The {Original} Wrestlezone Tournament
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OverniteCelebrityLM
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I think you should keep it also. I don't think it's to gimmicky. It could work with more than just Kane. It's up to you though. I can't think of anymore matches off the top of my head. If I come up with one I'll let you know. On to my first ever time doing predictions.
Harley Race vs. Dusty Rhodes vs. The British Bulldog - I'm going with a sort of upset here. I like Dusty Rhodes and I think he'd let Harley and Bulldog fight it out and once they're tired out, go in for the kill.
Raven vs. Jeff Hardy - This is Raven's element. If all the matches were like this one, I'd pick Raven in a heartbeat against just about anyone. I wish I could see this House O' Fun lol.
John Cena vs. Owen Hart - Owen Hart would carry this match and I've never liked John Cena and I don't think he's in the same league as Owen Hart. Owen Hart would use his technical ability to kill Cena and make it so he couldn't get up to the 10 count.
Kane vs. Dustin Rhodes - With Kane's hands tied behind his back, there's no way he'll win. Even with them un-tied I still think it'd be a close match and call me crazy but I'd still give it slightly to Rhodes. I always loved his Golddust persona so I'm a little biased.
Shane Douglas vs. Christopher Daniels - I went with Douglas on this. Need I say more?
Tazz vs. Rhino - Tazz has that great submission to use in this submission match and has Rhino ever had a submission move? I'm going with Tazz.
Shawn Michaels vs. Ron Simmons - Damn! I'm going with HBK. He's one of my favorite wrestlers and I think he's still one of the best. He can hit that sweet chin music at any time and if anyone knows ladder matches it's him.
Kevin Nash vs. Lance Storm - How did Storm get this far? lol..jk I gotta go with Nash give him a powerbomb through the table to go on and have another great match against HBK.
Harley Race vs. Dusty Rhodes vs. The British Bulldog - I'm going with a sort of upset here. I like Dusty Rhodes and I think he'd let Harley and Bulldog fight it out and once they're tired out, go in for the kill.
Raven vs. Jeff Hardy - This is Raven's element. If all the matches were like this one, I'd pick Raven in a heartbeat against just about anyone. I wish I could see this House O' Fun lol.
John Cena vs. Owen Hart - Owen Hart would carry this match and I've never liked John Cena and I don't think he's in the same league as Owen Hart. Owen Hart would use his technical ability to kill Cena and make it so he couldn't get up to the 10 count.
Kane vs. Dustin Rhodes - With Kane's hands tied behind his back, there's no way he'll win. Even with them un-tied I still think it'd be a close match and call me crazy but I'd still give it slightly to Rhodes. I always loved his Golddust persona so I'm a little biased.
Shane Douglas vs. Christopher Daniels - I went with Douglas on this. Need I say more?
Tazz vs. Rhino - Tazz has that great submission to use in this submission match and has Rhino ever had a submission move? I'm going with Tazz.
Shawn Michaels vs. Ron Simmons - Damn! I'm going with HBK. He's one of my favorite wrestlers and I think he's still one of the best. He can hit that sweet chin music at any time and if anyone knows ladder matches it's him.
Kevin Nash vs. Lance Storm - How did Storm get this far? lol..jk I gotta go with Nash give him a powerbomb through the table to go on and have another great match against HBK.
jokeboy624
Pre-Show Stalwart
Alright, I know that we decided that this wasn't a John Cena thread and quite frankly, he's not one of my favorites nor do I hate him, just indifferent...I digress, my point is this, does anyone besides me remember John Cena's first match in the WWE? It was against Kurt Angle (My favorite active wrestler) in a one of Angle's "Open Challenges". Cena came out pre-gimick, just in his neon shorts (Very thug-like) and put on one hell of a match...I've been watching wrestling since I could understand what is was I was watching and Cena CAN wrestle. It's not the current style, I'll admit, but if Cena were around in the '80's he'd fit right in, and maybe look cutting edge at that...
I know there's a ladder match, but was a Singles TLC match mentioned to replace the Inferno Match?
I know there's a ladder match, but was a Singles TLC match mentioned to replace the Inferno Match?
jokeboy624
Pre-Show Stalwart
Hey!!! The best match in all of history is missing! WHERE'S THE HELL IN THE CELL? Scratch the TLC match and put that one in...
Jokeboy,
Ultimate X, Monster's Ball, Hell in the Cell, TLC, Three Tiered Cage, 60 Minute Iron Man Match, Scaffold Match, and Barbed Wire match are all reserved for Round 5. These matches are the ones that are the "Big" Gimmick matches, so they are sitting there waiting for the end of these rounds.
Ultimate X, Monster's Ball, Hell in the Cell, TLC, Three Tiered Cage, 60 Minute Iron Man Match, Scaffold Match, and Barbed Wire match are all reserved for Round 5. These matches are the ones that are the "Big" Gimmick matches, so they are sitting there waiting for the end of these rounds.
jokeboy624
Pre-Show Stalwart
Got it, thanks, I must not have read that post very carefully, then I say "Cow Bell match"...Boys, I know we are going to want the cow bell
Hey Shockmaster, what do ya say we get rid of the damn scaffold match? It's totally worthless, shows nothing of who the better wrestler is, and is without a doubt the worst thought of match in history of wrestling. You can barely get away with three moves on top of the scaffold, it's just an excuse to throw someone through some tables.
And to the Cena - Owen thing again, I say, sure, maybe Cena put on some great match that it seems only that one guy saw against Angle (i'm still doubting it) but compare Cena's best to Owen Hart's worse, and you've still got Hart as the victor. I seriously don't want to believe that there are this many stupid people on this board, but the numbers keep coming in against me. I don't care if Cena has been in two or three last man standing matches, have you ever seen Owen vs. Bret inside the cage at Summerslam? God damnit, go watch this link, and try, JUST TRY ANY OF YOU to argue that Cena would win a match against him.
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart Steel Cage Match, Summerslam 1994
And to the Cena - Owen thing again, I say, sure, maybe Cena put on some great match that it seems only that one guy saw against Angle (i'm still doubting it) but compare Cena's best to Owen Hart's worse, and you've still got Hart as the victor. I seriously don't want to believe that there are this many stupid people on this board, but the numbers keep coming in against me. I don't care if Cena has been in two or three last man standing matches, have you ever seen Owen vs. Bret inside the cage at Summerslam? God damnit, go watch this link, and try, JUST TRY ANY OF YOU to argue that Cena would win a match against him.
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart Steel Cage Match, Summerslam 1994
Fear, I'm having trouble trying to figure out another match for the ECW Region though. That's all that I could come up with besides Taipei Death Matches or Stairway to Hell. If I'm missing an ECW Staple match, then let me know. I'm not a big fan of scaffold matches myself, but is their anything "Extreme" to replace it?
michiganj24
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You know what would be funny would be Hogan versus show in Ultimate X that would be the worst match ever and would only end when the fans storm the ring beat both wrestlers up while chanting you guys suck.
Ultimate X is going to just suck of rthos guys who dont have the arm strength and the small size to get there
As far as any other extrem matches there are one sthat arent necessrily ECW matches but you could do a piranha tank match, exploding ring match, electified cage match, or something like what that thankfully defunct XPW had once called House of Horrors
house of horrors match. (The match involved the ropes being wrapped in barbwire, the mat covered in thumbtacks, a pit of insulation and a pool of rubbing alcohol outside the ring. Plus there were 2 tables with 50 light tubes on each and 100 light tubes hanging from the rafters down into the ring
seriously how does someone actually think this stuff upbut it dont get much more extreme than that
also found this
Desert death match
The ring is surrounded by cactus. A tank of scorpions is placed in the middle of the ring. The match is won by holding the head of a wrestler in the scorpion tank for ten seconds.
Ultimate X is going to just suck of rthos guys who dont have the arm strength and the small size to get there
As far as any other extrem matches there are one sthat arent necessrily ECW matches but you could do a piranha tank match, exploding ring match, electified cage match, or something like what that thankfully defunct XPW had once called House of Horrors
house of horrors match. (The match involved the ropes being wrapped in barbwire, the mat covered in thumbtacks, a pit of insulation and a pool of rubbing alcohol outside the ring. Plus there were 2 tables with 50 light tubes on each and 100 light tubes hanging from the rafters down into the ring
seriously how does someone actually think this stuff upbut it dont get much more extreme than that
also found this
Desert death match
The ring is surrounded by cactus. A tank of scorpions is placed in the middle of the ring. The match is won by holding the head of a wrestler in the scorpion tank for ten seconds.
i was just thinking for a random match
Elevation X (TNA),
Punjabi Prison Match (WWE),
Last Right's Match (TNA),
A plain Hardcore match,
Lumberjack Match,
Falls Count Anywhere Match,
Barbed Wire Match,
Taipei Death Match
just to name a few, hope it helps, by the way, props to The Shockmaster.
Elevation X (TNA),
Punjabi Prison Match (WWE),
Last Right's Match (TNA),
A plain Hardcore match,
Lumberjack Match,
Falls Count Anywhere Match,
Barbed Wire Match,
Taipei Death Match
just to name a few, hope it helps, by the way, props to The Shockmaster.
I forgot how shitty they made the cages back then, lol.
And that Bret promo was horrendous, you can tell that he was ad libbing.
Nevertheless, it's a great match. But still, you can't go around calling people iidiots because they like John Cena. I can understand why a lot of people can legitimately like him, and I'm one of those people. I think he tells a great story in the ring, he can cut a great promo, he brings a lot of energy to his matches and he plays the underdog role almost to perfection, and he's still young.
If the Cena character was around in the late 80s, I doubt you'd have this big of a problem with him. That's the style that he wrestles, the Hogan style if you will, and these days, having seen all this X-division Cirque du Soleil stuff people don't want to see good storytelling wrestling, they want to see spotfests.
Clearly Owen is the better wrestler, but you can't deny that Cena is a better brawler. I think you're letting your hatred for Cena get in the way of your better judgment. You just don't want to see him in the next round, and you're iignoring whether or not he'd be able to win this match, and he would, that's the truth.
Well, we are all entitled to our opinion, and unfortunately I still see Owen as the better brawler and wrestler. And you're just assuming automatically that because its a Last Man Standing that it'll be a brawl, but there have been plenty of technical scientific match ups under last man standing rules (also called a Death Match around the world, same concept except you
gotta pin 'em before you count em out. Look at some old ECW death matches, example: Rey Mysterio vs. Psicosis Mexican Death Match (I believe it's on one of the WWE's ECW DVDs) and you'll see brawling is not always the name of the game.
Anyway, this whole tournament is about opinion, and mine is that Cena wouldn't stand a chance in any kind of match unless it was some sort of contest that limited the wrestlers to five moves. Then, maybe he could win, maybe. Guy's a chump, I have no sympathy for him, he needs to get out of the game now before he kills it.
jokeboy624
Pre-Show Stalwart
Well Fear, as I said before, I don't care one way or another about John Cena, but I wasn't able to find actual video of the match but if you search Google for Cena, Angle and 2002 you'll find the match breakdown.
I think WWE had an Extreme Hell in the Cell, that could work for ECW rules...I mean look what Mick Foley did in the Hell in the Cell with just thumb tacks.
I think WWE had an Extreme Hell in the Cell, that could work for ECW rules...I mean look what Mick Foley did in the Hell in the Cell with just thumb tacks.
The only reason you're saying Cena doesn't stand a chance is because you hate him. In an actual wrestling match that wouldn't happen. Just like I hate RVD but I know that he probably wouldn't be dominated by mostly anyone in this tournament.
It's different when you're talking abot newer guys like Khali or whatever, I can understand why you would want them out right away, but Cena's established himself as a perennial main eventer and a champion, he wouldn't be dominated by Owen Hart.
And it's possible that it could turn ino a technical match... but it won't. The match you mentioned, both competitors were technicians/high flyers. Cena's a brawler, Hart is part technician/part brawler. So I think that match would be a brawl, there's no reason for it to turn into a technical match.
Like I said, the only reason you believe Cena should be dominated is because you hate him, the simple truth is that he's established himself as a main eventer and that just wouldn't happen in a legitimate match.
It's different when you're talking abot newer guys like Khali or whatever, I can understand why you would want them out right away, but Cena's established himself as a perennial main eventer and a champion, he wouldn't be dominated by Owen Hart.
And it's possible that it could turn ino a technical match... but it won't. The match you mentioned, both competitors were technicians/high flyers. Cena's a brawler, Hart is part technician/part brawler. So I think that match would be a brawl, there's no reason for it to turn into a technical match.
Like I said, the only reason you believe Cena should be dominated is because you hate him, the simple truth is that he's established himself as a main eventer and that just wouldn't happen in a legitimate match.
Dude, what the fuck, am I the only sane person here? Are you seriously telling me that Cena has earned his spot as main eventer and champion? SERIOUSLY ARE YOU REALLY SAYING THAT OUT LOUD? You may want to think about that one again, as it may just be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Every Cena match I've ever seen has been the same old crap from his debut to last time he had a match on Raw. The guy may have been pushed to the main event status by Vince, but that sure as fuck doesn't mean that he earned that spot. The guy shows no wrestling skill, he's clumsy as hell in the ring and every move he does just looks sloppy as shit. If you're really trying to say that realistically Cena would beat Owen, sure, realistically that makes sense in the current WWE picture because of Cena's position in the company, but this tournament isn't about reality. It's a fantasy tournament, and you should realize that as soon as we start talking about Cena facing a dead guy. This is a fantasy tournament, and obviously you base it on reality, but the fact is you were able to see Owen in the top spot. So you can't say Cena takes this one easily.
Honestly, I've lost all respect for anybody that comes in here and tries to tell me that Cena is the better wrestler, because that's what this tournament is about, WRESTLING. Oh and are you insane in saying that Mysterio and Psicosis are techincal wrestlers?! Their lucha libre trained, thru and thru, and if you've ever seen either of them wrestle you should know that.
This isn't a street fight, it's a wrestling match, no matter what the stips in any of these matches, thats the bottom line: It's a wrestling match. The winner should be the better wrestler. And Cena, is NOT the better wrestler of the two.
Sure, I hate Cena and that does blind me a bit, but guess what I voted for him in the first two rounds, because he was a better wrestler than his two opponents (damn thats hard to say). This time, he is not.
Don't vote based on how Vince sees the worth of wrestlers, vote on who the better wrestler is.
Every Cena match I've ever seen has been the same old crap from his debut to last time he had a match on Raw. The guy may have been pushed to the main event status by Vince, but that sure as fuck doesn't mean that he earned that spot. The guy shows no wrestling skill, he's clumsy as hell in the ring and every move he does just looks sloppy as shit. If you're really trying to say that realistically Cena would beat Owen, sure, realistically that makes sense in the current WWE picture because of Cena's position in the company, but this tournament isn't about reality. It's a fantasy tournament, and you should realize that as soon as we start talking about Cena facing a dead guy. This is a fantasy tournament, and obviously you base it on reality, but the fact is you were able to see Owen in the top spot. So you can't say Cena takes this one easily.
Honestly, I've lost all respect for anybody that comes in here and tries to tell me that Cena is the better wrestler, because that's what this tournament is about, WRESTLING. Oh and are you insane in saying that Mysterio and Psicosis are techincal wrestlers?! Their lucha libre trained, thru and thru, and if you've ever seen either of them wrestle you should know that.
This isn't a street fight, it's a wrestling match, no matter what the stips in any of these matches, thats the bottom line: It's a wrestling match. The winner should be the better wrestler. And Cena, is NOT the better wrestler of the two.
Sure, I hate Cena and that does blind me a bit, but guess what I voted for him in the first two rounds, because he was a better wrestler than his two opponents (damn thats hard to say). This time, he is not.
Don't vote based on how Vince sees the worth of wrestlers, vote on who the better wrestler is.
But that's just the thing. The stipulations should matter, or you're just disrespecting the tournament. I'm not siding with Cena, but wrestling hell have me welcomed, i voted for the man. The stipulations do matter. If this round wasn't stips, if it was just one-on-one, i wouldn't hesitate to put money on Owen getting 100%. Cena is an ass-kicker, and LMS is an ass-kicker's match. And that was my
.Here's Bob with his sports update,
Tension rises in anticipation of the match which could rip apart this forum for good. If Cena wins, half of the voters riot. If Owen wins, the other half go on strike. And also, a preliminary look at the argument which will break out in the aftermath of this (as if we needed another argument), Hulk Hogan vs AJ Styles. Actual talent or the most over-pushed superstar until John Cena turned up. I suppose the Wheel may decide for them. A ladder match would see AJ through to the 5th round, whereas 1-on-1 may give Hogan the edge. Oh, and of course, you guessed it, WWE desperatly tries to force the second raters down our throats, Smackdown will appear on every pay-per-view. God help us all.
xfearbefore,
I am totally with you on the Cena thing. I know Owen will probably not win that match and I think it's a travesty. People in here are talking like Cena's this big badass brawler? Come on. I'm tired of the whole gimmick, from being a rapper to being a fucking marine, I'm just tired of it. I'm not a big Shawn Michaels guy but the company will be better if the belt is on him.
I am totally with you on the Cena thing. I know Owen will probably not win that match and I think it's a travesty. People in here are talking like Cena's this big badass brawler? Come on. I'm tired of the whole gimmick, from being a rapper to being a fucking marine, I'm just tired of it. I'm not a big Shawn Michaels guy but the company will be better if the belt is on him.
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BaldwinBaller08
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yeah this is all you see anymore on these posts. You know what not everyone loved the Rock as they did before he was in his prime. Cena is definitley not in his prime yet and if you think his prime has gone and past then sorry Cena-haters he has nowhere else to go but up. Losing the belt hes had for quite awhile? That doesn't matter in the least... it will only give him more storylines other than trying to defend that belt. Like I said the Rock has gone and now everyone would give an arm and a leg to see him come back. Well if Cena loses I would love to see what people would do...I could see it now... "Thank god that pussy is gone." "Finally I hate that fuckin exscuse for a wrestler!"... I honestly think if he were to leave you all would love it for awhile. And you all would get bored of the other B list wrestlers, andthe other true main eventers can only do so much for you guys. Hes clumbsy in the ring? Like any of you have a fucking clue what it would be like in front of thousands upon thousands of people. These guys entertain and thats their job. Hell when I hear those horns sounding off just before he comes out it gives me chills just like when the glass breaks or when you hear a little "IF YA SMELLLLLLLL!!" Hell I voted for Cena... twice! I love Owen Hart he was great and one hell of a wrestler he was. Yeah your all tired of John Cenas marine bad-ass attitude??? Well lets see anyone in a last man standing match with him that is not fixed for entertainment. Cena seems to have the heart the size of a football field. You don't need 20 moves just to please your dumb asses. Hes a fucking entertainer get off of his dick and let him entertain... And while hes at it win this damn tournament just to piss you haters off
Don't listen to a god damn thing BaldwinBaller or whoever posted above me, there are so many flaws in his logic it's ridiculious.
First of all, no not everyone loved the Rock when he first came around, but just about everybody who had half a brain could see that he was a talented wrestler, even in his first televised matches. When he became the heel, which you seem to have forgotten he was for about two or three years there, he was the most hated guy in the company. But everybody still respected his moves, his work in the ring, and the quality matches he produced. Look at Rock v. Mankind I Quit, Rock v. HHH Ladder, Rock v. Mankind Empty Arena, Rock v. Mankind Ladder, Rock v. Stone Cold every time I mean he showed that he was one of the most talented guys there even though everyone hated him. John Cena is the mega face right now, and any wrestling fan with half a brain knows that he sucks not for being a face or a heel or whether or not people like him, it's because his match quality is absolute drivel. For Cena to go up as you say, wouldn't he have to have shown some sort of improvement over the last couple years? No, same quality of matches.
The reason why everybody wants the Rock back, like I said, was that he was TALENTED. He entertained the crowd like nobody else, and to even compare Cena's pop to the one Rock used to get it fucking stupid. The only people to ever get a bigger pop than the Rock were Austin and Hogan. People want him back cause he left at the top of his game, and still has so much potential left in him. If Cena were to leave right now, I guarantee you the only people that would care would be the Cena lovers(mostly kids, women, and ******ed people) and even they wouldn't care that much, cause the guy is bland and has no talent. I wait anxiously for the day Cena quits, because then wrestling will be better off atleast in a small tiny bit, because that piece of shit isn't stinking up the rings anymore. He stinks it up worse than Hogan in his late WCW days, I'd rather pay to see Hogan and Ultimate Warrior go at it in the worst match of all time from a few years ago than watch another Cena main event. Get bored of the B-List wrestlers? I've always watched and loved the supposed "B-List" wrestlers because often times they are way more talented than your A-List duds like Hogan, Warrior, Batista, Cena, etc. If AJ Styles, Rob Van Dam, Fit Finlay, Sabu, and Christopher Daniels are the b list, than what the fuck is wrong with the a list?
On the clumsy argument, guess what guy, I'm not a wrestler nor do I claim to be. I didn't train (did Cena even train?) and work professionally as a wrestler, like Cena is. That doesn't excuse the fact that he's clumsier in the ring than a midget match or what is somehow called womens wrestling on Raw these days. I can think of probably atleast three hundred wrestlers who look better in the ring than Cena, and that is not an overexaggeration.
And all this about Cena has a heart the size of a football field, whoopdy f'n doo what the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with wrestling? First of all you're judging his heart by what the WWE gimmick of his has shoved down our throats. How do you know in private John Cena doesn't enjoy kiddy porn? Do you know anything at all about this guys life? No, you're basing an opinion off of a cut and dry personality presented on TV. Same thing with a guy like Lashley, oh wow you had it tough as a kid and yet you persevered and look where you are now, how touching, why should I give a fuck?
I'm sick of making this argument, so this is my last post about Cena for a long time. If you can't see the truth on this one than you're just too brainwashed by Vinny Mac's creative team.
First of all, no not everyone loved the Rock when he first came around, but just about everybody who had half a brain could see that he was a talented wrestler, even in his first televised matches. When he became the heel, which you seem to have forgotten he was for about two or three years there, he was the most hated guy in the company. But everybody still respected his moves, his work in the ring, and the quality matches he produced. Look at Rock v. Mankind I Quit, Rock v. HHH Ladder, Rock v. Mankind Empty Arena, Rock v. Mankind Ladder, Rock v. Stone Cold every time I mean he showed that he was one of the most talented guys there even though everyone hated him. John Cena is the mega face right now, and any wrestling fan with half a brain knows that he sucks not for being a face or a heel or whether or not people like him, it's because his match quality is absolute drivel. For Cena to go up as you say, wouldn't he have to have shown some sort of improvement over the last couple years? No, same quality of matches.
The reason why everybody wants the Rock back, like I said, was that he was TALENTED. He entertained the crowd like nobody else, and to even compare Cena's pop to the one Rock used to get it fucking stupid. The only people to ever get a bigger pop than the Rock were Austin and Hogan. People want him back cause he left at the top of his game, and still has so much potential left in him. If Cena were to leave right now, I guarantee you the only people that would care would be the Cena lovers(mostly kids, women, and ******ed people) and even they wouldn't care that much, cause the guy is bland and has no talent. I wait anxiously for the day Cena quits, because then wrestling will be better off atleast in a small tiny bit, because that piece of shit isn't stinking up the rings anymore. He stinks it up worse than Hogan in his late WCW days, I'd rather pay to see Hogan and Ultimate Warrior go at it in the worst match of all time from a few years ago than watch another Cena main event. Get bored of the B-List wrestlers? I've always watched and loved the supposed "B-List" wrestlers because often times they are way more talented than your A-List duds like Hogan, Warrior, Batista, Cena, etc. If AJ Styles, Rob Van Dam, Fit Finlay, Sabu, and Christopher Daniels are the b list, than what the fuck is wrong with the a list?
On the clumsy argument, guess what guy, I'm not a wrestler nor do I claim to be. I didn't train (did Cena even train?) and work professionally as a wrestler, like Cena is. That doesn't excuse the fact that he's clumsier in the ring than a midget match or what is somehow called womens wrestling on Raw these days. I can think of probably atleast three hundred wrestlers who look better in the ring than Cena, and that is not an overexaggeration.
And all this about Cena has a heart the size of a football field, whoopdy f'n doo what the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with wrestling? First of all you're judging his heart by what the WWE gimmick of his has shoved down our throats. How do you know in private John Cena doesn't enjoy kiddy porn? Do you know anything at all about this guys life? No, you're basing an opinion off of a cut and dry personality presented on TV. Same thing with a guy like Lashley, oh wow you had it tough as a kid and yet you persevered and look where you are now, how touching, why should I give a fuck?
I'm sick of making this argument, so this is my last post about Cena for a long time. If you can't see the truth on this one than you're just too brainwashed by Vinny Mac's creative team.
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Sexy Beast
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Has this turned into a i hate cena thread or is it still the wrestlezone tournament
Just to put my two cents on the Cena thing, but I would encourage you guys to let it go before the moderators jump on this. There are thousands of threads about John Cena in these forums, so that's a suggestion to continue the debate.
Anyways, you can't compare the Rock to Cena in anyway, shape, or form. X said it best, everyone realized that the Rock had tons of talent, he was just one of those misfortunate guys that everyone loved to hate at first. The rock came on strong in 96, but faded because his promos were weak as hell, because he was a smiling happy person. Once he turned heel and was allowed to be himself, it was on from there.
My personal opinion on Cena, I've stopped watching Raw since September Live because that belt is meaningless while he holds it. I respect and understand epecially Prax's statement that if Cena was around 15 years ago, he would be the most popular guy on the roster. I get that, but this is 2007 not 1989. The WWE is trying to recreate a Hulk Hogan character. Hogan gets over with the 25+ year olds because he was our childhood hero. We didn't care about wrestling moves back then, he was larger than life. Hogan can't wrestle worth a damn, but guess what, he's Hulk Freakin Hogan, he gets that pass, not a John Cena. Cena is an embarassment to the industry, that's just my opinion, we can argue about it all day, but it won't change anybodies minds.
Now onto the subject at hand, Cena v. Owen Hart in a match with no rules pretty much. Owen without a doubt will out wrestle Cena in every way imaginable. If this were a regular match, Owen would probably have Cena tapping in 5 different languages. But this is a violent matchup, in an extreme environment. For some reason I always go back to a match back in 04 at Armageddon when Cena fought Jesus, and Cena just put some absolutly Viscous stiff kicks to the side of Jesus' head. I just think that this match suits Cena as much as I can't stand the man. When I hear his music, I don't get excited, I get the fastforward to the TiVo, and hit buttons.
Regardless of what happens, neither of these two are going to win this whole thing, so i'm not going to be upset with the outcome.
i remember watching that Hart v. Hart Steel Cage Match on ppv, and remembered I was suprised it wasn't the main event of the night. It took forever to hook the cage up that night, so I was in a pretty foul mood watching that match.
Anyways, you can't compare the Rock to Cena in anyway, shape, or form. X said it best, everyone realized that the Rock had tons of talent, he was just one of those misfortunate guys that everyone loved to hate at first. The rock came on strong in 96, but faded because his promos were weak as hell, because he was a smiling happy person. Once he turned heel and was allowed to be himself, it was on from there.
My personal opinion on Cena, I've stopped watching Raw since September Live because that belt is meaningless while he holds it. I respect and understand epecially Prax's statement that if Cena was around 15 years ago, he would be the most popular guy on the roster. I get that, but this is 2007 not 1989. The WWE is trying to recreate a Hulk Hogan character. Hogan gets over with the 25+ year olds because he was our childhood hero. We didn't care about wrestling moves back then, he was larger than life. Hogan can't wrestle worth a damn, but guess what, he's Hulk Freakin Hogan, he gets that pass, not a John Cena. Cena is an embarassment to the industry, that's just my opinion, we can argue about it all day, but it won't change anybodies minds.
Now onto the subject at hand, Cena v. Owen Hart in a match with no rules pretty much. Owen without a doubt will out wrestle Cena in every way imaginable. If this were a regular match, Owen would probably have Cena tapping in 5 different languages. But this is a violent matchup, in an extreme environment. For some reason I always go back to a match back in 04 at Armageddon when Cena fought Jesus, and Cena just put some absolutly Viscous stiff kicks to the side of Jesus' head. I just think that this match suits Cena as much as I can't stand the man. When I hear his music, I don't get excited, I get the fastforward to the TiVo, and hit buttons.
Regardless of what happens, neither of these two are going to win this whole thing, so i'm not going to be upset with the outcome.
i remember watching that Hart v. Hart Steel Cage Match on ppv, and remembered I was suprised it wasn't the main event of the night. It took forever to hook the cage up that night, so I was in a pretty foul mood watching that match.
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