**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[The Champ]

Have you guys ever thought that, in a weird twisted kind of way that Cena is already a heel masquarading as a face. Cena turning heel would actually in a way be a face turn. So what if the kids and women start hating him. However, I don't think they would. Look at CM Punk. The kids and women are starting to come around and actually like and cheer him now. They even buy Punk's merchandise.

Well, Punk is a face. That would explain why women and kids are starting to like him.

If Cena turns heel and says he doesn't care about any of his fans anymore, the women and kids won't like him anymore. Not only that, but it wouldn't even make sense. Why would he abandon the people who have been loyal to him throughout his career, while he had so many haters ready to tear him down? That just makes him look like an idiot.

The idea of becoming more aggressive towards the haters is one thing, and is a necessary avenue to explore. A full heel turn isn't necessary. Plenty of people still love the guy and pour money into the WWE's pockets through him, and they would be absolute morons to abandon that.

 

[Alittude]

It's been quite some time since Cena wasn't treated as a heel for all intensive purposes. I blame the WWE for mismanaging the creative direction of his character. Much as they have dropped the ball IMO with John Morrison, WM 27 (other than Orton/Punk) and countless other situations, they have done the same with Cena. Everything seemed to go downhill when the "Chain Gang" went out and the "Cenation" came in. This seemed to signal the demise of all that was good about the Cena character: hilarious freestyle raps, the FU & STFU being replaced by the AA & STF and generally taking the killer instincts away from the character while still trying to push him with these boring, p*ssy ass replacements that KILLED his appeal to everyone but pre pubecent kids and teenage girls.

Just a thought that I thought I'd get you guys' opinion on. Since the WWE is obviously dead set on never making Cena a full fledged heel character, what if they made him more of a CM Punk, (f*ck everyone, I'm gonna do my own thing) character. Drop the "Cenation" and bring back the "Chain Gang" and stop the smiling and kissing babies shit and just let the rest fall into place. IMO, that would at least make the overall main event picture a little more entertaining again since we all know that he's not gonna be far from it.

What do you guys think?

Lmao dude, the chain gang was so corny and douchey I mean just say it out loud it's cringe worthy. It was before that when Cena was at his most entertaining and on his way to superstardom. That's when he was given more freedom and was fresh instead of being over pushed as the same character for over 5 years becoming more and more stale and mostly appealing to children.

A heel turn will be groundbreaking and could totally reinvent his career and have the attention of the entire audience not just half. It could be similar to Hogan's heel turn as Cena is one of the biggest goody goody babyfaces of all time and it would grab the attention of everyone. Kids would be so emotionally invested and be begging for a new hero so you could elevate someone else while also having your biggest superstar have a bunch of new feuds and material that could last for a few years. This would also help elevate Cena's career as a whole and would make everyone respect him a hell of a lot more in the end.

Anyway back to the topic of comparing Cena to the Rock haha wow if anyone really thinks Cena is anywhere near the Rock's level then they are delusional. If Cena was around during the Rock's prime he would have never gotten close to being the top star as he is nowhere near as entertaining in the ring and especially not on the mic. I don't have to say how good the Rock is because we all know it and Cena is still one the best of this generation but this generation really has nothing on the attitude era talent wise. People like Del Rio, Mark Henry, The Great Khali, Jack Swagger and many many more would have never gotten close to a title shot in the Rock's time. It's silly to say the talent is anywhere near on the level as it was back then because it's obviously not. The Crowds hardly care about most superstars now when they use to be extremely invested in nearly the whole card top to bottom.

Anyway ranting a bit and going off topic aside I'm hoping Cena on Piper's Pit last week and walking away seemling like a bit of a whimp will lead to something bigger and much mroe exciting with Cena and ths feud. I don't know if it will be a full turn or just a slight tweak to his character but I hope and feel something might be coming to really kick start this feud. I don't think they are going to make Cena look that weak going into the feud unless that's there plan to try to make it look like an upset when Cena wins, that would suck though as it would be an all too familiar ending. I'm hoping Cena starts going off on the the fans atleats the one's that boo him and it brings out his firery side. Cena has been best this year when someone pushes him as he has had some amazing exchanges with CM Punk and The Rock on the mic showing the slightest side of his earlier edgy persona. I just hope they use this massive feud as a platform to finally evolve Cena a bit more and not just try to sell it on their names along along with lazy booking.

 

[The Champ]

A heel turn will be groundbreaking and could totally reinvent his career and have the attention of the entire audience not just half. It could be similar to Hogan's heel turn as Cena is one of the biggest goody goody babyfaces of all time and it would grab the attention of everyone. Kids would be so emotionally invested and be begging for a new hero so you could elevate someone else while also having your biggest superstar have a bunch of new feuds and material that could last for a few years. This would also help elevate Cena's career as a whole and would make everyone respect him a hell of a lot more in the end.

I find it funny that the main argument for Cena turning heel is that it would "get everyone's attention, not just half the audience." Cena already has the entire audience's attention. The people who boo him are giving him just as much attention as the people who cheer him. If we're talking about attention, Cena has more of that than perhaps any other active wrestler in WWE, because everyone reacts strongly about him one way or another. So why does he have to do something drastic to gain what he already has?

 

[PunkNation26]

I never said that a Cena heel turn meant turning his back on the "women and kids." My definition of a "heel" turn was actually a face turn for the 17-35 male demographic. Just using that number as an example. If Cena stopped with his cheesy promos and stopped pandering, grew a set of balls and verbally beat people down, faces and heels alike, and would STOP with that HORRIBLE move sequence in his matches (shoulder blocks, spin out bomb, five knuckle shuffle), he could then be cheered by the whole audience.

If the women (his diehard fans) that cheer him are petty enough to not like him because he stops acting goody goody, then it just proves that they shouldn't be watching wrestling in the first place.

 

[Alittude]

I find it funny that the main argument for Cena turning heel is that it would "get everyone's attention, not just half the audience." Cena already has the entire audience's attention. The people who boo him are giving him just as much attention as the people who cheer him. If we're talking about attention, Cena has more of that than perhaps any other active wrestler in WWE, because everyone reacts strongly about him one way or another. So why does he have to do something drastic to gain what he already has?

Because he has been the same character for nearly 7 years why do you think the boo's started in the first place. Why is this so hard to understand? No one else goes that long without changing character hardly at all. Also no he doesn't have everyone's attention people use to ignore him but when WWE have made him the the center of attention for years hogging the spotlight so people were forced to react, it doesn't mean people are entertained by him or his matches. Cena has been awesome against Punk and Rock this year but let's face his other feuds have sucked and been predictable. Stop acting like the boo's came from him doing something good they came from him being stale. A turn or at least a change of character would reinvent him a bit and breathe new life into him. Why are you so hellbent on him being the same? Do you want him to be the same character forever? Wouldn't you want for him to do something new and exciting if your such a fan?

 

[Da Prophet]

Because he has been the same character for nearly 7 years why do you think the boo's started in the first place. Why is this so hard to understand? No one else goes that long without changing character hardly at all.

The character works though. John Cena is the top draw in professional wrestling at the moment. The guy grabs the attention of the fans and it doesn't matter if you boo him or cheer him, he always gets a reaction. Why change a character that gets so much response from the people? If the fan really wanted to hurt Cena then they would remain silent but they don't. People react to Cena in both a positive and negative way but at the end of the day it is a response. The character gets a reaction and that is the purpose of it.

Also no he doesn't have everyone's attention people use to ignore him but when WWE have made him the the center of attention for years hogging the spotlight so people were forced to react, it doesn't mean people are entertained by him or his matches.

Wrong. John Cena does have the attention of the fans, he gets one of the biggest response from the crowd each week he appears. The guy is entertaining so people are drawn in to reacting, others hate him so they boo. Nobody is forced to react, they do it by themselves. Cena is the type of guy you can't just ignore, you need to share your opinion. He has the attention of everyone, he has entire audience standing when he comes out each and every time.

Cena has been awesome against Punk and Rock this year but let's face his other feuds have sucked and been predictable.

Once again wrong. I was once a Cena hater but then I really started to enjoy watching Cena wrestle. The guy has talent and to say his past feuds have sucked is ignorant. The WWE Championship feud with JBL was very good and it was finished by an incredible I Quit match. His feud with Edge over his career was great and it had several entertaining matches including Summerslam, Unforgiven, Backlash even the match at New Years Revolution. Cena has also been involved with some exciting feuds with Triple H leading up to WrestleMania 22, Shawn Michaels leading up to WrestleMania 23, Batista for WrestleMania 26, Chris Jericho in the final months of 2008 and to end my list I'll throw in Randy Orton. All of the feuds I mentioned above had great matches and were entertaining. It's easy to say Cena has sucked in the past but the fact is he hasn't. John has shown time and time again he is one of the very best in the business today, even if people don't want to admit it he can wrestle. John Cena is the best on the microphone in professional wrestling today and that includes CM Punk. His ability to handle what the crowd throws at him and the way he uses it to his advantage during a promo shows how skilled he is.

Wouldn't you want for him to do something new and exciting if your such a fan?

What Cena does is entertaining and people would see this if they didn't come down on everything he did. The internet gives Cena so much crap that he doesn't deserve. Cena doesn't need to change because what he is doing is interesting. His character gets the attention of the fans and that is the entire point of the business. Without the attention of the people you should just end it. Cena draws money for the company, he draws ratings, the guy is pushed to the main event of WrestleMania because he is a star. Why change that? If something is working you don't fix it. Until Cena stops bringing in money then why change? What he is doing works. Face Cena = money for Vince and he knows it. While some would like to see Cena change it isn't needed. For years Cena has used the same character but it is still working. His character is all able rising above hate which is a great message to send. I don't see the point in changing him from being that to a bad guy. If you want a rebel go watch CM Punk.

 

[Alittude]

[QUOTE="Hollywood" Prophet;3564710]The character works though. John Cena is the top draw in professional wrestling at the moment. The guy grabs the attention of the fans and it doesn't matter if you boo him or cheer him, he always gets a reaction. Why change a character that gets so much response from the people? If the fan really wanted to hurt Cena then they would remain silent but they don't. People react to Cena in both a positive and negative way but at the end of the day it is a response. The character gets a reaction and that is the purpose of it.



Wrong. John Cena does have the attention of the fans, he gets one of the biggest response from the crowd each week he appears. The guy is entertaining so people are drawn in to reacting, others hate him so they boo. Nobody is forced to react, they do it by themselves. Cena is the type of guy you can't just ignore, you need to share your opinion. He has the attention of everyone, he has entire audience standing when he comes out each and every time.



Once again wrong. I was once a Cena hater but then I really started to enjoy watching Cena wrestle. The guy has talent and to say his past feuds have sucked is ignorant. The WWE Championship feud with JBL was very good and it was finished by an incredible I Quit match. His feud with Edge over his career was great and it had several entertaining matches including Summerslam, Unforgiven, Backlash even the match at New Years Revolution. Cena has also been involved with some exciting feuds with Triple H leading up to WrestleMania 22, Shawn Michaels leading up to WrestleMania 23, Batista for WrestleMania 26, Chris Jericho in the final months of 2008 and to end my list I'll throw in Randy Orton. All of the feuds I mentioned above had great matches and were entertaining. It's easy to say Cena has sucked in the past but the fact is he hasn't. John has shown time and time again he is one of the very best in the business today, even if people don't want to admit it he can wrestle. John Cena is the best on the microphone in professional wrestling today and that includes CM Punk. His ability to handle what the crowd throws at him and the way he uses it to his advantage during a promo shows how skilled he is.



What Cena does is entertaining and people would see this if they didn't come down on everything he did. The internet gives Cena so much crap that he doesn't deserve. Cena doesn't need to change because what he is doing is interesting. His character gets the attention of the fans and that is the entire point of the business. Without the attention of the people you should just end it. Cena draws money for the company, he draws ratings, the guy is pushed to the main event of WrestleMania because he is a star. Why change that? If something is working you don't fix it. Until Cena stops bringing in money then why change? What he is doing works. Face Cena = money for Vince and he knows it. While some would like to see Cena change it isn't needed. For years Cena has used the same character but it is still working. His character is all able rising above hate which is a great message to send. I don't see the point in changing him from being that to a bad guy. If you want a rebel go watch CM Punk.[/QUOTE]

Omg you're just such a ****** you keep saying wrong but you clearly haven't even read what I said. People are actually forced to react to Cena. He has been in the main event for 7 years. Haven't you realised the boo's get gradually bigger and bigger even though he has been doing the same thing. It hasn't been from his entertainment it came from people being legitimately sick of him and they knew he wasn't going anywhere because he still has support of the kiddies.

Did you just call me a Cena hater? You're an idiot I've been a fan of Cena since the start of his career I just became sick of his character as it has been the same for 7 years! There is no question the man is talented but I believe some of that talent is being wasted as he as been stuck doing the same thing for so long when you know he can do more. Also you didn't read I said his other feuds THIS YEAR have been boring not throughout his whole career. Read properly before you reply or else you just seem idiotic.

Lol at saying the internet gives him crap, it's not just the internet you idiot it's half the audience in every arena he goes to sometimes it's more than half. Internet fans are the same as normal fans it's not two separate identities especially not in this time with social media and the promotion on the actual show.

Stop saying it isn't needed to change. WWE's ratings are so much lower than they use to be and people just aren't as invested anymore. I'm not going to get into all that now but saying "oh Cena is a big success so let's never change him" is the stupidest thing in the world. No one wants to watch the same thing over and over and if you do then you must have a very simple mind.

What if Hogan never turned heel and just stayed the same for his entire career? Sure he still would have been big but by turning he revamped his career and made everyone care about him again in a way that hadn't been done before. Cena could have an awesome turn and make WWE more interesting than it is now. Not only that but it gives him a buttload of new feuds and can create a new mega babyface with whoever he feuds with. I don't understand why you would be content with the same thing over and over when something new and so much more interesting can be achieved, it makes no sense.

 

[Da Prophet]

The main problem with a Cena heel turn is it will only flip the audience. You talk about how more people are booing Cena but if he turns then the same people who boo him at the moment will probably cheer him and the people who cheer will boo. What would be the point in making a change when Cena is going to get the same reaction just flipped over? It would be shocking to see it happen however Cena going heel does nothing but turn the audience for no reason what so ever.

Cena has plenty of feuds he could do that haven't been seen without him turning heel. You have young guys like Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes, even Christian could be put into a program with Cena if they wanted to. It's easy to place Cena into a feud with someone because he has been around for so long. Cena has been making a career of being the target for young heels to attack and making Cena a heel would take away that easy path to making talent. Talent can get a rub elsewhere but getting one off Cena is huge. People like Edge and Miz have gone onto huge things after working with Cena and getting that rub off him. Keeping him face allows the young heels that great chance to make it and I think it is a great tool to have someone like Cena who can make a guy into a superstar.

 

[Alittude]

If he turns heel and rips on the audience you think the one's that boo'd him before will cheer him? A small group will but it's not like instantly everyone that boo'd will cheer him. Cena could use the heat he has now to be one of the best heels of recent time. Also eve if that did happen it wouldn't matter, it would still be fresh and reinventing his character and the heat he would have from the kids that loved him would be like no other heat at the moment.

Cena is great at giving a rub but let's face it, who else is there apart form the names you mentioned. If Cena went heel he would have a plethora of new feuds and elevate faces instead of heels. That argument doesn't really make sense because either way he is going to elevate who he's feuding with. Also If Cena continues as the same babyface he's been he will have a lot more boring feuds to come which I don't think anyone would be happy with. I mean look at the how exceptionally dull the Del Rio-Cena feud was a little while ago, not even the kids were that invested in it as it was a huge flop. Also if Cena isn't feuding with someone that is already a huge star (the Rock) or someone that is being pushed to be a huge star (CM Punk) Cena is booked as pretty much invincible which is just totally boring as you always know the outcome. As a heel he won't be booked as SuperCena and even if he is it would add a whole new element being heel which would generate even more heat.

I think that you should just face it you are probably in love with the character and don't want him to change because you'll need a new dream man to fill the void.

 

[Tired0FthePeople]

I cant think of what heels get cheered right now in WWE. I mean, not cheered as loud some people make it seem like a heel Cena would get cheered. Hogan got 'some' cheers in the NWO but it was aboout 10-20% of the audience at most and when he was in a program with Goldberg or Sting it was less than that.

Cena would in all likelyhood get the 'proper' heel boos. Im not buying that the people in all these arenas booing Cena are just booing him because they're smarks and trying to the 'smarky thing' by booing him. I dont buy that the booers would suddenly cheer a heel Cena. I think they'd still boo. A lot of those people simply dont like Cena. I believe they are tired of him and simply dont like the character and are booing his being shoved down their throats. I know thats why I personally boo him. I really dont like the character and Im angered by the fact that he's being pushed to the moon. If he turned heel I wouldnt cheer him. id be pretty upset that he's beating the top face...someome who im 99.9% sure Id want to see beating the shit out of Cena.

But its not time for him to turn heel yet. Plus, as someone said, he's already a heel anyway. As far as seeing something 'new and fresh' from Cena, its funny that people think that would fix the WWE's problems. Its funny how people see the WWE revolving around cena and what he's doing or could do. Cena might be boring to some people, but, if he is, what does that say about every one else?

 

[The Champ]

Because he has been the same character for nearly 7 years why do you think the boo's started in the first place.

The boos started in about August 2005, so no, that's not why. People decided it was the cool thing to do and others followed.

Why is this so hard to understand? No one else goes that long without changing character hardly at all.

Because other people's characters don't work as well as Cena's does.

Triple H has been more or less the same character since 2000. The Rock is more or less the same character as he was in 2000. Undertaker has been the same character since 2004 and was that same character from 1990 to 1999.

They might have made some tweaks along the way, sure. But their core was the same, just like Cena's is. Cena is not the EXACT same character as he was in 2005. There are similarities, but he's evolved with the times just like others have.

Also no he doesn't have everyone's attention people use to ignore him but when WWE have made him the the center of attention for years hogging the spotlight so people were forced to react, it doesn't mean people are entertained by him or his matches.

No one is "forced" to react. People cheer, or boo, because they choose to. No one puts a gun to anyone's head and says, "MAKE A LOT OF NOISE!" That's one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. If people are reacting, that means that in some way, they're invested in what they're seeing.

Cena has been awesome against Punk and Rock this year but let's face his other feuds have sucked and been predictable.

Maybe because the booking for all the other feuds sucked.

Stop acting like the boo's came from him doing something good they came from him being stale. A turn or at least a change of character would reinvent him a bit and breathe new life into him. Why are you so hellbent on him being the same? Do you want him to be the same character forever? Wouldn't you want for him to do something new and exciting if your such a fan?

I do think a heel turn would be entertaining for a while, but it wouldn't be worth it in the long run and I'd want him to be face again in probably about 2-3 months. I love Cena as he is and I have no problem with him staying that way. And as evidenced by his perennial popularity with many fans, I'm not along in that regard.

 

[XXJJ]

I dont think he is turning heel. I think he is going to tweak his gimmick a little. IMO he will become more aggressive towards his critics.

But what is Cena doing at TLC? All the other big time Raw wrestlers are booked. If they want Brodus Clay to make an impact... he needs to attack Cena next week on Raw. Cena cannot be in the Royal Rumble either. We all know what he is doing at WM. Having him work a couple of months with Brodus Clay could really establish Clay as a top heel.

 

[ae_wrestler123]

Does anyone realize wwe is making cena shirts for babies and toddlers? What would they do with that if cena turned heel? That brings in a lot more income for them. I personally think it is pathetic that the wwe is exploiting little children who thinks all this stuff is real. Wrestling is violent and shouldn't be for kids period.
Cena cannot job to anyone right now because they need to build him for wm against the rock. I mean if zack ryder beats him and cena beats the rock then that means zack ryder can beat the rock. It won't make sense for cena to put anyone over clean from now till wm

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Cena is great at giving a rub but let's face it, who else is there apart form the names you mentioned. If Cena went heel he would have a plethora of new feuds and elevate faces instead of heels.

Like who? He's already feuded with Punk, Del Rio, Miz, and Truth. On the Smackdown side, he's feuded with Sheamus and Orton. Maybe a Cena/Riley feud is just what we need.

That argument doesn't really make sense because either way he is going to elevate who he's feuding with. Also If Cena continues as the same babyface he's been he will have a lot more boring feuds to come which I don't think anyone would be happy with. I mean look at the how exceptionally dull the Del Rio-Cena feud was a little while ago, not even the kids were that invested in it as it was a huge flop

Yeah, that feud had nothing to do with Del Rio being as dull as can possibly be. That was all on Cena.

Also if Cena isn't feuding with someone that is already a huge star (the Rock) or someone that is being pushed to be a huge star (CM Punk) Cena is booked as pretty much invincible which is just totally boring as you always know the outcome. As a heel he won't be booked as SuperCena and even if he is it would add a whole new element being heel which would generate even more heat.

So I assume you had Cena losing to Miz at Wrestlemania and Del Rio at Vengeance.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

Does anyone realize wwe is making cena shirts for babies and toddlers? What would they do with that if cena turned heel? That brings in a lot more income for them.

If people buy Baby Devil costumes for their infants on Halloween than I am sure they would have no problem wearing a heel Cena shirt. So I agree with you on that. It might not be more income, but at least it will not decrease.

I personally think it is pathetic that the wwe is exploiting little children who thinks all this stuff is real. Wrestling is violent and shouldn't be for kids period.

This is what I disagree with! Wrestling is guys going out there and competing in that ring to get the win. You can mask it with blood, gore, and sexuality and make it for adults but in the end it is still wrestling. WWE has masked it with PG shenanigans (Sometimes) but again wrestling is wrestling. Kids and adults can watch and the "Do not try this at home" ads really cement a family friendly product.

Cena cannot job to anyone right now because they need to build him for wm against the rock. I mean if zack ryder beats him and cena beats the rock then that means zack ryder can beat the rock. It won't make sense for cena to put anyone over clean from now till wm

He can't job cleanly. He can definitively job to guys dirty as it doesn't bury him. Then again just because someone looses one match does not mean they are being buried

 

[Alittude]

The boos started in about August 2005, so no, that's not why. People decided it was the cool thing to do and others followed.

Because other people's characters don't work as well as Cena's does.

Triple H has been more or less the same character since 2000. The Rock is more or less the same character as he was in 2000. Undertaker has been the same character since 2004 and was that same character from 1990 to 1999.

They might have made some tweaks along the way, sure. But their core was the same, just like Cena's is. Cena is not the EXACT same character as he was in 2005. There are similarities, but he's evolved with the times just like others have.

No one is "forced" to react. People cheer, or boo, because they choose to. No one puts a gun to anyone's head and says, "MAKE A LOT OF NOISE!" That's one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. If people are reacting, that means that in some way, they're invested in what they're seeing.

Maybe because the booking for all the other feuds sucked.

I do think a heel turn would be entertaining for a while, but it wouldn't be worth it in the long run and I'd want him to be face again in probably about 2-3 months. I love Cena as he is and I have no problem with him staying that way. And as evidenced by his perennial popularity with many fans, I'm not along in that regard.

The boo's started in 05? So what haha that doesn't change the fact he's been the same character. Of course the boo's didn't start at the very beginning because people weren't sick of him yet. That's just such a stupid statement. Other's peoples character doesn't work as well as Cena's? Mate you are clearly a Cena mark. If his character worked so well he wouldn't get boo'd by half the audience when he is the top babyface. You mention the Rock has been the same character but he never got boo'd like that when he was the tip guy. He was loved by everyone. Also the Rock has been away for 7 years so even if he is the same character people missed him dearly in that time while Cena has been maineventing the whole time. The Undertaker's gimmick really you are comparing that to Cena? Come on dude everyone knows why the Undertaker's gimmick works so well it's completely different than most and he doesn't even have to talk that much so people don't really get sick of him. HHH did start to get boring back in 04 or 05 whenever it was when he just dominated the title scene for so long. He got similar heat for a while as some people actually wanted him to go away or arleast get out of the title picture because it became predictable just as it is with Cena.

No one is forced to react? Ok well if you are a massive wrestling fan and you have Cena shoved down your throat for 7 years like him or not most people will react just as they do. His haters weren't as vocal but it was obvious he wasn't going anywhere out of the mainevent scene so more people started to boo because they were generally sick of him, not because it was the cool thing to do. There probably would have been a few bandwagon jumpers but that's not where the boo's came from.

See what your saying you love Cena and you might get bored. That's thinking just for yourself and not what would be best for the WWE and the fans. Just because you might get bored well I haven't you realised most people are bored of Cena that's why he get's boo'd. He has been the same for so long that a change would be welcomed by so many and provided so many new opportunities. It seems like the only people that don't want the turn are actual Cena marks that are in love with him too much to realise why people are sick of him in the first place.

 

[Alittude]

Like who? He's already feuded with Punk, Del Rio, Miz, and Truth. On the Smackdown side, he's feuded with Sheamus and Orton. Maybe a Cena/Riley feud is just what we need.





Yeah, that feud had nothing to do with Del Rio being as dull as can possibly be. That was all on Cena.



So I assume you had Cena losing to Miz at Wrestlemania and Del Rio at Vengeance.

Ummm so how come when I mentioned if Cena were to turn heel it would make new feuds you mention 3 heels? Granted Truth might turn face we don't know yet but yeah that doesn't make sense. Also the feuds would be new because Cena would be a heel which would change the dynamic 100%. a heel Cena vs Punk could be amazing and totally different to their last feud.

Yeah I agree Del Rio is dull as bread but let's face it Cena didn't provide anything in that feud either. Cena raised his game for the CM Punk feud and now a bit with the Rock feud but come on most other feuds he does a lot of the same thing and even a lot of the matches have the same formula.

You mention 2 other times he lost in the whole year and yeah I did expect Del Rio to win at Vengence but that's besides the point, most of the time he is booked as super Cena and dominates people which gets mighty mighty repetitive.

Honestly I'm not a Cena hater at all but some of you have to realise why he get's boo'd and has a lot of hate because there are reasons behind it. It's not entirely Cena's fault at all it's how he's booked but yeah that's why a turn would be fresh because he would be booked in a new way and even if he wasn't it would be a new dynamic with him being heel generating even more heat.

 

[Slyfox696]

The boo's started in 05? So what

So the point is it proved you wrong. Something I'm sure you get quite a lot of.

haha that doesn't change the fact he's been the same character.

No he hasn't. If you think Cena has been the same character over the last seven years, you clearly haven't been paying attention, or your ability to understand characters is quite limited.

Of course the boo's didn't start at the very beginning because people weren't sick of him yet. That's just such a stupid statement. Other's peoples character doesn't work as well as Cena's?

If they did, wouldn't they be drawing money like Cena?

If his character worked so well he wouldn't get boo'd by half the audience when he is the top babyface.

Please. When Cena was feuding with the Miz he got the majority of the face heat. Do you really think the WWE didn't know what they were doing when they put him with Rock and Punk? Heck, the WWE is even making a storyline out of people booing Cena.

Cena's character works because it draws money. That's why his character works.

You mention the Rock has been the same character but he never got boo'd like that when he was the tip guy. He was loved by everyone.

Yes he was. Go check out some wrestling from 2002.

The Undertaker's gimmick really you are comparing that to Cena? Come on dude everyone knows why the Undertaker's gimmick works so well it's completely different than most and he doesn't even have to talk that much so people don't really get sick of him.

No, Undertaker's gimmick works because the people who boo Cena because he "appeals to kids" were kids when the Undertaker gimmick was first exposed to them.

The Undertaker is the personification of many Cena haters' hypocrisy.

No one is forced to react? Ok well if you are a massive wrestling fan and you have Cena shoved down your throat for 7 years like him or not most people will react just as they do.

Then why do they pay for the show? Why do more people show up at events Cena is headlining than they do for anyone else? Why do more people buy more of his merchandise than anyone else?

Even if they are "forced" to react to him, which is asinine by itself, they are certainly not forced to spend money on him. Yet they do...more than anyone else.

His haters weren't as vocal but it was obvious he wasn't going anywhere out of the mainevent scene so more people started to boo because they were generally sick of him, not because it was the cool thing to do. There probably would have been a few bandwagon jumpers but that's not where the boo's came from.

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

The boos started because Cena went against IWC darlings Jericho and Angle, guys who idiots thought were "real wrestlers". What Cena went through back in 2005 and 2006 was basically a new phenomenon, and yet, Cena remains the top drawing wrestler in the company. But that's why boos started, not because they were sick of him. Heck, he hadn't even been in the main-event for a full year when the boos started.

You know very little about wrestling.

That's thinking just for yourself and not what would be best for the WWE and the fans. Just because you might get bored well I haven't you realised most people are bored of Cena that's why he get's boo'd. He has been the same for so long that a change would be welcomed by so many and provided so many new opportunities. It seems like the only people that don't want the turn are actual Cena marks that are in love with him too much to realise why people are sick of him in the first place.

Actually, if anyone here is thinking only for themselves, it is you. Because Cena is clearly the best thing the WWE has, clearly their biggest draw, clearly their biggest moneymaker, and you want the WWE to change that because you find him boring.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Attitude>>>PG]

Well seeing as this is a Cena love/hate thread I would like to add my two cents on my personnel fellings towards Cena and wrestling as well. Although he's Mr. PG who the ladies swoon for and children love, he CAN wrestle, he CAN hold his own on the mic, and he is the man right now. The blind Cena hate is ridiculous on how people/smarks boo and curse at him and wish he becomes injured really need to revaluate their priorities.

Now on the flip side is I am in no way shape or form a fan of Cenas "character" being as I came into the WWE a little before in the attitude era (so I'm a little spoiled ) but I AM a fan and appreciate John Cena as a man. He is someone to look up to and I can appreciate his work ethic and his work outside the WWE. My 10 year old son adores Cena and I can understand why. Never give up and never back down are excellent mottos to live by as well as Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect. You can apply all those things he stands by to everyday life. Is it corny? To the average wrestling adult and wrestling smark of course it is. But to the children it's no different when we older fans loved Hulk Hogan (who btw had a WAY more cornier gimmick than Cena) or the Undertaker or even the 123 Kid for crying out loud.

I guess being a parent and seeing the excitement and joy that Cena bring to my son reminds me of my childhood and how special it was when I was a WWF fan back in the day. This is a great time to be a wrestling fan as we are going to witness another legendary moment. Let's not get too caught up in the IWC bitching and moaning about "____", hating of a character(s), OR a company and simply enjoy being entertained as wrestling fans.

We'll never get a Hogan/Warrior match again, nor a Hogan/Rock and we are never going to see a Rock/Cena again as well. Sit back and enjoy.

 

[Alittude]

So the point is it proved you wrong. Something I'm sure you get quite a lot of.

No he hasn't. If you think Cena has been the same character over the last seven years, you clearly haven't been paying attention, or your ability to understand characters is quite limited.

If they did, wouldn't they be drawing money like Cena?

Please. When Cena was feuding with the Miz he got the majority of the face heat. Do you really think the WWE didn't know what they were doing when they put him with Rock and Punk? Heck, the WWE is even making a storyline out of people booing Cena.

Cena's character works because it draws money. That's why his character works.



Yes he was. Go check out some wrestling from 2002.

No, Undertaker's gimmick works because the people who boo Cena because he "appeals to kids" were kids when the Undertaker gimmick was first exposed to them.

The Undertaker is the personification of many Cena haters' hypocrisy.

Then why do they pay for the show? Why do more people show up at events Cena is headlining than they do for anyone else? Why do more people buy more of his merchandise than anyone else?

Even if they are "forced" to react to him, which is asinine by itself, they are certainly not forced to spend money on him. Yet they do...more than anyone else.

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

The boos started because Cena went against IWC darlings Jericho and Angle, guys who idiots thought were "real wrestlers". What Cena went through back in 2005 and 2006 was basically a new phenomenon, and yet, Cena remains the top drawing wrestler in the company. But that's why boos started, not because they were sick of him. Heck, he hadn't even been in the main-event for a full year when the boos started.

You know very little about wrestling.

Actually, if anyone here is thinking only for themselves, it is you. Because Cena is clearly the best thing the WWE has, clearly their biggest draw, clearly their biggest moneymaker, and you want the WWE to change that because you find him boring.

Pot, meet kettle.

The point is he proved me wrong? Your first sentence and you already look like an idiot. How did he prove me wrong if I never said what year the boo's started. Cena has been the top baby face that appeals mostly to kids for around 7 years and he hasn't had many major character changes and he has been the goody goody superhero type for a while now.

I'll reiterate just for you that if Cena's character worked so well he wouldn't be boo'd by half the fans as he is supposed to be the top babyface of the company. To the Rock's point I believe sharu7 already pointed that out. I watched wrestling every single week in 2002 and for the most part everyone would love The Rock and he would never be close to getting boo'd by half the audience ever single week. Stupid point.

What the hell do you mean the WWE knew what they were doing putting him against Punk? What an idiotic statement. Punk was a heel at the time and was nowhere near the level he is now. You really think WWE predicted that his shoot promo was going to send him into superstardom and become the most popular wrestler in the company? Give me a break.

What the hell are you on about saying why do people pay for the show and why do more people buy more of his merchandise than anyone else? Are you kidding me I'm not saying everyone is sick of him as he is obviously insanely over still but look around dude, it's mostly kids that buy his merchandise. Just because he has a load of fans doesn't mean he doesn't have a load of haters as well which is obvious if you watch WWE at all. I' m talking about the reaction of the boo's you fool. It's clear that they gradually got louder and louder as people who didn't boo before started to boo because it was clear Cena was not going away from his top spot.

You say I haven't been paying attention? No one mentions that reason for not liking Cena in this thread or anywhere else. People have lots of valid reasons that you are just ignoring to why they dislike Cena. Trust me people were sick of Cena's character when he went from being edgy to completely childish. It didn't take long at all for older fans to get sick of his character and material because it was almost cringe worthy to watch at times.

Your final point is actually ridiculous. You are clearly delusional about Cena if you think I'm the only one that want's that change. You are completely ignoring the boo's he receives every where he goes. How on earth am I thinking for myself when there has been so much talk about the turn everywhere including on this site and in this thread haha that doesn't even make sense. You are clearly a Cena mark and want him to stay face because you love him, but if you really don't see how a heel turn would freshen up the WWE then you clearly don't know much about wrestling.

 

[The Champ]

The point is he proved me wrong? Your first sentence and you already look like an idiot. How did he prove me wrong if I never said what year the boo's started. Cena has been the top baby face that appeals mostly to kids for around 7 years and he hasn't had many major character changes and he has been the goody goody superhero type for a while now.

Your original statement was, "He's been the same guy for seven years, why do you think the boos started?" The boos started before he had gone seven years as the "same guy." Therefore, you're wrong on the boos point, regardless of whether or not you're right with the "same guy" point. Which you're not.

I'll reiterate just for you that if Cena's character worked so well he wouldn't be boo'd by half the fans as he is supposed to be the top babyface of the company. To the Rock's point I believe sharu7 already pointed that out. I watched wrestling every single week in 2002 and for the most part everyone would love The Rock and he would never be close to getting boo'd by half the audience ever single week. Stupid point.

For the millionth time, Cena gets booed because the audience didn't want to accept a clean babyface after they had gotten the edgy faces like Rock and SC. Everyone who makes this argument is completely ignoring the historical context. People who grew up with the latter two thought they were "cool," and when they were older and they got someone who actually did the right thing, he seemed lame to them in comparison. Therefore, Cena was never going to get a universally positive reaction unless he kept making STD jokes every week, which was clearly not the right direction for his character to go as a top guy.

Cena is established now and there's nothing WWE can do to change the boos. There is going to be an audience that hates the guy no matter what. Guess what? They still made a shitload of money out of him.

What the hell do you mean the WWE knew what they were doing putting him against Punk? What an idiotic statement. Punk was a heel at the time and was nowhere near the level he is now. You really think WWE predicted that his shoot promo was going to send him into superstardom and become the most popular wrestler in the company? Give me a break.

You're a complete moron if you don't think the goal of the shoot promo was to make Punk a top star. That's probably the stupidest thing I've read in a long time, and I post on two forums actively and read stupid things on both every single day. On the very next Raw, that was taped the same night as the shoot, they piped in boos for Vince and cheers whenever Cena was standing up for Punk. The goal the entire time was to turn him face and to get support for him against Cena in his hometown of Chicago. You think WWE was stupid enough to think that Cena wouldn't get booed against Punk in CHICAGO? #areyouseriousbro

 

[Slyfox696]

The point is he proved me wrong? Your first sentence and you already look like an idiot. How did he prove me wrong if I never said what year the boo's started.

Ahh, I can tell you're a first rate idiot.

You said the boos started in the first place because people got tired of Cena having the same character for 7 years. Watch:

Because he has been the same character for nearly 7 years why do you think the boo's started in the first place.

See? That's what you said. John Cena first showed up on WWE TV in 2002. The boos started in 2005. Since I'm sure basic math is a no go for you, that's only three years. Thus, you were wrong.

You really shouldn't call people idiots when basic math is beyond your intelligence.

Cena has been the top baby face that appeals mostly to kids for around 7 years

Who gives a fuck, you were talking about when the boos started. How can you not even know your own argument?

and he hasn't had many major character changes

His character has undergone tremendous changes from the time he first won the WWE title until now. If you can't see that, it's your understanding of characters which is incredibly flawed, not Cena's progression.

I'll reiterate just for you that if Cena's character worked so well he wouldn't be boo'd by half the fans as he is supposed to be the top babyface of the company.

And I'll reiterate just for you that you're an idiot.

Why the fuck would the WWE care if people boo or cheer him, as long as they're paying to see him? Which they obviously are, more than any other wrestler in the company? The main page here reported just a day or two ago, John Cena is the third most Facebook trending (whatever the fuck that means) sports figure in the entire world, behind only Messi and Ronaldo. That means more people care about Cena on Facebook than Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Peyton Manning, David Beckham, etc.

The WWE doesn't give a rat's ass if people boo or cheer Cena. You don't think they knew putting Cena against Rock and Punk would get Cena booed by the 15-25 male audience? Of course they did. They didn't care because it was going to make them money.

To the Rock's point I believe sharu7 already pointed that out.

What did he point out? That Rock clearly got booed? That was my point, not sharu7's. Who cares WHY he got booed, he did.

What the hell do you mean the WWE knew what they were doing putting him against Punk? What an idiotic statement. Punk was a heel at the time and was nowhere near the level he is now. You really think WWE predicted that his shoot promo was going to send him into superstardom and become the most popular wrestler in the company? Give me a break.

You're a dumbass, first rate. The WWE knew the 15-25 male audience would boo Cena. They didn't care. But when you put Cena with someone like Miz or R-Truth, guys who are not smark favorites, Cena gets the majority of cheers. Sure, you still have the few idiots like you who boo him, but he mostly gets cheered in those situations. Seriously, pay attention. You might learn something.

And yes, I believe the WWE thought Punk cutting his promo would lead to significant Internet buzz. If they didn't, why would they let him completely remove the backstage curtain, figuratively speaking? Of course they knew it would generate buzz, you're an idiot if you say otherwise.

What the hell are you on about saying why do people pay for the show and why do more people buy more of his merchandise than anyone else? Are you kidding me I'm not saying everyone is sick of him as he is obviously insanely over still but look around dude, it's mostly kids that buy his merchandise. Just because he has a load of fans doesn't mean he doesn't have a load of haters as well which is obvious if you watch WWE at all.

The point is that Cena is their most over wrestler, and he's their most over wrestler by a large margin. Which means his character is most certainly working. God, it's like I'm arguing with a child.

I' m talking about the reaction of the boo's you fool. It's clear that they gradually got louder and louder as people who didn't boo before started to boo because it was clear Cena was not going away from his top spot.

Are you really this obtuse? Do you really not understand not a single person in WWE management gives a rat's ass about the boos? Why do you keep talking about the boos? So a bunch of pimply faced testosterone laden males boo Cena while simultaneously cheering the Tooth Fairy who keeps talking about Fruity Pebbles. Who cares? John Cena is making money. People booing him prove nothing. Why? Because they still paid to come boo him.

Wrestling is a show targeted towards children and idiots. You might happen to fit in both categories.

People have lots of valid reasons that you are just ignoring to why they dislike Cena.

Actually, very few do. Most of the reasons center around the fact they think they are too cool to like the same thing a child might like, as if someone will judge them for having the ability to think for themselves. That's not a valid reason, that's being herded like a pack of dogs.

I imagine you're quite the bitch.

Your final point is actually ridiculous. You are clearly delusional about Cena if you think I'm the only one that want's that change.

Until people quit paying to watch Cena, I will always be right.

You want the WWE to change their biggest moneymaker because you simply don't like him, and ignore the fact more people CARE about Cena (whether they cheer him or boo him) than anyone else.

As I said, pot meet kettle.

How on earth am I thinking for myself when there has been so much talk about the turn everywhere including on this site and in this thread haha that doesn't even make sense.

Try and comprehend this. I'm sure it will be difficult for a child of your obviously limited intelligence, but just work with me here.

Cena = Big Money
R-Truth = Little Money

Cena = People like you are not a fan, but still pay money to watch
R-Truth = People like you are okay with him, but don't pay money to watch.


So you want Cena to be more like R-Truth, despite the fact R-Truth isn't making money. The fact is Cena makes the MOST money, which means people aren't tired of him. When people get tired of John Cena, they'll quit paying money for him. Until that happens, you can argue all you want about boos, but Vince McMahon will never hear you, since he's swimming in a pile of cash created by the current John Cena character.

You are clearly a Cena mark and want him to stay face because you love him, but if you really don't see how a heel turn would freshen up the WWE then you clearly don't know much about wrestling.

I don't give a rat's ass if he's a good guy or bad guy, but the comment it would "freshen up the WWE" is so short-sighted it's funny. People like you have no ability to see past 2 months and recognize the impact on the business. How would it freshen things up? What new feuds could come from Cena turning heel? He's already feuded with Big Show, Orton, Punk and Triple H. You never put two heels together in a feud, so there wouldn't be any heel feuds to pursue.

So what would change? The only thing that would change would be he might say some edgier things, but then again, he can do that now.


The fact is Cena turning heel won't freshen up anything, UNLESS THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON TO TURN HEEL. You people are worse than Vince Russo, whom many of you claim knows nothing about wrestling. You want to turn Cena heel, without actually thinking about how it affects things. Until there is a legitimate reason to turn Cena heel, you shouldn't arbitrarily turn him heel.

Are you convinced yet your knowledge on wrestling is quite inferior to mine? Do I have to keep embarrassing you over and over, or do you think you can handle the basic ideas of Cena turning heel doesn't make sense right now, and boos have no value compared to moneymaking? I sure hope you can understand those, because your intelligence thus far has shown to be quite suspect.

 

[AnvilForever]

Wrestling is a show targeted towards children and idiots.

lol. I resent that!

Anyway, I don't think they will turn Cena heel. But I DO think that they are going to shift his persona and add some more aggression back to his character. It might be something closer to the attitude he carried back in 2006 and 2007. Think of it as a transition from Superman Cena to Batman Cena.

 

[Alittude]

Your original statement was, "He's been the same guy for seven years, why do you think the boos started?" The boos started before he had gone seven years as the "same guy." Therefore, you're wrong on the boos point, regardless of whether or not you're right with the "same guy" point. Which you're not.

For the millionth time, Cena gets booed because the audience didn't want to accept a clean babyface after they had gotten the edgy faces like Rock and SC. Everyone who makes this argument is completely ignoring the historical context. People who grew up with the latter two thought they were "cool," and when they were older and they got someone who actually did the right thing, he seemed lame to them in comparison. Therefore, Cena was never going to get a universally positive reaction unless he kept making STD jokes every week, which was clearly not the right direction for his character to go as a top guy.

Cena is established now and there's nothing WWE can do to change the boos. There is going to be an audience that hates the guy no matter what. Guess what? They still made a shitload of money out of him.

You're a complete moron if you don't think the goal of the shoot promo was to make Punk a top star. That's probably the stupidest thing I've read in a long time, and I post on two forums actively and read stupid things on both every single day. On the very next Raw, that was taped the same night as the shoot, they piped in boos for Vince and cheers whenever Cena was standing up for Punk. The goal the entire time was to turn him face and to get support for him against Cena in his hometown of Chicago. You think WWE was stupid enough to think that Cena wouldn't get booed against Punk in CHICAGO? #areyouseriousbro

I never stated when the boo's started all I said was why do you think they started in the first place. They gradually got bigger and bigger but they started for a reason and no it wasn't just because Cena went against IWC darlings it was because there was a lot of older fans who hated how childish his character had become. He hasn't been exactly the same guy but name me some major character changes that he's had during his time as the top babyface in his superman type role.

I love how Cena fans that love his character are trying to explain why people boo when they obviously have no idea what the real reasons are and can't accept that some might be valid. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think the only reason people disliked him because they were use to edgy characters compared to Cena doing the right thing. He had become so corny and kid orientated that it made older males absolutely hate his character. You can deny this all you want but all that mean is you're in denial.

There is nothing they can do to change the boo's? Turn him heel that's what half the audience has been calling for and this way he is supposed to get heat. Not only that but once he finally changes back people might not boo him as much as they do now.

Wow I can't believe you really think the WWE planned how successful the Punk shoot promo became. You really are completely delusional if you believe they had any idea how successful that turned out. Not only that but it was Punk's material so how could it be the WWE's goal to make him a top star if it was strongly influenced by Punk, again that doesn't make sense so you are the moron mate.

He wasn't a face at all leading into Chicago you fool and had not turned yet . The crowd went nuts for him but he was still a heel at that time he was just growing extremely popular and of course Chicago were going to cheer him because it's his hometown as well as being a smarky city.

 

[Alittude]

Ahh, I can tell you're a first rate idiot.

You said the boos started in the first place because people got tired of Cena having the same character for 7 years. Watch:



See? That's what you said. John Cena first showed up on WWE TV in 2002. The boos started in 2005. Since I'm sure basic math is a no go for you, that's only three years. Thus, you were wrong.

You really shouldn't call people idiots when basic math is beyond your intelligence.

Who gives a fuck, you were talking about when the boos started. How can you not even know your own argument?

His character has undergone tremendous changes from the time he first won the WWE title until now. If you can't see that, it's your understanding of characters which is incredibly flawed, not Cena's progression.

And I'll reiterate just for you that you're an idiot.

Why the fuck would the WWE care if people boo or cheer him, as long as they're paying to see him? Which they obviously are, more than any other wrestler in the company? The main page here reported just a day or two ago, John Cena is the third most Facebook trending (whatever the fuck that means) sports figure in the entire world, behind only Messi and Ronaldo. That means more people care about Cena on Facebook than Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Peyton Manning, David Beckham, etc.

The WWE doesn't give a rat's ass if people boo or cheer Cena. You don't think they knew putting Cena against Rock and Punk would get Cena booed by the 15-25 male audience? Of course they did. They didn't care because it was going to make them money.

What did he point out? That Rock clearly got booed? That was my point, not sharu7's. Who cares WHY he got booed, he did.

You're a dumbass, first rate. The WWE knew the 15-25 male audience would boo Cena. They didn't care. But when you put Cena with someone like Miz or R-Truth, guys who are not smark favorites, Cena gets the majority of cheers. Sure, you still have the few idiots like you who boo him, but he mostly gets cheered in those situations. Seriously, pay attention. You might learn something.

And yes, I believe the WWE thought Punk cutting his promo would lead to significant Internet buzz. If they didn't, why would they let him completely remove the backstage curtain, figuratively speaking? Of course they knew it would generate buzz, you're an idiot if you say otherwise.

The point is that Cena is their most over wrestler, and he's their most over wrestler by a large margin. Which means his character is most certainly working. God, it's like I'm arguing with a child.



Are you really this obtuse? Do you really not understand not a single person in WWE management gives a rat's ass about the boos? Why do you keep talking about the boos? So a bunch of pimply faced testosterone laden males boo Cena while simultaneously cheering the Tooth Fairy who keeps talking about Fruity Pebbles. Who cares? John Cena is making money. People booing him prove nothing. Why? Because they still paid to come boo him.

Wrestling is a show targeted towards children and idiots. You might happen to fit in both categories.

Actually, very few do. Most of the reasons center around the fact they think they are too cool to like the same thing a child might like, as if someone will judge them for having the ability to think for themselves. That's not a valid reason, that's being herded like a pack of dogs.

I imagine you're quite the bitch.

Until people quit paying to watch Cena, I will always be right.

You want the WWE to change their biggest moneymaker because you simply don't like him, and ignore the fact more people CARE about Cena (whether they cheer him or boo him) than anyone else.

As I said, pot meet kettle.

Try and comprehend this. I'm sure it will be difficult for a child of your obviously limited intelligence, but just work with me here.

Cena = Big Money
R-Truth = Little Money

Cena = People like you are not a fan, but still pay money to watch
R-Truth = People like you are okay with him, but don't pay money to watch.


So you want Cena to be more like R-Truth, despite the fact R-Truth isn't making money. The fact is Cena makes the MOST money, which means people aren't tired of him. When people get tired of John Cena, they'll quit paying money for him. Until that happens, you can argue all you want about boos, but Vince McMahon will never hear you, since he's swimming in a pile of cash created by the current John Cena character.



I don't give a rat's ass if he's a good guy or bad guy, but the comment it would "freshen up the WWE" is so short-sighted it's funny. People like you have no ability to see past 2 months and recognize the impact on the business. How would it freshen things up? What new feuds could come from Cena turning heel? He's already feuded with Big Show, Orton, Punk and Triple H. You never put two heels together in a feud, so there wouldn't be any heel feuds to pursue.

So what would change? The only thing that would change would be he might say some edgier things, but then again, he can do that now.


The fact is Cena turning heel won't freshen up anything, UNLESS THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON TO TURN HEEL. You people are worse than Vince Russo, whom many of you claim knows nothing about wrestling. You want to turn Cena heel, without actually thinking about how it affects things. Until there is a legitimate reason to turn Cena heel, you shouldn't arbitrarily turn him heel.

Are you convinced yet your knowledge on wrestling is quite inferior to mine? Do I have to keep embarrassing you over and over, or do you think you can handle the basic ideas of Cena turning heel doesn't make sense right now, and boos have no value compared to moneymaking? I sure hope you can understand those, because your intelligence thus far has shown to be quite suspect.

Wow just so many things wrong where do I begin. First of all I'll copy and paste something from my reply to the Champ because it's clear you can't or just refuse to read. I never stated when the boo's started all I said was why do you think they started in the first place. They gradually got bigger and bigger but they started for a reason and no it wasn't just because Cena went against IWC darlings it was because there was a lot of older fans who hated how childish his character had become. He hasn't been exactly the same guy but name me some major character changes that he's had during his time as the top babyface in his superman type role.

Don't know my own argument? You just said we were talking about when the boo's started. Cena's character being aimed towards kids does have a part to play in how the boo's started even though I know you'll never admit that to yourself because you think it was only because he went against IWC darlings you mark.

Holy damn you are the biggest hypocrite you just said I don't know my own argument and now look at you. You said Cena's character works so well, I explained that if it worked so well he wouldn't get boo'd, and now you say the WWE doesn't give a fuck because he makes money. Wow talk about not knowing tour argument. You got corrected so you change arguments, and you call me the moron. At least admit when you're wrong or else how can anyone take anything you say seriously.

You're still using the Rock point how sad. So he got boo'd twice, once being against Hogan in Toronto and once because he was leaving, and you're comparing that to John Cena who get's boo'd every single week and isn't going anywhere, yeah nice one mate you're clearly a genius.

If you believe the WWE had any idea how big Punk's promo was going to be you're just delusional idiot. It was an extremely personal promo as well as appealing to smarks but it was mostly Punk's material so how would the WWE know that it was going to become so big. If they had that much faith in Punk he would have been pushed in the spot he's in now a long time ago.

Again you say his character is working good even though I've pointed out numerous times that it can't be that good if you're the top face and get boo'd every week by half the audience. You call me a child haha you're just a straight up ******. His character is working to half of the audience but not the other half I mean damn do I even have to say this.

Children and idiot's? You're just such a ****** and the fact you actually think you're smart means you are delusional as well. You're the one that defends Cena's character so much when he appeals mostly to kids and you're calling me the child. Do you laugh when he makes corny kid jokes? I'm sure it's right up your alley.

Again you're making up a reason for why he get's boo'd and not actually acknowledging why he does. Why are you so in denial about this? You keep stating why people boo him even though you clearly have no idea. Do you really believe that Cena is perfect for everyone and anyone that doesn't like him is trying to be cool? That's just so crqazy. I haven't heard you say one negative thing about Cena because you clearly let your emotions cloud your judgement and let your love for him blind you. You call me a bitch haha you can't even handle people not liking your mancrush and have to make up reasons why people dislike him so you can sleep at night, no sir you are the bitch.

I like Cena and am a huge fan of his talent I just started to dislike his character the minute he started doing promo's totally aimed towards kids. I loved him when he first came around and was a huge fan of his talent, that's why I was so annoyed watching him do the corniest awful promo's when I knew he was capable of so much more. I also believe he has gotten stale and and don't like people hogging the title and main event spot for too long as it gets old and boring. I've already stated these reasons but you clearly don't read and just make up your own shit because you love Cena so much that you can't handle anyone not liking him for legitimate reasons.

Wow again you are so delusional my gawd. Honestly what is wrong with you why do you feel the need to defend Cena so much that you sound like a complete ******.

I am not the only one that want's him to change you absolute ******. There is a ton of people that do so how is it selfish if loads of people want the same thing? You clearly don't even know what selfish mean's you moronic douchebag. How the fuck am I ignoring that people care about him where the hell do you get this stuff from? Just because people care about him doesn't change the fact that a lot of people want a change and are sick of him in his current role.

Wow I can't believe you can't even admit that you don't care if his a good guy or a bad guy. You are obviously in love with the dude and absolute love his character because you defend him like he's apart of your family or something clearly ignoring any problems that people have with him. You are so weak and pathetic if you are going to be an ignorant mark at least admit you're a mark and love his character.

So because Cena sells merchandise to kids and presumably yourself, there is no reason to change him ever even though half the audiences are boo'ing him? I'm thinking as a fan not a businessman you ******. Who cares if he sells merchandise to kids that's not why we watch. So they shouldn't do anything exciting or new if it might effect some shirt selling even though you have a guy that can reach those numbers now with Punk. How does him selling shirts mean people aren't sick of him? You're such an idiot. Kids and women and some others like him and buy his merchandise, but the other half of the audience don't like him and are not buying that stuff so how are people not sick of him? If people weren't sick of him he wouldn't get boo'd everywhere he goes, oh that's right you're in denial about why he gets boo'd it can't possibly be because anyone's tired of him.

Wow you really can't see how it would freshen it up? Ok so Cena being an ultimate heel completely different to how he was in all those feuds wouldn't freshen it up? It would be a completely different dynamic and the feuds would be completely different. Can you imagine Cena vs Punk this time with Punk as the main babyface and Cena as the top heel, it could be amazing and would be a completely different feud from there one this year and it could go for 3-4 months alone. How would all this not freshen the WWE up? You're saying it would be more fresh to keep him the same babyface that he's been for 7 years and feud with the same people in the exact same dynamic? Yeah that sounds extremely new and fresh. Please name me all the new and exciting feuds that will be available after his feud with the Rock.

Hahahahha wow you really think you are embarrassing me and not being embarrassed yourself? You are the most delusional person in the world. I've already pointed out so many holes in everything you're saying and I know you're going to keep going and making up shit because you are just a Cena mark plain and simple, the worst thing is you can't even admit it.