How Racist and/or Sexist is Dagger Dias?

[klunderbunker]

I honestly don't understand how so many people are missing this point over and over again.

Could it be that there's nothing to what you're saying, because that's certainly what it's seeming like.

I'm not suggesting it's racist to find white women more attractive than non-white women. What's racist is to suggest that being white makes them more qualified than someone that's not white... which he did.

The end.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly. He said it played a role but a minor one. I get that you find this racist, but it's pretty clearly more he finds them more attractive and therefore he thinks that's what makes them better.....for him.

I get what you mean here, but I really do think you're stretching a lot.

 

[klunderbunker]

I think the point that KB's making, that's being missed, is that it is easier for an ugly dude to make it, than an ugly woman. Look at Kane, or Andre The Giant, and their level of success, versus the likes of...Ivory, or Molly Holly.

Uh.....not exactly.

What I was going for was that while looks aren't all that's important, they do play a role in how high you're going to get. Going back to Albert, let's say he had the same physical abilities as John Cena, the same ability to speak and the same in ring ability but his own appearance. John Cena is going to be put on the posters because he's got the All-American look that is going to be a big tiebreaker.

The same is true for the women. A blonde haired blue eyed Trish Stratus with the gorgeous smile and rather appealing physique is going to get pushed harder than say, Awesome Kong. That's not saying Kong is bad, but Stratus' looks are the tiebreaker.

This isn't a corporate office. It's a TV show, where visual appeal plays a huge role. There's really no way around that and looks are often going to play a big role in how much someone is pushed. This is true in almost any media. How much of One Direction or Beyonce's success is based on their physical appearance? It doesn't mean they're talented, but it means they make more money.

Dagger saying that women are better at their jobs because of their looks isn't racist, nor is him putting his list in that order. It's how he finds them attractive and how he would rate them as such. Looks are going to play a role in success in wrestling and that's all there is to it.

 

[JGlass]

Not exactly. He said it played a role but a minor one. I get that you find this racist, but it's pretty clearly more he finds them more attractive and therefore he thinks that's what makes them better.....for him.

I get what you mean here, but I really do think you're stretching a lot.

And therein lies the problem. He's not saying that it's for him. He created a complex scale on which to rate female wrestlers, and then he ranked them all based on a variety of factors, including attractiveness. He finds women of color less attractive than white women, and therefore, he ranked them lower than white women.

He says it played a minor role, but clearly it did not. Summer Rae is ranked above Alicia Fox (former champion), Naomi (who has played a much bigger role in the women's division than Summer Rae), and Tamina (who has had a similar career to Summer Rae, but far more successful).

Are you really going to defend Summer Rae being ranked above these three women, two of them far superior wrestlers to her, one of them a former champion, and all three of them having had superior careers.

You accuse me of grasping at straws, but there's far more evidence for race playing an inappropriate role in his post than there is against it.

I get that it's really hard to think complexly about this idea when it's such a foreign concept to most of us (we're mostly white men here), but this type of thing happens in the real world. People think someone is less qualified to play a role or do a job because of the color of their skin, and it can be as subtle as Dagger's racism is here. That doesn't make it okay. That's why I'm drawing attention to this issue: not to bully Dagger, but to point out that racism of any sort, even casual, unintentional racism, should not be shrugged off.

Dagger suggested that wrestlers like Naomi and Nia Jax have a lower value at least in part because he finds them unattractive. That alone is casual sexism. Couple that with the fact that he asserts that he doesn't find non-white women attractive and that this impacts the ratings he gives to these wrestlers, then it becomes racist. If he knows he has a tendency to skew his appeal towards white women, then he should have removed the appearance component of his rating because it is inherently flawed. But he chose to keep it even with its bias towards white women.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

If Dagger was such a racist wouldn't he rank all the browns, blacks, and yellows at the bottom with the Jews and the Muslims and the Rosie O'Donnells in all of his categories?

 

[Coco]

I get that it's really hard to think complexly about this idea when it's such a foreign concept to most of us (we're mostly white men here), but this type of thing happens in the real world. People think someone is less qualified to play a role or do a job because of the color of their skin, and it can be as subtle as Dagger's racism is here. That doesn't make it okay. That's why I'm drawing attention to this issue: not to bully Dagger, but to point out that racism of any sort, even casual, unintentional racism, should not be shrugged off.

I'm beginning to think this has nothing to do with overturning the election results.

 

[JGlass]

I'm beginning to think this has nothing to do with overturning the election results.

I apologize if I've mislead you thus far.

 

[Coco]

If Dagger was such a racist wouldn't he rank all the browns, blacks, and yellows at the bottom with the Jews and the Muslims and the Rosie O'Donnells in all of his categories?

There's actually a fantastic answer to this, but I'm not typing the whole thing on my phone. I'm not deranged.

I'll come back to this though.

 

[klunderbunker]

And therein lies the problem. He's not saying that it's for him. He created a complex scale on which to rate female wrestlers, and then he ranked them all based on a variety of factors, including attractiveness. He finds women of color less attractive than white women, and therefore, he ranked them lower than white women.

He says it played a minor role, but clearly it did not.

Given the fact that he broke it down with a points structure and showed his math, I think it's pretty clear it was in fact a minor role.

Summer Rae is ranked above Alicia Fox (former champion), Naomi (who has played a much bigger role in the women's division than Summer Rae), and Tamina (who has had a similar career to Summer Rae, but far more successful).

Are you really going to defend Summer Rae being ranked above these three women, two of them far superior wrestlers to her, one of them a former champion, and all three of them having had superior careers.

Maybe not over, but it's much closer than you would think.

Naomi has accomplished a grand total of nothing. She was a dancer, then an athletic dancer, then part of Team BAD where she was in a supporting role to Sasha. She's an athletic freak, but she's never really done much other than be amusing on Total Divas. Oh and her finishing move, which involves having shall we say large hips.

Tamina is there because she has a famous father. I've never seen a Tamina match where I want to see more of her or anything remotely resembling what I'd call good.

Alicia was one of the most worthless Divas Champions ever and had a horrible ax kick that often looked like it was going to severely injure people.

Summer isn't much in the ring, but she's a born midcard valet. Heel wrestlers with good looking blondes on their arm are easy to boo and Summer is going to have a job as arm candy for years.

So in summary, I'd say Summer's value is arguably better than the other three (Tamina is just a hard hitting daughter of a famous wrestler, Alicia would be in completely over her head in the new division and Naomi would be hit or miss at best) at the moment. There's a lot more value than just in ring abilities, and Summer certainly has value as arm candy.

 

[JGlass]

Given the fact that he broke it down with a points structure and showed his math, I think it's pretty clear it was in fact a minor role.

But it's fundamentally flawed because it favors white women or non-white women based on a personal preference of his.

Appearance alone factored to 10%. That's a pretty sizable chunk of something. If your employer told you that you were going to be making 10% less money over the next month, you'd probably be pretty miffed.

Maybe not over, but it's much closer than you would think.

Naomi has accomplished a grand total of nothing. She was a dancer, then an athletic dancer, then part of Team BAD where she was in a supporting role to Sasha. She's an athletic freak, but she's never really done much other than be amusing on Total Divas. Oh and her finishing move, which involves having shall we say large hips.

Tamina is there because she has a famous father. I've never seen a Tamina match where I want to see more of her or anything remotely resembling what I'd call good.

Alicia was one of the most worthless Divas Champions ever and had a horrible ax kick that often looked like it was going to severely injure people.

Summer isn't much in the ring, but she's a born midcard valet. Heel wrestlers with good looking blondes on their arm are easy to boo and Summer is going to have a job as arm candy for years.

So in summary, I'd say Summer's value is arguably better than the other three (Tamina is just a hard hitting daughter of a famous wrestler, Alicia would be in completely over her head in the new division and Naomi would be hit or miss at best) at the moment. There's a lot more value than just in ring abilities, and Summer certainly has value as arm candy.

Basically what you're saying is that because Summer is an attractive female, she's more valuable than these other attractive females... but why? What's the only difference here? She's not better on the mic. She's not better in the ring.

Why don't Alicia or Naomi have the same value as arm candy (I'm conceding Tamina because she is a larger woman and, while I do personally find her attractive, I understand that many others don't)? Both of them have already accomplished more than Summer (Alicia is a former champ, Naomi came in second in NXT and is a far superior wrestler), so what is the one thing holding them back?

The answer is Dagger finds them less attractive than Summer Rae, which is a really stupid reason to rank them lower.

 

[klunderbunker]

But it's fundamentally flawed because it favors white women or non-white women based on a personal preference of his.

Appearance alone factored to 10%. That's a pretty sizable chunk of something. If your employer told you that you were going to be making 10% less money over the next month, you'd probably be pretty miffed.



Basically what you're saying is that because Summer is an attractive female, she's more valuable than these other attractive females... but why? What's the only difference here? She's not better on the mic. She's not better in the ring.

I'd say she's better on the mic. Have you ever heard Tamina and Naomi talk? It's cringe inducing. Ring work really doesn't matter here as only Naomi would have a prayer in the ring in the current women's division.

So yes, her attractiveness does make her more valuable in this situation. And no, that's not racist. It's her having an attribute that makes her better and more valuable than the other three at this point in time. Not much more valuable mind you, but yes more valuable.

Why don't Alicia or Naomi have the same value as arm candy (I'm conceding Tamina because she is a larger woman and, while I do personally find her attractive, I understand that many others don't)?

Because they're presented as wrestlers in a division where there are far more talented workers. They could be arm candy, but that's not what they're presented as right now. If they were just valets then yeah they certainly would have value (especially Alicia, who I find to be one of the most beautiful women in the company) but as wrestlers, not so much at the moment. Naomi as a dancer had at least the same (if not more) value than Summer does now but as a woman who wrestles the occasional match, she's really just a warm body at this point.

Both of them have already accomplished more than Summer (Alicia is a former champ, Naomi came in second in NXT and is a far superior wrestler), so what is the one thing holding them back?

The fact that they're in a division that has never been more stacked.

Think of it like any other sport: a player who has been dependable for years has value, but if you sign a string of top level free agents who play the same position, his value goes way down. A player at a different position becomes more valuable than the first player because there's far less competition.

The answer is Dagger finds them less attractive than Summer Rae, which is a really stupid reason to rank them lower.

Not in a business where attractiveness can secure you a job for a long time.

 

[GI Cake]

If it was Pancake that was posting this, I'd say there is a 90% chance the entire post is just to fuck with Dagger.

You know me so well.

 

[JGlass]

I'd say she's better on the mic. Have you ever heard Tamina and Naomi talk? It's cringe inducing. Ring work really doesn't matter here as only Naomi would have a prayer in the ring in the current women's division.

So yes, her attractiveness does make her more valuable in this situation. And no, that's not racist. It's her having an attribute that makes her better and more valuable than the other three at this point in time. Not much more valuable mind you, but yes more valuable.

Summer is equally bad on the mic as Tamina and Naomi, so again, she really doesn't have anything over anyone.

Because they're presented as wrestlers in a division where there are far more talented workers. They could be arm candy, but that's not what they're presented as right now. If they were just valets then yeah they certainly would have value (especially Alicia, who I find to be one of the most beautiful women in the company) but as wrestlers, not so much at the moment. Naomi as a dancer had at least the same (if not more) value than Summer does now but as a woman who wrestles the occasional match, she's really just a warm body at this point.

I think given the opportunity, Naomi would absolutely be a valuable talent as a wrestler. But she isn't really being given those opportunities, which is unfortunate (before anyone suggests that I am saying that her lack of opportunities is racism, I'm not, I'm sure there are a variety of factors leading to Naomi not getting a push that may or may not include racism).

The fault I find in your argument here is that all four of the women we've mentioned have been portrayed as both wrestlers and managers/valets at various points in their career. Of the four of them, Naomi has probably had the most success as a valet, while Alicia has had the most success as a wrestler, and yet Dagger thinks Summer Rae has had a more memorable career than either of them.

The fact that they're in a division that has never been more stacked.

Think of it like any other sport: a player who has been dependable for years has value, but if you sign a string of top level free agents who play the same position, his value goes way down. A player at a different position becomes more valuable than the first player because there's far less competition.

I'm familiar with the concept of value, thanks, but that's not what's holding them back. Your argument here is that their current place on the roster as wrestlers hurts their ranking because, as wrestlers, they're not cut out for the division. Meanwhile, Paige, whom hasn't been a force in the divas division since the end of 2015, is ranked number one on Dagger's list. Natalya, who until last month had been one of the most overlooked women in the division, is ranked second on Dagger's list. To his credit, Sasha Banks is ranked third, which is a fairly reasonable ranking given she's easily one of the top two in the division currently.

But all this discussion is distracting from the main point, which is...

Not in a business where attractiveness can secure you a job for a long time.

Which is in and of itself problematic because it means that women that don't conform to people like Dagger's sense of beauty have less of a chance to succeed despite their skills. Naomi is a perfect example of this. She is superior to Summer Rae in every way, but she is not a tall, thin, blond woman with white skin.

Again, saying you find light skinned women more attractive than dark skinned women is not racist. It's racist to say that because of that, it's okay that white skin women are seen as more qualified for a job than dark skinned women, which is exactly what's happening here.

 

[M]

KB's been watching wrestling long enough to know that attractiveness and "look" are different, right? Right? And surely he'd agree that Nia Jax's look is better than literally the worst possible look on the entire roster, right? So how is he not understanding the implied result of rating Nia Jax's look as absolutely shithouse purely because they're not attracted to them physically, and then using that to imply they're not good at their job?

How many times do people have to repeat the highlighted part for the people disagreeing to understand that it's not a good thing? The other point about him being a racist comes from this. His non attraction to non-white females isn't the issue, nor is it how objectively good looking he thinks they are. The issue on that end is that he continued to use his own personal attraction, which, as he would admit, is biased towards his main tastes of white women, and then used that as an influencing factor towards whether or not they're good at their job.

Please stop trying to dance around it all. Just understand the issue, or at the very least acknowledge that maybe it wasn't the right thing to do.

 

[klunderbunker]

Summer is equally bad on the mic as Tamina and Naomi, so again, she really doesn't have anything over anyone.

You've never listened to Naomi and Tamina talk have you? I know Summer isn't good but she's miles ahead of those two.

I think given the opportunity, Naomi would absolutely be a valuable talent as a wrestler. But she isn't really being given those opportunities, which is unfortunate (before anyone suggests that I am saying that her lack of opportunities is racism, I'm not, I'm sure there are a variety of factors leading to Naomi not getting a push that may or may not include racism).

I can go with Naomi having potential as an in ring talent but she's the only one of those three that I would see having any realistic shot of hanging with the new crop of talent.

The fault I find in your argument here is that all four of the women we've mentioned have been portrayed as both wrestlers and managers/valets at various points in their career. Of the four of them, Naomi has probably had the most success as a valet, while Alicia has had the most success as a wrestler, and yet Dagger thinks Summer Rae has had a more memorable career than either of them.

Right now (as in not talking about what they've done before), I'd agree with him. Alicia's title run is a glorified footnote and Naomi never even won the title.

I'm familiar with the concept of value, thanks, but that's not what's holding them back. Your argument here is that their current place on the roster as wrestlers hurts their ranking because, as wrestlers, they're not cut out for the division. Meanwhile, Paige, whom hasn't been a force in the divas division since the end of 2015, is ranked number one on Dagger's list. Natalya, who until last month had been one of the most overlooked women in the division, is ranked second on Dagger's list. To his credit, Sasha Banks is ranked third, which is a fairly reasonable ranking given she's easily one of the top two in the division currently.

Which would suggest to me that appearance really doesn't play much of a role in this formula as Paige was the highest on the appearance list in fifth. In other words, as has been established multiple times now, it really isn't the be all and end all like it's been built up as. It's a minor part, which is what it is in the real world.

Which is in and of itself problematic because it means that women that don't conform to people like Dagger's sense of beauty have less of a chance to succeed despite their skills. Naomi is a perfect example of this. She is superior to Summer Rae in every way, but she is not a tall, thin, blond woman with white skin.

Here's the thing though: her being superior to Summer in every way is your opinion. I'd say Summer is far better on promos (read as she doesn't make me want to mute my TV), is better looking and has more value as a manager than Naomi has as a wrestler. I know you probably think otherwise and I know Dagger thinks differently than you. Overall, I have zero issue with him suggesting that Summer is more valuable and yeah, her looks do play a role in her value. They don't make her more inherently valuable, but they can push her over the edge.

Again, saying you find light skinned women more attractive than dark skinned women is not racist. It's racist to say that because of that, it's okay that white skin women are seen as more qualified for a job than dark skinned women, which is exactly what's happening here.

If that's the only reason then yeah it is. As part of a total package, no it's not.

 

[klunderbunker]

KB's been watching wrestling long enough to know that attractiveness and "look" are different, right? Right?

These never end well.

Yes I have. Please continue.

And surely he'd agree that Nia Jax's look is better than literally the worst possible look on the entire roster, right?

Si.

So how is he not understanding the implied result of rating Nia Jax's look as absolutely shithouse purely because they're not attracted to them physically, and then using that to imply they're not good at their job?

Oh I'm understanding it fine. I'm just saying I don't agree with it.

How many times do people have to repeat the highlighted part for the people disagreeing to understand that it's not a good thing?

I don't think anyone is saying it's a good thing. It's more people are saying it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

The other point about him being a racist comes from this. His non attraction to non-white females isn't the issue, nor is it how objectively good looking he thinks they are. The issue on that end is that he continued to use his own personal attraction, which, as he would admit, is biased towards his main tastes of white women, and then used that as an influencing factor towards whether or not they're good at their job.

Which is, again, not exactly racist, at least in part because general attractiveness matters in something like wrestling.

Please stop trying to dance around it all. Just understand the issue, or at the very least acknowledge that maybe it wasn't the right thing to do.

I think we covered that a good while ago.

 

[M]

Okay then, so what is your basis for not agreeing with it, given that everyone has covered at length that Nia Jax's look is independent of her attractiveness?

I actually don't agree with the whole "Dagger is racist" side of it, I was just trying to spell out how that thought could be formed since for some reason you seem to be of the opinion that JGlass is saying Dagger must find non white women attractive or he's racist.

What Dagger has done isn't an extreme wrong or anything, but it deserves calling out because he's a person of influence on these forums and it matters a lot more if he makes that thread rather than if A11 or nwcongo did it.

That last thing was directed at Dagger, not you. What Dagger's done so far is downplay it, call JGlass racist against white people and then poked at his personal life to get a side argument happening.

 

[klunderbunker]

Okay then, so what is your basis for not agreeing with it, given that everyone has covered at length that Nia Jax's look is independent of her attractiveness?

I'm actually not sure what you mean there. No sarcasm etc.

I actually don't agree with the whole "Dagger is racist" side of it, I was just trying to spell out how that thought could be formed since for some reason you seem to be of the opinion that JGlass is saying Dagger must find non white women attractive or he's racist.

I don't think JGlass is saying that. I think there's no racism in this whole thing and I really don't see how it's anything more than his opinion. He doesn't seem to be saying that non-white women are ugly but rather that he likes another look better.

What Dagger has done isn't an extreme wrong or anything, but it deserves calling out because he's a person of influence on these forums and it matters a lot more if he makes that thread rather than if A11 or nwcongo did it.

I can go with this to a degree. The "isn't an extreme wrong" is where I've been having issues, as it seems that a lot of the backlash against him has treated this as some horrible thing that must be stamped out. I can go with it being misguided and flat out wrong at some points, but there are worse things that can be addressed.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

A person of influence? He's a mod on a forum not the president, why does that some how make it more necessary to call him out because of it?

I personally find this whole thing ridiculous, I don't care if Dagger is racist or sexist, why would I? Dagger doesn't bother me at all on a personal level, some of his opinions I agree with, some I don't but this whole thing comes off as if PC Principal was writing this thread. Regardless of my feeling though I don't see why Dagger being a mod means he deserves to get dragged through the mud more than anyone else and I'd certainly hope JGlass would call out anyone who does it and not just Dagger.

 

[Uncle Sam]

That Dagger didn't realise what he was doing is sort of the point. Unconscious prejudice, presented as a totally normally attitude, is often the most insidious, and also the most difficult to detect, hence arguably the most important to draw attention to. Prejudice isn't just throwing slurs or throwing rocks at people, and is damaging in all its forms, particularly - as in this case - blindly perpetuating harmful attitudes. I'd have personally responded to Dagger in the original thread, and was indeed planning to, but largely just to avoid, well, this.

 

[Dagger Dias]

you stated that non-white women are less qualified wrestlers than white women.

Just because you keep saying this over and over again doesn't make it true. I never said the non-white women are less qualified. The fact that they are less talented in the ring or in their promos has NOTHING to do with their race. I thought Kharma was a great wrestler, she wasn't white.

What rant? The one where I said giving non-white women consistently lower rating appearances than white women is racist?

The one in your bogus ridiculous opening post.

I mean... isn't that the definition of racism?

Racism is harboring dislike for someone because of their race. The thing you do toward white women. Had someone posted a ranking where the white women all got the lowest rankings I guarantee you would NOT be doing your poor impression of PC Principal like you're doing here.

I actually Googled racism to make sure I wasn't going crazy. Here's what it said.

So you know how to use Google. Fantastic. Now I challenge you to take your amazing new skill of "using Google" to do some research on why this had nothing to do with racism. The only racist thing thing that has taken place has been your own racism towards white women.

In saying that white women in general look better than non-white women, you were being racist... according to Google.

No it doesn't, you idiot. You may know how to use Google but you have yet to learn how to comprehend what you read. Being more attracted to whites does not make someone racist. Whining about whites being ranked higher than non-whites in an appearance ranking that had NOTHING to do with race, on the other hand, IS racist. You have stated that whites should not be ranked as superior to non-whites, thus you stated that whites are inferior. So congratulations, JGlass. This, according to Google, makes YOU racist!

I am between therapists right now, thank you very much.

Good. Maybe they can help you overcome your racism against white women.

I don't appreciate you implying that going to therapy is a bad thing. Therapy has helped me a lot in my life and I am not ashamed to admit that.

I never said it was a bad thing. I fully believe in therapy's potential for emotional and mental healing. Something you are in dire need of.

I don't appreciate you saying I have a problem with women (white or otherwise) when I haven't said anything demeaning towards or of women in recent history on this forum, or possibly ever.

It only bothers you that I called you out on it because you know it's true yet refuse to admit it. So you're in denial then, got it. You hate white women. Admit it. Not just here to us, but in real life to your therapist so they can help you overcome this.

By accusing me of being misogynistic, you are making light of actual misogyny, like ranking women based on how attractive you find them and saying it has something to do with how good they are at their jobs.

So you already proved you didn't know what racism means and now you just proved you don't know what misogyny means either. There's no prejudice towards women here. You're trying desperately to see it, but IT'S NOT THERE!

You gave non-white women lower appearance rankings than white women. Can we at least agree on this point?

I gave the women I find less attractive lower appearance scores. Race had nothing to do with it. How is that so hard for you to understand?

Dagger states that women with better looks are better professional wrestlers than women wit poor looks.

Dagger states that white women in general have better looks than non-white women.

Dagger states that white women are better professional wrestlers than non-white women.

The first two statements are things you have flat out said. So tell me why the third statement is wrong.

The third statement IS wrong. The only true statement in there is that I tend to find white women more attractive.

I said in my response to KB that I don't think that it's racist to be more attracted to white women.

Yet you contradicted this same statement multiple times. Make up your mind.

Anyone who knows me well knows that I don't take kindly to racist and sexist behavior on these forums, and your post demonstrated both of these behaviors. That's why I made this thread.

If you don't take kindly to racist behavior then you must have a real problem with your own posts. You've ranted and whined and shared your anti-white propaganda all throughout this thread, and that was why you created this thread.

It was never about that. It was the fact that he gave women a number ranking based (at least in part) on how attractive he thought they were, gave non-white women lower rankings, and then stated that these appearance rankings helped measure how good they were at their job. In doing so, he stated that non-white female wrestlers are worse at their jobs than their white counterparts because of their appearance.

See? There's an example of those discriminatory thoughts towards whites right there! You have an issue with whites being ranked higher in a list that had nothing to do with race, because they are white. Stop denying it.

Or better yet, stop with this stupid soapbox. Take a deep breath, get the stick out of your ass, eat some Booty-O's, and try to enjoy life without getting offended over the stupidest little things like someone posting a ranking you disagree with.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'm on my way to a job interview - as if I'd do the point for point replying thing anyway - but the term "anti-white propaganda" has some pretty favourable historical, and indeed modern, equivalents.

 

[Tastycles]

Seems to me that all Dagger needs to do to prove he's not a sexist is post a list of the male WWE wrestlers in order of attractiveness.

 

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

I'd argue that casual sexism is among the most dangerous types of sexism because it is sneaky, often paid no attention, and frequently overlooked.

I've thought about this and your response to my post, and agree with your reply. It was indeed worth pointing out.

Which has now been done.

If Dagger refuses to learn, you can't help him. Too bad.

Also @Dagger Dias
Come on dude, nothing about what JGlass said was "anti-white propaganda". I respect the points you made in your defence, and I don't think you're a racist at all, but you can't just reverse the accusations like that. I am going to assume at this point that you are operating on Coco levels of irony.

It's hit a "he said, she said" low at this point.

Seems to me that all Dagger needs to do to prove he's not a sexist is post a list of the male WWE wrestlers in order of attractiveness.

I am eagerly anticipating the results.

Make Roman look strong, Daggs.

 

[Thriller Ant]

I think Dagger has a point. No person convinced of the superiority of white people would ever use the phrase "anti-white propaganda" so he can't be racist.

 

[.]

Good. Maybe they can help you overcome your racism against white women.

Fucking hell with the number of times I've seen you use this phrase just makes me wonder how you're not a 12 year old that routinely posts on 4chan but instead you're a married adult who has probably been sheltered his entire life. EDIT: How the fuck are you 30? Have you ever met a coloured person? Was #BlackLivesMatter racist to you too because obviously #AllLivesMatter? Who's sexier, Kendrick Lamar or Shane McGowan?
You're probably the kind of daft cunt that thought the recent Oscar controversy was racist against white people aren't you?
Pro tip: Look to substantive definitions of words and not their bare meanings you fucking gobshite.
You're exactly as dumb as you think I think you are.