's old and retired, we'll probably look back at his legacy and forgive him for all the wrong he's done when he receives his Hall of Fame award. I just hope for his newest title reign, he'll find someone with potential whom he wishes to groom to be an ME player and drop it to him within the next 6 mths. I can't stand title reigns more than that.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

A couple of questions for you Triple H fans out there:

#1 Why was the match at Backlash an Elimination match?

This is the reason I think. Because in a normal fatal 4-way the first pin wins the match. But in this one, as everybody knows, it was an elimination match. Why is that? It's the same reason the main event or WrestleMania 2000 was an elimination match. If somebody gets pinned in a normal verion of it, it can be a fluke. A certain wrestler doesn't have to be involved in the fall. So using the competitors from Sunday as an example. Orton could have won by pinning JBL. But Cena or HHH might not have been involved in the fall. That way they don't look like they lost the match. But in this Sundays version every wrestler bar the victor is pinned. So it doesn't look like a fluke. It looks like the winner is that much better.

#2 Why are his knees so heavily taped?

Here's what I think. Most wrestlers have bad knees. Yet I can only think of HHH off the top of my head who has that many bandages around him. Why is that? Why doesn't he just have those mini calipers that a lot of wrestlers have? He has those as well. But he's got his legs strapped up almost to the top of his thigs. Is it because it makes him look like he's constantly battling through injury? Which in turn makes him look like a real trooper.

#3 Why when he's a heel does he bleed so much?

I might be wrong. But bleeding is for faces. It is to elicit sympathy. Yet as a dastardly heel HHH alway bleeds. Not a little gash either. It's almost like a fountain. Why is that? Is that because he wants to be a cool heel? Or because it makes his so that if he get's pinned he only got defeated because he's lost so much blood and physically just can't continue.

I'm genuinely confused about all of these. If somebody could answer I'd be pretty happy. Thanks.

#4 Why did he use the Crossface on Sunday?

That move belonged to Benoit, right? Then why is HHH using. I know HBK did to, but this isn't his thread. Why did HHH chose to use it? Is it because it get's him cheap heat? There is no need to use the move. He didn't use to do it. If you say he did then you've been playing Smackdown vs. Raw too much.

#5 Why aren't certain wrestler allowed to do certain moves and why do some wrestlers have boring moves in their repetoir?

Why is it that the cruiserweights aren't allowed to do the moves that everyone knows they can perform? I have this thoery. It relates to HHH, weirdly. Anyway I feel that the reason you don't see Paul London doing a Shooting Star Pressis because of Triple. Why? Because it makes him look bad. Whenever you see one you think wow. Yet it's not done anymore. Why is that? For the wrestler and opponents safety? I don't think so. I'd understand if Billy Kidman was still in the promotion, but he's not. Not once have I ever seen Paul London botch that move. He might have done, I just haven't seen it. Same with a lot of the other cruiserweights. Could they botch a move and injure somebody? Yes. But frequently, no. Accidents happen.

Is this because they don't want to lessen the impact by other superstars? Possibly. But really come on. A cruiserweight can do all the flipping he wants. Undertaker will still out pop all of them when he does something high risk.

And why do all of the Raw main eventers look inferior to HHH? Why does Randy Orton do headlocks for 5 minutes? Has he gassed? I don't think so. Is he killing time? Not in a 15 minute match he aint. Could it because Orton is a talented young man, and if he did whatever he wanted to do in that ring he would be super over? Me thinks so. Everytime Orton applies a healock their is a collective groan. So it's not over. it makes him lose momentum. Why is that.

And why is Cena's offence so pathetic? Wait forget about that one.

These are legit questions, and I would really appreciate a reply. Thank you.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Jake, you are no newbie, so I will spare you the condescending tone I've been using lately. But I DO have some answers and theories for you. I hope it gives everyone something to consider.

#1 Why was the match at Backlash an Elimination match?

Well, Wrestlemania was a "first fall wins." So, to do the same thing at Backlash only with one more guy is pretty cheap and also stale. I, for one, get sick of a lack of clean wins in wrestling to "protect" someone. I don't think less of a wrestler if they lose clean. The match at Backlash was elmination because it created interest and intregue. It allowed for moments like JBL rushing in to make a save while Orton or HHH was in the STFU, then realizing it was elimination and yelling at him to tap out. It was fresh, and it was damn entertaining. The bar I was watching the show at popped HUGE for that moment.

#2 Why are his knees so heavily taped?

HHH is no spring chicken, and both of his legs, thighs, and knees are damaged goods. It's probably smart for him to take the extra time and effort to tape them up to prevent ANOTHER year-long injury. Face it, the guy worked his ASS off both times to come back from those quad tears. At his age, and with one major surgery already on each leg, he can ill afford another major injury. The tape doesn't always make him look injured as much as it is a safety measure. Maybe the rest of the wrestlers are lazy or dumb for not taking similar measures to ensure they don't reinjure themselves.

#3 Why when he's a heel does he bleed so much?

Great question, love this one. I call it "The Rocky 4 Principle. Don't you remember the fight scene of Rocky vs Drago in Rocky 4, when Rocky battles out of the corner and cuts Drago above the eye? Al Bandiro called it perfectly, screaming "HE'S CUT! HE'S CUT! THE RUSSIAN'S CUT!" That turned the tables, because the underdog babyface suddenly had a chance. As a heel, HHH is usually the favorite to win, and he usually stacks the deck in his favor. When he bleeds, the fans feel the tide swing, and believe the babyface has a chance to go over and win. When it doesn't happen, it's frustrating, and makes the fans want to see HHH lose even MORE. It also build "heat collateral" for a future face run.

#4 Why did he use the Crossface on Sunday?

I agree with you here - cheap heat. But it worked. And let's face it, it's a good thing that they are using it and taking some of the taboo away from it. Same shit when the Rock and Benoit started using the Sharpshooter.

#5 Why aren't certain wrestler allowed to do certain moves and why do some wrestlers have boring moves in their repetoir?

It's hard to answer this without sounding like SlyFox, but here goes. First off, the Shooting Star Press. When the C-Weights started using it, it became a regular high spot in EVERY match. Kidman used it constantly, and them London. If you remember, WWE asks them not to use it constantly. High spots like that lose some luster when they get used constantly. So, may as well save them up for major PPV matches and the like to really make the crowd feel like they got value for their dollar. Plus, after Lesnar almost killed himself at Wrestlemania one year, I think it really is a safety concern, especially with the newer wrestlers.

And the "boring" moves, again, are based on each wrestler. Some wrestlers have more dynamic movesets. I defended Orton's "boring" moveset yesterday with my belief that he is like a new age Jake Roberts, stalking his opponent and trying to do the most damage possible without the need to look too "fancy." These are pro wrestlers, some of them brawlers - they're not all gymnasts. Hell, some Hulk Hogan matches are rest-hold festivals, but they still make sense and get heat.

 

[chrisgod]

I'll try this one...
Just let me warn you that this is more from a WWE point of view... at least what I think WWE see it...

#1 Why was the match at Backlash an Elimination match?

You can't have multiman matches for the same title over and over and over... so, with an 4-way elimination, set the first two for a main event level high qulity feud between legit title contenders (right... a feud between cena and JBL high quality...) while the last 2 continue the title feud... so you eliminate the extra #1 contenders and prepare the way for next title feuds

#2 Why are his knees so heavily taped?

Really??? this one just seems cheap to me... the guy has lost almost 2 years of his career because of HUGE knee problems... and he is on his 40's... and he has been a wrestler for more than 10 years... and he weights more than 250... and he does some moves lifting people or landing on his knees(spinebuster, pedigree, I think he lands on his knees everytime he does a clothesline...) if he doesn't protect himself that way, by 2009 he will be Wheel Chaired Game... Kane uses something similar, but a different outfit so you don't notice... HBK has knee problems... have you seen the the sort of protection he uses under those loose pants (Rey Mysterio anyone???)??? just check the time when spirit squad was going to "hurt" his knee... it took like 5 minuts to take all off... Did I mention HBK had to change his outfit to not look ridiculous with huge knee protectors?? but nobody says anything about Michaels just because he doesn't have steph on top of him every night...

But I supose he was using heavily taped knees since 2000 when he was younger and had no surgeries... isn't he?

#3 Why when he's a heel does he bleed so much?

Well I give you this one... he want's to loke so impressive, so powerful that he needs to be bleeding like a horror movie zombie to get a clean pin...

On the other hand... how you notice when someone is kicking his opponent's ass?? when the other guy bleeds!!! don't you love to see H's ass beaten by some else??? is this or not a proof that the other guy is just doing things in a good way??? does it put over the other guy as it looks like he is almost killing H???

#4 Why did he use the Crossface on Sunday?

I'll give you this one too... there is no need to use the move... not because of Benoit's... just because he never used it before... cheap heat as some of you said...

#5 Why aren't certain wrestler allowed to do certain moves and why do some wrestlers have boring moves in their repetoir?

That's 2 questions...
the first one... because some times they just can't perform them well... maybe because of his own safety and his coworkers... maybe because some moves are so good and/or fancy that need to be kept to PPVs only... who knows... maybe WWE doesn't want children doing 450° splashes from the top of the fridge... choose one of them...

Also, this question makes me think how you imagine WWE road agent and booking meetings with Vince:

VINCE - Hell! that Paul London is so good, I love his finisher... How they call it slave?? can you do one of those??
HHH - Shooting star press, sir... And I can't even make it to the top rope because of my knees... but... now that I remember... I just saw London yesterday botching the move... he nearly kills himself... is not a good idea to keep him doing it...
VINCE - You're right slave... Anderson!!! BAN the move immediatly... tell London that his new finish is a chop to the chest...

Is this because they don't want to lessen the impact by other superstars? Possibly. But really come on. A cruiserweight can do all the flipping he wants. Undertaker will still out pop all of them when he does something high risk.

That sounds too out of place... It's like they tell Big guys not to do millitary press or chokeslams because Kendrick or Mysterio are not able to lift even their shoes.

The second one

I think that's off topic... What does it have to do with H? they have boring moves maybe because it's all they learnt in Greenwich Wrestling High School... Maybe because just like khali, their bodies doesn't allow them to do anything else... I always thought that if Khali was ever body slammed, it would take like an hour to get him up... maybe because they think Hogan became popular with 6 moves... why they shouldn't??? maye because they are just morons like batista who watches a move in some match, tries to copy it and performs so crappy that he never uses it again (rolling samoan drop like kennedy, swinging side slam a la abyss)... I don't the reason is HHH... if that's the case, Michelle McCool will never be using that facebuster which well performed looks like a more powerful and fancy version of the pedigree.

And why do all of the Raw main eventers look inferior to HHH? Why does Randy Orton do headlocks for 5 minutes?

mmm... because the raw main event has a variety of 20 moves... including the movesets for Cena, Orton, JBL, H... and I think that's all the raw main event card... Orton does headlocks for five minutes because some times during matches he gets lost, maybe he has bad memory... remember when HHH got injured this last time?? he got a chair and when he was about to hit Michaels, the referee yelled nooooo!! and he just ran away???

And why is Cena's offence so pathetic? Wait forget about that one.

that was a good one...

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Big thanks to IC25 & chrisgod. I really appreciate you answers. I have another question though.

#6 Why hasn't Triple H evolved?

In the 9 years or so since Triple H became a main event player, why hasn't he changed at all? He's wearing the same attire, doing the same promos, using the same foreign object, having the same matches. Why is that? Is it because he's that damn good and he can rest on his laurels and not improve for nearly a decade? Other than turning from heel to face he really hasn't changed at all in all that time.

#7 Why has he adopted the King Of Kings alias?

In my opinion this makes Jerry Lawler look bad. His gimmick is that of a king. And here come Triple H and adopts the persona of King Of Kings. Lawler has been doing it for years, and here Triple H comes along and steals it from him. It's not even a gimmick change. It's a name just to make Jerry Lawler look bad. At least Booker T was regal all the time. Triple H is only king when he wants to be.

#8 Why did he wear white boots at Wrestle Mania XX?

I truly feel that he wore them to detract away from Benoit. Everyone noticed Triple H's boots. everyone was curious why he was wearing white boots. He's never done before, he hasn't after. I think he wore them because people would focus more on them than they would Benoit. Face it, the boots had more personanlity than he did.

Answers appreciated.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Big thanks to IC25 & chrisgod. I really appreciate you answers. I have another question though.

#6 Why hasn't Triple H evolved?

In the 9 years or so since Triple H became a main event player, why hasn't he changed at all? He's wearing the same attire, doing the same promos, using the same foreign object, having the same matches. Why is that? Is it because he's that damn good and he can rest on his laurels and not improve for nearly a decade? Other than turning from heel to face he really hasn't changed at all in all that time.

#7 Why has he adopted the King Of Kings alias?

In my opinion this makes Jerry Lawler look bad. His gimmick is that of a king. And here come Triple H and adopts the persona of King Of Kings. Lawler has been doing it for years, and here Triple H comes along and steals it from him. It's not even a gimmick change. It's a name just to make Jerry Lawler look bad. At least Booker T was regal all the time. Triple H is only king when he wants to be.

#8 Why did he wear white boots at Wrestle Mania XX?

I truly feel that he wore them to detract away from Benoit. Everyone noticed Triple H's boots. everyone was curious why he was wearing white boots. He's never done before, he hasn't after. I think he wore them because people would focus more on them than they would Benoit. Face it, the boots had more personanlity than he did.

Answers appreciated.

6. This question could be redirected at most superstars Jake, which superstar has evolved over the years besides Taker? I can't think of any, Shawn does the same things he always does, Stone Cold didn't need to change, The Rock didn't need to change, so why should Trips change? Of course wrestlers are going to have the same promos, that's what gets them over, "And that's the bottom line!", "Do you smell what The Rock is cookin?", and "Whatcha gonna do Brother!" are catch phrases that will forever be known because Austin, Rock, and Hogan used them every damn promo they had. Why fix something that's not broken is a short way to put it, Triple H gets by just fine with what he has been doing for the past ten years, so why change now?

7. I admit, the King Of Kings gimmick does discredit former King gimmicks like Jerry Lawler's and Harley Race's, but here are a few reasons why I think Triple H uses it: #1. During the time when he began calling himself The King Of Kings, WWE was being sued by "The Game"(The Rapper) for using his name, so I think the WWE gave Trips another gimmick name just to be safe because if they lost the case against The Game, Triple H would become gimmick-less. #2. Triple H was a 10 time champion when he dubbed himself "The King Of Kings", so the gimmick fitted him perfectly because he has done everything there is to do in the WWE, from winning many World/WWE championships, leading stables, winning the Rumble and KOTR, to becoming a top name in the business today. You may ask "Why didn't other great wrestlers that did many things in the WWE get that gimmick?", the answer is simple, Triple H is the only guy that could pull a gimmick like that off, he has the look, the ruthlessness, the cockyness, and the facts to back it all up.

8. Haha, this question is ridiculous, are you really that paranoid to believe Triple H wore white boots just to distract people away from Benoit Jake? This is no different than John Cena having a school band play his theme song at WrestleMania 24, why? Because it is WrestleMania. A lot of wrestlers usually wear new ring attire at Mania' or have a more special entrance than usual, just to make the event feel more unique compared to regular PPVs. Triple H wearing white boots is the same as him having MotorHead play his theme song at previous WrestleManias. Shawn Michaels wore new chaps at WM23 against John Cena, so I could say "Shawn is wearing white and red chaps to distract people from John Cena's horrible injury selling, it's a conspiracy!" lol.

You are putting Triple H under the microscope too much Jake(and other serious HHH haters), so you can find every little detail to make these crazy accusations, but I can do the same thing with any other wrestler in the WWE, it's simple, exclude everything good about the wrestler and exploit the bad things about him/her.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

6. This question could be redirected at most superstars Jake, which superstar has evolved over the years besides Taker? I can't think of any, Shawn does the same things he always does, Stone Cold didn't need to change, The Rock didn't need to change, so why should Trips change? Of course wrestlers are going to have the same promos, that's what gets them over, "And that's the bottom line!", "Do you smell what The Rock is cookin?", and "Whatcha gonna do Brother!" are catch phrases that will forever be known because Austin, Rock, and Hogan used them every damn promo they had. Why fix something that's not broken is a short way to put it, Triple H gets by just fine with what he has been doing for the past ten years, so why change now?

Austin hasn't wrestled in 5 years. He appears about 5 times a year, so he can get away with not evolving. But even he changed 2001. Remember comedy Austin?

The Rock hasn't spent more than a month on WWE TV in 5 years. So why would he need to change? He's appeared twice in two years. Triple H appears three times on a weekly Raw.

Hogan appears maybe once a year in WWE. So why does he need to change? He did anyway. In 1996.

HBK made his return in 2002. Yeah he's stale and boring now. But he's not been doing the same shit for as long as HHH. HBK turned heel in 2005 as well, which was a change. You can't count Triple H's heel and faces turns as something new. Because he's exactly the same. He squashes everybody either way.

Triple H appears throughout the year. And bar injuries he's been on the roster exactly the same since 1999. 9 years without a change in gimmick.

You are putting Triple H under the microscope too much Jake(and other serious HHH haters), so you can find every little detail to make these crazy accusations, but I can do the same thing with any other wrestler in the WWE, it's simple, exclude everything good about the wrestler and exploit the bad things about him/her.

Did you not realize when I asked a question about his boots that I was taking the piss?

 

[Canadian Knight]

King of Kings, bah! They only get him to get these names because they can sell more shirts. Names like Cerebral Assassin (sorry if i spelt it wrong) does make sense and is right. He was never 'appointed' King, and he is not the best of the best. Why should we call him the best wrestler because he has had the belt 10 or 11 times, some or most of which were because of his power behind the throne? Or that he had one of the most longest reigns (and terrible) runs? When he retires I will call him one of the best, but he will never be the best to me

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Originally posted by Y 2 Jake
Austin hasn't wrestled in 5 years. He appears about 5 times a year, so he can get away with not evolving. But even he changed 2001. Remember comedy Austin?

I remember comedy Austin, but the only thing that came from that is the annoying "WHAT?!" chants we hear every week on RAW.

The Rock hasn't spent more than a month on WWE TV in 5 years. So why would he need to change? He's appeared twice in two years. Triple H appears three times on a weekly Raw.

The point I was trying to make was that if Rock or Austin were still wrestling today, they will be having the same promos, the same matches, and wearing the same ring attire because they have found their niche in the wrestling business. Triple H has found his niche as well, he is The Game/King Of Kings, it is what gets him over, so there is no need for change.

Hogan appears maybe once a year in WWE. So why does he need to change? He did anyway. In 1996.

He turned heel and wore black and white instead of red and yellow, anyways, I thought you said turning face/heel didn't count for Triple H changing, then why should it count for Hogan?

HBK made his return in 2002. Yeah he's stale and boring now. But he's not been doing the same shit for as long as HHH. HBK turned heel in 2005 as well, which was a change. You can't count Triple H's heel and faces turns as something new. Because he's exactly the same. He squashes everybody either way.

Yeah, Shawn turned heel alright, for a couple of weeks lol. So, HBK turning heel for less than a month is a change, but Triple H turning face(for two years now) don't mean shit?

Triple H appears throughout the year. And bar injuries he's been on the roster exactly the same since 1999. 9 years without a change in gimmick.

He went from being a Greenwich Blueblood, to a crude Degenerate, to The Game, to the King Of Kings, to a more kid friendly Degenerate, to being a mix between the King Of Kings and The Game. He changed quite a bit in his career, nothing drastic(except for DX), but a change nonetheless.

Did you not realize when I asked a question about his boots that I was taking the piss?

I figured it was either that, or you had a bad case of paranoia lol.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I remember comedy Austin, but the only thing that came from that is the annoying "WHAT?!" chants we hear every week on RAW.

Regardless, he changed his character, and it made him somewhat fresh when he returned as a proper face. Besides, Stone Cold was far more over than Triple H ever has been and his character was less bland.

The point I was trying to make was that if Rock or Austin were still wrestling today, they will be having the same promos, the same matches, and wearing the same ring attire because they have found their niche in the wrestling business. Triple H has found his niche as well, he is The Game/King Of Kings, it is what gets him over, so there is no need for change.

Well, that's really just speculation. It's a valid point... maybe. However, Stone Cold and Rock still aren't wrestling as the exact same character they have been for ages. Triple H is, leading me to use the phrase "if my aunt had bollocks, she'd be my uncle."

He turned heel and wore black and white instead of red and yellow, anyways, I thought you said turning face/heel didn't count for Triple H changing, then why should it count for Hogan?

Hogan's heel switch was far deeper than just a changing of attire, whereas Triple H always leans toward tweener territory no matter what alignment he has.

Yeah, Shawn turned heel alright, for a couple of weeks lol. So, HBK turning heel for less than a month is a change, but Triple H turning face(for two years now) don't mean shit?

I agree that Michaels has been similar to Triple H in these terms. However, he hasn't been in modern WWE as long, his gimmick is more flamboyant and less bland than Triple H's and he puts on much better matches consistently. He's also evolved... slightly.

He went from being a Greenwich Blueblood, to a crude Degenerate, to The Game, to the King Of Kings, to a more kid friendly Degenerate, to being a mix between the King Of Kings and The Game. He changed quite a bit in his career, nothing drastic(except for DX), but a change nonetheless.

Like Shawn Michaels, yeah. Still, that was just going from two different guys, to The Game, to the same guy with another moniker added, to a slightly altered Game who could reasonably not be moody Mary all the time, to being a moody Mary again. Hardly Darwin, is it?

I figured it was either that, or you had a bad case of paranoia lol.

It's a conspiracy, I swear.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The point I was trying to make was that if Rock or Austin were still wrestling today, they will be having the same promos, the same matches, and wearing the same ring attire because they have found their niche in the wrestling business. Triple H has found his niche as well, he is The Game/King Of Kings, it is what gets him over, so there is no need for change.

We'll never know. Because Austin & The Rock aren't active on the roster. But HHH is.

He turned heel and wore black and white instead of red and yellow, anyways, I thought you said turning face/heel didn't count for Triple H changing, then why should it count for Hogan?

Hogan was vastly different as a heel, Triple H isn't any different.

Yeah, Shawn turned heel alright, for a couple of weeks lol. So, HBK turning heel for less than a month is a change, but Triple H turning face(for two years now) don't mean shit?

Err yeah. Like I said when Triple H turns heel he's exactly the same. In what way is he different? Does he squash fewer people?

HBK's heel turn in 2005 completley changed him. Even if it was only for 6 weeks.

He went from being a Greenwich Blueblood, to a crude Degenerate, to The Game, to the King Of Kings, to a more kid friendly Degenerate, to being a mix between the King Of Kings and The Game. He changed quite a bit in his career, nothing drastic(except for DX), but a change nonetheless.

Scraping the barrel there. Quick question:

What exactly is the King Of Kings gimmick?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

How good it was of Triple H to put over the entire ECW roster last night. He lost didn't he? So by some peoples logic he put them over. Even though the only person I've seen Triple H put over is Batista. I applaud him for doing the good thing and allowing about 15 wrestlers to get the better of him and Kennedy in the ring last night.

Another quick question. These are going to run and run.

#9 Why wasn't the Handicap match last night an elimination match?

Orton & Cena faced the entire Raw roster a couple of weeks ago. And that match was elimination. Why wasn't this one? My thoery is that with the elimination matches you lose a wrestler per pin, obviously.

But in last nights match the team was always going to be 15 man strong. Which makes it almost impossible for the smaller sided team to win. With the elimination match the larger team can allow a few wrestlers to get eliminated because there was always going to be several others towards the end anyway.

So was this another one of those matches where Triple H looks stong even in defeat?

I loved how he destroyed the whole roster after the match too. Moment of the year imo.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I just watched the match this morning because I usually work during RAW. Jake makes a good point, by most of your peoples logic, HHH did indeed put over the whole ECW roster because he lost. Nevermind the fact that he looked stronger than all of them, his team lost. HHH probably just demanded a 15-2 match so that he could put over 15 guys at once. I'm sure he wanted to be the one to take the pinfall too, but Kennedy probably jumped in and said "no, your character was damaged enough at Wrestlemania when you lost, let me take the pin."

 

[kiriyama]

Now I don't hate Triple H... hell I was his biggest fan back when I was thoughtless mark, but the guy just uses his political power a bit much. I'm mean, HBK has the same privilege... but you don't see him getting the belt every other title reign. WWE seriously needs to give other wrestlers their due... it was pleasing to see Orton get his last year, but I feel it was short-lived. It just got good after Wrestlemania and suddenly, BAM! It's over at Backlash. Complete and utter crap, when Triple H had his run back during the Mcmahon-Helmsley era... he basically dominated all his competition or he had help. Orton gets a watered-down, *****fied reign with lots of running and DQing. But eh... what can I say, WWE's fanbase is populated more by Marks, not smarks... so we best be prepared to play the Game for quite a while.

 

[Unrated Superstar]

I haven't posted in forever, good to be back.

Since I haven't posted in this thread before, I'll mention that I voted "I'm not a fan of his."

I actually posted in the "thumbs up for Triple H" thread after he lost to Jeff Hardy, saying I thought it was cool of him, and that he generally does what's good for business. Even then I knew he had an ego, but since then I've become even more jaded with Trips.

Yeah, he lost to Hardy, but who even remembers that? It came across as one of those fluke wins with some kind of rollup. Lame. Then Hardy loses clean to Orton at Rumble. Whoopy.

And compare Triple H to Shawn Michaels. Michaels has been a big star longer than Triple H, and he has political power too, but he puts people over, and not just in a subtle way. He lost to Jeff Hardy too, and the difference was Hardy looked good in that match, winning decisively. Shawn Michaels put over Mr. Kennedy cleanly, can you imagine Triple H doing that?

He's owns big stars in handicap matches, and most recently, he destroys the entire ECW roster in one shot. Some people might argue that he let them save face a bit by doing it with a chair, but who really notices the chair? People will just remember that Triple H whooped their asses. So what if he lost, Kennedy had to do the job...and to Chavo Guerrero, no less!

I do realize it led up to a thing with Randy Orton, which is the main event feud on Raw, but was all that really necessary?

To me, Triple H is kind of like Tommy from the original Power Rangers. Tommy comes in as the green ranger, nothing too special, but eventually becomes important because he's banging Kimberly. Then he leaves for a while and everybody makes a fuss over him when he comes back as the white ranger. Upon returning as the white ranger, he uses his stroke to get Zordon to name him the new leader of the power rangers, effectively screwing Jason and making him look like a putz. Except in WWE, Tommy is Triple H, Kimberly is Stephanie McMahon, Zordon is Vince McMahon, the white ranger outfit is the king of kings crown, and Jason is every other superstar on the WWE roster.