**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[Tattooed Jesus]

I was listening to the Stone Cold interview on Aftermath the other day, and Steve talked about how Stone Cold was supposed to be a heel, but got over as a face. It got me thinking, how could Cena become heel, yet still keep the kids happy. Its simple, just tweak his character.

Cena begins to grow unhappy with allot of the roster, faces and heels alike. He gets a more cocky attitude that shows. Everyone is taking exception to it, well not everyone just the big players. If done right, Cena could develop a "me against the world" type mentality. Take on both sides, not care who he is going after. Those who want Cena a heel can get what they want, and those who want Cena face can stay happy.

If done right, Cena could be a Stone Cold like character. In regards to Stone Colds dont give a damn attitude. Since Cena is as, if not more, intense then Austin in the ring, this could prove to be interesting.

What do you guys think? Could this work, if done right.

This is how I saw Cena early in his Dr of Thuganomics character that got him so popular in the first place. He mainly faced of in feuds against face characters but he then began to diss on faces and heels in his little rap battles. It wasn't until after he made The Marine movie and he adopted the pseudo soldier gimmick that people began to turn on him because he became to much of the superhero style face character.

 

[oldhamandy1]

Would kind of betray the respect part of his slogan, but I get what you mean. The problem is, if done slightly wrong you lose his fanbase. I think there are some who will dislike him whatever he does, and WWE don't need to change him to make money. He won't be a full heel anytime soon, maybe after he faces Rock at WM but not before. They are building it as the man who defined an era verus the man who leads a generation or some WWE bollacks like that, it doesn't take a genius to know that they wouldn't take that away.

 

[PunkNation26]

The Right To Censor statement made plenty of sense. They were an horrible group that absolutely sucked the life out of the show. However you probably liked them because "they were good at their job, and doing what they were supposed to do" even though they were HORRIBLE AND BORING. Also, how is it fun or entertaining to watch the "same ole shit" week after week? I've used this analogy before. Batman does the right thing and stands for justice, yet he breaks the law to get the job done, breaks some bones, and is a badass who uses fear to accomplish his goals.

He doesn't come out kissing babies and smiling for the cameras. CM Punk is what a face should be (atleast in my view). The words "corny" and "lame" exist for a reason. They are adjectives used to describe things that aren't cool. I just don't see whats cool about a guy who wears purple armbands and colored hats and jean shorts. I haven't ever liked Cena. I think he's massively overrated and it made me cringe hearing Foley say those things about him.

I think he's overrated because anyone could've been Cena if they would have had big muscles and were somewhat good looking. Vince would have pushed them and we'd be right where we are now. Maybe the guys name would have been something like David Jones or something. You see, Rock is a one and only. Cena is a dime a dozen. Cena was put in position for it to be almost impossible for him to fail. Hell as a face he's been getting booed to shit, yet it hasn't caused him to be depushed. Anyone else, and they're probably jobbing on Superstars or John Morrisoned. And don't bring up HBK because he evolved and won crowd support, and didn't have to "cuss" and use "vulgarity".

He just wasn't a "tool" like Cena is. Heck, the guy gets booed out of his home state's biggest city. That should've been a homecoming.

What Rock said in that facebook promo back in July sums up exactly how I've felt about Cena for the last 5 years or so. I felt that way before Rock ever brought it up, so I'm not just saying it because Rock worked me into thinking that way.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Umm... isn't that what Punks current character is all about?

He doesn't care if its a face or a heel on the other side of the ring, hes going to slap and kick them around. He's the best in the world and takes on all comers no matter what?

just a thought,

and here another John Cena's current character is fine, nothing about it needs to change, you people just need to get over your gripes with him and move on

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

xoxo I am not griping about his character. Although now I will. I respect the man Cena, as he has done allot of great things in and out of the ring. But haven't you noticed how everyone else on the roster has a change in there characters now and then? Usually every year or two. When was the last time Cena had a change? What....5,6, 7 years ago? Its time for a change thats all.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

xoxo I am not griping about his character. Although now I will. I respect the man Cena, as he has done allot of great things in and out of the ring. But haven't you noticed how everyone else on the roster has a change in there characters now and then? Usually every year or two. When was the last time Cena had a change? What....5,6, 7 years ago? Its time for a change thats all.

Others change their gimmicks because the one they have doesn't work or isn't getting them over.

Cena hasn't needed to change because he's still over, his name sake is selling PPV's, merchandise, and filling seats. So again why would you try and fix something that obviously isn't broken?

 

[CoadyCoates]

What is the DEAL with all this Cena needs to turn heel talk?!! Last time I checked, the one thing a heel is suppose to do is generate HEAT; I'm pretty sure John's the only "wrestler" on the roster who generates the kind of heat to be considered a heel. As great as Ziggler, Rhodes, and Barret are, they don't get boo'd NEARLY as bad as Cena does.

As for his chararter, sure, it sucks, nobody likes him, and that's the point! The "E" has handled him perfectly, allowing the fans to choose what he'll be for the night, whether heel or face. Like him or not, nobody on the "full time roster" other than Punk is on his level as far as competition, reaction, or presence is concerned! They will continue to play his charater out the way it is now, allowing people to natrually hate him on thier own, instead of being told to hate him (heel turn) until well after Wrestlemania! You think people hated him in Chicago, MSG, oh my, just wait until Miami...did I mention I'll be there...

 

[zigzag4ziggler]

You are attending quite possibly, the biggest mania to date. Chant the rock's name till you can't chant no more cause that may be the very last time we see the great one in action. As much as it pains me to say it and trust me, im hurting.....the end of survior series just proves that they're going to have cena go over the rock @ mania.

In my opinion, cena doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as the rock but it's happening. Hope you have a great time at mania dude.

 

[Wald]

They won't turn Cena even remotely heel unless the Rock agrees to stay around for a year plus or one other scenario happens. First off the Rock has killed him in this feud so far, Cena needs the win at Wrestlemania or else his character is pretty much dead in the water. If they turn him before Wrestlemania it will mean the Rock is the one who needs to get revenge, and I don't see them them giving him that unless he is staying around.

But here's an interesting situation, at least in my mind. Cena and Rock carry on as they are and have their match at Wrestlemania. Rock cheats to win (the crowd won't care if he uses a steel chair, they'd probably love it) and gets his moment in the sun at Wrestlemania. Do that and the next night is the night that the WWE would have a great chance to turn Cena.

Let Cena cut a promo about how he has tried and tried to win the fans over, how he has always stood for loyalty and respect, how he is the Hulk Hogan for kids to look up to, the guy that has carried the whole federation on his back the past 5 years and how he is now sick of it and sick of the fans. All he would have to do is pretty much copy Hogan's BatB promo, tell the kids to shove it and that from now he's out for himself.

I'd also have him take the title on that Raw off whoever is champion, and have cheat to win. The perfect scenario would be if it were Punk given their history. It would give the fans their new number one hero, and also give Cena that anger to be a heel for a while

 

[alexg]

Cena is alright when hes not doing all the kid crap. he can stay as a face if they would just stop making him captain america. on raw this week when he came out like its no big deal he got rock bottomed that emotions where high i was like just shut up and end raw already but when awesome truth came out and made fun of him his comebacks where funny. when the rock came back and he made that rap it was funny. they just need to give him more of an attitude(not talking of attitude era)

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

Others change their gimmicks because the one they have doesn't work or isn't getting them over.

Cena hasn't needed to change because he's still over, his name sake is selling PPV's, merchandise, and filling seats. So again why would you try and fix something that obviously isn't broken?

Undertaker has been over for 20 years, he has changed his gimmick time and time again. So whats your point? Its not an issue of money, its not an issue of seats, its not of that. Its called evolution in the character. Its that simple.

 

[TonyFnMidnight]

You are attending quite possibly, the biggest mania to date. Chant the rock's name till you can't chant no more cause that may be the very last time we see the great one in action. As much as it pains me to say it and trust me, im hurting.....the end of survior series just proves that they're going to have cena go over the rock @ mania.

In my opinion, cena doesn't deserve to be in the same ring as the rock but it's happening. Hope you have a great time at mania dude.

Don't count on it being the last time you see The Great One in action at Wrestlemania or for Cena to go over The Rock. WWE already has the game plan of Rock vs Cena to be a 3 match series that starts at Wrestlemania and ends at SummerSlam. I halfway expect Rock to win at Mania and THAT trigger the John Cena heel turn.

 

[The Mighty Tiger]

Well first we all need to know is whether or not it's good business to even turn Cena a heel or not. If Cena still has more supporters then haters then there is really no reason to fix what isn't broke, but w/that said I do feel personally like he does needs to refresh his character just a little bit.

What also needs to be consider is what is WWE's intention w/John Cena the character? Now if they really wanted John to win over the rest of the audience there isn't much they need to do to his character to accomplish that goal, but is that even a goal of the company to accomplish to begin with? Like I said if he still has more supporters then haters then it could be a bad idea to change his character to much, it could hurt merchandise sales.

Now if the goal is to try & win over the whole fan base then here's what I think could be done to John's character. First John needs to regrow the set of balls he lost somewhere years ago, & what I mean is he needs to stop w/the easy going I'm always okay no matter how bad I'm beat up, cheated, & embarrassed attitude. This feud w/The Rock is so damn one sided it's starting to get sickening, John is the one who started all this but anytime he is face to face w/Rock he is for the most part playing the victim.

If the idea of this feud is to give John the biggest rub of his career & earn the rest of the fans respect (which is something he should already have) by defeating The Rock then him acting like a puss cake isn't the route they should take. He needs to show real emotion when he is put in different situation instead of acting like everything is always okay.

Other things that can happen to Johns character is that they stop w/him always overcoming the odds. There have been times when you would be confident in baiting you whole income on the fact that Rock, Stonecold, Mankind & others was going to win a match cause good always suppose to prevail evil, but at the end of some ppvs they would get bashed & lose the match anyways. Leaving you thinking like what the hell they been getting bash this whole feud they should have won but things like that would keep us guessing. There is no unpredictability w/Johns character you always know no matter what he is going to be champ again & no matter who he is up against he is going to get the last victory more times then not.

Now if they was to change these few things about his character I'm sure he would win more of the crowd over he wouldn't win everyone cause that's just not realistic he will always have haters no matter what, but if the company wont benefit from a character change then they may not ever have the motivation to change him.

 

[bjdc1204]

The Cena against the world with a cocky attitude pretty much seems like the most logical way 2go.

Believe it or not, if done right, that can actually work! Hey, kids can't get what they always want right...lol?? I respect the hell outta Cena. And unlike alot of people, I don't boo him for simply being John Cena. But I do agree that his character is becoming stagnant, which is not Cena's fault at all!

Partly management's fault, and partly the kids are at fault too. They love "superheroes", so they're completely fine with it ----> Which isn't cool at all.


Now here's my thing about the Stone Cold heel turn similarity......

First of all, Stone Cold's character is nothing like Cena's. Even as a face, his character was meant for a, "I don't care who you are, F*** you, badass type of character". As much as a reaction he got as a face, turning him heel wouldn't be nearly as difficult as turning Cena.

Stone Cold was completely the same guy as a heel, just took a little more shortcuts to win matches.....AS heels are supposed to do! A character with an edge like Stone Cold's always has a chance to go from face to heel. Cena on the other hand, it can be done, but it won't be easy.

 

[Slyfox696]

The Right To Censor statement made plenty of sense. They were an horrible group that absolutely sucked the life out of the show. However you probably liked them because "they were good at their job, and doing what they were supposed to do" even though they were HORRIBLE AND BORING.

But they weren't good at what they did. Their gimmick was effective, but the wrestlers themselves were not.

But I see you intended your comment as an insult, which failed miserably I might add.

Also, how is it fun or entertaining to watch the "same ole shit" week after week?

You were a fan of the Attitude Era and you dare ask me this?

"Oh my God, Steve Austin is defying authority for the 63rd week in a row! Rock is telling his opponent to shove an item up their rectum for the 47th week in a row! I've never seen anything like this before!"

It's not the "same ole shit", though as an obviously less than intelligent person, I could see where you would be so easily confused. Cena's feud with Rock is completely different than his feud with Del Rio which was completely different from his feud with Punk which was completely different from his feud with Miz.

The fact is you're just blindly throwing out Cena-hate comments, ignoring how fucking stupid you sound while saying them.

I've used this analogy before. Batman does the right thing and stands for justice, yet he breaks the law to get the job done, breaks some bones, and is a badass who uses fear to accomplish his goals.

Who gives a fuck? Cena isn't Batman. What the fuck does Batman have to do with John Cena? Do you have any idea, other than you want everyone to know your comic book fetish?

CM Punk is what a face should be (atleast in my view).

A face should whine like a high school girl any time he doesn't get his way, and say random things half the audience doesn't understand?

If that's your view of a face, then it's a good thing you aren't a booker.

The words "corny" and "lame" exist for a reason.

So do the words "whiny" and "bitch".

They are adjectives used to describe things that aren't cool.

They are adjectives, but they are purely subjectively applied. You think Cena is lame, I might think Punk's character is lame. So I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here.

I just don't see whats cool about a guy who wears purple armbands and colored hats and jean shorts.

Because, as we all know, the way you define "cool" is by the color of clothing they wear.

You're an idiot. Plain and simple.

I haven't ever liked Cena.

And intelligence has never liked you. That's why it's been absent for so long in your life.

I think he's massively overrated and it made me cringe hearing Foley say those things about him.

Yes, a Hall of Famer saying the same things numerous other Hall of Famers have said about Cena made you cringe.

Clearly you understand pro wrestling better than Mick Foley, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Triple H, etc.

How can you not step back and see how fucking stupid you are to be arguing this, when the greatest wrestlers in pro wrestling history have told you that you are wrong?

I think he's overrated because anyone could've been Cena if they would have had big muscles and were somewhat good looking.

No they couldn't. That's just a weak ass copout.

Here, watch this. "CM Punk is overrated because anyone could not shower for three days, get tattoos and throw around insider wrestling terms".

See how easy that is? Now CM Punk isn't good, he's just lucky to be where he's at. Of course, neither of us believe that, but perhaps you'll understand why your statement is so stupid.

You see, Rock is a one and only. Cena is a dime a dozen.

Answer me this then, Batman.

If Cena is a dime a dozen, how come we don't have a dozen Cenas in the WWE? No one argues that Cena is easily the biggest cash cow in the WWE, why don't we have eleven more of him?

Cena was put in position for it to be almost impossible for him to fail.

Yes, because a white rapper has ALWAYS been a successful gimmick.

"Yo baby, yo baby, yo baby, yo!"

Dumbass.

Hell as a face he's been getting booed to shit, yet it hasn't caused him to be depushed.

Because pushes aren't based on whether someone gets cheered or booed, they are based on if they make money or not. I've explained this to you so many times now, you must be mentally incompetent if you don't understand this yet.

And don't bring up HBK because he evolved and won crowd support, and didn't have to "cuss" and use "vulgarity".

No, he had to leave wrestling for four years, and then come back preaching about God.

Because, as we all know, nothing says "cool" more, and nobody breaks the law more, than those who preach about God.

He just wasn't a "tool" like Cena is.

The fuck he wasn't. EVERY wrestler is just a tool for Vince McMahon and the WWE. You're fucking stupid.

 

[ryan86]

The entire purpose for cena is not to apease everyone for the sake of entertainment, it's a strategic business move, one that is historicly proven as sound, long-term stategic thinking

The theory is to grow an entire new generation of fans. This means obtaining the viewership of 5 year olds, who look up to and idolize Cena. Keep his charachter in place as these kids grow up watching him, and when they reach age of 12, slowly (over about a year) begin to alter the product to a more pg-13 type demographic.

this keeps the kids reaching teen years watching.

After that year transition into an edgier product, it would then be an appropiate time to turn Cena into the most filthiest type heel.

Turn the product to an all out rated "R" show and now the fans who were 5, are now 14, would be ready for this type product, that would be shocking to them.

the older audience comes in as the target demo increaces, and youve got 14-25 year olds as your main demo + the current fans.

7.0 ratings again. New Era.

 

[Headman]

I've seen moments where Cena would turn the tables on booing fans and make them the butt of the joke. It's moments like this that galvanize his supporters and I think he needs to do more of this. Enough of the "I love your right to boo me!", i'd rather see him go back to provoking the anti-Cena crowd and have some fun with them.

However, the biggest thing that pisses me off right now is how The Rock sneak attacks him which should have Cena seeing red, but instead we get "Well last night he got the best of me.". He should be on the mic calling the Rock a coward and a dick. Hell, If I were Cena I'd use the Rock as an example of a bully to tie it into the real life campaign. So yeah, I basically agree. I'd like to see a more aggressive Cena.

 

[PunkNation26]

OK I'm an idiot because I think Cena is lame and overrated? Yea, ok, that sounds like a factual statement. You are a biased Cena loving guy who thinks he's above fandom. You moderate a forum and act like you are some sort of supernatural ruler of the internet wrestling website kingdom. You throw out so called random "facts" about how Cena makes money. Of course he makes money. He's been pushed to the main event for 6 plus years.

People's throats have been ripped to shreds so badly, that we have to survive with a feeding tube. He's a damn lightning rod. Lightning, or money is going to hit him because he's either cheered by the youth or hated by the adults. Cena drawing is like a car wreck drawing attention. You can't help but stop and look. Not me personally, but that's a general popular saying. Cena's only over because everyone has an opinion of him. If people like me had just stopped watching when he got to the main event, maybe this shit wouldn't have happened.

However, it's like the NFL lockout. Fans wanted to threaten that they wouldn't watch football again for a while if the NFL had a lockout. However, for football fans, the addiction is too strong for that. They are the NFL's bitch and they knowingly admit it. Wrestling fans like myself couldn't just stop watching no matter how much we hated Cena. That's my argument to those who just tell me to stop watching if I hate him so much.

As for you bashing me for liking Batman, well the analogy is perfect when talking about pro wrestling personas. Wrestling is basically a live action comic book. They have personas and personalities just like comic characters. Some people for instance hate Superman, because he's a goody goody douche who is virtually invulnerable. All of Cena's matches are so damn predictable it's sickening. Sure guys like Rock and Austin always won matches, but they atleast showed vulnerability. Hell whenever Austin took a simple neckbreaker, you were on the edge of your seat thinking the match may be over.

Cena is just a damn superman and destroys everyone. Heck, he takes on tag teams and beats them singlehandedly rather easily. The way he is booked is downright laughable and you can't deny that. As for HBK loving God, there's nothing lame about God, and if you think so, then you are a tool. You can love edgy stuff and still like God.

Oh, and in the Attitude Era, you NEVER knew what was going to happen week after week. Your argument there is selective to fit your agenda. Of course guys' personas and catchphrases were the same, but the matches they had and what happened to them wasn't the same. Heck, then matches had meaning behind them, the roster was stacked from top to bottom. Back then, the roster was full of guys like Zack Ryder. Now Ryder had to get over on his own, and he still can't get pushed to be a credible threat in the ring. A little off topic there but my original point about matches having meaning is that matches were tied into storylines.

Another reason Cena doesn't appeal to me would be that he WAS the establishment. He never had to fight against anything. There was no reason to want him to succeed. His act is not must see tv for the casual viewer. Nothing Cena does makes you stop the channel on Raw on Monday to see what he's doing or saying. He doesn't blow up a bus, he doesn't get pissed off and just beat somebody down. He's got this arrogant, subtle asshole with a smirk on his face attitude. He's just not likeable. Of course this is MY view on him and it's certainly not how everyone feels, but it's how I feel, and that's what this forum is: A place to discuss opinions.

 

[oldhamandy1]

Is Cena stale or are some people just bored of him? People keep saying he's never out of the title piture and he always wins, well he was out of the title picture during the Nexus fued. As for the winning isn't that what faces do? Look at the Nexus fued again, he was attacked week after week and eventully sacked. Then after a few more weeks he got his own back, before being injured at a house show.

Personally I like him, I like Punk and Rock, but then again I'm also old enough to buy my own clothes so Cena isn't really for me. The guy makes money and puts on a good show while doing it, and his cathphrase or life ideology whichever it is, is a good one to follow. I was a kid during the attitude era, and being British the shows were on too late given the time difference over here for me to stay up and watch. (Oh how Sky+ has improved the world) It is guys like me that kind of got screwed, too young to remember half the shit you guys talk about, and grew out/got bored of it when Rock left.

Get back to watching it and everything has changed, but hankering for the old and wishing that the attitude era would come back is foolish. WWE has for a better lack of term, a money making role model to its young fans. I have always felt that with his straight edge lifestyle Punk would be the perfect fit for this but he doesn't want it.

I think the calls for Cena to turn heel are more to do with the fact it used to be like that, but if he turned he would go from being booed by the adult males pretending to be more insightful than everyone else and cheered by kids. To being booed by everyone, so what's the point?

In a world where divorce is constantly on the rise and many kids feel isolated, is it not nice for them to have one person who they can look up to? I know it was the same when we were kids but people are more socially aware now, I may have just ruined this entire thread but fuck it.

 

[Slyfox696]

OK I'm an idiot because I think Cena is lame and overrated?

No, you're an idiot because you say stupid things. I don't care if Cena doesn't interest you. But when you say stupid things, you deserve to be called out on them.

You throw out so called random "facts" about how Cena makes money. Of course he makes money. He's been pushed to the main event for 6 plus years.

Cena was drawing big money before he ever reached the main-event. I've already posted for you sources for that fact.

Cena's only over because everyone has an opinion of him. If people like me had just stopped watching when he got to the main event, maybe this shit wouldn't have happened.

Perhaps...but people didn't. People continued to pay more money to watch him, whether it's to cheer or boo, than they pay to watch anyone else.

Wrestling fans like myself couldn't just stop watching no matter how much we hated Cena. That's my argument to those who just tell me to stop watching if I hate him so much.

So John Cena makes you want to pay money to watch him. That means he is doing his job.

As for you bashing me for liking Batman

I didn't bash you for it, I just said there is no correlation between Batman and John Cena.

Wrestling is basically a live action comic book. They have personas and personalities just like comic characters. Some people for instance hate Superman, because he's a goody goody douche who is virtually invulnerable. All of Cena's matches are so damn predictable it's sickening. Sure guys like Rock and Austin always won matches, but they atleast showed vulnerability. Hell whenever Austin took a simple neckbreaker, you were on the edge of your seat thinking the match may be over.

Cena is just a damn superman and destroys everyone. Heck, he takes on tag teams and beats them singlehandedly rather easily. The way he is booked is downright laughable and you can't deny that. As for HBK loving God, there's nothing lame about God, and if you think so, then you are a tool. You can love edgy stuff and still like God.

*sigh*

The idiocy continues. Not only are you now saying stupid things, you're also stating completely inaccurate things.

Oh, and in the Attitude Era, you NEVER knew what was going to happen week after week. Your argument there is selective to fit your agenda.

And your not? For fuck's sake, your ENTIRE argument is based upon random bits of evidence, completely ignoring the totality of Cena's career.

You're the pot calling the kettle black.

Another reason Cena doesn't appeal to me would be that he WAS the establishment.

No he wasn't. John Cena was the very antithesis of the establishment when he first came up. His entire feud with JBL was based upon that fact.

Now, over the years, as he's proven himself the greatest wrestler in the world, both in kayfabe and in real life, it makes no sense for him to be an underdog anymore. So yes, now he IS the golden standard, the measure all other wrestlers have to live up to. It's natural character development.

His act is not must see tv for the casual viewer.

And yet, no one captures the casual viewer better than John Cena.

I love how you try to speak for the casual viewer with your minority opinion.

Nothing Cena does makes you stop the channel on Raw on Monday to see what he's doing or saying.

And yet, he's still the top draw in the company.

It's statements like this which make you look stupid. Perhaps nothing Cena does makes YOU want to stop and watch, but plenty of people stop to watch Cena.

He doesn't blow up a bus, he doesn't get pissed off and just beat somebody down.

So what? Neither did Ricky Steamboat. What's your point?

He's just not likeable.

And yet here I sit, liking him all the same.

Of course this is MY view on him and it's certainly not how everyone feels, but it's how I feel, and that's what this forum is: A place to discuss opinions.

Yes, but you're using your opinions to make statements of quality, despite the fact you don't even understand how pro wrestling works, nor the definitions of the terms of the business.


I don't care if Cena doesn't entertain you. That's fine, certainly your right. But when you start saying things which are completely untrue, that's where we run into problems. The fact is John Cena is the biggest draw in the WWE. The fact is John Cena has had great matches against a large number and large variety of opponents in a large variety of matches. The fact is John Cena is the public face of the WWE. The fact is many many Hall of Famers have endorsed John Cena as a quality main-eventer.

Those are the facts. Those are not opinions, those are facts. Whenever you come to understand the truth of those statements, you'll be much better off.

 

[Histerix]

Cena is way better off being a cocky heel/Anti-hero.....heres what I mean.

John Cena has been the face of the company for the last few years now, I rekon that he should make a turn in which he starts taking that position for granted and starts becoming real cocky about the fact that hes the face of the company and basically starts doing whatever he wants whenever he wants and starts cutting promos telling the audience how honoured they should be because they are seeing him and cuts promos against other wrestlers saying that they should strive to be like him/ or he can tell them to give up and not bother cuz they will never be as great as he is.

This can go in sooooo many directions. The possibilities are potentially endless

1) He starts randomly attacking superstars both heel and face because he thinks theyre trying to take his place as the "Face of the company" or becuase he doesnt think they deserve to be in the WWE alongside him/They arent respecting him enough as face of the company

2)He also starts threatening referees into calling matches in his favour and begins attacking officials and employees and simply justifies his actions with the fact that because hes the face of the company he makes to much money for WWE so they cant risk firing him and therefore he can do whatever he wants.

3) If he does get fired by one person, hes rehired by another e.g hes fired by the G.M he gets rehired by COO. He gets fired by COO he gets rehired by CEO/Vince with the explanation that hes "too valuable an asset and firing him would hurt the company" or something along those lines

4) As a result John can start going as far as feuding with Vince cuz he knows Vince cant risk firing him or he starts kissing his ass to get himself ahead in the company and keep other wrestlers down (he can even say that hes been secretly doing that all along and that explains why certain talent are being burried e.g John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Zak Ryder etc.) This would also be able to be applied to the current story of the whole "Conspiracy Theory" occuring in the WWE and provides an explanation foe Miz and Truths recent actions.

5) John wouldnt even need to win any championships to do this effectively, he can go as far as awarding himself his own title and carrying around his own special belt dedicated to himself and saying that he deserves it because hes above everyone else in the WWE

This allows John to be basically Incredibly cocky and smug about himself, he can be incredibly violent and evil when he needs to, he can be a whiny crybaby who complains alot about how hes not getting the respect that he deserves, but can also be a coward and a cheat if need be to get where he wants to.

I think this is better then the generic description that most people give in which they say "John cena should turn heel and be a villian and a bad guy and start rapping again." I think if WWE did something like this they could really come up with alot of things for Cena to do.

 

[PunkNation26]

John Cena doesn't make me want to pay money to see him. I have just continued to watch for other guys on the show. Now I have Punk as WWE Champion to look forward too. I enjoy Zack Ryder and Dolph Ziggler too. Other than these guys though, there's basically nothing there to get excited about.

As best as I can remember, I don't think Steamboat was ever WWE Champion. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but for some reason Vince didn't let it happen. Or Gorilla Monsoon. Whoever was in charge in the 80s. Well, I think I already know why it didn't happen, and that reason was a roid injecting, red and yellow wearing bald guy.

I would like to hear your opinion on how you feel about the people who boo Cena. Not the ones who boo him because it's "cool", but the ones who geniunely just can't stand his persona. I haven't been expressing my dislike of Cena lately because I've been ignoring him. However, watching his feud with Rock just keeps reminding me of why I can't stand him. What kind of man keeps getting verbally owned, and getting his ass kicked, sits back and does nothing and continues to smile.

He needs to grow a set and beat Rock's ass (kayfabe). He has his new "RISE ABOVE HATE" slogan, but the hate is his own fault. It's not like people dislike him because he has big ears or some kind of deformity, they hate him for his douchy attitude. Maybe the guy isn't taking steroids, or took some estrogen by mistake like Nash did in the "Longest Yard" because he isn't showing one manly bone in his body. I honestly want to stop disliking Cena. I don't want to like him because I don't think it's possible for me too, but I would atleast like to respect his character. I don't even really bash his wrestling technique anymore because to be honest I just don't care. I used to, but now I just want him to tweak his persona. I'll admit, if he would do that, I probably would find him entertaining.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Undertaker has been over for 20 years, he has changed his gimmick time and time again. So whats your point? Its not an issue of money, its not an issue of seats, its not of that. Its called evolution in the character. Its that simple.

Undertaker changed when the era's changed and when it fit, but always went back to being the original. No one, and I repeat not one fucking soul wants to see the return on the "American Badass Biker Undertaker."

Changing Cena's character in any way could alienate his biggest market, and the thing thats keeping the WWE in business. Cena was at the helm of the WWE going PG, to get more kids to watch. You know why, kids get their parents to spend money, that money is spent on the WWE and it keeps the business going. Alienating the core audience could completely kill the business. So again, why would you have your biggest draw turn his back on his 99% of his fans to please 1% of the people who watch the WWE?

 

[Vic]

The Rock should win at WM then Cena takes a shot at fans for cheering Rock. Rock defends fans. Then Cena jumps Rock backstage or in the ring during a promo. Dressed in his "rapper" gimmick, "injuring" Rock until the next PPV, where Cena cheats to win (chain to head). Then they'll be tied one win each, and could have a final great match at S.S. Cena cheats again Rock leaves again and Cena stays a heel, and goes for the title as a heel. Then if they want they could have the ultimate match at the next WM, to end this feud, plus we the fans get two WM's without Cena in the title fight.

 

[suleman09]

What is the DEAL with all this Cena needs to turn heel talk?!! Last time I checked, the one thing a heel is suppose to do is generate HEAT; I'm pretty sure John's the only "wrestler" on the roster who generates the kind of heat to be considered a heel. As great as Ziggler, Rhodes, and Barret are, they don't get boo'd NEARLY as bad as Cena does.

As for his chararter, sure, it sucks, nobody likes him, and that's the point! The "E" has handled him perfectly, allowing the fans to choose what he'll be for the night, whether heel or face. Like him or not, nobody on the "full time roster" other than Punk is on his level as far as competition, reaction, or presence is concerned! They will continue to play his charater out the way it is now, allowing people to natrually hate him on thier own, instead of being told to hate him (heel turn) until well after Wrestlemania! You think people hated him in Chicago, MSG, oh my, just wait until Miami...did I mention I'll be there...

Im going to TLC in Dec.
wanna trade??? loll jk
have a great time man! you're lucky

but i like where your head is, this is how i see the Cena character as well
Cena gets all the "heel" like boos and all the "face" like cheers so why bother changing him to a full fledged heel and lose all the cheers too?
personally i would love to see Cena turn heel again, not because i think he NEEDS to but because i think it could be a fresh look at cena, because when he was heel in his early years, he was still trying to break in. now seeing a monster heel turn by the FACE of the company, i think would be ground breaking.
but still, from a business aspect, yea keep him the way he is.