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**MERGED** (OFFICIAL) TNA General Complaint Thread

Nice counter-argument. You really showed me the flaws in my logic.

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Nobody was "stolen." This isn't a slave-trade, broski. Vince simply out bid other promotions, and the wrestlers made their own choice to head to New York. You can't sit there and blame the WWF for being a group of terrible people when, with YOUR logic, I could sit on internet forums all day and complain about TNA "stealing" Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, Booker T., and Ric Flair.



It sounds like the power of the talent (or lack thereof), to me. Vince didn't want the guys, so Vince didn't get them. They could have found jobs elsewhere, like in the WCW (which became bigger than the WWF for a long time, if you remember) or in the independent circuit. Or they could've turned down Vince's offer.

Your lack of specific details (or even facts, for that matter) just tells me that you're making completely baseless and paranoid accusations. Give me some examples, then, of wrestlers who went without food and homes, as you so eloquently put it.


LOL why give them to you... Do some research and look them up.

Btw most of those guys ( other than Angle ) were out of WWE for some time

And regardless of the talent, they still got laid off their job.... Losing a big time job like that was quite a hardship for some of those guys ( esp the ones that didnt spend wisely )
 
LOL why give them to you... Do some research and look them up.

Because I'm not making the argument, you are. I'm not going to do your homework for you. You're making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

Btw most of those guys ( other than Angle ) were out of WWE for some time

And regardless of the talent, they still got laid off their job.... Losing a big time job like that was quite a hardship for some of those guys ( esp the ones that didnt spend wisely )

But you're not giving me proof that these people went homeless and food-less. The guys who lost their jobs and didn't get invited to go into the WWF either went to WWE, went to another country, went to the independent circuit, or found another job.

I'm not here to prove your arguments for you. That's your job.
 
Oh, damn, you're right. Your analogy totally applies.

Except for the fact that the Yankees get beat in the World Series/playoffs year in and year out.

Your argument is terrible, you're making the argument that the wrestlers had absolutely zero choice but to move to the WWF, and you're making it with a straight face.

You do know the Yankees are the world champions right? Not to mention theyve almost been in every ALCS in the last 14 years. Which means that they've been buying their team and several businesses suffer cause of it.

Omg wow you can see my face through a computer screen... Thats kind of scary in a stalkerish sort of way
 
One more thing before I make my grand exit.... TNA hasnt really lost their fanbase.... Theyve been hovering around the 1.0 mark, which is what they were doing before Jan 4th. And before you guys bring up last weeks ratings, note that they were battling the monster that was HBK's retirement.
 
Because I'm not making the argument, you are. I'm not going to do your homework for you. You're making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.



But you're not giving me proof that these people went homeless and food-less. The guys who lost their jobs and didn't get invited to go into the WWF either went to WWE, went to another country, went to the independent circuit, or found another job.

I'm not here to prove your arguments for you. That's your job.
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Homework? This isnt a school so homework isnt a requirement.
FYI it takes time to find another job. And when they did were they being paid enoght to cover bills, mortages, family costs etc?
 
One more thing before I make my grand exit.... TNA hasnt really lost their fanbase.... Theyve been hovering around the 1.0 mark, which is what they were doing before Jan 4th. And before you guys bring up last weeks ratings, note that they were battling the monster that was HBK's retirement.

Back in the Spring/Summer of 2009 they were doing 1.2s with a much smaller wage and production bill. Your point?

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Homework? This isnt a school so homework isnt a requirement.
FYI it takes time to find another job. And when they did were they being paid enoght to cover bills, mortages, family costs etc?

Once again Ill introduce to my friend capitalism. The Wrestling business isnt obligated to employ them. If they cant find employment elsewhere is their own fault for not having a back up plan whether it is investments or a marketable skill.
 
IMO, an IMO only... TNA is being run into the ground by the "Leg Drop of Doom". He came in to save the product... but he brought a bunch of his cronies along and, well they will be done sooner rather than later. I bet he is bullying Dixie around behind the scenes and him and Bischoff are yucking it up about how great they are doing. The company will not around this time last year. Mark my words. And there you have it.
 
Mr ratings having read through this thread I can only assume you've been smoking some "special" substances and your stash is clearly stronger then mine so I would like to know what it is?

Vince never stole anyone, if they had legally binding contracts then Vince would've been taken to the clearners back when he was expanding and it would've crippled the WWF. Yes he suggested that people stop working elsewhere immediately and start working for him but, if you was in charge of a company in a very competitive industry surely you would want the best working for you asap to help improve your business? Was it fair to the other territories? No. Should Vince feel bad about it? Again no, he did what was best for him and his business, as each and every wrestler did when they chose to go to WWF (Or AWA or ECW,etc) they did what was best for them. Yes there were more jobs back in the day but if it'd stayed with the territories wrestling wouldn't have blown up like it did (because the circus couldn't come to every town so to speak) and the guys wouldn't be earning what they are today. Fact is if you was a good enough wrestler you went to WCW/NWA if you had the look and charisma you went to WWF. If you didn't make it to them it's because you couldn't cut it on an international stage and why give money to someone who can't do a job when you could pay someone who can?

As for your comments about the drugs before Wrestlemania and the such with your quoting as 10-15 wrestlers have said it. Can I remind you this is the industry where Ken Anderson is still saying shit about taking steroids, where Hogan claims people never cared about Sammartino vs Zabysko (sp) and were only there for Hogan vs Andre at Shea Stadium and, routinely, they all say that drink and drugs are a thing of the past, etc. I'd take anything any wrestler says with a pinch of salt, except for Alex Shane, as he used to let me in a nightclub in London he used to be a bouncer at when I was underage because, in his word, "I feel cool when people recognise me"

As for TNA, they have many issues that need addressing. The pushing of, and longing for, acts and angles from the attitude era is never going to be anything other the the nostalga vibe. The only reason I'm happy WWE brought back Bret Hart for Mania is now, at last, surely it means the end of all those crap references to "Montreal" which can only make me happier.
I like Russo as a person, I like Hogan as a personality and I like the shit that Bischoff says but, it just seems they've got all the pieces to make a f'n awesome puzzle there, but they can't seem to put them all in the right places. Dixie is great being so involved but, to me, she comes across as a bit of a mark who's star-struck around the big names working there. I dont blame her for that as that's exactly how I'd be if I was the boss of people like Angel/Hogan/Nash, etc but, I'm not so I can admit that, she is and needs to find a way to basically smash their heads together to get things changed a bit. Fact is when USA network is unhappy with Raw they speak to Vince McMahon and he listens so perhaps someone from Spike stepping in might help TNA. It might not but, as the confusion of the shows is proving, it's faulty there at the moment
 
OK I think honestly there are pros and cons to TNA right now and while not everyone will agree with me I will point them out for you...

Pro - Most of the entertaining matches come from the X-Division which guys that size on WWE (Evan Bourne, Chavo, etc.) get aired as a squash match, but on a house show card these guys tear up similar to the X-Division.

Con - While we all like nostalgia amd we see this a lot with guest host choices (Dibiase, Hart, Austin) the only relevant "legend" that has done anything since moving to Monday is Sting. The band has only beat up EY and Hogan and well themselves, Flair wrestled one match and got bloody, and Hogan is stuck in these funny yet rediculous promos with Black machismo (I see Machismo teaming up with Abyss to "re-form" the mega powers). So really the legends aren't bringing anything entertaining yet to the table.

Pro - There is 10x more wrestling on Impact then there is on Raw. I like the fact that I see usually these 5-20 minutes worth of promos, but still produce 5-8 matches.

Con - Raw and Impact have done the same thing lately and that is this long drawn out promo to hype up what you'll see tonight. I honestly didn't care about Swagger and Otunga and Batista and Cena and Orton talking about who will fight who, and I know you want to announce team Hogan and Flair, but start us with wrestling to keep us watching in the beginning.

Pro - They're rotating wrestlers to give them TV time. Hamada finally appeared on TV after Kong decided to ask for her release. They had 80% of the X-Division on TV in the last month, while Homicide hasn't had anything in the last few months since world elite split up.

Con - They are having a hard time with their transitions into commercials during the live stuff, Hogan and Tenay get cut off in the middle of saying something, and you feel like you get cut off in the moment, and that leaves us confused and wondering if it was important to keep watching.

That's a good portion of it I had a few more pros and cons, but you get the picture.
 
All too simple.

The X-Division is getting the shaft so we can squeeze a little more lame Hogan/Flair angles in. "The Band" is just pathetic these days and they keep getting more airtime. The Knockouts were one of the best things going on Impact, now they are relevant as the WWE Divas and make me want to change the channel too. Come on... Hand away the title? Way to make it prestigious!!
 
OK I think honestly there are pros and cons to TNA right now and while not everyone will agree with me I will point them out for you...

Pro - Most of the entertaining matches come from the X-Division which guys that size on WWE (Evan Bourne, Chavo, etc.) get aired as a squash match, but on a house show card these guys tear up similar to the X-Division.

Con - While we all like nostalgia amd we see this a lot with guest host choices (Dibiase, Hart, Austin) the only relevant "legend" that has done anything since moving to Monday is Sting. The band has only beat up EY and Hogan and well themselves, Flair wrestled one match and got bloody, and Hogan is stuck in these funny yet rediculous promos with Black machismo (I see Machismo teaming up with Abyss to "re-form" the mega powers). So really the legends aren't bringing anything entertaining yet to the table.

Pro - There is 10x more wrestling on Impact then there is on Raw. I like the fact that I see usually these 5-20 minutes worth of promos, but still produce 5-8 matches.

Con - Raw and Impact have done the same thing lately and that is this long drawn out promo to hype up what you'll see tonight. I honestly didn't care about Swagger and Otunga and Batista and Cena and Orton talking about who will fight who, and I know you want to announce team Hogan and Flair, but start us with wrestling to keep us watching in the beginning.

Pro - They're rotating wrestlers to give them TV time. Hamada finally appeared on TV after Kong decided to ask for her release. They had 80% of the X-Division on TV in the last month, while Homicide hasn't had anything in the last few months since world elite split up.

Con - They are having a hard time with their transitions into commercials during the live stuff, Hogan and Tenay get cut off in the middle of saying something, and you feel like you get cut off in the moment, and that leaves us confused and wondering if it was important to keep watching.

That's a good portion of it I had a few more pros and cons, but you get the picture.

i agree with you on almost everything except for one or 2 things, first being the point about Tna having more wrestling, sure TNA had more match last night then WWE but how many matches on the TNA broadcast lasted more then a few minutes. If i remember correctly the was only one long matches in the entire broadcast. The global championship match lasted 3 minutes, the tag match lasted 5 or 6 minutes the x-division matches didn'T last long either the desmond wolfe vs pope was lasted 3 minutes and the knockout clusterfest lasted about 6 or 7 minutes.

speaking of the knockouts, did Hamada actually got T.V. time last night because i don'T even remember seeing here at all. They did everything in their powers to hide here during the promo until they had no choice but to acknowledge the fact she was there. Then again they hide here during the entrance of her team and the only time she actually wrestle was during the commercial break, so i'm glad Hamada came back but she really was an afterthought last night and i wouldn't be surprise if she gets release soon.

Outside of that, i completly agree with you, TNA and WWE both have good stuff and bad stuff going for them but it just lately, The bad stuff seem to be Highlighted more in TNA then WWE.
 
So, Stormlor, where are you getting this information that the Motorcity Machine Guns are gone from TNA? I feel like you are making a HUGE assumption because they are working like two dates for ROH. If you are going to try and make a point about something, use facts, not something you think might possibly maybe be a fact.

As far as TNA goes, I don't see what the big deal is everyone. I'm enjoying it as I have been, for the most part, for the last year and a half when I started getting back into wrestling and watching this great company. TNA saved me from WWE, cuz I was about to stop watching wrestling all together again because of WWE until I found out about TNA.
 
Couple of months ago when the WWE started going PG full time and implemented the guest host concept, I began getting bored with the product. TNA offered an alternative to the stale and repetitive programming on USA. I’ve never been a fan of a particular promotion over the other…I just want to watch a good show. WWE didn’t do that, and at the time TNA did. It was must see TV for me. Things happened that I haven’t seen in years in professional wrestling. I couldn’t stop watching it, and only took a break because a commercial was on. It was good up until they changed the ring from 6 sides to 4 sides. I’m not saying that 4 sides is a problem, because I want and prefer 4 sides…but that is a point in history where TNA seemed to go astray.

From there AJ the face of the company turned heel. Hogan and Bischoff got too much airtime. Old guys started getting pushes, and the segments started getting ridiculous. Other than Anderson/Angle (which has thus far very quietly been my pick for feud of the year), there is nothing else that would even have me consider putting it on Spike on Monday night. On the other channel is still the WWE which means that I may just have to take a break from wrestling because I’m not entertained. I can’t quite pinpoint the BIG thing that’s wrong with the TNA product, but it’s just a whole bunch of little things that come together and form a big heaping pile of shit. Abyss, Hogan/Bischoff, Flair, Wolfpac, Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Taz on commentary, the ramp going into the ring, the small Impact Zone, the music, Jeff Jarrett, Mick Foley, Desmond Wolfe constantly jobbing, the awful Impact Zone crowd, AJ as a heel, the awful promos that some people cut, has just gotten under my skin, and I can’t watch anymore. I can’t articulate it any more than by simply saying, “TNA is not fun to watch. It is actually unwatchable.” Hogan and Bischoff are doing a poor job creatively.
 
TNA's biggest problem is trying to compete with WWE. WWE has a much larger fan base, their production value is leaps and bounds ahead of TNA and their major names have mainstream crossover appeal.

The one thing TNA had going for them was actual wrestling. Before Hogan showed up TNA had compelling storylines that were backed up with amazing wrestling matches. TNA is basically trying to be a baby WWE at this point. It needs to stop. They need to go back to what brought them to the dance. WRESTLING. Thats the one area where TNA WCW and NWA have always bested WWE.

WWE is great at putting on fun Sports Entertainment shows. TNA is clearly not.

Another problem with TNA is the Entrance Music. most of it is pure garbage. I used to overlook it because I figured meh who cares about music when I'm about to get a great match. Now that I'm not getting great wrestling I'm starting to focus on the negatives.

I don't blame Daniels for leaving. He wasnt going anywhere. The X-Division is in nned of some help, and if it gets a shot in the arm it may be the thing that draws people to TNA besides the Knockouts. Douglas Williams is doing a fine job as X-Division champ but he needs people to work with.
 
Storm gives another good reason here:
http://www.stormwrestling.com/040610.html

Whats really left to say about that. Can anyone actual say TNA knows better than this? Im not sure I can.

I like how he doesn't mention anything else, but the chair shot. He is the only one on the planet that saw the chair shot and immediately thought about Chris Kanyon and writing a blog about it. I am so glad he was able to give us his run down of how the whole Impact turned out.
 
I mean yeah TNA does have its bad points... But even when the ALMIGHTY BIG 3 wrestling companies ( from 10 - 14 years ago ) were at their highest they each had a few bad points.. Bluedust ( ECW ) MIA ( WCW DX ripoffs ) Gillberg, Right to Censor ( WWE ) David Flair ( WCW )

I mean hell some of you damn wrestling fans are spoiled as fuck, expecting perfection all the damn time.

Listen to the words of Paul Heyman... Accentuate the positives, hide the negatives...

Or in this case just appreciate the positives. And enjoy the wrestling show.

Btw was that a pindrop I heard during the Vince/Bret match. The storyline setup was continued on Jan 4 with a weak kick in the nuts, and it ended with some of the wrestling fans feeling like they got kicked in the nuts.

Hide the negatives? TNA doesn't do a good job of it, and neither does WWE. I'm not looking for perfection, I'm looking for entertainment. I enjoy TNA because I enjoyed ECW and WCW. I never was a fan of WWE even when Austin and the Rock were in it. TNA hasn't done a good job hiding any backstage problems, contrary they are putting it on camera.
 
I really, really, really find it hard to see ANY positives with TNA now. I haven't been a fan of TNA for a long time, but I could at least see positives about it over the years, but now those positives seem all gone. I remember watching TNA when it first came on Spike and began to develop and I was interested, it actually felt like something different and unique. Maybe it was the small time atmosphere and the fact there'd been nothing else up until that moment, maybe it was elements within the product that actually WERE different.. like the X division, like a thriving tag team division, and fresh talent I wasn't as familiar with. But they've lost so much of that now and for a long time. But even worse then that, now their product is just garbage on every level.

It's all about Hogan. He, Bischoff and Flair are crammed down people's throats and taking the spotlight even now when it should be the exact opposite. The major storylines are still revolving around those old names, even when they're using young talent, pretending to push them, as a smoke screen for the storylines still being all about Hogan and Flair. AJ Styles, who was the face of the company and a phenomenal talent, has now lost everything that made him unique. He's been turned into a carbon copy of Flair and a horrible one at that. He's being so poorly used right now I swear they're trying to sabotage his career, because they're doing the opposite of what should be done with him. Then there's Abyss whose having the exact same thing done to him but replace Flair with Hogan and you have another horribly rehashed gimmick, as if Hogan and Flair want to find some eternal pool (through Styles and Abyss) where they can still be in the spotlight and be the center of the product.

Anything that made the Knockouts division good and the reason so many people praised it and claimed it was so much better then WWE's Divas is gone now. They've butchered it into a mess. The tag team division has fallen to new lows. To like the Angle/Anderson feud you must have to be an American or something because I find it entirely cliche and the storyline makes me groan and want to turn the channel, despite the talent of both people and the fact I truly enjoy Ken Anderson and like that he's getting a chance to shine. The excess use of blood is unecessary, they show a clear lack of common sense when it comes to the safety of their wrestlers in an era where things are different and should be (like chair shots to the head), and they're forcing Rob Terry, a talentless, roided up joke of a wrestler down our throats in a Goldberg like streak with a championship that means nothing. That kind of push only works in certain cases, and the person needs to have charisma and a presence for it to work. Rob Terry is the essence of the product itself; a joke.

The only positives I can think of are the Pope running with the ball he's being given, something I'd hoped he'd have the chance to do when I first started hoping TNA would sign him. I'm happy to see that's the case. I enjoy Desmond Wolfe, too a great deal. I also like Doug Williams and what he's been doing as X division champion so far, but then the division has nothing else to be optimistic about or to help Williams out in it.

Something desperately needs to change in TNA.. management, booking wise, and direction wise. But I don't see that happening, especially now.
 
That is pretty irresponsible of storm to throw steroid accusations at a dude he does not even know because storm's friends made poor choices.

It's not irresponsible at all. A person's body doesn't naturally get the way Rob Terry's is without some sort of "help". I don't care whether you or anyone else wants to pretend otherwise, it's not a natural physique. If TNA wants to ignore drug policy's and steroid problems because they're still second rate, a small company who the main stream doesn't care about, then that's fine for them. If they want to be irresponsible and still use chair shots to the head and other high risk things, as if the health of their wrestlers doesn't mean anything in a time where the risks and results of those things have now been proven to be dangerous and unsafe, then that's also fine for them. But they better be willing to also take the criticism and the backlash from doing so. If you think Rob Terry wouldn't be failing the Wellness Program if he was in the WWE or be released because of those problems, you're lying to yourself.
 
I like how he doesn't mention anything else, but the chair shot. He is the only one on the planet that saw the chair shot and immediately thought about Chris Kanyon and writing a blog about it.

That’s untrue I personally made the link and others online did too. Bryan Alverez labelled it “as quite the tribute to Chris Kanyon there.”

That is pretty irresponsible of storm to throw steroid accusations at a dude he does not even know because storm's friends made poor choices.

I think spending most of his adult life in the business as a drug free athlete he knows who and who isn’t using steroids. Let’s face it you don’t need to be an expert to see that either. Just look at Rob's gyno.

I wouldn’t call them poor choices full stop. We know a lot more about drug abuse, depression, mental health and concussions in addition how each can influence each other then most of the those wrestlers did as a result of recent medical research.
 
I as a wrestling show follower don't have a favorite company to watch. I usually watch the one that keep's me most interested on monday night. Now that Impact is on monday's I honestly think the next logical step for TNA would be to put a second show on thursday nights so they can get the use out of all the talent they have, and cannot show case on Impact.
Maybe the thursday show can be from a live show out on the road, and they will build the fan base. They are already on the road, and the camera's are there. I say utilize it, and run a second live or pre-recorded program on thursday nights.

Let me know your thought on this. Please no TNA haters, just wrestling fan's that want to see wrestling grow again to what it used to be.
 
i would love to see this tna have alot of superstars and some just not being used they could go around country to country gaining fans and some ratings on a thursday and use up underused superstars so it could be good for tna, but with reports of financial problems the cost of this could be a bit much for tna at the moment but nevertheless i would want to see this but it could be to much to soon for tna
 
I really think TNA nneds a big RE-Evaluation of things right now. When you look at the SHEER number of 'wrestlers' they have on their roster and compare to how many you see on a regular basis. First do a house cleaning, then decide who is worthy enough to be on shows regularly, and who needs to be jobbing until they are well trained enough. Or who should just go period. Re-think some of the story lines. Like how Eric Young seems to fit into EVERY DAMN storyline since last year!? He was trying to save JJ's moral crisis with MF, then with Sting against Kurt Angle, and he was then with World Elite, then he was with Kevin Nash, now with RVD and Hardy? How many times is someone gonna be given the ball to try to prove they are main event status? Let someone else take the ball...:banghead:

Expansion would be good for some, but not all. I think that expanding doesn't necessarily spell ratings, you have to look internally before you can go up.
 
Please no TNA haters, just wrestling fan's that want to see wrestling grow again to what it used to be.

Return to what capacity?

If you actually look at it, Mcmahon is returning his product to a more family oriented show which was the original format of the 80's. His reasoning in all honesty is to secure large sponsorships for his plans on creating his own television network. While many fans and TNA especially, are poking fun at Vince he's doing the correct thing to take his company to another level.

And to be honest i hear constantly, and not in regards to you, that so many people want diversity in the wrestling world. Well WWE gives its fans 3 cable TV shows, merchandising, videos, Internet broadcasts, 12-14 pay per views, the list goes on. Times have changed, the demographic for extreme violence or edgy story lines are reserved for the octagon and not sports entertainment. Wrestling is Mcmahons baby and you can't beat him at his own game, he is too creative, too powerful, and just plain too talented.

The ratings for TNA are so low and Mcmahon's increasing his revenue constantly, they will not reprise the monday night wars, TNA is not WCW, practically everyone in TNA has been released or fired by the WWE because they were'nt being received by the fans or putting people in seats any longer. Let's not be naive, wrestling has changed and Mcmahon knows how to keep up with the change, TNA doesnt.
 
Return to what capacity?

If you actually look at it, Mcmahon is returning his product to a more family oriented show which was the original format of the 80's. His reasoning in all honesty is to secure large sponsorships for his plans on creating his own television network. While many fans and TNA especially, are poking fun at Vince he's doing the correct thing to take his company to another level.

And to be honest i hear constantly, and not in regards to you, that so many people want diversity in the wrestling world. Well WWE gives its fans 3 cable TV shows, merchandising, videos, Internet broadcasts, 12-14 pay per views, the list goes on. Times have changed, the demographic for extreme violence or edgy story lines are reserved for the octagon and not sports entertainment. Wrestling is Mcmahons baby and you can't beat him at his own game, he is too creative, too powerful, and just plain too talented.

The ratings for TNA are so low and Mcmahon's increasing his revenue constantly, they will not reprise the monday night wars, TNA is not WCW, practically everyone in TNA has been released or fired by the WWE because they were'nt being received by the fans or putting people in seats any longer. Let's not be naive, wrestling has changed and Mcmahon knows how to keep up with the change, TNA doesnt.

I agree 100% !!!!!!!!

The difference between Hogan Era and Vince is that he knows when time moves on and its time to do something new. He saw the writing on the wall when he told Heyman " Now that you are on Network TV, you can't be as violent as you were . " He is ahead of his time which makes him a genius.

Yes there are fans that want to see the old stuff but it's not selling out stadiums and causing people to buy merchandise.

TNA will never win a ratings war. There is no need to try. What TNA should do is be AVIS .

[ For those to young to remember, Hertz was the #1 Rental Car Company in every measure. AVIS realized it and turned it into a fortune..." We are No.2 Try us , Why? We Try Harder " was the slogan ]

TNA needs to focus on providing good content and doing what they do best. X Division, Knockouts and Action.

No Diva-lites, Legends , Wrestlers 2.0 or WCW 2.0 or Shock Value.

If I want Shock then I will watch CZW. They do it better than anything Hogan or Bischoff could ever think of. And even with thier ultra violence, they have some of the most innovative matches I have ever seen. And you know what: They pack more butts in Philly than TNA does on the Road.

There is hope for TNA but it will start when they take an honest look at who they are and just be the best at what they can do.
 

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