[cL];3536410 said:
According to SCSA, he went to Vince and told him he wasn't doing the Ringmaster thing anymore and told him he had come up with the Stone Cold gimmick himself.
Actually, the WWE had several different possible names for Austin, and I think someone suggested to Austin Stone Cold, and he took it to the WWE.
Whether or not, most of the catchphrases were the brainchild of the writing staff or not, is not known by me, but having heard from the horses mouth, i'm gonna say, that the writing staff didn't come up with Austins thing.
But the booking was. The booking was very much the responsibility of the WWE. They could have had Austin working curtain jerking matches, but they didn't.
Austin was a product of the WWE. Austin certainly made the most of the opportunity they gave him, but if we're going to claim Cena is a WWE made name, then the same goes for Austin and Rock.
Don't know about the Rock though.
Pretty certain Brian Gerwitz wrote most of Rock's material.
Whether or not he's one of the greatest wrestlers the business has ever seen ...eh...ok. I mean he's a great wrestler no doubt. He probably won't be higher than 10 on my list. (my list including, Hogan, Flair, Savage, Rock, Austin, Undertaker, HHH, Michaels, Bret Hart, Arn Anderson, Curt Hennig, Dusty Rhodes & Kurt Angle.)
Only Hogan, Flair, Rock and Austin can definitely say they have had a bigger impact on the wrestling business than John Cena. HHH and Undertaker are probably on the same playing field, and possibly Hart. Anderson and Hennig are no where close.
However if we're discussing wrestlers who've done a lot to impact the business he'd be.....well....
...man what the heck has he actually done to help the business beside be the key face in a time where major faces are few and far between?
His job?
He's made the WWE the most money they've made since the Attitude Era. He's put the WWE into the mainstream, and for the right reasons. He's the lead in the WWE public events, he's the public face of the Make a Wish foundation, and the most popular worker with the US military.
He's given the WWE a mainstream credibility they haven't had since Hogan in the 80s. Because while the Attitude Era was huge, it didn't shine the WWE in a positive public light. It put them in the same category as Jerry Springer. The John Cena led WWE has erased that and has given the WWE a far more positive image, which was especially important after the Benoit murders, and as Linda McMahon tries to win a public office.
Why IS he an Icon? Why should he be looked at like that? Seriously.
Seriously, you have to know the definition of an icon to answer that question. Not being a smartass, but find out the definition of the word icon, and you'll understand.
Cena NEVER puts anyone over cleanly. The only guys I can recall beating Cena cleanly since 2005 are Batista and Triple H. I don't count Punk at Money in the Bank because Cena was clearly distracted to make it look like he got caught off guard or sort of unfairly got taken advantage of by Punk.
You're mixing up two different ideas.
Cena may never lose cleanly, but he puts people over all the time. They are two completely different concepts.
As for you SlyFox, you act like your reasons for loving Cena are fact.
They are. When you understand what pro wrestling is about, you'll understand why they are facts.
You also act like an egotistical, elitist asshole who thinks his shit don't stink.
Only to people who post stupidly. Post reasonably and rationally, and I'll respond in kind.
Also, Icons are loved as faces by the majority of the crowd during their World Title runs.
Like the "icon" Shawn Michaels, whose WWF title run in 1996 ended with so many boos you would think the entire world hated him?
Without being a smartass, you need to also research the meaning of the word icon.
Cena has never been main event material in my opinion
And in the opinion of Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, HHH, etc., Cena has more than earned his main-event spot.
So whose opinion to believe...hmm, that's a tough one, but I'll go with the group of Hall of Famers.
and he was pushed based on his physique and looks.
No, he was pushed because his rapping gimmick was mad over with fans.
Cena has had a mixed reactions since he first won the WWE Title. If you can't see why then you're the stupid one.
The fact you think mixed reactions means a thing clearly proves there's only one stupid person here, and it's not me.
Cena squashes JBL in one of the shittiest WM matches OF ALL TIME. You can't blame that solely on JBL as JBL had some damn fine matches with Undertaker, Booker T, and Eddie Guererro.
You obviously haven't watched many WM matches if you think that was one of the worst matches of all time.
Amusingly though, you fail to mention Cena and JBL's I Quit match, which has received critical acclaim from most people whose opinions are worth reading.
Cena generates the reactions he does because he's polarizing. The people that cheer for him are the naive and gullible kids and well, the particular women who only cheer him for being hot, with a few virgin 27 year olds who live in their parent's basement sprinkled in (CeNation). Smart fans could see after the shitty way he won the title what they were getting. A Hulk Hogan wannabe.
Once more you prove your stupidity. Having to resort to tired cliches, ones I've already read a couple of times today, shows a clear lack of ability for creative thinking.
But again, I refer you to the list of legends who have supported Cena's ability in the wrestling business. Perhaps Triple H is a virgin 27 year old living in his parent's basement?
In terms of name value and overall appeal, there's no way Cena could ever be Hogan.
And the only people who say he is are people like you who use it to criticize Cena. Have you EVER seen me compare Cena to Hulk Hogan? Hulk Hogan is, without any doubt, the greatest pro wrestler of all time. John Cena is not on his level. No one is on Hogan's level. Only one person can claim to come close, but Austin was only mega over for three or four years. Hulk Hogan has done it for 30 years.
However, while John Cena is not Hulk Hogan, he is clearly the biggest superstar in this generation. Even you cannot argue that.
Now I'm not blaming this solely on Cena. The majority of the blame goes on Vince McMahon.
Considering Cena has made Vince so much money he probably sleeps on a bed stuffed with $100 bills, I'm sure Vince McMahon is more than happy to share in that "blame".
Anyone who's pushed to the moon in the main event picture for 6 plus years will draw a reaction, if they're not likeable and aren't the greatest technical wrestler in the world, or even somewhat above average.
What the fuck does being a technical wrestler have to do with anything? Cena's character is not a technical wrestler, how fucking stupid can you be?
Technical wrestling is simply a style of wrestling, and one the majority of wrestling fans don't give a damn about. Wrestling fans want to see brawlers, not technical wrestlers. But quality of a pro wrestler isn't determined by the style he works, but rather how well he works in the ring. And Cena has been the best worker in the world for many years now.
