How Racist and/or Sexist is Dagger Dias?

So your take here is that what Dagger said is not acceptable, but because it was not said with intentional malice it is not worth drawing attention to?

I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm genuinely asking.

I don't think it's worth drawing this much attention to (more on that in a second) because there are worse instances of it.

The other issue I had is the level of reaction to it. I just didn't think it needed this huge of a response/reply to it and it came off like you jumping on a soapbox and banging your chest about how important this is (as with you, not meant to be insulting/condescending). Now yes, of course sexism is a major issue and something that shouldn't exist (though of course it always will), but there are far worse instances of it than ranking the levels of attractiveness a group of women who perform in intentionally revealing outfits.

Here's the thing: my favorite woman on the roster at the moment is Becky Lynch and a big reason for it is because I have a thing for redheads and I think she has great legs. I don't find this to be sexist but more me finding an attractive woman to be sexy. I wouldn't say Becky is better because of her looks, but I'm certainly more of a fan of hers because of them. That's where I think Dagger is getting in trouble: the difference between liking someone for one reason or another and thinking they're better as a result, because those are two different things.

It's probably somewhat sexist but it's hardly egregious enough to warrant such a response.

The racism stuff continues to come off as ridiculous and completely wrong but that's a different topic.
 
I don't think it's worth drawing this much attention to (more on that in a second) because there are worse instances of it.

The other issue I had is the level of reaction to it. I just didn't think it needed this huge of a response/reply to it and it came off like you jumping on a soapbox and banging your chest about how important this is (as with you, not meant to be insulting/condescending). Now yes, of course sexism is a major issue and something that shouldn't exist (though of course it always will), but there are far worse instances of it than ranking the levels of attractiveness a group of women who perform in intentionally revealing outfits.

Here's the thing: my favorite woman on the roster at the moment is Becky Lynch and a big reason for it is because I have a thing for redheads and I think she has great legs. I don't find this to be sexist but more me finding an attractive woman to be sexy. I wouldn't say Becky is better because of her looks, but I'm certainly more of a fan of hers because of them. That's where I think Dagger is getting in trouble: the difference between liking someone for one reason or another and thinking they're better as a result, because those are two different things.

It's probably somewhat sexist but it's hardly egregious enough to warrant such a response.

I'd argue that casual sexism is among the most dangerous types of sexism because it is sneaky, often paid no attention, and frequently overlooked. Is saying something like, "Women have no place in the armed forces," or, "A married woman can't be raped by her husband," more sexist? Yes, absolutely. But luckily we live in a time where the vast majority of people would disagree with both of those statements.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a time where people see a man ranking women based at least in part by how attractive he finds them, and then stating that how attractive he finds them impacts how well they are preforming their jobs. And if we don't question that, we never will.

The racism stuff continues to come off as ridiculous and completely wrong but that's a different topic.

Whether he intentionally gave the women of color lower rankings than the white women (and I don't think he did) isn't relevant when he is giving women rankings based on appearance and then saying that these rankings reflect their ability to do their job effectively.
 
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I don't think it's worth drawing this much attention to (more on that in a second) because there are worse instances of it.

The other issue I had is the level of reaction to it. I just didn't think it needed this huge of a response/reply to it and it came off like you jumping on a soapbox and banging your chest about how important this is (as with you, not meant to be insulting/condescending). Now yes, of course sexism is a major issue and something that shouldn't exist (though of course it always will), but there are far worse instances of it than ranking the levels of attractiveness a group of women who perform in intentionally revealing outfits.

Here's the thing: my favorite woman on the roster at the moment is Becky Lynch and a big reason for it is because I have a thing for redheads and I think she has great legs. I don't find this to be sexist but more me finding an attractive woman to be sexy. I wouldn't say Becky is better because of her looks, but I'm certainly more of a fan of hers because of them.

I don't believe you until you offer to stick your tongue in her butt.
 
This thread is fucking mighty.

Can I get an example of Dagger's homophobia?

Also I gotta say that when ranking every woman of colour on the roster low to the extent that the top mark is 5.5 is pretty fucking hard to justify. What the hell makes Dana Brooke or Summer Rae so attractive? I get the different strokes for different folks approach but when all your preferences tend to favour white women and criticise the fuck out of the other ones then fuck you buddy.
 
I'm searching for just that, period man.

In my search, I managed to stumbled across the election debate thread where Slyfox expressed concern about my own perceived racism potentially reflecting poorly on the mod team.

Funny for a couple reasons.
 
If Tasty was to concede this point to you, it would be a moral victory at best. You still assigned a group of women numbers based at least in part on how attractive you found them, and that scale heavily favored white women over women of color. Whether or not you want to unsheathe your +1 dagger of penetration for them, the act of ranking them on hotness and asserting that this ranking somehow affects their ability to perform their job is sexist.

Hate to break it to you, but good looks sell, so it IS part of the job. KB already explained that. Might wanna re-read his posts.


There's a few problems with this argument. First of all, it's a straw man argument. I've never stated I have any issues with the high rankings for white women.

That was the point. Two can play the Straw man Argument game. Your entire bogus "racism rant" was a Straw man Argument.


If you think a white woman's look is excellent, they deserve an excellent ranking. My problem is that you gave every single female that wasn't white a low rank.

And my problem is that you have a problem with ranking the white women higher, because you're racist against white women.


The second big issue is that you assume that because I support women of color, I am against white women. This further illustrates how racist you are, assuming that because I am pro-women of color, it must make me anti-white women. This is not a George W, "with us or against us," type of deal. This is an all women should be treated equally, deal.

Just because you keep saying something over and over again does not make it true. I have no issues with any particular race. Racists DO have issues with other races. You know, like that little problem you have with white women. Your therapist must have a heck of a file on you with all your stories of horrible things white women supposedly did to you to make you harbor such disdain for them.


And I don't think it's sexist to not find dark skinned women or non-white women attractive. You can't really help what you find attractive or not, and I don't think you can label a problem that is hardwired to your biology or psychology prejudice. It is, however, prejudiced to consistently rank women of color lower than white women based on appearance.

No it's not. I am more attracted to white women. That does not make me a racist. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.


Can we just agree that this would have never happened if Coco won the election?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why JGlass is grasping at straws for things to bitch about. He and a couple of others are obviously still ********* about the election.


Yeah, where's that spam mod when you need him?

We don't need one. We have two admins and two G-Mods who are all able to moderate spam areas. If we needed a spam mod then there would be a spam mod.
 
Good looks sell --> I prefer white women --> From which you determine that white women are better at this job than non-whites

In defending yourself, you're literally spelling out how ass-backwards your stance is.

Nobody is saying being more attracted to white women is racist. Nobody believes that. You have no idea what the argument is after all these posts. Amazing.
 
This thread looks interesting, but not 113 posts of reading interesting. The quick impression I have is that Dagger is racist because he's attracted to lighter skin women? Or have we moved on from this since then?
 
This thread looks interesting, but not 113 posts of reading interesting. The quick impression I have is that Dagger is racist because he's attracted to lighter skin women? Or have we moved on from this since then?

We've moved on to discussing another post of Daggers that is supposedly sexist.

Depends on how the match is done. A 7 woman Ladder Match would be too dangerous. I've suggested ideas towards a Mrs Money In The Bank in the past. They could do it Battle Royal style where the last girl standing in the ring after the others are eliminated wins. Or they could do a Queen Of The Ring tournament with the winner getting a purple briefcase that has the same rules as the yellow one the guys use for the World Heavyweight.

Another idea I have suggested in the past is having the girls pick male midcarders to represent them in a traditional Money In The Bank Ladder Match that works the same way as the World Heavyweight one does. The winning midcarder gets a briefcase that he can pick between the US and Intercontinental Championship to cash in on, while the diva he represented gets a briefcase for cashing in on the Womens Champion.

The division has improved greatly, but it's not ready for a multi-woman Ladder Match. You could have Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, Emma, Paige, Natalya, and Bayley in there and it would still be too dangerous despite the current level of talent on the female roster. The division can get there, maybe in a year or two with the continued help of the NXT system.
 
Hate to break it to you, but good looks sell, so it IS part of the job. KB already explained that. Might wanna re-read his posts.

I made this point in my first post. That's not the issue here. The issue here is that you based your appearance rating (at least in part) on personal attraction, and then gave non-white women low appearance ratings. In doing so, you stated that non-white women are less qualified wrestlers than white women.

That was the point. Two can play the Straw man Argument game. Your entire bogus "racism rant" was a Straw man Argument.

What rant? The one where I said giving non-white women consistently lower rating appearances than white women is racist?

I mean... isn't that the definition of racism?

I actually Googled racism to make sure I wasn't going crazy. Here's what it said.

Google said:
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

In saying that white women in general look better than non-white women, you were being racist... according to Google.

And my problem is that you have a problem with ranking the white women higher, because you're racist against white women.

When have I ever displayed any racism against white women? Again, supporting non-white women is not racism against white women, and if you believe otherwise, you are only proving my point.

Just because you keep saying something over and over again does not make it true. I have no issues with any particular race. Racists DO have issues with other races. You know, like that little problem you have with white women. Your therapist must have a heck of a file on you with all your stories of horrible things white women supposedly did to you to make you harbor such disdain for them.

A few things, some funny, some not.

1) I am between therapists right now, thank you very much.
2) I don't appreciate you implying that going to therapy is a bad thing. Therapy has helped me a lot in my life and I am not ashamed to admit that.
3) I don't appreciate you saying I have a problem with women (white or otherwise) when I haven't said anything demeaning towards or of women in recent history on this forum, or possibly ever. By accusing me of being misogynistic, you are making light of actual misogyny, like ranking women based on how attractive you find them and saying it has something to do with how good they are at their jobs.
4) You gave non-white women lower appearance rankings than white women. Can we at least agree on this point? If so, then let's play a logic game.

Dagger states that women with better looks are better professional wrestlers than women wit poor looks.

Dagger states that white women in general have better looks than non-white women.

Dagger states that white women are better professional wrestlers than non-white women.

The first two statements are things you have flat out said. So tell me why the third statement is wrong.

No it's not. I am more attracted to white women. That does not make me a racist. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

I said in my response to KB that I don't think that it's racist to be more attracted to white women.

You keep accusing me of not reading your posts, but are you reading mine?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why JGlass is grasping at straws for things to bitch about. He and a couple of others are obviously still ********* about the election.

Dagger, if I actually cared about the election, why would I wait all these years (what has it been, three or four years since it?) to make a giant thread targeting you?

Anyone who knows me well knows that I don't take kindly to racist and sexist behavior on these forums, and your post demonstrated both of these behaviors. That's why I made this thread.

In fact, here's a compliment: you preform a necessary job as a moderator and do a good job at it. But just because you're a good moderator doesn't excuse the fact that the post I called into question in this thread was in poor taste.

Good looks sell --> I prefer white women --> From which you determine that white women are better at this job than non-whites

In defending yourself, you're literally spelling out how ass-backwards your stance is.

Nobody is saying being more attracted to white women is racist. Nobody believes that. You have no idea what the argument is after all these posts. Amazing.

It's amazing, right? I had a pretty nice long laugh about that.

This thread looks interesting, but not 113 posts of reading interesting. The quick impression I have is that Dagger is racist because he's attracted to lighter skin women? Or have we moved on from this since then?

It was never about that. It was the fact that he gave women a number ranking based (at least in part) on how attractive he thought they were, gave non-white women lower rankings, and then stated that these appearance rankings helped measure how good they were at their job. In doing so, he stated that non-white female wrestlers are worse at their jobs than their white counterparts because of their appearance.
 
I made this point in my first post. That's not the issue here. The issue here is that you based your appearance rating (at least in part) on personal attraction, and then gave non-white women low appearance ratings. In doing so, you stated that non-white women are less qualified wrestlers than white women.

Actually I'm pretty sure he says he finds white women more attractive than non-white women. I certainly wouldn't classify this as racist and I don't think most people do.
 
Actually I'm pretty sure he says he finds white women more attractive than non-white women. I certainly wouldn't classify this as racist and I don't think most people do.

I honestly don't understand how so many people are missing this point over and over again.

I'm not suggesting it's racist to find white women more attractive than non-white women. What's racist is to suggest that being white makes them more qualified than someone that's not white... which he did.

The end.
 
I think the point that KB's making, that's being missed, is that it is easier for an ugly dude to make it, than an ugly woman. Look at Kane, or Andre The Giant, and their level of success, versus the likes of...Ivory, or Molly Holly.

Also, the Knockout Division was dominated for how long by THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE? How many women wrestlers have been in Playboy, Penthouse, or even softcore porn, compared to men in equivalent forms of media?

A 1? What! To think I liked you as well. You are a jive turkey. She is so sexy.

The fuck is wrong with you son? I think y'all need your vision checked. Repeatedly.

Not even a wiggle. Becky though? Or Bliss? Or Tessa? Or Asuka? Or Paige? Dayum.
 
I think the point that KB's making, that's being missed, is that it is easier for an ugly dude to make it, than an ugly woman. Look at Kane, or Andre The Giant, and their level of success, versus the likes of...Ivory, or Molly Holly.

Also, the Knockout Division was dominated for how long by THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE? How many women wrestlers have been in Playboy, Penthouse, or even softcore porn, compared to men in equivalent forms of media?

So then KB's argument is that attractive women should be given the opportunity to succeed more often than less attractive women?

That's not a very compelling argument.
 

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