*MERGED* [OFFICIAL] The Nexus General Discussion thread

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Oh you mean like the numerous encounters both promo, beat-down and match wise they've been saving?

I feel like singles matches have much more importance than multi-man matches. They really expose wrestlers for what they are.

Wade and John have had more in-ring encounters than anybody in the WWE roster have had encounters with anybody in the last 3 months time period.

There's some guys in the SD mid-card that would prolly say otherwise. It seems like every week there is a variation of Kofi vs Drew vs Ziggles.

Wade have been a part of beating down John, cutting promos towards him, as well as having had matches with him two or three times (One as the replacement for Jericho against John in the beat the clock I believe it was as well as Summerslam, I'm in doubt about a 3rd encounter).

That kind of stuff just builds to the match. Wade wasn't really established when he first faced Cena. My how 4-5 months can change one's perception about someone. People want to see Wade get his British bum kicked.. And Cena is still the number one 'traditional' babyface. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Ferbian]

I feel like singles matches have much more importance than multi-man matches. They really expose wrestlers for what they are.

Tag team matches can do the very same thing. Besides we already know how Wade is in the ring, because he had numerous singles matches. A John Cena vs Wade Barrett match won't change that.

There's some guys in the SD mid-card that would prolly say otherwise. It seems like every week there is a variation of Kofi vs Drew vs Ziggles.

They haven't encountered each other pretty much any episode the past 3 months. John Cena and Wade Barrett have had some kind of encounter for the past 2-3 months constantly.

That kind of stuff just builds to the match. Wade wasn't really established when he first faced Cena. My how 4-5 months can change one's perception about someone. People want to see Wade get his British bum kicked.. And Cena is still the number one 'traditional' babyface. Makes perfect sense to me.

Sure it builds to the match. However that doesn't mean that they haven't encountered, and the fact that Randy Orton vs John Cena makes much more sense to happen next week. Not because of a future possible Pay Per View Match, but because it just makes sense.

Wade can get his ass kicked by others as well. But that doesn't mean that John Cena vs Wade Barrett needs to happen any time soon, or for that sake at a Pay Per View. The pairing of the two is barely even any special, at least not anymore. Eventually there'll be much much more special match-pairings between Wade and someone else. Triple H vs Wade Barrett for one is a match I'd mark out for.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Woah. I am just not seeing how Barrett vs Cena isn't a big deal. It has been established that Nexus is the hottest thing on Raw, and who is the leader and obviously the best guy? Wade Barrett. Who has Nexus constantly targeted? John Cena.

Unless you get the feeling that Nexus is losing momentum as a group, which I understand. If that is the case, they really need to cook while the stove is hot.

 

[grantser10]

i don't mind the nexus but what has bored me is the same generic attack we've seen from them over recent months. now excluding backstage assaults we've witnessed the same generic attack on many people like supercena, steamboat, mcmahon, etc and that is a general beat down and then a clothesline, wade barrets awful finisher and then a 450 splash from gabriel. this kinda bored me seein the same attack on a new person every week. now regards to the members of nexus i only like barret, gabriel and maybe slater. tarver i can't take seriously as i find he is a ridiculous man. otunga is a *** and again looks ridiculous and darren young was no addition and was obviously the weak link and sheffield is the worst so called powerhouse i've ever seen. also they keep referring to the nexus as the most dominant force in wwe history and the biggest threat but in terms of storyline wouldn't the alliance have been since they had a full organisation, more than seven people and a chance to put the wwe out of business. also i keep thinking to myself every week that god for bid a group of wwe pros would be able to put a group of rookies in their place. and at summerslam i thought it got worse when wwe pros were eliminated with very basic moves. i mean slater eliminated jericho with a basic neckbreaker, r-truth and jomo were eliminated with basic clotheslines and brett hart was an idiot gettin dq'd against them. the only team wwe members that were eliminated with any dignity were edge because a roll up can catch you out of nowhere and daniel bryan had to be attacked from behind. i don't mind nexus but i think its gettin a little stale at the moment unless barret wins the championship but i'm pullin for edge even though he won't win either unfortunatley. if they recruit more rookies from nxt 2 it will get interestin again as the group will at least expand and there will be more than 5 and i think alex reilly deserves his spot. i think he'll be a great heel. i've actually never seen him wrestle because i don't watch nxt but from what i've seen of him on raw i think he could be good in the future.

 

[Ferbian]

Woah. I am just not seeing how Barrett vs Cena isn't a big deal. It has been established that Nexus is the hottest thing on Raw, and who is the leader and obviously the best guy? Wade Barrett. Who has Nexus constantly targeted? John Cena.

And who have they constantly been beating down, already had a match with, as well as been defeated by? The big deal was the 7 on 7 match. Not a singles match. John Cena vs Wade Barrett seems rather "meh" to me right now, after a longer rather dragged out match.

There's quite a bunch of people that Wade would have a better and bigger potential match with right now than John Cena. Not because John isn't great at having good and big matches. But because their encounters have been seen before.

Unless you get the feeling that Nexus is losing momentum as a group, which I understand. If that is the case, they really need to cook while the stove is hot.

Of course they're not loosing momentum. They're still keeping a firm momentum on a weekly basic. Not the kind of momentum from their first appearance as a faction, but from the general fact that they're dominating, as well as appearing on every episode.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Ferbian, If I could get involved in your "debate", I would really want to put in my two cents in.

Now I know it is safe to assume that the NEXUS storyline has clearly been one of the best in recent history. After a boring number amount of feuds (with a few exceptions), WWE has finally been brought back to its "peak" of creativity for main event feuds. If I recall, the last fued, besides this current one, that was really intriuging (to me) was the Triple H and Randy Orton feud leading up to Wrestlemania 25. The build up was very well done.

And who have they constantly been beating down, already had a match with, as well as been defeated by? The big deal was the 7 on 7 match. Not a singles match. John Cena vs Wade Barrett seems rather "meh" to me right now, after a longer rather dragged out match.

While it is true that the "BIG" match was at Summerslam, there was never a conclusion. The constant beating, interfearence etc was all pointing towards the NEXUS establishing itself as a "POWERFUL" entity. Now, John Cena's job was to stop them. John Cena took the role of a superhero and did everything he could to stop the NEXUS. He tried handling them on his own. He tried reasoning with them. It did not work. He then assembles a team to take them down...and it works (-ish). The thing though, its that NEXUS still managed to retain its "credibility" as one ofthe fearcest. In other words, the fued between Cena and Wade (w/ NEXUS) has not had a proper conclusion.

There's quite a bunch of people that Wade would have a better and bigger potential match with right now than John Cena. Not because John isn't great at having good and big matches. But because their encounters have been seen before

This is true. Their encounters have been seen before, but never in a quality one on one match. Team vs. Team matches are alway fun to watch and are very credible. But a one on one match always defines and concludes "the bigger picture". Regarding Wade being able to feud with others, I agree. Though that should happen with time. The main objective at the momment (in my opinion) is to have Cena and Wade finish off their feud.

Therefore, I must say that a match between John Cena and Wade Barret is still very much needed. Of course, it is probably not going to happen right away, but every thing has to have an end, and when the end of NEXUS comes, it should end with one final showdown between the leader (Wade) and the "hero" who tried to take down the NEXUS from the very beginning (Cena). John Cena vs. Wade Barret is the "perfect" conclusion (in my opinion) of the NEXUS faction. Its like the old saying goes, "It ends the way it began"...

 

[Ferbian]

Ferbian, If I could get involved in your "debate", I would really want to put in my two cents in.

By all means dude. Don't hesitate to join in, that goes for anybody.

Now I know it is safe to assume that the NEXUS storyline has clearly been one of the best in recent history. After a boring number amount of feuds (with a few exceptions), WWE has finally been brought back to its "peak" of creativity for main event feuds. If I recall, the last fued, besides this current one, that was really intriuging (to me) was the Triple H and Randy Orton feud leading up to Wrestlemania 25. The build up was very well done.

Agreed. However I wouldn't necessarily call the Randy orton vs Triple H feud the last feud that was really intriguing. I wouldn't discount the Jeff Hardy vs CM Punk feud mate.

While it is true that the "BIG" match was at Summerslam, there was never a conclusion. The constant beating, interfearence etc was all pointing towards the NEXUS establishing itself as a "POWERFUL" entity. Now, John Cena's job was to stop them. John Cena took the role of a superhero and did everything he could to stop the NEXUS. He tried handling them on his own. He tried reasoning with them. It did not work. He then assembles a team to take them down...and it works (-ish). The thing though, its that NEXUS still managed to retain its "credibility" as one ofthe fearcest. In other words, the fued between Cena and Wade (w/ NEXUS) has not had a proper conclusion.

I can only partially agree with that. You mention how the conclusion never really was there. Well that's only part of the story. The conclusion was indeed there between RAW and The Nexus. Obviously The Nexus still thrives in dominating, however not on the same level as before.

Besides, no faction has ever truly died out just because of one common loss. A faction dies out over time. And this feud between The Nexus and RAW, really isn't just a momentary feud, it's more of simply creating a pushing faction, therefore it couldn't possibly just die out. But the conclusion in the momentary feud between John Cena and The Nexus was indeed there.

And exactly how do I come to that conclusion? A feud ending doesn't mean that the two feuding doesn't encounter each other at times. Let's remember how Triple H vs Randy Orton transitioned into Randy Orton vs John Cena, oh yeah, a triple threat.

That would mean, that right now considering Wade Barrett is involved in many things beyond John Cena, that it could therefore transit into a Wade Barrett / Nexus vs Randy Orton, seeing as he's involved in the current plot, and the guy that Wade Barrett fought last night.

This is true. Their encounters have been seen before, but never in a quality one on one match. Team vs. Team matches are alway fun to watch and are very credible. But a one on one match always defines and concludes "the bigger picture". Regarding Wade being able to feud with others, I agree. Though that should happen with time. The main objective at the momment (in my opinion) is to have Cena and Wade finish off their feud.

Quality one on one match is judged by opinion. Certainly their first encounter weren't a top notch 5 stars sticker smacked right in the middle of the common viewers face. However it was certainly worthy of taking note of. The match was pretty decent, so quality was definitely there.

Besides, their feud has practically been finished off. Considering it was never a one on one feud, it was always a one on many feud. The Nexus have pretty much parted their definite ways with John Cena. Again, encounters happen though.

But if you truly want "closure" it can very well happen at Night of Champions. A new feud can be sparked in the six pack challenge, especially considering it could very well be Randy Orton, Edge or who ever the fuck that costs Wade the chance of becoming champion. That would mean there's a way to escape away from Cena, and move on. It happened for Randy Orton at Elimination Chamber after all.

Therefore, I must say that a match between John Cena and Wade Barret is still very much needed. Of course, it is probably not going to happen right away, but every thing has to have an end, and when the end of NEXUS comes, it should end with one final showdown between the leader (Wade) and the "hero" who tried to take down the NEXUS from the very beginning (Cena). John Cena vs. Wade Barret is the "perfect" conclusion (in my opinion) of the NEXUS faction. Its like the old saying goes, "It ends the way it began"...

Of course it's eventually needed. However it's definitely not a big deal, nor is it something that we need to see next week as Sarcy so nicely seemed to suggest the need to watch. Or for that sake that it needs to happen at a Pay Per View in the nearest future. There's many others available to push The Nexus as well as Wade Barrett into a bigger position than John Cena. He is not the only main event face, nor is he the only available talent pusher (Because that's all the main event guys are at times, talent pushers, enhancement talents if you will).

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I think that just adds to the biggest problem Nexus had from day one: Outside of Wade Barrett, who really should be on the show? It is no secret that Wade is hands down the BEST guy in the group. He tops them all categories, especially in the mic skills and charisma and presence areas. I wasn't surprise to hear that only Wade and Gabriel had matches.

Maybe the match between Wade vs Cena will be an Alamo situation for the Nexus.

I don't think Nexus vs Cena is done by any stretch (if that is what you are implying). Unlike most feuds in recent history, they are trying to do something more than having the same people wrestle over and over and over and over again. That's the great thing about a faction. But I do think it has reach the stage of elevating Wade to the point he doesn't need it. And to some extend, Gabriel.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Agreed. However I wouldn't necessarily call the Randy orton vs Triple H feud the last feud that was really intriguing. I wouldn't discount the Jeff Hardy vs CM Punk feud mate.

While I will admit that the Hardy and Punk feud was well done, I was never really intriuged by it enough to say "DAMN! One of the best feuds I have ever seen!". Though this is soley my opinion, as at the time, I reall did not like Jeff Hardy and Cm Punk very much. It wasn't until a bit afterwards that I really started to "dig" Cm Punk and his Straight Edge Gimmick. Though on that note, I really despise what has happened to the SES as of late. Everything that SES had established is getting diminished with its constant jobbing to the Big Show (another I sincerely despise).

I can only partially agree with that. You mention how the conclusion never really was there. Well that's only part of the story. The conclusion was indeed there between RAW and The Nexus. Obviously The Nexus still thrives in dominating, however not on the same level as before.

Besides, no faction has ever truly died out just because of one common loss. A faction dies out over time. And this feud between The Nexus and RAW, really isn't just a momentary feud, it's more of simply creating a pushing faction, therefore it couldn't possibly just die out. But the conclusion in the momentary feud between John Cena and The Nexus was indeed there.

To my understanding, there was never a conclusion between Raw and Nexus or for that matter a conclusion between Cena and Wade individually seeing as how the NEXUS is still up and kicking. Of course a faction never died out becaus of one loss, I never said anything against that. My point that I was driving to was the fact that the "feud" between Cena and Wade (w/NEXUS) is still very much there as it has not had a proper conclusion.

Unless you and I have a different vision of conclusion, I can't be convinced to say that the Summerslam match was a conclusion. To me, a conclusion is "the end"--period. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the feud has to end right now or as soon as possible, I am saying when NEXUS really does end, it should end with one final showdown between Wade and Cena.

And exactly how do I come to that conclusion? A feud ending doesn't mean that the two feuding doesn't encounter each other at times. Let's remember how Triple H vs Randy Orton transitioned into Randy Orton vs John Cena, oh yeah, a triple threat.

That would mean, that right now considering Wade Barrett is involved in many things beyond John Cena, that it could therefore transit into a Wade Barrett / Nexus vs Randy Orton, seeing as he's involved in the current plot, and the guy that Wade Barrett fought last night.

Jumping off topic for a bit, Orton really is looking rather well at this momment. I enjoy how he's being established as a dominant force.

However, even though Wade (w/NEXUS) have been involved with various situations other than John Cena, you cannot deny that the initial feud was between John Cena and NEXUS. In my opinion, a feud should end with what it started. Of course, there can be various obstacles in between such as the mini feuds that are going on at the momment. However, the feud should not deny that a proper conclusion needs to involve John Cena vs. Wade Barret to truly finish things off.

I always believed that the involvement of John Cena in the current feud of Randy and Triple H (last year) was only because the WWE could not have its top guy out in the sidelines. With the involvement of John Cena, you have 3 mega stars in a match. What does this mean? More money. And we all know, the most important thing to Vince is how he's going to get a new paycheck.

After NoC, the feud transitioned into two different feuds being Randy Orton vs. John Cena and Triple H rejoining with Shawn Michaels to take on Legacy. While I will say both feuds were entertaining, a proper conclusion between Triple H and Orton was never really established. In my opinion, all feuds should always have a proper conclusion as I have said numerous times before, everything has to have an end and all loose ends have to be tied up.

Quality one on one match is judged by opinion. Certainly their first encounter weren't a top notch 5 stars sticker smacked right in the middle of the common viewers face. However it was certainly worthy of taking note of. The match was pretty decent, so quality was definitely there.

Besides, their feud has practically been finished off. Considering it was never a one on one feud, it was always a one on many feud. The Nexus have pretty much parted their definite ways with John Cena. Again, encounters happen though.

But if you truly want "closure" it can very well happen at Night of Champions. A new feud can be sparked in the six pack challenge, especially considering it could very well be Randy Orton, Edge or who ever the fuck that costs Wade the chance of becoming champion. That would mean there's a way to escape away from Cena, and move on. It happened for Randy Orton at Elimination Chamber after all.

Quality was there, I agree. There is no denying that. But if the feud really did finsih off there, then I will be fairly disapointed. The entire build up was focused around NEXUS establishing itself as the greater force. It has done so by all the things it has done...but the main focus was always around John Cena. John Cena, the biggest face of the company, countlessly being defeated, beaten, tortured. His title matches all interupted at the hands of NEXUS. This screams VENGENCE to me...

Now how can this possibly be handled? A one on one match between Wade and Cena in a "one final showdown"....

Of course it's eventually needed. However it's definitely not a big deal, nor is it something that we need to see next week as Sarcy so nicely seemed to suggest the need to watch. Or for that sake that it needs to happen at a Pay Per View in the nearest future. There's many others available to push The Nexus as well as Wade Barrett into a bigger position than John Cena. He is not the only main event face, nor is he the only available talent pusher (Because that's all the main event guys are at times, talent pushers, enhancement talents if you will).

At the momment it will not be needed. Sure, I agree with that. But when the end of NEXUS really is upon us. What better way then to have it end the way it began. It will most definately be one of the most look forward to matches. This feud has had a tremendous and extraordinary build up. I would be a shame that it not end in a PPV. Besides, I'm pretty sure Vince will not want to showcase such a match on a regular RAW event as that is very lack-luster. All the build up just to end with a common match? That screams let down to me.

I get what you are saying that the match would scream "meh" to you as you have probably grown tired of Cena vs. NEXUS and wish for it to lead to other feuds. Thats good But to me, the feud needs to end with a proper conclusion between Cena and Wade...John Cena vs. Wade Barret....that screams "FUCK!" in my opinion.

 

[Ferbian]

While I will admit that the Hardy and Punk feud was well done, I was never really intriuged by it enough to say "DAMN! One of the best feuds I have ever seen!". Though this is soley my opinion, as at the time, I reall did not like Jeff Hardy and Cm Punk very much. It wasn't until a bit afterwards that I really started to "dig" Cm Punk and his Straight Edge Gimmick. Though on that note, I really despise what has happened to the SES as of late. Everything that SES had established is getting diminished with its constant jobbing to the Big Show (another I sincerely despise).

Let's not get this into an off-topic thing. We'll have this discussion another time Mr. Awesome.

To my understanding, there was never a conclusion between Raw and Nexus or for that matter a conclusion between Cena and Wade individually seeing as how the NEXUS is still up and kicking. Of course a faction never died out becaus of one loss, I never said anything against that. My point that I was driving to was the fact that the "feud" between Cena and Wade (w/NEXUS) is still very much there as it has not had a proper conclusion.

The conclusion came to the extend that The Nexus is not the dominant force that beats everybody up anymore. They beat some up, but not everybody. John Cena accomplished a goal in that manner.

The Nexus is still kicking yes, but not to the extend that they were before the Summerslam fight. The Nexus needed to trim fat and get more dominant, something that they haven't proved to accomplish yet however. But they're getting there, and John Cena isn't involved in all of that accomplishment.

The feud might not be completely closed. But it's more than enough for Wade Barrett to go on and do other things, with an occasional encounter with John Cena. Just like Randy Orton and Triple H never truly dies down, or John Cena vs Edge. They will always encounter each other at some moment. And to me, those long long long dragged out slowly slumbering feuds to be revived occasionally, those are the better ones.

Unless you and I have a different vision of conclusion, I can't be convinced to say that the Summerslam match was a conclusion. To me, a conclusion is "the end"--period. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the feud has to end right now or as soon as possible, I am saying when NEXUS really does end, it should end with one final showdown between Wade and Cena.

It depends to what extend you determine it to be a conclusion. Did it end everything? Absolutely not. But did it change and end the very thing the feud and match was created for? Yes. The Nexus is no longer running amok on the roster, mission accomplished.

Jumping off topic for a bit, Orton really is looking rather well at this momment. I enjoy how he's being established as a dominant force.

It's getting a bit obnoxious. But only a bit. He seems like he's reaching a point of being impossible to defeat, and sadly his matches aren't as good as John Cena's. Who makes it work.

However, even though Wade (w/NEXUS) have been involved with various situations other than John Cena, you cannot deny that the initial feud was between John Cena and NEXUS. In my opinion, a feud should end with what it started. Of course, there can be various obstacles in between such as the mini feuds that are going on at the momment. However, the feud should not deny that a proper conclusion needs to involve John Cena vs. Wade Barret to truly finish things off.

Of course I'm not denying that. However I'm saying that because John Cena vs The Nexus was the start of it, it doesn't have to end through that, nor does that feud have to end completely in order to move on to something else. Randy Orton vs Triple H didn't truly end in 2009, but it transitioned into John Cena vs Randy Orton being refueled. And those kind of feuds, like I said before, are the better ones.

I always believed that the involvement of John Cena in the current feud of Randy and Triple H (last year) was only because the WWE could not have its top guy out in the sidelines. With the involvement of John Cena, you have 3 mega stars in a match. What does this mean? More money. And we all know, the most important thing to Vince is how he's going to get a new paycheck.

Of course they can have their top guy on the sideline. It's been done before. Remember The Rock vs Hogan? Austin was still the biggest star right there.

But John Cena and Randy Orton squaring off made sense to transition into that. Because it left that slight open possibility of Triple H vs Randy Orton to clash once again in say, a few months to a years time.

After NoC, the feud transitioned into two different feuds being Randy Orton vs. John Cena and Triple H rejoining with Shawn Michaels to take on Legacy. While I will say both feuds were entertaining, a proper conclusion between Triple H and Orton was never really established. In my opinion, all feuds should always have a proper conclusion as I have said numerous times before, everything has to have an end and all loose ends have to be tied up.

That's exactly the point. It transitioned into two different things, and that is something that The Nexus could accomplish through Night of Champions this year as well. John Cena doesn't need to walk out into a feud with Wade Barrett and The Nexus instantly afterwards. It could very well turn into a Nexus vs Randy Orton, which is obviously something they seem to be poking a bit at to see the crowd's reaction. Last night was obviously a tester if you ask me.

Quality was there, I agree. There is no denying that. But if the feud really did finsih off there, then I will be fairly disapointed. The entire build up was focused around NEXUS establishing itself as the greater force. It has done so by all the things it has done...but the main focus was always around John Cena. John Cena, the biggest face of the company, countlessly being defeated, beaten, tortured. His title matches all interupted at the hands of NEXUS. This screams VENGENCE to me...

Of course it didn't finish off, because it was never started at that point.

The Nexus is indeed establishing itself as the greater force. However, you can't just be the greater force against one guy. There's Randy Orton right there in your face, the very guy that contests the popularity and dominance of John Cena. Why in the world would they not capitalize and strike towards that, especially since John Cena vs The Nexus has dragged out for the entire summer pretty much.

Now how can this possibly be handled? A one on one match between Wade and Cena in a "one final showdown"....

The vengeance thing really has already happened. Have you forgotten what it was that made John Cena tick and start to work against The Nexus? Interrupting his match with Punk, interfering in his fatal four way match that lost him his championship, as well as numerous interference and general attacks at Cena, as well as the general RAW roster.

At the momment it will not be needed. Sure, I agree with that. But when the end of NEXUS really is upon us. What better way then to have it end the way it began. It will most definately be one of the most look forward to matches. This feud has had a tremendous and extraordinary build up. I would be a shame that it not end in a PPV. Besides, I'm pretty sure Vince will not want to showcase such a match on a regular RAW event as that is very lack-luster. All the build up just to end with a common match? That screams let down to me.

Not everything needs to be ended where it began. Why not end it with the final opponent that becomes too much? Triple H is bound to return eventually. Sure it would be awful and the IWC would cry out "Triple H used his creative position to slaughter The Nexus!!!"

However, it would also make perfect sense. Triple H is one hell of a nut to crack. No I'm not saying he's above John Cena, however he is definitely a challenge in a high level. Why would they not have Triple H be the final thing for that sake? I'm not saying it should happen, but it's just proving that it's not where it began that it needs to end.

Besides, we've seen high quality matches on regular television before. Remember John Cena vs triple H in 2009 building up to Bragging Rights. Sure as hell would call that Pay Per View quality, as well as John Morrison vs Rey Mysterio in 2009. So while I agree it'd be stupid not to throw it at a Pay Per View, it doesn't mean that it has to.

I get what you are saying that the match would scream "meh" to you as you have probably grown tired of Cena vs. NEXUS and wish for it to lead to other feuds. Thats good But to me, the feud needs to end with a proper conclusion between Cena and Wade...John Cena vs. Wade Barret....that screams "FUCK!" in my opinion.

Oh no no. I haven't grown tired of Cena vs The Nexus. I'm loving it. However I don't see the big deal in the match-up because we've seen it before. I could rank 5 people I'd much rather want Wade Barrett or The Nexus to go up against to blow this thing off. Hell I could name them now.

In no particular order: Triple H, Randy Orton, Sheamus, The Undertaker and.. Yeah no 5th person, because these are really the 4 only guys that'd make sense. Edge, Jericho, Rey and Kane are in no position to feud with The Nexus. And I'm sure The Nexus would fucking decimate Big Show.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Let's not get this into an off-topic thing. We'll have this discussion another time Mr. Awesome.

Agreed. But since I am not a big fan of long posts (as I usually find myself tempted to not read them), I will only quote you on the parts I either strongly disagree or something similar to that. Lets "trim the fat" what do you say?

But it's more than enough for Wade Barrett to go on and do other things, with an occasional encounter with John Cena. Just like Randy Orton and Triple H never truly dies down, or John Cena vs Edge. They will always encounter each other at some moment. And to me, those long long long dragged out slowly slumbering feuds to be revived occasionally, those are the better ones.

This is true. But if you think about it....this scenario is most likely to happen after the NEXUS faction has ended as all of the members will be on their seperate ways. Wade Barret can stay in the main event feuding with the likes of John Cena, randy Orton, Triple H, etc. Justin Gabriel will most likely stay in the mid-card level. If Skip Sheffield were still there he would, like Gabriel, stay in the mid-card level.

I feel as if the others will become a moot point once NEXUS ends. I really don't see anything special in David Otunga. The fact that he is engaged to whatsername is the only reason he ranked so high in the NXT pro's poll in my opinion. Darren Young and Heath Slater to me are quite frankly "fillers". Michael Tarver, now there's an interesting one. I am completely biased when I speak of Tarver as I like him for the fact that he always makes me laugh for the stupid "out of place" things that he does. I would want to see lots more of Tarver once NEXUS ends but again, thats only because of my biased opinion.

It's getting a bit obnoxious. But only a bit. He seems like he's reaching a point of being impossible to defeat, and sadly his matches aren't as good as John Cena's. Who makes it work.

Now here I strongly disagree. Randy Orton fits the picture of invincibility alot better than John Cena as Randy Orton is a "hard-ass", "too cool for school", "Its my way or no way" type of character. John Cena, or as some like to say, "SUPER" Cena does not do a good job at "pretending" that he is all banged up only to have him win in the end.

If you recall the gauntlet match between Chris Jericho, Big Show, and Randy Orton right before Hell in a Cell. Both Show and Jericho applied their finishers (Camal Clutch and Walls of Jericho) to Cena only to have Cena act as if nothing ever happened and defeat Randy in the third round. That not only discredited Show and Jericho, it made John Cena look unstoppable, but in not so much of a good way.

Well this above was a bit off topic, but its just a (rather long) side note.

Of course they can have their top guy on the sideline. It's been done before. Remember The Rock vs Hogan? Austin was still the biggest star right there.

But John Cena and Randy Orton squaring off made sense to transition into that. Because it left that slight open possibility of Triple H vs Randy Orton to clash once again in say, a few months to a years time.

The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan was a different story and a different time. That match was dedicated to "the torch" being passed down. The triple threat match was nothing of the sort. Top draw can be side-lined, sure. But you missed the point I was getting at. Night of Champions only consists of Championship matches. That means, without Cena (the top draw) in the championship match, he wouldnt be in the ppv which means there would have been a significant decrease in the profit as well all know the kids love to see their heroes.

The vengeance thing really has already happened. Have you forgotten what it was that made John Cena tick and start to work against The Nexus? Interrupting his match with Punk, interfering in his fatal four way match that lost him his championship, as well as numerous interference and general attacks at Cena, as well as the general RAW roster.

Vengance for John Cena is what I ment. The fued started with the focus on John Cena. Little by little the NEXUS spread themselves to attacking the others. NEXUS got the best of them which resulted in the match at Summer Slam. John Cena got the win, but NEXUS didn't end there (nor do I believe that it lost any credibility). NEXUS still continues to establish itself as a main threat that is eventually (most likely) going to lead it to feuds against other top draws. But even if it is faint, there should exist the tension between John Cena and NEXUS (Wade Barret). When the time comes that NEXUS's time has come. What better way to end it than the way it began? John Cena vs. Wade Barret. Its been a long time coming, the build up was always there etc etc.

Of course, NEXUS does not have to end that way (JC vs. WB), but I do strongly believe that it is a deserving end to the NEXUS storyline. Which is why I believe that a John Cena vs. Wade Barret feud is needed in the near future.

Not everything needs to be ended where it began. Why not end it with the final opponent that becomes too much?

True. But it makes perfect sense to end things the way they began. As for Triple H being the one to take down NEXUS, thats not a bad idea. Though, in my opinion, I would prefer if Triple H would be the "mastermind" behind NEXUS but thats just me speacking. I can tell you are a big fan of his, but honestly, I don't want to see him be the one to take down NEXUS.

Further Feuds between NEXUS and other top stars will be interesting to be sure. Hell, I would love to see what Triple H or Orton will do to try to take them down. Nevertheless, when NEXUS's time finally does come, it should be John Cena who takes Wade Barret down. In my opinion, that would be one hell of a finish to the NEXUS.

Look at me, here I am saying lets "trim the fat", and I still end up doing a longer post than I wanted originally. Haha Oh well.

 

[Ferbian]

Agreed. But since I am not a big fan of long posts (as I usually find myself tempted to not read them), I will only quote you on the parts I either strongly disagree or something similar to that. Lets "trim the fat" what do you say?

It's fine. I don't mind.

This is true. But if you think about it....this scenario is most likely to happen after the NEXUS faction has ended as all of the members will be on their seperate ways. Wade Barret can stay in the main event feuding with the likes of John Cena, randy Orton, Triple H, etc. Justin Gabriel will most likely stay in the mid-card level. If Skip Sheffield were still there he would, like Gabriel, stay in the mid-card level.

Certainly afterwards Wade Barrett is more then established into the main event hopefully. However that doesn't mean that he has to be facing John Cena as either one of his first, or for that sake one of his current feuds to end it all off with. Wade as well as The Nexus have much potential to work against pretty much anybody, why isolate themselves against John Cena?

I feel as if the others will become a moot point once NEXUS ends. I really don't see anything special in David Otunga. The fact that he is engaged to whatsername is the only reason he ranked so high in the NXT pro's poll in my opinion. Darren Young and Heath Slater to me are quite frankly "fillers". Michael Tarver, now there's an interesting one. I am completely biased when I speak of Tarver as I like him for the fact that he always makes me laugh for the stupid "out of place" things that he does. I would want to see lots more of Tarver once NEXUS ends but again, thats only because of my biased opinion.

The majority of them could make it work in the mid-card just well. The problem is about the fact that most of them will be either lost in the shuffle, or causing others to be lost in the shuffle. There's eally no compromise because all of them coming to the RAW roster really over floated the possibility of the mid-card once this one ends.

Now here I strongly disagree. Randy Orton fits the picture of invincibility alot better than John Cena as Randy Orton is a "hard-ass", "too cool for school", "Its my way or no way" type of character. John Cena, or as some like to say, "SUPER" Cena does not do a good job at "pretending" that he is all banged up only to have him win in the end.

He might fit the picture much better. But that doesn't make him better at putting on matches. John Cena have thrived as the invincible type of character for a long time, as well as he has put on great matches time and time again.

If you recall the gauntlet match between Chris Jericho, Big Show, and Randy Orton right before Hell in a Cell. Both Show and Jericho applied their finishers (Camal Clutch and Walls of Jericho) to Cena only to have Cena act as if nothing ever happened and defeat Randy in the third round. That not only discredited Show and Jericho, it made John Cena look unstoppable, but in not so much of a good way.

I remember that yes. But it doesn't necessarily make any of them look incredibly weak. Or well from one perspective it does, but from another perspective you can very well get the thought that John Cena is just that tough. Doesn't make Randy the better picture for invincibility however.

The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan was a different story and a different time. That match was dedicated to "the torch" being passed down. The triple threat match was nothing of the sort. Top draw can be side-lined, sure. But you missed the point I was getting at. Night of Champions only consists of Championship matches. That means, without Cena (the top draw) in the championship match, he wouldnt be in the ppv which means there would have been a significant decrease in the profit as well all know the kids love to see their heroes.

Of course John Cena was bound to be at Night of Champions any year. However that doesn't ignore the fact that John Cena was most likely in there for the feud to transition onwards to John Cena vs Randy Orton and leave Randy vs Triple H open.

Vengance for John Cena is what I ment. The fued started with the focus on John Cena. Little by little the NEXUS spread themselves to attacking the others. NEXUS got the best of them which resulted in the match at Summer Slam. John Cena got the win, but NEXUS didn't end there (nor do I believe that it lost any credibility). NEXUS still continues to establish itself as a main threat that is eventually (most likely) going to lead it to feuds against other top draws. But even if it is faint, there should exist the tension between John Cena and NEXUS (Wade Barret). When the time comes that NEXUS's time has come. What better way to end it than the way it began? John Cena vs. Wade Barret. Its been a long time coming, the build up was always there etc etc.

I know you ment for John Cena, and that's what I addressed.

John Cena got pushed over the edge, and got the upper hand and his vengeance solved after Summerslam really. He's not being attacked anymore, and the RAW roster is not being attacked anymore.

So really, what left is there for John Cena vs The Nexus to accomplish? John obviously can't go one on 5, and The Nexus can't just run in circles doing the same damn thing of beating up teams and John Cena. Who is there left that they haven't attacked? Enter Orton, Triple H, Sheamus.

Of course, NEXUS does not have to end that way (JC vs. WB), but I do strongly believe that it is a deserving end to the NEXUS storyline. Which is why I believe that a John Cena vs. Wade Barret feud is needed in the near future.

Not necessarily. Why would you want to end it with the leader vs the first opponent? Sure it makes sense, but it also devalues and completely ignores the remaining 5 (6 perhaps if Sheffield is before it ends). I'm not against the John Cena vs Wade match, I never said that. But it's not really that big a deal to me, and it's not something I necessarily need to see.

True. But it makes perfect sense to end things the way they began. As for Triple H being the one to take down NEXUS, thats not a bad idea. Though, in my opinion, I would prefer if Triple H would be the "mastermind" behind NEXUS but thats just me speacking. I can tell you are a big fan of his, but honestly, I don't want to see him be the one to take down NEXUS.

Sure it might make sense. But it's not necessarily where it needs to end. There's so many different people that could happen. Besides, John Cena doesn't need to be the only opponent and only feud The Nexus really experiences. That is what we have yet to see. John Cena can very well take a side step for the remainder of The Nexus, only to come back around eventually.

Further Feuds between NEXUS and other top stars will be interesting to be sure. Hell, I would love to see what Triple H or Orton will do to try to take them down. Nevertheless, when NEXUS's time finally does come, it should be John Cena who takes Wade Barret down. In my opinion, that would be one hell of a finish to the NEXUS.

There's others available to take down Wade, and John Cena doesn't necessarily make the better choice. Hell Chris Jericho could be a great choice as well. The guy that created the leader to take down the leader. There's a lot of different ways to book the ending, when it finally happens.

Look at me, here I am saying lets "trim the fat", and I still end up doing a longer post than I wanted originally. Haha Oh well.

It's all good. As long as it remains on-topic and clean then it's all good.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Why would you want to end it with the leader vs the first opponent?

I think that is what you aren't getting, no offense. Cena isn't just the "first" opponent.. Cena has been the "primary target" for the group, despite Wade's manly voice claiming Cena has nothing to do with what Nexus is really about. (Though I agree with Unsex when he says Nexus is really about getting Wade over, which involves Cena haha)



On a semi-related note, I think you guys are giving to much credit to most of the other members of Nexus. Skip Sheffield will totally have to re-established himself when he gets back. Tarver and Otunga are one and the same, with the difference being one is using his wife as a reason to be on the main roster. Slater is as charismatic and as good on the mic as McIntyre and McCool, whom are horrible.

I think Gabriel is the only one outside of Wade who could do something besides get lost in the mid-card. He actually got over on NXT as a face, even with average mic skils.

 

[Ferbian]

I think that is what you aren't getting, no offense. Cena isn't just the "first" opponent.. Cena has been the "primary target" for the group, despite Wade's manly voice claiming Cena has nothing to do with what Nexus is really about. (Though I agree with Unsex when he says Nexus is really about getting Wade over, which involves Cena haha)

John Cena was the primary target I get that. However does that automatically mean that it has to end that way? Does it automatically mean that John Cena has to be the final opponent? The Nexus weren't crafted in order to take out John Cena, it was created in order for all to get contracts, to stick together and to keep the bond they had in NXT.

On a semi-related note, I think you guys are giving to much credit to most of the other members of Nexus. Skip Sheffield will totally have to re-established himself when he gets back. Tarver and Otunga are one and the same, with the difference being one is using his wife as a reason to be on the main roster. Slater is as charismatic and as good on the mic as McIntyre and McCool, whom are horrible.

That's all an opinion. I could definitely see all of them getting some firm mid-card position.

Skip Sheffield is over as a face when he was that (at least slightly) and he is over as a heel. He's able to dominate, in singles competition as well as tag team competition. He has a build, as well as an ability to talk, therefore he's definitely with a future in the WWE.

Tarver just like Sheffield is over as a heel, and he has the build as well as good microphone skills, so he could also accomplish things in the mid-card.

Otunga has good microphone skills and can get over as a heel, he has he best build of them all. And he is most likely a part of the future for WWE. He is a gateway to the mainstream for WWE because of Jennifer Hudson.

Slater is over as a face. And he is decent in the ring. He is a bit bland on the microphone (Which Michelle and Drew aren't in my opinion. They're just fine). Why wouldn't he be able to accomplish something?

Justin Gabriel will be a career mid-carder because of his size. But he has great in-ring ability, and he's not exactly awful on the microphone. He's able to talk, but he has stage fright which hurts him a bit.

Wade, well we already know Wade and where he'll be in the future.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

John Cena was the primary target I get that. However does that automatically mean that it has to end that way?

In pro wrestling? Yes. After the third or fourth week, this angle has really became Wade Barrett (and his goons) vs John Cena.

Does it automatically mean that John Cena has to be the final opponent?

Yup. Like I said, this became Barrett vs Cena a month or so after Nexus' formation. I think it is mostly because the rest of the guys don't have that wow factor or cannot speak like Wade does. Unlike what Wade said, no group has synonymous or we would be getting other guys in main event slots by themselves.. And Cena has been the main target for Wade. Wade is always pointing and talking shit to Cena first. Wade always charges after Cena first. Etc. etc. Little things like these is what I like about Wade Barrett. haha

The Nexus weren't crafted in order to take out John Cena, it was created in order for all to get contracts, to stick together and to keep the bond they had in NXT.

Prolly, but Wade is a heel and how many times do heels talk out of their asses? haha Well, when Cena over came the odds at Summerslam, I think that was prolly the most progression the group has had since it started. Wade made the decree that kicked out Darren Young for being the weak link. Their bond is breaking. I think it is things like this that makes this angle so interesting.

Skip Sheffield is over as a face when he was that (at least slightly) and he is over as a heel. He's able to dominate, in singles competition as well as tag team competition. He has a build, as well as an ability to talk, therefore he's definitely with a future in the WWE.

I just don't see it. Skip is just a really roid'd out Stone Cold knock off in look and voice to me. Maybe there's something in the water in Texas. I don't think Skip is charismatic, I don't think his matches are all that good if he is in control, and to be honest, I just find his so annoying.

Tarver just like Sheffield is over as a heel, and he has the build as well as good microphone skills, so he could also accomplish things in the mid-card.

Ok, like Skip (I like his name btw), what exactly separates Tarver from the bazillion other mid carders who can "talk"? All of the Nexus guys are going to be coming off a hot angle, but what exactly makes them so compelling to watch? Mark Henry can do whatever Tarver can do, but like a bazillion times more charismatic.

Otunga has good microphone skills and can get over as a heel, he has he best build of them all. And he is most likely a part of the future for WWE. He is a gateway to the mainstream for WWE because of Jennifer Hudson.

If he had good mic skills, he would talk more. He can get over as a heel, but who really wants to see him like at all? He promos are timid and forced, his matches are bad unless it is like a shot to the head: quick and painless.

Slater is over as a face. And he is decent in the ring. He is a bit bland on the microphone (Which Michelle and Drew aren't in my opinion. They're just fine). Why wouldn't he be able to accomplish something?

Again, what exactly makes Slater better than some of the mid-carders they have now outside of major exposure? Primo can do all the stuff in the ring Slater can and he is a jobber. Slater would make a fine jobber because his expression is either a Down syndrome-quese smile or a shocked face. haha

Justin Gabriel will be a career mid-carder because of his size. But he has great in-ring ability, and he's not exactly awful on the microphone. He's able to talk, but he has stage fright which hurts him a bit.

You can tell he is getting over the stage fright too. He hands weren't shaking on Monday. I think people are understating Gabriel's size. The guy is no smaller than Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart in their primes. He just isn't as out there as personality was like a HBK or as compelling in the ring like a Bret Hart.. Yet. I think the whole size argument is invalid for gets who are over 6ft.

Wade, well we already know Wade and where he'll be in the future.

Yes. Yes, he will.

 

[Ferbian]

In pro wrestling? Yes. After the third or fourth week, this angle has really became Wade Barrett (and his goons) vs John Cena.

I have no idea how you connected that to the part you quoted.

Yup. Like I said, this became Barrett vs Cena a month or so after Nexus' formation. I think it is mostly because the rest of the guys don't have that wow factor or cannot speak like Wade does. Unlike what Wade said, no group has synonymous or we would be getting other guys in main event slots by themselves.. And Cena has been the main target for Wade. Wade is always pointing and talking shit to Cena first. Wade always charges after Cena first. Etc. etc. Little things like these is what I like about Wade Barrett. haha

It's still all about The Nexus more than just about Wade Barrett. There's definitely still people being displayed. Did you forget that John Cena had matches with Darren Young, David Otunga and Justin Gabriel as well? It's not just Wade vs John.

Besides, like I addressed earlier in this thread, it's just as much Wade vs Randy Orton that seems to be building now, or for that sake Nexus vs Randy Orton.

Prolly, but Wade is a heel and how many times do heels talk out of their asses? haha Well, when Cena over came the odds at Summerslam, I think that was prolly the most progression the group has had since it started. Wade made the decree that kicked out Darren Young for being the weak link. Their bond is breaking. I think it is things like this that makes this angle so interesting.

I would love to see you explain how the very thing they said wasn't the exact thing they tried to accomplish? The Nexus was never once said that John Cena was the one they wanted to take out. They said he was a part of the bigger picture, as well as that The Nexus stuck together through thick and thin because of NXT.

I just don't see it. Skip is just a really roid'd out Stone Cold knock off in look and voice to me. Maybe there's something in the water in Texas. I don't think Skip is charismatic, I don't think his matches are all that good if he is in control, and to be honest, I just find his so annoying.

That might be. But if that is the thing, how in the world would you want to discredit him if he is a bigger builded version of Stone Cold?

Anyway, Skip has the ability to become a dominant force, and he'll definitely make a bit of noise in the mid-card and eventually upper mid-card. I could even see this guy taking something up in the main event like once or twice in his career. A world title perhaps even.

Ok, like Skip (I like his name btw), what exactly separates Tarver from the bazillion other mid carders who can "talk"? All of the Nexus guys are going to be coming off a hot angle, but what exactly makes them so compelling to watch? Mark Henry can do whatever Tarver can do, but like a bazillion times more charismatic.

The fact that Tarver is interesting? The fact that Tarver is actually worth a damn to watch compared to some of the mid-carders. Very few of them are worth watching in the ring, or for that sake listening to. Tarver has charisma, and it shows throughout every single one of his promos.

Did you just call Mark Henry charismatic?

If he had good mic skills, he would talk more. He can get over as a heel, but who really wants to see him like at all? He promos are timid and forced, his matches are bad unless it is like a shot to the head: quick and painless.

He talks in every group promo that the Nexus gets. He talked in pretty much any NXT episode, as well as he talked a lot during his hosting of RAW. He gets microphone time.

Otunga is green in the ring, he debuted in less than 2 years ago. Give him some time to learn before killing off the in-ring ability of this guy. He's not exactly god awful.

Again, what exactly makes Slater better than some of the mid-carders they have now outside of major exposure? Primo can do all the stuff in the ring Slater can and he is a jobber. Slater would make a fine jobber because his expression is either a Down syndrome-quese smile or a shocked face. haha

The fact that he seems somewhat charismatic, he's able to get over if given the time, and the fact that he's accomplished in terms of actually pinning two world champions already (Sheamus and Chris Jericho.. Yeah he should have definitely played off Jericho this week)

You can tell he is getting over the stage fright too. He hands weren't shaking on Monday. I think people are understating Gabriel's size. The guy is no smaller than Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart in their primes. He just isn't as out there as personality was like a HBK or as compelling in the ring like a Bret Hart.. Yet. I think the whole size argument is invalid for gets who are over 6ft.

Yeah definitely. His promo were a bit more clean this week.

There's a small problem in comparing him with Shawn and Bret. Justin isn't as build as both of them, and he is nowhere near their in-ring ability either. Shawn and Bret got over because they were good talkers (Shawn did for certain) and they had a great in-ring ability. Overall they are ten times the superstars that Justin Gabriel could hope to accomplish. But the chance is there I'll give you that. But for now he seems like a career mid-carder.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

why isolate themselves against John Cena?

Its not that they have to "isolate" themselves with John Cena. If thats what I was saying then I am sorry as that is not what I ment. The NEXUS can just as much feud with anyone else other than Cena. Feuds such as the one to "possibly" come forth, NEXUS vs. Randy Orton. NEXUS feuding with others can create a good number of promos and matches. However, when it is all said and done, NEXUS ending with one final match between Wade vs. John Cena is something to look forward to.

The majority of them could make it work in the mid-card just well.

(I know you adressed this when discussing with Sarcy, but I am going to put my view on the rest of NEXUS.)

If you are speaking of Justin Gabriel, Skip Sheffield, and Tarver (<-- I include this guy because of my own reasons as like I said before, I am being completely biased), than I agree.

David Otunga has nothing special to offer. He is very sloppy in the ring. His mic skills are descent but I rather find them "lacking in quality". Most of the things he says are jiberish and practically unimportant.

"Shoot, thats alright with me Wade", "John Cena, Are you for real?", "Well tonight is all about redemption" (I was looking for videos to prove my point but I couldn't find any that would support me the way I wanted them to)

I really don't see anything special in Heath Slater whatsoever. He would not make a good heel nor a face. His promos arent that good and his in-ring ability screams "meh" to me. "The one man Rockband"??? Really? More like "The one man F***tard"

Darren Young, Now he's someone that makes me want to question my original thoughts. At first, I thought of him as joke. His hair made him look even worse. But when he came out on Monday the other day, he looked "natural", he looked as if he knew what he was doing and as if he's "done" it before. However, it's to early to tell, and as of right now, I would still consider him as a "joke".

The problem is about the fact that most of them will be either lost in the shuffle, or causing others to be lost in the shuffle. There's eally no compromise because all of them coming to the RAW roster really over floated the possibility of the mid-card once this one ends.

There's no argue with that. Most of the mid-carders on Raw have no where to go right now. Evryone is just "lingering around". The only mid-carders that seem to be going places at this time (in RAW) are Miz and Daniel Bryan. Now when you add the others (from NEXUS) to the mix, not only will it (possibly) be too overcrowded, some will even be reduced to jobbers or even "future endeavored".

Though having someone like Justin Gabriel feud against Bryan would be pretty interesting to say the least. But David Otunga, Daren Young, and Heath Slater are not great losses...then again neither are Mark Henry, John Morrison, Khali (if he counts) etc

but from another perspective you can very well get the thought that John Cena is just that tough. Doesn't make Randy the better picture for invincibility however.

Probably doesn't, but with the giimick Randy Orton is sporting at the momment, it recieves more "credibility" for him to be the "invincible" one more than Cena.

There is no doubt that I prefer watching John Cena matches over Randy Ortons matches. Contrary to what people say about his "5 moves of doom", I like watching him wrestle. The way I have seen it, John Cena always gtes beat up in the beginning, only to come out victorious with his Stfu or AA when people leats expect it. Some may hate when that happens but I don't.

Still, it goes without saying that John Cena does not "sell" his injuries very well and that (somewhat) discredits the competitor. Also, it makes the match look a bit too fake. Of course wrestling is fake, but its not good when a match looks too fake.

There's others available to take down Wade, and John Cena doesn't necessarily make the better choice. Hell Chris Jericho could be a great choice as well. The guy that created the leader to take down the leader. There's a lot of different ways to book the ending, when it finally happens.

There could very well be others to take down NEXUS, and it doesn't have to be Cena. I understand that. However, a John Cena VS Wade Barret would be one hell of a finish to the NEXUS storyline. Not to mention, the dough the match would probably rank in would possibly be quite satisfiable. A match between the two should be used as it could only benefit the company. With that said, lets agree to disagree on the debate of "John Cena vs. Wade Barret being needed or not".

 

[Ferbian]

Its not that they have to "isolate" themselves with John Cena. If thats what I was saying then I am sorry as that is not what I ment. The NEXUS can just as much feud with anyone else other than Cena. Feuds such as the one to "possibly" come forth, NEXUS vs. Randy Orton. NEXUS feuding with others can create a good number of promos and matches. However, when it is all said and done, NEXUS ending with one final match between Wade vs. John Cena is something to look forward to.

Sure for some it might be something to look forward to. But generally I don't see why anybody would get a hard on for hearing about John Cena vs Wade Barrett one on one, as opposed to the many other potential matches Wade could shine in.

(I know you adressed this when discussing with Sarcy, but I am going to put my view on the rest of NEXUS.)

Again, you're more than welcome.

If you are speaking of Justin Gabriel, Skip Sheffield, and Tarver (<-- I include this guy because of my own reasons as like I said before, I am being completely biased), than I agree.

Good good.

David Otunga has nothing special to offer. He is very sloppy in the ring. His mic skills are descent but I rather find them "lacking in quality". Most of the things he says are jiberish and practically unimportant.

David haven't been wrestling for 2 years even, I've already addressed that. Give the guy a break, he'll get there eventually. Miz was awful to start with too I believe, and he's pretty much in the same situation as David Otunga, coming from television to wrestling.

David would most likely rely on his microphone skills, just like The Miz. Add the fact that he can represent the company in public with his mainstream exposure, and you got a winner.

I really don't see anything special in Heath Slater whatsoever. He would not make a good heel nor a face. His promos arent that good and his in-ring ability screams "meh" to me. "The one man Rockband"??? Really? More like "The one man F***tard"

Like I've already addressed, the guy is over and he's able to work in the ring. He's definitely not bad or anything in the ring. So there's nothing wrong with keeping him around, he could be a valuable asset to the mid-card.

Darren Young, Now he's someone that makes me want to question my original thoughts. At first, I thought of him as joke. His hair made him look even worse. But when he came out on Monday the other day, he looked "natural", he looked as if he knew what he was doing and as if he's "done" it before. However, it's to early to tell, and as of right now, I would still consider him as a "joke".

Only thing I really have against this guy right now is his theme. He's interesting and he has a good look (Not the John Cena one, though it probably helps him get over). Darren could definitely work in the mid-card as well, because he's seemingly charismatic and he can work in the ring.

There's no argue with that. Most of the mid-carders on Raw have no where to go right now. Evryone is just "lingering around". The only mid-carders that seem to be going places at this time (in RAW) are Miz and Daniel Bryan. Now when you add the others (from NEXUS) to the mix, not only will it (possibly) be too overcrowded, some will even be reduced to jobbers or even "future endeavored".

Depends how you describe having nowhere to go. Because Ted DiBiase has his thing going on as well. But it's hardly an improvement, the others truly are lingering around. Or are comedy acts.

I talked about future endeavored talent and others that should be thrown to the backstage area to help improve the other wrestlers. I could make a list, but I don't feel like it. But there's definitely a handful of people that has no part in being on the active roster.

Though having someone like Justin Gabriel feud against Bryan would be pretty interesting to say the least. But David Otunga, Daren Young, and Heath Slater are not great losses...then again neither are Mark Henry, John Morrison, Khali (if he counts) etc

Oh yeah definitely. I would like to see Justin vs Bryan, or Justin vs Kaval. But that doesn't mean he stops there. The guy can work with pretty much anybody I'm sure, he's a slight high-flyer with a bit of ground based movement available (After all he suplexed Cena).

The rest are there available to work in the mid-card. Theres longer employed RAW and Smackdown talent that truly doesn't belong on the roster anymore, practically filling up the spots that The Nexus will have to take over when it all comes to an end.

Probably doesn't, but with the giimick Randy Orton is sporting at the momment, it recieves more "credibility" for him to be the "invincible" one more than Cena.

Hardly, he's still the viper. And John Cena is displaying the guy that overcomes adversity and stands tall in the end. How is Randy Orton's gimmick anywhere near credible compared to John's?

There is no doubt that I prefer watching John Cena matches over Randy Ortons matches. Contrary to what people say about his "5 moves of doom", I like watching him wrestle. The way I have seen it, John Cena always gtes beat up in the beginning, only to come out victorious with his Stfu or AA when people leats expect it. Some may hate when that happens but I don't.

Truly depends on what match, how much hype and what opponent he wrestles. Batista? Had a great back and forth match at Wrestlemania 26, a great back and forth Last Man Standing and a great I Quit match. All of them where he got attacks in as well. John really relies a bit more on that in the bigger matches, but for every day stuff he gets beaten up, then beats up, then pins.

Of course there's also just the big opponent that he actually gives a worthwhile match (Triple H Bragging Rights lead up).

Still, it goes without saying that John Cena does not "sell" his injuries very well and that (somewhat) discredits the competitor. Also, it makes the match look a bit too fake. Of course wrestling is fake, but its not good when a match looks too fake.

Arguable. I would say John sells nicely, eventually the adrenalin rush that he obviously gets allows him to overcome adversity. John Cena sells moves pretty nicely, and John Cena vs The Miz about 2 weeks ago displays it nicely, as well as his selling against Justin Gabriel.

Either way, we're getting off-topic again mate.

There could very well be others to take down NEXUS, and it doesn't have to be Cena. I understand that. However, a John Cena VS Wade Barret would be one hell of a finish to the NEXUS storyline. Not to mention, the dough the match would probably rank in would possibly be quite satisfiable. A match between the two should be used as it could only benefit the company. With that said, lets agree to disagree on the debate of "John Cena vs. Wade Barret being needed or not".

Sure it might be one hell of a finish. However while you acknowledge it's not the only way to end things. I'm convinced that there might even be better ways to end it than John Cena. Certainly it's where it all started, and it's getting all melodramatic and heartwarming, but in the end it doesn't mean that it will be the better ending. Triple H could very well grant them a great ending, Randy, Edge, Jericho, Undertaker, Sheamus etc. could do the very same thing. However it requires that we actually give them time to check out who they thrive the most with, who will they be able to develop the better feud with?

Guess what, we have absolutely no idea whether John Cena actually gave them the feud of their career. Because we don't know whether someone else has the potential to give them a bigger thing.

 

[rkomania25]

I love the Nexus angle, one of the best angles in the past 5 years. But it is starting to lose its steam because they are doing the same thing continually every single show. With the exception of Darren Young coming out at the end, nothing in the past month has really caught my attention and said oooohh. Let take a quick look at the members.

Wade Barrett: This guy rocks on the mic he definitely has the look to be a main eventer in the wwe and he is pretty good in the ring. Plus he is the leader of one of the biggest factions in wwe history, so how can ya not look god.

Skip Sheffield: I for one like this guy, reminds me of a young and not so boring batista. I think once he comes back he will jump into a feud with Barrett.

Heath Slater: Maybe its just me, this guy doesnt do it for me. he doesn't have the look or the personality. He is as cheesy and aged cheddar. Not so bad in the ring tho, but that doesnt count for anything these days.

David Otunga: This guy is dreadful. I hit mute when he gets on the mic. His voice is so monotone and he sounds like an idiot when he talks. He has an alright physique but when next to guys like sheffield and Barrett, it doesnt do him much justice.

Michael Tarver- This guy is pretty decent, havent really seen much from him but am excited to see where they go with his character after the Nexus angle. Good on the mic and solid in the ring.

Darren Young(not really in nexus but was): Didn't like him at first but now he is kinda growing on me. I like the hair for some reason. Scotty 2 hotty anyone? i hope he doesnt pull out a worm on Barrett on Monday. He is also good in the ring and on the mic.

Justin Gabriel: He fits into the group very nicely as they high flying superstar with the very beautifully executed 450 splash. not so great on the mic but everyone can improve.


I for one would like to see HHH return in the next month and be revealed as the Nexus leader and as they try to take over WWE, HHH and Barrett start to deabte over who really is the leader of Nexus and it will lead up to a great Wrestlemania 27 Match Barrett vs HHH.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

Sure for some it might be something to look forward to. But generally I don't see why anybody would get a hard on for hearing about John Cena vs Wade Barrett one on one, as opposed to the many other potential matches Wade could shine in.

The thing is that Wade and Cena has never happened in a "legitimate" one on one match. And with the fact the early part of NEXUS's plan was to take on Cena, the build up was already established, so why not have a one on one match? With that said, I am not discrediting anyone to have matches with people other than Cena. No. I am merely saying that Wade vs. Cena is a great match to look forward to as it will most likely be entertaining. Also, if the NEXUS storyline were to end with a match of Cena vs. Wade, I can only see profit in this. There won't be much of a downside. The ending would make sense. The only thing would be that the Cena "haters" would start saying stuff like.."OMFG! Cena?! WHY IS IT ALWAYS CENA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

So, again. Agree to disagree.

David haven't been wrestling for 2 years even, I've already addressed that. Give the guy a break, he'll get there eventually. Miz was awful to start with too I believe, and he's pretty much in the same situation as David Otunga, coming from television to wrestling. David would most likely rely on his microphone skills, just like The Miz.

Well my friend, that all depends on the luck of the draw. Its not entirely positive that he will get better. The difference between the Miz and David Otunga is that Miz had passion for the business since day one. He never gave up on his goal and strived to be the next "poster boy". He gave it his all, and what happend? He has [almost] made it to the top of mountain. Now whether Otunga has the same dedication as the Miz ddid, that will only be determined by the forthcoming months and/or years.

Add the fact that he can represent the company in public with his mainstream exposure, and you got a winner.[/

No. You just get another tool. Like I said, the chances of David Otunga getting better all depends on his commitment and his luck. As for, him getting publicity, in reality, that is the only reason the WWE would keep him (if we base things on how they are now). If Otunga can gardner publicity the way he does, WWE will want to keep him. The rankings of the first NXT poll say it all. Otunga wasn't that good yet he always ranked in the top. Now why was this? Because the fact that he was engaged to Hudson gardnered him publicity....something the E saw they could take advantage of.

Like I've already addressed, the guy is over and he's able to work in the ring. He's definitely not bad or anything in the ring. So there's nothing wrong with keeping him around, he could be a valuable asset to the mid-card.

So is Primo and look how far he's gone. Primo is over. His in-ring skills are descent. He's a jobber (low-carder). And most importantly, his mic skills are like Heath's..."meh".

There is nothing Heath Slater can offer to the mid-card talent other than filling another spot. Hell, even John Morrison would be more entertaining than Heath Slater.

Only thing I really have against this guy [Darren Young] right now is his theme. He's interesting and he has a good look (Not the John Cena one, though it probably helps him get over). Darren could definitely work in the mid-card as well, because he's seemingly charismatic and he can work in the ring

For me, its too early to tell. Like I said, at first I was under the impression that he really was the "weaker link"...but after seeing how he came out on Raw the other day, I have to wait and see what else he has...if he still has anything for that matter.

Triple H could very well grant them a great ending, Randy, Edge, Jericho, Undertaker, Sheamus etc. could do the very same thing. However it requires that we actually give them time to check out who they thrive the most with, who will they be able to develop the better feud with?

Edge-No. With all the things NEXUS has done, this guy is the one that has been involved the least. A finish concluding with Edge would be very lack-luster.

Sheamus-No. While he has been more involved more with NEXUS than Edge, I don't think he's the right person to take down the NEXUS. Maybe a forthcoming feud will be interesting...but still it will be more unsatisfactorable than satisfiable.

Undertaker-Maybe. NEXUS has already taken him down once leaving a possible feud for the two. However, Undertaker is good where he is now feuding wiht Kane (even if the feud has gotten a bit corny...Who is the devil's favorite?).

Side comment: Undertaker is old.

Triple H-possibly. But I don't like it very much. I would much rather hm being the true leader of NEXUS as this could be a possible way for Triple H to come back as a dominant heel like it was discussed (rumor) of how when Triple H would return, he would come back as a heel.

Randy Orton-Sure I can dig that. The story developing is rather interesting.

Chris Jericho-No. "His time is coming".

Others (Rey, Big Show, etc)

Because we don't know whether someone else has the potential to give them a bigger thing.

The thing here is that all the possible endings would only depend on the "luck of the draw". It has been said that NEXUS would end in October. And if it really does than, at this point in time, the most logical choice to take down NEXUS is Randy Orton.

But as to which I would prefer, I will obviously say John Cena.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I really hope the only way Triple H gets involved with Nexus is getting one of Wade's mean boots to the back of the head. And I am a Triple H Fan! He is apparently really hurt right now with a few injuries and is busy being family/pro wrestling business man. Raw doesn't need him around and Wade sure as in hell don't need someone outside of a dang laptop trying to control him.


I re-watched the opening promo from Raw. And just a few things I guess:

- I don't see how anyone can argue that Wade isn't the top heel of the show. For all his "green-ness", the man is hated. Like really. The way he milked that heat was just great. I am just confused as to why anyone doesn't think he is ready for his spot.

- I am starting to think they will lead to a mini-feud between Orton vs Barrett and prolly add Cena in the mix. Yeah, Barrett winning would open a whole lot more doors than anyone else in the six pack challenge.

- I still think Gabriel did a good job, but I am just dumbfounded as to what people see in Otunga and Traver.. And to extend, Heath Slater, but I don't think anyone has said he has had a good promo.

 

[newc868]

I just had a random thought about the Nexus... Darren Young has been kicked out and Barrett is still on top on the Nexus. Anyone else think that Barrett could order more evictions from the group and slowly one by one Young, Tarver, Slater and Gabriel turn against him?

I mean the 'higher power' of the Nexus could then be Chris Jericho - saying I built you, now I can break you down. Just a thought that I thought could fit for the eventual break up.

 

[Ferbian]

The thing is that Wade and Cena has never happened in a "legitimate" one on one match. And with the fact the early part of NEXUS's plan was to take on Cena, the build up was already established, so why not have a one on one match? With that said, I am not discrediting anyone to have matches with people other than Cena. No. I am merely saying that Wade vs. Cena is a great match to look forward to as it will most likely be entertaining. Also, if the NEXUS storyline were to end with a match of Cena vs. Wade, I can only see profit in this. There won't be much of a downside. The ending would make sense. The only thing would be that the Cena "haters" would start saying stuff like.."OMFG! Cena?! WHY IS IT ALWAYS CENA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

So, again. Agree to disagree.

Profit is of course always gonna come out of John Cena, no matter the opponent as long as the heel is big enough. Nexus is big enough of a heel to make it work, I get that. However the match doesn't automatically have to be the end. Really it shouldn't even be the end, because the faction should break up by themselves if anything. Having John Cena vs Wade Barrett accomplishes more for Wade than for the faction itself.

Well my friend, that all depends on the luck of the draw. Its not entirely positive that he will get better. The difference between the Miz and David Otunga is that Miz had passion for the business since day one. He never gave up on his goal and strived to be the next "poster boy". He gave it his all, and what happend? He has [almost] made it to the top of mountain. Now whether Otunga has the same dedication as the Miz ddid, that will only be determined by the forthcoming months and/or years.

And David does not have passion for the business? To be the poster boy? There's no denying that anybody going into the business who has exposure at some higher level is definitely not gonna rely on the business if they don't want to. David wants to be there just as bad I'm certain. Especially considering the guy is from Harvard, he could do anything, but he choose wrestling.

Otunga has just as much potential to be big as The Miz had potential to be big back then, they just need to capitalize on it properly.

No. You just get another tool. Like I said, the chances of David Otunga getting better all depends on his commitment and his luck. As for, him getting publicity, in reality, that is the only reason the WWE would keep him (if we base things on how they are now). If Otunga can gardner publicity the way he does, WWE will want to keep him. The rankings of the first NXT poll say it all. Otunga wasn't that good yet he always ranked in the top. Now why was this? Because the fact that he was engaged to Hudson gardnered him publicity....something the E saw they could take advantage of.

Right now yes it's one of the only reasons he'd be kept around. Of course that would be discrediting his look and ability on the microphone completely, but yes it's one of the only reasons to keep him around. David is able to pull in new viewers by giving that exposure he gets around Hudson and his own fame from reality and a movie or two I believe.

How is that not a winner, except for a tool? Again, it requires that he's used properly yes, but it's still a potential winner.

So is Primo and look how far he's gone. Primo is over. His in-ring skills are descent. He's a jobber (low-carder). And most importantly, his mic skills are like Heath's..."meh".

Heath is more over than Primo, as well as he's one of the few Nexus guys that can brag about pinning a world champion in singles competition, as well as 2 world champions when they separately held the championships. How is that not pushing him just a little bit? He was accomplished on NXT, and he is definitely more than just a future jobber.

There is nothing Heath Slater can offer to the mid-card talent other than filling another spot. Hell, even John Morrison would be more entertaining than Heath Slater.

John is shit. I've uttered that quite often in the past few months. Slater however is not shit. There's really nothing more to say to that, because it's true, and you know it.

For me, its too early to tell. Like I said, at first I was under the impression that he really was the "weaker link"...but after seeing how he came out on Raw the other day, I have to wait and see what else he has...if he still has anything for that matter.

Darren might have been the weaker link. He was the first eliminated rookie on NXT, as well as he was barely over. He bored the crowd as well as the IWC (Which isn't really an accomplishment, but it's still something compared to the others). Darren has potential to go places though, he has the potential to get over. As long as he keeps playing the serious role and doesn't revert back to the god awful peppy persona.

Edge-No. With all the things NEXUS has done, this guy is the one that has been involved the least. A finish concluding with Edge would be very lack-luster.

That could change. Randy Orton have only recently started to be involved in The Nexus as well, however it's building up to be a nice feud for certain.

Sheamus-No. While he has been more involved more with NEXUS than Edge, I don't think he's the right person to take down the NEXUS. Maybe a forthcoming feud will be interesting...but still it will be more unsatisfactorable than satisfiable.

He was the one allied with them up until recently. Could be a nice change of pace to have him being one of the final ones to bash the faction down to earth. However I'm not sure it's where WWE will be going no, but there's definitely a possibility.

Undertaker-Maybe. NEXUS has already taken him down once leaving a possible feud for the two. However, Undertaker is good where he is now feuding wiht Kane (even if the feud has gotten a bit corny...Who is the devil's favorite?).

Certainly it's where he's better off yes. However, we shouldn't discredit the potential after the Kane / Undertaker feud. Especially considering while rumors is that Nexus ends around October, there's still chances of pulling something interesting to make it work up till Undertaker is free on the feud marked.

Triple H-possibly. But I don't like it very much. I would much rather hm being the true leader of NEXUS as this could be a possible way for Triple H to come back as a dominant heel like it was discussed (rumor) of how when Triple H would return, he would come back as a heel.

Nexus doesn't need a leader. Wade as well as The Nexus gets more out of being their own owners rather than minions of some higher power.

Triple H would give them a good feud though. He always does, and he'd make the faction look good, like he did with Legacy (Randy looked strong putting out Triple H, as well as they did pretty well with Legacy, until Hell in a Cell)

Randy Orton-Sure I can dig that. The story developing is rather interesting.

So we agree on something.

Chris Jericho-No. "His time is coming".

Arguable. He could very well be around for a while to go, and then there's the chance of him feuding with Wade, who is his rookie. There's a storyline somewhere in that.

Others (Rey, Big Show, etc)

Agreed. Big Show has a little bit of potential though, he's big and he dominated The Straight Edge Society.

The thing here is that all the possible endings would only depend on the "luck of the draw". It has been said that NEXUS would end in October. And if it really does than, at this point in time, the most logical choice to take down NEXUS is Randy Orton.

Exactly. John Cena right now doesn't look to be the final guy. However there's still a lot of possibilities available, so who knows how it's gonna end. I'm just saying John isn't the only possibility, and he necessarily isn't the best either.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I don't get the Otunga mic skills hub hub. The actually tone of his voice is timid, not assertive. The actually content is bad, not good. But most of all, he is just not interesting. He is a relatively short body builder with really crappy fades [in his hair] who always looks like he is about to cry when they do a close up of him. I am suppose to think all that summed up equals good mic skills?

And I still think Traver is blah. You guys say he is good at acting and all, but come on. He whole thing is about being an "unleashed pit bull" but he stumbles around in the ring, his promos lack any intensity and you can always get a six-foot-something guy who is a body builder. Heck, Nexus had 4 of them from the get go (Gabriel was a fitness model lol). If you slap Traver in the mid card RIGHT NOW, he would look no better than Orlando Jordon did back whenever he was still doing the 'Buckwheat" look. In fact, Traver reminds me of Jordon, but with much more muscle mass.


If you are talking about potential for like actually growth, I think Gabriel is the only one with it. (We all know Wade just needs the actually experience) Gabriel just needs to get over his stage fright. He moves well, is a good seller, and has proven he is more than just a cute smile on a nice guy as far as playing a character goes. His English mic skills may not like ever be knock your socks off, but he at least is charming enough to where you really don't mind it.

 

[rkomania25]

And David does not have passion for the business? To be the poster boy? There's no denying that anybody going into the business who has exposure at some higher level is definitely not gonna rely on the business if they don't want to. David wants to be there just as bad I'm certain. Especially considering the guy is from Harvard, he could do anything, but he choose wrestling.

Otunga has just as much potential to be big as The Miz had potential to be big back then, they just need to capitalize on it properly.

I Disagree, his promos suck he doesn't seem like he is very involved in what he is saying. It sounds like he is reading notes off his hand in English class. He definitely does not have the "look" to be a top star in WWE. He is barely involved in the Nexus angle, he is just a filler in the group and I have a feeling he will be the next to leave. plus whats up with his hair, it looks like its painted on or something, No gimmick what so ever. He is a short, somewhat mucscular guy that stumbled into wrestling one day and now he is somehow involved in the biggest angle in wwe right now. I just dont get it.

Heath is more over than Primo, as well as he's one of the few Nexus guys that can brag about pinning a world champion in singles competition, as well as 2 world champions when they separately held the championships. How is that not pushing him just a little bit? He was accomplished on NXT, and he is definitely more than just a future jobber.

Heath Slater is not over with anyone, I don't buy into his one man rock band crap or whatever he says. Much like Otunga, he is just a filler. Another person in the group to make them look more intimidating. He has an average build with goofy looking hair and the most boring personality I have ever seen in wwe. I won't complain about his in ring ability but nowadays, does that really even matter? I for one think it does but the millions of kids under 12 could care less and unfortunately thats who vince cares about more, not the people who watched it the first 30 years and got the wwe to where it is now, but i digress. Slater doesn't have what it takes to make it on his own after the nexus angle.