Triple H isn't a "Great Wreslter" , no where near that , he developed some good in ring abilities and through experience , has been able to put on some decent matches. Trips' character is well developed , and through the fact hes been there for so long , makes him one of the top guys , up there with The Undertaker and HBK.
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Triple H isn't a "Great Wreslter" , no where near that , he developed some good in ring abilities and through experience , has been able to put on some decent matches. Trips' character is well developed , and through the fact hes been there for so long , makes him one of the top guys , up there with The Undertaker and HBK.
HHH is was more entertaining and funny and the Pedigree is still worth watching.
The FU?! It's just a standing Fireman carry!
One things for sure, Cena can't retire with dignity any more, he's already over stayed his welcome. That's quite an accomplishment for someone who's been in the WWE for less than 3 years....
The FU?! It's just a standing Fireman carry!
One things for sure, Cena can't retire with dignity any more, he's already over stayed his welcome. That's quite an accomplishment for someone who's been in the WWE for less than 3 years....
"THE FIERCE ONE" MIKE W
Occasional Pre-Show
HHH, John Cena is a terrible wrestler, HHH isn't really that great,(the only reason he won 10 soon to be 11 belts i cause he is married to Stef) but he can put on much better matches than Cena. Cena only knows; tops 6 moves. Cena is nowhere near the caliber as Bob backlund, and i think he already passed his title reign. Cena should go to TNA, and be with all the other WWE rejects, WWE may not have rejected him but the fans sure have.
PS i'm tired of hearing Cena has the longest title reign in the last decade, last time i checked Hulk Hogan held it for 3 straight years in WCW, Cena may be superman, and shoved down our throats more than a ****e shoves.... well u get the idea, but hes never gonna break that record.
I'm not actually sure if that 3 years is fact please correct me if i'm wrong. Didn't Backlund hold it for 2 ears straight? My memory is a bit sketchy before the late 80's early 90's.
PS i'm tired of hearing Cena has the longest title reign in the last decade, last time i checked Hulk Hogan held it for 3 straight years in WCW, Cena may be superman, and shoved down our throats more than a ****e shoves.... well u get the idea, but hes never gonna break that record.
I'm not actually sure if that 3 years is fact please correct me if i'm wrong. Didn't Backlund hold it for 2 ears straight? My memory is a bit sketchy before the late 80's early 90's.
B
BIG kev
Guest
WHATTTT john cena can not do long matches he sux he gets carried thru his matces and only has 5 moves!al he duz is get carried thru the match and then comes back with sum shoulda blocks a spinout powa bomb den his stupd litle u can't c me thing. and tha main fact that singles out triple h compared 2 wrestlers like cena rey rey and bastia is that fans of all ages like him unlike cena were only litle kids like him.
BrooklynBuc
Pre-Show Stalwart
At first I chose HHH right away based on experience. After thinking about it and despite the fact that he needs a change, I would now go with Cena hands down.
I think Cena should change his theme music. He's been using the same music since before Wrestlemania 21 (did he use it against the Big Show? I don't remember) but that's about as stale as I think it gets. Unlike others, I don't find Cena boring. So his F-U is a bad finisher? I'd take the F-U over MVP's Playmaker, that weird leg over the head and spin down thing. (What exactly is that?!) It's basically a Death Valley Driver for the back instead of the head. So what? How devastating was the Legdrop? The People's Elbow? Hell, JBL used a clothesline to finish people! Whether you like or hate Cena for whatever reason, none of you reading this have given up on the WWE, and if you have, it's sad that one wrestler can make you turn the channel. The Summerslam match wasn't as bad as people said it was, and a lot of them hated it SOLELY because Cena won in the end.
The fact is HHH is a better heel than a face because as a heel, he played arrogance perfectly. Whether he had Evolution, Stephanie-McMahon, Chyna, or D-X, he was always the personification of cheating and viciousness. If he were a heel, he'd be great but he wouldn't be the face of the WWE.
Meanwhile, Cena has done everything asked of him. He's taken on big guy after big guy, main evented PPV after PPV, never complained and stayed from being injured, and never been a disclipine or steroid problem. He's a nice guy that will sign autographs outside of the ring, gets along with other wrestlers, respects younger and older wrestlers, and is presentable as a wrestler to the mainstream public.
And by the way, I think Bruno Sammartino wins. He had two titles reigns, one was 8 years long, and the other was 5 years long. Hogan held his first title reign for 4 years.
I think Cena should change his theme music. He's been using the same music since before Wrestlemania 21 (did he use it against the Big Show? I don't remember) but that's about as stale as I think it gets. Unlike others, I don't find Cena boring. So his F-U is a bad finisher? I'd take the F-U over MVP's Playmaker, that weird leg over the head and spin down thing. (What exactly is that?!) It's basically a Death Valley Driver for the back instead of the head. So what? How devastating was the Legdrop? The People's Elbow? Hell, JBL used a clothesline to finish people! Whether you like or hate Cena for whatever reason, none of you reading this have given up on the WWE, and if you have, it's sad that one wrestler can make you turn the channel. The Summerslam match wasn't as bad as people said it was, and a lot of them hated it SOLELY because Cena won in the end.
The fact is HHH is a better heel than a face because as a heel, he played arrogance perfectly. Whether he had Evolution, Stephanie-McMahon, Chyna, or D-X, he was always the personification of cheating and viciousness. If he were a heel, he'd be great but he wouldn't be the face of the WWE.
Meanwhile, Cena has done everything asked of him. He's taken on big guy after big guy, main evented PPV after PPV, never complained and stayed from being injured, and never been a disclipine or steroid problem. He's a nice guy that will sign autographs outside of the ring, gets along with other wrestlers, respects younger and older wrestlers, and is presentable as a wrestler to the mainstream public.
And by the way, I think Bruno Sammartino wins. He had two titles reigns, one was 8 years long, and the other was 5 years long. Hogan held his first title reign for 4 years.
Well, i will go with John Cena,honestly i love the guy i think he is a very good competitor. I believe even as champ the WWE doesnt use him well so they limit him and his abilty. I think cena can cut a good promo and he seems to be doing a great job, everyone hates him. People say Cena cant wrestle but he puts on long enough matches and every match of the year candidate john cena is in.
Triple H has decent in ring skills, and he plays a heel really well because he basically makes you despise him. but i think with his character it is same old stuff. I think the WWE could survive without him now. He can be entertaining in the ring but he doesnt have that much of a move set either, he bashes your head off his knees then sets you up for the pedigree. I think Triple H is past his prime and he cant even see it in his rear view mirror.
All in all i will go with John Cena he is like the longest reigning champ of this decade or even maybe two decades. He puts on a decent match everytime out and he does make it believable. He puts on a decent main event at every pay per view and his matches are candidates for Match of the year. so i believe it is better to have cena as champ rather than Triple H.
Triple H has decent in ring skills, and he plays a heel really well because he basically makes you despise him. but i think with his character it is same old stuff. I think the WWE could survive without him now. He can be entertaining in the ring but he doesnt have that much of a move set either, he bashes your head off his knees then sets you up for the pedigree. I think Triple H is past his prime and he cant even see it in his rear view mirror.
All in all i will go with John Cena he is like the longest reigning champ of this decade or even maybe two decades. He puts on a decent match everytime out and he does make it believable. He puts on a decent main event at every pay per view and his matches are candidates for Match of the year. so i believe it is better to have cena as champ rather than Triple H.
I'd go with HHH hands down. I'm not a big fan of either man, I prefer watching high flyers and mid-carders that actually have a move arsenal consisting of 10 moves or better (that goes for both Cena and HHH). But if I were forced between watching a HHH or Cena match I'd pick HHH. Because of all the shit he went through to climb to the top and not just be a fan favorite and everything handed to him from the get go.
People critisize him for backstage politics and only being at the top because of Stef, well maybe if you guys had a history lesson you'd know all the shit he went through with the famed "Curtain Call" incident at MSG. Shawn was champ, Nash & Hall were leaving so he got all the blame. He was supposed to win king of the ring that year and that didn't happen (Austin did). He pretty much jobbed for one year straight, having to pay his dues to get back to where he was. Plus I honestly believe he is more dedicated to wrestling than Cena is, now I'm not saying Cena isn't dedicated that'd be a lie to say, but I just feel at the end of the day HHH's heart is in the business more than Cena.
People critisize him for backstage politics and only being at the top because of Stef, well maybe if you guys had a history lesson you'd know all the shit he went through with the famed "Curtain Call" incident at MSG. Shawn was champ, Nash & Hall were leaving so he got all the blame. He was supposed to win king of the ring that year and that didn't happen (Austin did). He pretty much jobbed for one year straight, having to pay his dues to get back to where he was. Plus I honestly believe he is more dedicated to wrestling than Cena is, now I'm not saying Cena isn't dedicated that'd be a lie to say, but I just feel at the end of the day HHH's heart is in the business more than Cena.
actually, even though im not a cena fan, the SS match really did suck, but not because of cena, it sucked because of orton IMO
and it shouldnt matter if the wrestler is a nice guy, or if he does everything they tell him too, many wrestlers do what they're told to do and dont complain, hence why so many guys dont mind being a mid carder for life and jobbing to up and comers, and ur not actually gonna tell me that u think cena didnt take steroids? ya... right... what matters how he entertains ppl...
i dont hate the guy, im not a anti-cena, i know he can wrestle but the way WWE is using him is not entertaining IMO, sorry but i cant see how u find cena entertaining, i dont mean his matches, i mean just the whole gimmick, well i guess each person is entertained differently, though i think its safe to say that cena is a champ for the kids and that most of his pops are from kids and women, while that isnt wrong, but if i would want some1 to be champ for so long, at least have a decent entertaining/interesting gimmick and not say the same old non funny crap over and over again, wrestling just seems more stupid with a champ directed to kids IMO
im not saying that all champs have to be for older male fans, its just what i would like to see, its my opinion, but i dont think its wrong to have a champ like cena... i just think its boring =/, but o well... those are just my 2 cents
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JuggaloNinja666
Guest
It's Safe To Say That HHH Is A Much Better Wrestler Than Cena. It's Not About Who I Prefer (HHH) But If You Just Look At Each Mans In Ring Abbilities HHH Has A More Diverse Bank Of Moves And Each Move Is A Text-Book Preformance While Cena And His Four Moves That He Does Are All Botched.
kieran_devlin
Getting Noticed By Management
HHH and everyone should pick him.
1.We dont hate HHH
2.Even as a Face or Heel HHH plays both well
3.HHH can draw fans as a champion should
4.HHH would bring back the credibility needed to the belt
5.Makes a change from Cena whos been champ and defeated nearly every great future legend and top star in the WWE when clearly he dosnt deserve to
6.Would like to see HHH as champ
7.HHH wouldnt hog the belt like Cena YES I REALISE HE did this with WHC but he wouldnt do it now
8.HHH has a bigger moveset
9.HHH has the ability to entertain me Cena dosnt
10.HHH cuts world class promos
11.HHH can work well with anyone on the roster
12.CENAS DAMN CRAP AT WRESTLING i know he works hard but ffs hes champ he is supposed to work hard for all the money he gets paid if he didnt work hard then the next guy who sells t shirts would be champion theyd just get rid of Cena, i dont see why people say he works hard he dosnt have a wide moveset
13.Cena would get sacked if he started to get pissed off at the crowd what would the kids do and the parents do if Cena gave the crowd a finger for booing him or told them to fuck themselves coz he was the champ Triple knows how to play heel heat
14.Cena is only WWE Champ to get kids to ask their parents for a toy or a t shirt he pulls in sales comparable to Hogans populatity in the 80s, Cena Pisses me off he has a new t shirt every week evidence all he is their is to sell merchandise
14.Cenas reign is 2 years has beaten the best and shit but oh SO DID Brock Lesnar difference here is people that Brock got dealt with and left for American Football LOL that failed aswell
15.Cena is not a good entertainer hes bores me so badly
16.Any reason Cena should be Champion i can prove wrong and i proved wrong the hard working part and taking crap part so it dosnt count anymore
Any more reasons i would love to know
If you have a very considered argument on why Cena should be Champ over my reasons feel free to do so and i mean currently forgetting about HHH past.
I love Orton because he has Wrestling in his heart and turned himself around, HHH is big on him and Orton has been improving in ring and hasnt done anything bad outside the ring and behaves himself he reeks heel and can cut a great promo.
1.We dont hate HHH
2.Even as a Face or Heel HHH plays both well
3.HHH can draw fans as a champion should
4.HHH would bring back the credibility needed to the belt
5.Makes a change from Cena whos been champ and defeated nearly every great future legend and top star in the WWE when clearly he dosnt deserve to
6.Would like to see HHH as champ
7.HHH wouldnt hog the belt like Cena YES I REALISE HE did this with WHC but he wouldnt do it now
8.HHH has a bigger moveset
9.HHH has the ability to entertain me Cena dosnt
10.HHH cuts world class promos
11.HHH can work well with anyone on the roster
12.CENAS DAMN CRAP AT WRESTLING i know he works hard but ffs hes champ he is supposed to work hard for all the money he gets paid if he didnt work hard then the next guy who sells t shirts would be champion theyd just get rid of Cena, i dont see why people say he works hard he dosnt have a wide moveset
13.Cena would get sacked if he started to get pissed off at the crowd what would the kids do and the parents do if Cena gave the crowd a finger for booing him or told them to fuck themselves coz he was the champ Triple knows how to play heel heat
14.Cena is only WWE Champ to get kids to ask their parents for a toy or a t shirt he pulls in sales comparable to Hogans populatity in the 80s, Cena Pisses me off he has a new t shirt every week evidence all he is their is to sell merchandise
14.Cenas reign is 2 years has beaten the best and shit but oh SO DID Brock Lesnar difference here is people that Brock got dealt with and left for American Football LOL that failed aswell
15.Cena is not a good entertainer hes bores me so badly
16.Any reason Cena should be Champion i can prove wrong and i proved wrong the hard working part and taking crap part so it dosnt count anymore
Any more reasons i would love to know
If you have a very considered argument on why Cena should be Champ over my reasons feel free to do so and i mean currently forgetting about HHH past.
I love Orton because he has Wrestling in his heart and turned himself around, HHH is big on him and Orton has been improving in ring and hasnt done anything bad outside the ring and behaves himself he reeks heel and can cut a great promo.
SneakyGoblin
Dark Match Winner
HHH: The best heel in the industry IMO and he has great experience in the ring aswell as good technical skill.
Cena: His gimmick is tired and he lacks ring-skill.
For me there isn't really a comparison, HHH anyday.
Cena: His gimmick is tired and he lacks ring-skill.
For me there isn't really a comparison, HHH anyday.
J
jp07
Guest
Atleast Triple H can make jokes, cena gets on the mic and acts like an idiot trying to be funny, when he gets on the mic i feel like cutting my ears off. When triple h makes jokes and acts funny i actually laugh, just like i use to back in the attitude era even when i didnt like him.
BrooklynBuc
Pre-Show Stalwart
Alright, I'll take the task of defending Cena. Normally slyfox would do it, but I think I have some counters...I'll go down your list and give retorts:
HHH and everyone should pick him.
1.We dont hate HHH - Who's WE? Oh, yeah, the forum. I don't think the 50+ of us count vs. the mindless masses; and yes, I'll admit, they're mindless. They pay ridiculous amounts of money for merchandise that goes stale at the next character change. Still, I don't hate Cena or HHH. Why should I hate them? Neither one is boring. Have you fallen asleep during a Cena match? A HHH match?
2.Even as a Face or Heel HHH plays both well - So has Cena. Cena got over with his heel-wigga-with-a-chain gimmick, then turned face into the hardcore thug who never quits. A lot of the good champions play both well. How is Cena not playing a face well? Besides, how is HHH playing a face well besides insulting Vince McMahon? He played a face well in DX feuding with the Nation and the Corporation, but times have changed. Even when he came back to beat Jericho, his face turn didn't last long. It's like The Undertaker, even when he's a heel he still got cheered because he was The Undertaker. HHH will always be the arrogant sledge-hammer wielding cerebral assassin, whether he's face or heel.
3.HHH can draw fans as a champion should - Ratings haven't suffered much since Cena became champ. What other fans is he supposed to draw? HHH has never a mainstream guy. Austin and The Rock were, but HHH, no way. Cena comes close to mainstream because he's starred in a movie as a hero and a not a henchman. (Blade 3, anyone?)
4.HHH would bring back the credibility needed to the belt - The guy that finally beats Cena is going to be loved by the forum dwellers, hated by the masses, and probably would be what The Undertaker was when he first beat Hogan for the WWF title in '91 - the dominant heel that beat the unstoppable champ. The man that beats Cena will get instant credibility, the same way RVD was so loved for beating Cena at One Night Stand. Too bad he couldn't keep the joint out of his mouth. HHH's reign of terror with the World Heavyweight Title had lulls but he always cheated his way back in,and you knew he'd eventually get it back (see: Jericho, Michaels). Remember this: HHH has only been champ ONCE as a face, and that was as the Undisputed Champ, which lasted a whopping month, and he lost to Hogan.
5.Makes a change from Cena whos been champ and defeated nearly every great future legend and top star in the WWE when clearly he dosnt deserve to - A change is good, you're right, but wins and losses happen all the time. Which superstar didn't he deserve to beat? Shawn Michaels didn't want to be champ, so he jobbed to him at Wrestlemania, even tapped for him. He lost to Edge twice, so what more was coming for him? As for Orton, it's the WWE's way of setting up the inevitable loss. Suspense and such. People will order Unforgiven for the SOLE reason of watching Orton win and Cena lose the belt. That's marketing! Plus it sets up a third and final match for No Mercy. By the way, which future legends are we talking here? Khali? Carlito? Umaga?
6.Would like to see HHH as champ - Why? He's an injury risk. How many more leg\knee injuries can he take? Would you really want HHH to be champ and risk permanently being put out?
7.HHH wouldnt hog the belt like Cena YES I REALISE HE did this with WHC but he wouldnt do it now - Because HHH has seen the light? Did he find his calling? Is he nice and cuddly now?
8.HHH has a bigger moveset - HHH has been wrestling for close to 15 years, including time in WCW and trained under Killer Kowalski. Cena just began in early 2000 or so. That's like saying Meryl Streep has more range than Dakota Fanning.
9.HHH has the ability to entertain me Cena dosnt - Cena does, you just don't like him. Matter of opinion.
10.HHH cuts world class promos - Like when? "Vince likes cock?!" "Suck it!" I don't think either man is that great, but at least HHH as a heel is sadistic. Name me one HHH promo that you would look up on Youtube. Just one. I can name about 10 Rock promos, and the Cena\Stephanie promo "let me slap that ass" was somewhat funny.
11.HHH can work well with anyone on the roster - Cena faces guy like Umaga and The Great Khali. Not much to work with. HHH had legendary feuds with Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. Cena's main feuds as WWE Champion have been JBL, Edge, Shawn Michaels, Umaga, The Great Khali and Bobby Lashley. So he and Shawn had a bad match at Wrestlemania. Did you see the near hour long rematch not for the belt on RAW? That was a great match, and WOW! Cena got pinned for 1-2-3. Check out Cena facing Kurt Angle, and you'll see a difference.
12.CENAS DAMN CRAP AT WRESTLING i know he works hard but ffs hes champ he is supposed to work hard for all the money he gets paid if he didnt work hard then the next guy who sells t shirts would be champion theyd just get rid of Cena, i dont see why people say he works hard he dosnt have a wide moveset - How does having a limited moveset make you lazy? Exactly how many moves did JBL have? How many moves did Hogan have? And Cena has wrestled EVERY NIGHT without injury for almost two years straight. What more does he need to do? Build a barbed wire fence in the desert?
13.Cena would get sacked if he started to get pissed off at the crowd what would the kids do and the parents do if Cena gave the crowd a finger for booing him or told them to fuck themselves coz he was the champ Triple knows how to play heel heat - Please, PLEASE remember the Rob Van Dam vs. John Cena match at One Night Stand in '06. PLEASE. Tell me Cena wasn't playing the heel. Tell me he wasn't having fun with it. By the way, Batista HAS done that. He had a match vs. The Big Show on ECW and he lost it because the crowd wasn't loving him. Cena has composure at least. Batista is an arrogant asshole.
14.Cena is only WWE Champ to get kids to ask their parents for a toy or a t shirt he pulls in sales comparable to Hogans populatity in the 80s, Cena Pisses me off he has a new t shirt every week evidence all he is their is to sell merchandise - So I guess Cena is in the shirt factory making new shirts laughing maniacally at the money only he is making...oh, wait, I forgot, he doesn't work hard. How is this Cena's fault? HHH is better because he scares kids? Come to think of it, which shirt has sold more: Cena's shirts, or D-X shirts, which have been around longer? Think about that...
14.Cenas reign is 2 years has beaten the best and shit but oh SO DID Brock Lesnar difference here is people that Brock got dealt with and left for American Football LOL that failed aswell - WTF?!
15.Cena is not a good entertainer hes bores me so badly - Sorry he does that to you. Catch up on your sleep?
16.Any reason Cena should be Champion i can prove wrong and i proved wrong the hard working part and taking crap part so it dosnt count anymore - Go for it. I got some free time. Cena's a better champ because he's established himself as the top guy, he doesn't get injured, he doesn't get arrested or embarrasses the company with sex scandals, destroyed hotel rooms or drugs, and he's a mainstream guy who people recognize.
I love Orton because he has Wrestling in his heart and turned himself around, HHH is big on him and Orton has been improving in ring and hasnt done anything bad outside the ring and behaves himself he reeks heel and can cut a great promo. - By the way, taking a shit on people's stuff isn't living wrestling. It's sick. Trashing hotel rooms and doing drugs and getting suspended for it isn't what brings in fans unless you like that kind of stuff.
Point is, Cena isn't THAT bad, people! It's not like Doink or David Arquette is the champ. So Cena uses 4 moves. So Cena does a Superman gimmick. So what? HHH is good, but he's better as a heel hands down. Cena is a face and should be until they decide he's not over enough and no one cares anymore. Until the mindless masses decide that, anyway.
HHH and everyone should pick him.
1.We dont hate HHH - Who's WE? Oh, yeah, the forum. I don't think the 50+ of us count vs. the mindless masses; and yes, I'll admit, they're mindless. They pay ridiculous amounts of money for merchandise that goes stale at the next character change. Still, I don't hate Cena or HHH. Why should I hate them? Neither one is boring. Have you fallen asleep during a Cena match? A HHH match?
2.Even as a Face or Heel HHH plays both well - So has Cena. Cena got over with his heel-wigga-with-a-chain gimmick, then turned face into the hardcore thug who never quits. A lot of the good champions play both well. How is Cena not playing a face well? Besides, how is HHH playing a face well besides insulting Vince McMahon? He played a face well in DX feuding with the Nation and the Corporation, but times have changed. Even when he came back to beat Jericho, his face turn didn't last long. It's like The Undertaker, even when he's a heel he still got cheered because he was The Undertaker. HHH will always be the arrogant sledge-hammer wielding cerebral assassin, whether he's face or heel.
3.HHH can draw fans as a champion should - Ratings haven't suffered much since Cena became champ. What other fans is he supposed to draw? HHH has never a mainstream guy. Austin and The Rock were, but HHH, no way. Cena comes close to mainstream because he's starred in a movie as a hero and a not a henchman. (Blade 3, anyone?)
4.HHH would bring back the credibility needed to the belt - The guy that finally beats Cena is going to be loved by the forum dwellers, hated by the masses, and probably would be what The Undertaker was when he first beat Hogan for the WWF title in '91 - the dominant heel that beat the unstoppable champ. The man that beats Cena will get instant credibility, the same way RVD was so loved for beating Cena at One Night Stand. Too bad he couldn't keep the joint out of his mouth. HHH's reign of terror with the World Heavyweight Title had lulls but he always cheated his way back in,and you knew he'd eventually get it back (see: Jericho, Michaels). Remember this: HHH has only been champ ONCE as a face, and that was as the Undisputed Champ, which lasted a whopping month, and he lost to Hogan.
5.Makes a change from Cena whos been champ and defeated nearly every great future legend and top star in the WWE when clearly he dosnt deserve to - A change is good, you're right, but wins and losses happen all the time. Which superstar didn't he deserve to beat? Shawn Michaels didn't want to be champ, so he jobbed to him at Wrestlemania, even tapped for him. He lost to Edge twice, so what more was coming for him? As for Orton, it's the WWE's way of setting up the inevitable loss. Suspense and such. People will order Unforgiven for the SOLE reason of watching Orton win and Cena lose the belt. That's marketing! Plus it sets up a third and final match for No Mercy. By the way, which future legends are we talking here? Khali? Carlito? Umaga?
6.Would like to see HHH as champ - Why? He's an injury risk. How many more leg\knee injuries can he take? Would you really want HHH to be champ and risk permanently being put out?
7.HHH wouldnt hog the belt like Cena YES I REALISE HE did this with WHC but he wouldnt do it now - Because HHH has seen the light? Did he find his calling? Is he nice and cuddly now?
8.HHH has a bigger moveset - HHH has been wrestling for close to 15 years, including time in WCW and trained under Killer Kowalski. Cena just began in early 2000 or so. That's like saying Meryl Streep has more range than Dakota Fanning.
9.HHH has the ability to entertain me Cena dosnt - Cena does, you just don't like him. Matter of opinion.
10.HHH cuts world class promos - Like when? "Vince likes cock?!" "Suck it!" I don't think either man is that great, but at least HHH as a heel is sadistic. Name me one HHH promo that you would look up on Youtube. Just one. I can name about 10 Rock promos, and the Cena\Stephanie promo "let me slap that ass" was somewhat funny.
11.HHH can work well with anyone on the roster - Cena faces guy like Umaga and The Great Khali. Not much to work with. HHH had legendary feuds with Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. Cena's main feuds as WWE Champion have been JBL, Edge, Shawn Michaels, Umaga, The Great Khali and Bobby Lashley. So he and Shawn had a bad match at Wrestlemania. Did you see the near hour long rematch not for the belt on RAW? That was a great match, and WOW! Cena got pinned for 1-2-3. Check out Cena facing Kurt Angle, and you'll see a difference.
12.CENAS DAMN CRAP AT WRESTLING i know he works hard but ffs hes champ he is supposed to work hard for all the money he gets paid if he didnt work hard then the next guy who sells t shirts would be champion theyd just get rid of Cena, i dont see why people say he works hard he dosnt have a wide moveset - How does having a limited moveset make you lazy? Exactly how many moves did JBL have? How many moves did Hogan have? And Cena has wrestled EVERY NIGHT without injury for almost two years straight. What more does he need to do? Build a barbed wire fence in the desert?
13.Cena would get sacked if he started to get pissed off at the crowd what would the kids do and the parents do if Cena gave the crowd a finger for booing him or told them to fuck themselves coz he was the champ Triple knows how to play heel heat - Please, PLEASE remember the Rob Van Dam vs. John Cena match at One Night Stand in '06. PLEASE. Tell me Cena wasn't playing the heel. Tell me he wasn't having fun with it. By the way, Batista HAS done that. He had a match vs. The Big Show on ECW and he lost it because the crowd wasn't loving him. Cena has composure at least. Batista is an arrogant asshole.
14.Cena is only WWE Champ to get kids to ask their parents for a toy or a t shirt he pulls in sales comparable to Hogans populatity in the 80s, Cena Pisses me off he has a new t shirt every week evidence all he is their is to sell merchandise - So I guess Cena is in the shirt factory making new shirts laughing maniacally at the money only he is making...oh, wait, I forgot, he doesn't work hard. How is this Cena's fault? HHH is better because he scares kids? Come to think of it, which shirt has sold more: Cena's shirts, or D-X shirts, which have been around longer? Think about that...
14.Cenas reign is 2 years has beaten the best and shit but oh SO DID Brock Lesnar difference here is people that Brock got dealt with and left for American Football LOL that failed aswell - WTF?!
15.Cena is not a good entertainer hes bores me so badly - Sorry he does that to you. Catch up on your sleep?
16.Any reason Cena should be Champion i can prove wrong and i proved wrong the hard working part and taking crap part so it dosnt count anymore - Go for it. I got some free time. Cena's a better champ because he's established himself as the top guy, he doesn't get injured, he doesn't get arrested or embarrasses the company with sex scandals, destroyed hotel rooms or drugs, and he's a mainstream guy who people recognize.
I love Orton because he has Wrestling in his heart and turned himself around, HHH is big on him and Orton has been improving in ring and hasnt done anything bad outside the ring and behaves himself he reeks heel and can cut a great promo. - By the way, taking a shit on people's stuff isn't living wrestling. It's sick. Trashing hotel rooms and doing drugs and getting suspended for it isn't what brings in fans unless you like that kind of stuff.
Point is, Cena isn't THAT bad, people! It's not like Doink or David Arquette is the champ. So Cena uses 4 moves. So Cena does a Superman gimmick. So what? HHH is good, but he's better as a heel hands down. Cena is a face and should be until they decide he's not over enough and no one cares anymore. Until the mindless masses decide that, anyway.
i just cant wait til cena drops the title, he needs to turn heel hes just not over as a face, triple h will soon grow tiresome as a face but the diffrence beteen the 2 is that trips has the ability to reinvent himself, its why undertakers been so succesful and ppl dont complain when he becomes champion, even austin could reinvent himself, and the rock.. if cena wants to be a great champion he needs to make a change
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Care to elaborate why?, or do you just want to spam your little brain out, this is not a Bar/spam zone thread, this is a discussion thread, which means if your post doesn't add to the discussion than you should probably not post it in here, unless you want the mods to come around and give you and infraction or ban you, in other words why have you Cenanuff, why would you take Triple H or Cena anyday, please explain and add to the discussion, evenif it is the same reasons as everybody else(never ending title reign, boring matches, horrible promos, etc...)
"THE FIERCE ONE" MIKE W
Occasional Pre-Show
I liked when HHH was the champ, i would actually cheer for him to keep the belt, i was pissed when craptista won the belt especially since hes not even good enough to be a main eventer. i did the same thing with JBL, but then another wrestler of the same quality took his belt, i think a JBL vs HHH undisputed title unification match would have been good, heck even a champion vs champion match would have been good.
on another note, i have changed my views of HHH since then and now both personally don't like him(he has a hogan complex aka he politics and makes people look bad) and professionally (he has gotten stale with the same stupid immature stuff and how long does him bashing people with a sledgehammer and doing the same old stuff stay entertaining?) so i would rather see someone other than cena, HHH, as champ. (not orton) I think Kennedy would have been good but i think hes suspended, so then i think Booker deserves another run, just as long as hes not suspended too.
on another note, i have changed my views of HHH since then and now both personally don't like him(he has a hogan complex aka he politics and makes people look bad) and professionally (he has gotten stale with the same stupid immature stuff and how long does him bashing people with a sledgehammer and doing the same old stuff stay entertaining?) so i would rather see someone other than cena, HHH, as champ. (not orton) I think Kennedy would have been good but i think hes suspended, so then i think Booker deserves another run, just as long as hes not suspended too.
Mexican Geek
It's good to be back!
^^Listen to Justin, N00b (CYLONKILLER), or the man himself is going to e-kick your sorry e-ass 
Guys (and girls) Do you mind if we start to compare these two guys skills? let's say...Mic and comedian skills first: (as both skills are intimately tied)
HHH: Excellent Mic skills, the guy knows exactly how to conduct from an interview to an emotional speech, and his comedian skills are superb. One thing that helps is Triple H improvisation. come on, how many times he had something else planned, and he always add something, or changed something, the guy's a genius IMO. Triple H voice tone and timing helps to conduct to promo, and deliver the image properly to the fans live, and works great for TV production.
John Cena: I'll try to be objective here, but dont expect any miracle!lol!
I guess John Cena's mic skills are good too. We can't deny that one of the mandatory qualifications to be a top star, is precisely have a fluent way to speak to the people.
The problem with John Cena start with his comedian skills: When Cena is talking about how great he performed on yesterday PPV, he might start with the classic 15 to 20 seconds of silence (Triple H does that too...) then, we usually have two options:
-first, the slow, serious pace speech, like trying to add a sense of "greatness" to the victory, or maybe respecting the rival (ex: Lashley)
-or, the medium to fast pace, direct comedy speech, when he starts to mock the other guy, in order to get pops.
The body of the speech of John Cena is unpredictable, unless...he is making comedy, so we know exactly that he is going to try to ridiculize the other guy (the one with mr Kennedy, is an example of a bad comedy skit) leading to a mini brawl (Carlito, Umaga, Kennedy) or maybe doing the boring ass routine of "the champ is here".
Triple H's speech is more solid IMO, all three parts of the speech are perfectly delivered, and well, Triple H experience helps him a lot.
When they finish their promos, you can see exactly the difference of both speeches:
Cena most of the time, is going to finish with the champ is here, bla bla,etc, or maybe with if you want some, come get some, pretty much, a generic end.
Triple H will finish talking according to the actual storyline, again, Triple H improvisation skills makes the difference here.
Bottom line, both are good on the mic, but is a matter of who you cheer for, so...
Triple H is better than John Cena in the mic and doing comedy.
Guys (and girls) Do you mind if we start to compare these two guys skills? let's say...Mic and comedian skills first: (as both skills are intimately tied)
HHH: Excellent Mic skills, the guy knows exactly how to conduct from an interview to an emotional speech, and his comedian skills are superb. One thing that helps is Triple H improvisation. come on, how many times he had something else planned, and he always add something, or changed something, the guy's a genius IMO. Triple H voice tone and timing helps to conduct to promo, and deliver the image properly to the fans live, and works great for TV production.
John Cena: I'll try to be objective here, but dont expect any miracle!lol!
I guess John Cena's mic skills are good too. We can't deny that one of the mandatory qualifications to be a top star, is precisely have a fluent way to speak to the people.
The problem with John Cena start with his comedian skills: When Cena is talking about how great he performed on yesterday PPV, he might start with the classic 15 to 20 seconds of silence (Triple H does that too...) then, we usually have two options:
-first, the slow, serious pace speech, like trying to add a sense of "greatness" to the victory, or maybe respecting the rival (ex: Lashley)
-or, the medium to fast pace, direct comedy speech, when he starts to mock the other guy, in order to get pops.
The body of the speech of John Cena is unpredictable, unless...he is making comedy, so we know exactly that he is going to try to ridiculize the other guy (the one with mr Kennedy, is an example of a bad comedy skit) leading to a mini brawl (Carlito, Umaga, Kennedy) or maybe doing the boring ass routine of "the champ is here".
Triple H's speech is more solid IMO, all three parts of the speech are perfectly delivered, and well, Triple H experience helps him a lot.
When they finish their promos, you can see exactly the difference of both speeches:
Cena most of the time, is going to finish with the champ is here, bla bla,etc, or maybe with if you want some, come get some, pretty much, a generic end.
Triple H will finish talking according to the actual storyline, again, Triple H improvisation skills makes the difference here.
Bottom line, both are good on the mic, but is a matter of who you cheer for, so...
Triple H is better than John Cena in the mic and doing comedy.
"Its swings and roundabouts with this.
HHH was being hounded for saturating shows and holding the belt when he had it...the reason he had it?...because (apart from being the bosses son-in-law) he was the most marketable and the WWE had stock in him.
Its the same now with Cena, they have made a substancial investment in him and want to keep him at top level with the fans and with the media.
The only thing i can stake between the 2 is, ive liked all HHH's gimmicks, but Cena's persona i cant stand, and i cant see him playing anything else, i dont think he has the depth or capacity to do so.
So i go with HHH".
Can i ask why that was deleted from the thread?
HHH was being hounded for saturating shows and holding the belt when he had it...the reason he had it?...because (apart from being the bosses son-in-law) he was the most marketable and the WWE had stock in him.
Its the same now with Cena, they have made a substancial investment in him and want to keep him at top level with the fans and with the media.
The only thing i can stake between the 2 is, ive liked all HHH's gimmicks, but Cena's persona i cant stand, and i cant see him playing anything else, i dont think he has the depth or capacity to do so.
So i go with HHH".
Can i ask why that was deleted from the thread?
What a nasty question, Justin! Damn....
If forced to pick between these two guys I would have to choose John Cena as my preferred champion. Triple H is so stale that it makes me sick. I know, I know: Cena has been champion for almost a year straight. But Trips has been champion for what seems like the better part of 10 years. It's just really old to me and I'm over the Triple H / DX phenomenon. I think I would rather stomach a few more months of Champ Cena then see Vince put the belt back on Trips.
If forced to pick between these two guys I would have to choose John Cena as my preferred champion. Triple H is so stale that it makes me sick. I know, I know: Cena has been champion for almost a year straight. But Trips has been champion for what seems like the better part of 10 years. It's just really old to me and I'm over the Triple H / DX phenomenon. I think I would rather stomach a few more months of Champ Cena then see Vince put the belt back on Trips.
Basically it's like this, both these guys seem to dominate the Raw title seen, so my question for all of you is simple, who would you rather have as your WWE champion Triple H or Cena?, basically pick your poison
For me it's Triple H, In my mind he is far more entertaining, and at least when he dominated the title seen he wasn't holding the belt for a year at a time, he would actually drop the thing occasionally, Cena apparently does feel the need to do this, he would rather just hog the belt and have the entire WWE fan base turn against him, When a majority of the fans are booing you and your the face then your doing something wrong, Triple H was getting booed yes, however he was also a heel when getting booed, therefore doing his job, so basically I pick Triple H
BTW Thanks to whoever added the poll
you make it seem as though Cena is running the show. He probably does have input but believe me...if Vince, Stephanie, or HHH wanted that title off of him it would have already been off....you say he is "hogging" the title....he doesnt write the storylines.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
LOL!!!, Ah RVDgurl if you think this thread asks a nasty question you should go and check out AE's Pick Your Crap: Batista or Khali thread now that's a nasty question, and by the way your wrong(imo), as I've stated before Triple H is the better choice because he's not Cena for one, and Two he's far more entertaining, and let's not forget that Triple H would occasionally drop the belt, during his title reigns, so he wasn't constantly the champ over the course of the year, in the title picture yes but not always the champ, but your a chick so your obviously going to pick Cena
j/k
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docstrange5
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triple h better than cena hands down cena = bitch compared to D-generation-X
and Triple H wrestled longer more experience then cena and Triple H earned every fucking thing he has ever worked for. John Cena gets everything handed to him BY Triple H's Father in Law. And John Cena is a bitch
and Triple H wrestled longer more experience then cena and Triple H earned every fucking thing he has ever worked for. John Cena gets everything handed to him BY Triple H's Father in Law. And John Cena is a bitch
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toledou
Guest
everyone needs to get off of john cena because hes not the one making the choses that saw he should win every championship match that hes in. he just goes out there and put on a dame good show for all the fans. everyone is just pissed off with cena cuz hes had the belt for so long. everyone used to love him. as soon as he loses his championship and dosent get it back right away. rember when JBL had it for a while and was winning by cheating at least cena dosent cheat to win. also HHH has had the belt the 10 differnt time so what the fuck
With all the people claiming Triple H lost the belt occassionally and Cena never does, this would probably be a good time to remind people of New Year's Revolution and One Night Stand. What do they have in common? Well, they just happen to be the two times Cena dropped the belt, despite the claims that he never does.
And with that out the window, it's important to remember that Cena isn't holding the belt this long because he's sucking up to the boss and banging the boss's daughter/head writer, unlike Triple H. Cena is holding the belt this long because they have no choice. They've had a ton of bad luck with injuries that have left them with nobody else in the company (on any brand) worthy of holding the belt. If Triple H, HBK, Undertaker (because his injury forced them to move Edge to SD!), Edge, etc. stay healthy, Cena probably doesn't keep the belt for this long.
Besides, at least Cena's somewhat entertaining. Triple H gave the exact same promos and had the exact same matches over and over again. It was a nightmare, he single handedly made Raw unwatchable for over a year, and ruined the careers of several good wrestlers that had potential along the way. Cena's promos are always unique, sure he has his "if you want some" and "the champ is here" lines but name me one entertaining wrestler that DIDN'T have a signature line.
And yeah Triple H got booed, but it was X-Pac booing. They were booing him for the same reason some people boo Cena, they're sick of him. That's not good, even for a heel. The problem was he was in Vince's ear the whole time and made sure he didn't realize it. Like I said, that's not the case with Cena. At least his title reigns are legitimate.
And with that out the window, it's important to remember that Cena isn't holding the belt this long because he's sucking up to the boss and banging the boss's daughter/head writer, unlike Triple H. Cena is holding the belt this long because they have no choice. They've had a ton of bad luck with injuries that have left them with nobody else in the company (on any brand) worthy of holding the belt. If Triple H, HBK, Undertaker (because his injury forced them to move Edge to SD!), Edge, etc. stay healthy, Cena probably doesn't keep the belt for this long.
Besides, at least Cena's somewhat entertaining. Triple H gave the exact same promos and had the exact same matches over and over again. It was a nightmare, he single handedly made Raw unwatchable for over a year, and ruined the careers of several good wrestlers that had potential along the way. Cena's promos are always unique, sure he has his "if you want some" and "the champ is here" lines but name me one entertaining wrestler that DIDN'T have a signature line.
And yeah Triple H got booed, but it was X-Pac booing. They were booing him for the same reason some people boo Cena, they're sick of him. That's not good, even for a heel. The problem was he was in Vince's ear the whole time and made sure he didn't realize it. Like I said, that's not the case with Cena. At least his title reigns are legitimate.
But he is the one that has to deliver the match. He is the In-Ring performer. He usually fails to deliver without being carried.
His opponent you mean? 5 moves the whole match while being beat around and no selling doesn't cut it..
That also. And no I never have liked Cena. Not even from his rapper days.
You do know wrestling is worked right? HHH earned the belt 10 times because he is a top consistent performer/heel who drew well. JBL cheated to win because he was a heel. Cena is a superhero shit wrestler. There's a difference.
Hdog684
RVD & Edge both dropped the title within 1/2 months time. They were transitional champs. HHH dropped the belt to Beniot who got a 5 month reign. Then Orton who had a 1 month reign then Batista at WM and has yet to win since and that was just during his run with Evolution.
Sorry but it's still in the house.
Hmmm. Same reports that said Cena was Vinnie Mac's pet
RKO,Edge(was),Booker(was),Lashley(was),Kennedy(was),HHH(will be). That it enough.
When? During his immature childish comedies? During his repeated "Never Back Down" routines?
Cena does as well.
Wrong. Evolution as a team was a great storyline.
Shelton,RKO,Eugene,Batista,Beniot,Cena etc...
Uh...Yeah it is. He is a heel. That is what heels do is draw heel heat. Cena is the super babyface character of the company...When he is getting booed is when it is not good.
HAHAHAHA... How would you know? Do you sit in the meetings?
Triple H is and always will be the better entertainer/wrestler than John Cena. It's obvious and quite simple to understand.
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