How Racist and/or Sexist is Dagger Dias?

[Tastycles]

If you don't think that post and the majority of this thread is sexist, then you are part of the problem. Anyone who uses the 'you're just racist against white people' as a counter claim has lost the argument.

He wasn't commenting on aesthetic, he was commenting on physical attractiveness, as M and I pointed out.

Trish Stratus being pushed because she has huge tits isn't a good thing. I've been watching wrestling with an actual woman a lot recently, we've been watching 1998 and current nXt. She said to me yesterday 'fair play to these nXt girls, because you can see how far women's wrestling has had to come'.

We are at a point where wrestling is finally getting into the twenty first century with its presentation of women, it's just a shame that people are dragging their heels (and their knuckles) about this.

The inevitable argument will be 'look what has been successful in the past'. Yeah, well black wrestlers used to get given gimmicks like Saba Simba and Kamala.

 

[Coco]

To KB: The racism is less about what Dagger finds attractive and more about him taking what he finds attractive and applying it to his ranking of these women as professionals. So there's that.

Also, considering the move away from the obvious mail order models in the last year, it's clear that less emphasis is being placed on stereotypical bombshell looks than used to be the case. Long term, the new world order is going to be looking at males and females through the same lens. Nia Jax not giving Dagger a woody shouldn't be a factor as her look is very useful.

 

[klunderbunker]

If you don't think that post and the majority of this thread is sexist, then you are part of the problem.

There is so much wrong with this statement and way of thinking, I don't know where to start so we'll move on.

Trish Stratus being pushed because she has huge tits isn't a good thing. I've been watching wrestling with an actual woman a lot recently, we've been watching 1998 and current nXt. She said to me yesterday 'fair play to these nXt girls, because you can see how far women's wrestling has had to come'.

True to a degree, but there's a lot more to Trish than her looks. Yeah they were probably what got her in the door, but she had a lot of success due to hard work and getting better. Someone's looks getting them their start is far from sexist.

We are at a point where wrestling is finally getting into the twenty first century with its presentation of women, it's just a shame that people are dragging their heels (and their knuckles) about this.

Yeah we are and it's certainly a good thing. However, there's a big difference between saying looks are important and play a role and shouting "SHOW US YOUR TITS!"

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Nia Jax not giving Dagger a woody shouldn't be a factor as her look is very useful.

People still use the phrase woody?

 

[Coco]

People still use the phrase woody?

I'm running out of words to describe Dagger's dagger, okay?

 

[klunderbunker]

To KB: The racism is less about what Dagger finds attractive and more about him taking what he finds attractive and applying it to his ranking of these women as professionals. So there's that.

I'd still call that a very big stretch.

Also, considering the move away from the obvious mail order models in the last year, it's clear that less emphasis is being placed on stereotypical bombshell looks than used to be the case. Long term, the new world order is going to be looking at males and females through the same lens. Nia Jax not giving Dagger a woody shouldn't be a factor as her look is very useful.

Her look is very useful and I'd go against what Dagger said, but cutting out the appearance aspect is never going to go away and it would be completely unrealistic to suggest that it doesn't play a small roll in a business based on what is put on TV.

 

[Coco]

Look is important. But Dagger is so far off the mark in his assessment that it's akin to me saying Alexa Bliss should be champion because I'd love to throw a fuck into her. It's not ridiculous to find that offensive.

And this is where I leave you for the night.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

I'm running out of words to describe Dagger's dagger, okay?

Reading this made me laugh way harder than it probably should have

 

[klunderbunker]

Look is important. But Dagger is so far off the mark in his assessment that it's akin to me saying Alexa Bliss should be champion because I'd love to throw a fuck into her. It's not ridiculous to find that offensive.

And this is where I leave you for the night.

This basically sums up why I find those acting like Dagger is telling the women to get in the kitchen and tend to the young'uns to be blowing this WAY out or proportion:

There's a difference between saying this is how I see things and the second thing you said. Yeah it's bad, but it comes off as much more misguided than demeaning or mean spirited.

 

[Coco]

Actually, thanks for letting me get in a Springer-esque final thought before I actually leave:

Misguided is sometimes more dangerous than the overt and malicious. It can be difficult to correct shitty behaviour when the perpetrator has no idea how shitty it is to begin with. On a positive note, it probably lacks the conviction of the overt or malicious. But misguided stuff like this can be a shifty, nebulous sell.

In that spirit, I don't mind the diligence of JGlass in calling attention to it.

 

[Tastycles]

There is so much wrong with this statement and way of thinking, I don't know where to start so we'll move on.

What you mean is, 'there is no way I can argue against this without appearing to condone sexism.' Thinking that a woman's attractiveness should affect her job is sexist - remember we are not talking about 'a look' in the wrestling sense, which is a completely valid discussion, we are talking about Dagger rating the quality of pro wrestlers based on how much he wants to bang them. That is sexist, and to deny that it is sexist is pandering to sexism.

Yeah we are and it's certainly a good thing. However, there's a big difference between saying looks are important and play a role and shouting "SHOW US YOUR TITS!"

There's a big difference between saying 'I don't want my daughter to date a black guy' and lynching one.

 

[Khalifa]

He's not racist or sexist. He's blind. Sasha is a 5.5? She's no higher than a 1.

** Great wrestler, but butterface to the max.

A 1? What! To think I liked you as well. You are a jive turkey. She is so sexy.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

So The Bar Room has now become Tumblr. Interesting.

I'll probably post more in-depth at a later point, but some of the stuff I've seen in this thread is disturbing, regressive rhetoric.

 

[lil steroid meat]

A better question is...

Who read all this shit? Why would you?

I ranked overall by doing first a ranking by accomplishments, promo skills, in-ring skills, and appearance with points based off said rankings. Accomplishments counted twice, promos and in-ring skill counted once, and appearance counted half in terms of the points. This is to make it to where the overall score would be out of 100. Up to 40 from accomplishment, up to 20 from promos, up to 20 from in-ring, and up to 10 for appearance.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

This is based primarily on title reigns and history making. The more main roster titles she has won, the higher she ranks. NXT Womens Championship reigns are considered also, but weighted less than Divas Championship or WWE Womens Championship wins. Ties by main roster divas were broken by title shots, time spent on the main roster, and other things like that. Ties for NXT divas were broken by similar reasons that the main roster diva ties were. The higher she ranks in this, the more points she received. Up to 40 points here, least earned is 2.

NOTE: These are WWE accomplishments, so keep that in mind before mentioning success women like Asuka have had elsewhere. I am ranking their WWE careers.


1. Paige

• Divas Champion (2 time)
• Youngest Divas Champion
• Is on WWE Main Roster
• NXT Womens Champion (1 time)
• First NXT Womens Champion

2. Charlotte

• Divas Champion (1 time)
• Final Divas Champion
• WWE Womens Champion (1 time and current)
• First WWE Womens Champion
• Is on WWE Main Roster
• NXT Womens Champion (1 time)

3. Nikki Bella

• Divas Champion (2 time)
• Longest reigned Divas Champion
• Slammy winner (2 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

4. Natalya

• Divas Champion (1 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

5. Alicia Fox

• Divas Champion (1 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

6. Bayley

• NXT Womens Champion (1 time)
• NXT Year-End Award winner (2 time)

7. Sasha Banks

• NXT Womens Champion (1 time)
• NXT Year-End Awards winner (1 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

8. Asuka

• NXT Womens Champion (1 time and current)

9. Naomi

• Slammy winner (1 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

10. Rosa Mendes

• Slammy winner (1 time)
• Is on WWE Main Roster

11. Becky Lynch

• Is on WWE Main Roster

12. Summer Rae

• Is on WWE Main Roster

13. Tamina

• Is on WWE Main Roster

14. Emma

• Is on WWE Main Roster

15. Lana

• Is on WWE Main Roster

16. Eva Marie

• Is on WWE Main Roster

17. Dana Brooke

• Is on WWE Main Roster

18. Alexa Bliss

19. Carmella

20. Nia Jax





PROMOS:

This should be self-explanatory. Up to 20 points earned here from the higher she ranked, 1 is the least.


1. Sasha Banks
2. Paige
3. Becky Lynch
4. Natalya
5. Bayley
6. Emma
7. Alexa Bliss
8. Charlotte
9. Summer Rae
10. Lana
11. Dana Brooke
12. Eva Marie
13. Nikki Bella
14. Naomi
15. Asuka
16. Carmella
17. Nia Jax
18. Alicia Fox
19. Tamina
20. Rosa Mendes




IN-RING:

Same rules here for points as Promo Skills. From 1 to 20 based on ranking.


1. Becky Lynch
2. Natalya
3. Sasha Banks
4. Paige
5. Bayley
6. Emma
7. Asuka
8. Charlotte
9. Alexa Bliss
10. Naomi
11. Summer Rae
12. Dana Brooke
13. Nikki Bella
14. Carmella
15. Alicia Fox
16. Nia Jax
17. Tamina
18. Lana
19. Rosa Mendes
20. Eva Marie



APPEARANCE:

This provided the least points-wise for obvious reasons. It is a matter of opinion as I might find some of these women more attractive than others might, and vice versa. However, it is still something to consider so this portion is worth half the points of Promos or In-Ring Skills. Highest is 10 and the least earned is 0.5 points.


1. Summer Rae
2. Becky Lynch
3. Emma
4. Alexa Bliss
5. Paige
6. Dana Brooke
7. Natalya
8. Bayley
9. Eva Marie
10. Sasha Banks
11. Lana
12. Charlotte
13. Asuka
14. Nikki Bella
15. Carmella
16. Alicia Fox
17. Rosa Mendes
18. Naomi
19. Tamina
20. Nia Jax


Overall Rankings

Alright, here is where it gets interesting and the actual rankings based off the point earned. Keep in mind that this is all my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. We did run into a couple of ties here so they were broken by whoever had the higher Accomplishments score. Also another thing to note is that when I list an Appearance score it is the number of points she got based off that ranking category, when it says Natalya got a 7 out of 10 it means she got 7 points, not that she is a "7 out of 10 in appearance" if that makes sense. Think of the Appearance points as bonus points that got added in, since 90%*of the score is from accomplishments and actual abilities. The highest anyone could have gotten was 90 points. *Now, here we go:


1. Paige

• 40/40 Accomplishments
• 19/20 Promos
• 17/20 In-Ring
• 8/10 Appearance

84 points total

Paige is the best they have right now, period. In terms of legitimate talent she is in the top tier for both promos and in the ring. How about accomplishments? She is a 2 time Divas Champion, youngest Divas Champion, and first NXT Womens Champion. She has had tremendous success for someone so young and with her legitimate abilities the potential for a fantastic career is there. She'll remain one of the very best as long as she remains in the WWE. Simply put, Paige is the best.


2. Natalya

• 34/40 Accomplishments
• 17/20 Promos
• 19/20 In-Ring
• 7/10 Appearance

77 points total

Coming in 2nd place is Natalya. Another top tier woman in both of the legitimate skill categories. She has not had the history-making accomplishments of others, so it bumped her down a little for that. However, you don't find very many with as much legitimate skill as Natalya. She's also seen success on the main roster as a former Divas Champion and makes a perfect challenger for any champion.


3. Sasha Banks

• 28/40 accomplishments
• 20/20 Promos
• 18/20 In-Ring
• 5.5/10 Appearance

71.5 points total

The main thing that hurt Sasha in the rankings is that she has not been as successful on the main roster yet. I see multiple WWE Womens Championship reigns in her future. I have to rank based off what we have actually seen though. She's great in terms of legitimate skill and was highly successful in NXT.


4. Charlotte

• 38/40 Accomplishments
• 13/20 Promos
• 13/20 In-Ring
• 4.5/10 Appearance

68.5 points total

Extremely successful on the main roster after only a year on there. Charlotte isn't as talented in the ring or in promos as some of the other girls and that is where she lost some points. She made history at this year's Wrestlemania becoming the first WWE Womens Champion (they consider it a new belt, so it is what it is) and I doubt that will be the last story of success we will see with her. Her NXT run was also successful.


5. Bayley

• 30/40 Accomplishments
• 16/20 Promos
• 16/20 In-Ring
• 6.5/10 Appearance

68.5 points total

Bayley and Charlotte had the same amount of points, so Charlotte ended up ranking higher due to the accomplishment scores. Bayley hasn't made it to the main roster yet but she is the most successful woman of all time in NXT. That combined with her legitimate skill earns her 5th place here. I do predict in future rankings she could very well top the list, depending on how things go for her on the main roster when she gets there.


6. Becky Lynch

• 20/40 Accomplishments
• 18/20 Promos
• 20/20 In-Ring
• 9.5/10 Appearance

67.5 points total

Becky is a success story waiting to happen. The lack of accomplishments other than having multiple show-stealing title matches is what hurt her overall. She is THE best in the ring and is top tier in promos. I wish I could rank her higher, but this is another case of having to go why what we have actually seen. Fingers are crossed for that WWE Womens Championship reign that she 100% deserves.


7. Nikki Bella

• 36/40 Accomplishments
• 8/20 Promos
• 8/20 In-Ring
• 3.5/10 Appearance

55.5 points total

As much as I cannot stand her, I have to give credit where it is due. She's improved in the two legitimate skill categories and she *cringes* did have the longest Divas Championship reign, whether she deserves that or not. There's better options whether you look at legitimate skill or even in appearance, nearly all of her points came from her accomplishments.


8. Emma

• 14/40 Accomplishments
• 15/20 Promos
• 15/20 In-Ring
• 9/10 Appearance

53 points total

Emma's another case of where the lack of accomplishments are what hurt the ranking. She has the skills both in-ring and in promos. The fact that she made it back to the main roster is a good sign, although if she manages to win the WWE Womens Championship or not remains to be seen. I would say she deserves a chance, I fear that the legal incident with the iPad case may keep her away from the title forever sadly. She would already have held the Divas Championship or NXT Womens Championship by now if it wasn't for that. Emma will always make a great challenger for the champions, if anything.


9. Summer Rae

• 18/40 Accomplishments
• 12/20 Promos
• 10/20 In-Ring
• 10/10 Appearance

50 points total

Summer Rae is a bit under-rated. Now that women more talented than her are making it onto the main roster, she may get lost in the shuffle long-term. No major accomplishments hurt her, and if she remains in the roles she has been in, that won't change. I don't see her winning the WWE Womens Championship anytime soon and that's coming from one of the biggest Summer Rae marks around here. She's the most attractive woman currently on the roster in my opinion, so there's that. Once the newer girls begin making accomplishments on the main roster, Summer will end up dropping lower on rakings like this in the future unless she gets a title win or two of her own.


10. Asuka

• 26/40 Accomplishments
• 6/20 promos
• 14/20 In-Ring
• 4/10 Appearance

50 points total

Asuka and Summer Rae both had 50 points. The only reason Summer beat Asuka is because Asuka is not on the main roster yet. Once she gets there, it's only a matter of time before her ranking would skyrocket. For now, we have a successful NXT run and great in-ring skills to go by. She's not the best verbally in promos, but that's ok. Her in-ring skill make up for it and I see at least one WWE Womens Championship reign for her in the future when she gets to the main roster.


11. Alicia Fox

• 32/40 Accomplishments
• 3/20 Promos
• 6/20 In-Ring
• 2.5/10 Appearance

43.5 points total

Alicia Fox's a former Divas Champion and that's the main reason she ranked as high as she did. There's much better options when you look at legitimate skill. Once the new girls catch up to her in accomplishments, she'll be further down on future rankings. I seriously doubt we will see her win another title.



12. Naomi

• 24/40 Accomplishments
• 7/20 Promos
• 11/20 In-Ring
• 1.5/10 Appearance

43.5 points total

Naomi and Alicia had the same amount of points, but Naomi has not won a title yet. I hope it stays that way. While she has improved, the new girls coming in from NXT are all better than her. She'll likely be much further down in future rankings.


13. Alexa Bliss

• 6/40 Accomplishments
• 14/20 Promos
• 12/20 In-Ring
• 8.5/10 Appearance

40.5 points total

Alexa has had a decent NXT run but has not held any titles yet and has not made it to the main roster. She certainly has the skills, but until there's a major accomplishment other than NXT Championship title shots there is nothing else to really go by. She makes a good heel challenger for the NXT Championship for now.


14. Dana Brooke

• 8/40 Accomplishments
• 10/20 Promos
• 9/20 In-Ring
• 7.5/10 Appearance

34.5 points total

The fact that Dana made it to the main roster bumped up her accomplishments score some. She has yet to win a title and still has a little improving to do to catch up to the others in legitimate skills, but she's gotten better since her NXT debut. I am unsure if she will ever hold the WWE Womens Championship but she'll make a good heel challenger for face champions.


15. Lana

• 12/40 Accomplishments
• 11/20 promos
• 3/20 In-Ring
• 5/10 Appearance

31 points total

No major accomplishments other than being on the main roster and best known for managing Rusev. If they keep her primarily in the managerial role (which is quite likely) she'll be further down on future rankings since the others will begin getting more accomplishments. There's better options for title pushes. Her promos really aren't bad, and heels like Rusev will benefit from her managing them.


16. Rosa Mendes

• 22/40 Accomplishments
• 1/20 Promos
• 2/20 In-Ring
• 2/10 Appearance

27 points total

Rosa's biggest accomplishment (unless you count her Slammy Award as a bigger achievement) is somehow still having a job after doing absolutely nothing for 8 years. She sucks at promos, she sucks in the ring, and really brings nothing to the table. She's been on the main roster for a good while yet others have not made it yet and that's the main reason she didn't come in dead last.


17. Eva Marie

• 10/40 Accomplishments
• 9/20 Promos
• 1/20 In-Ring
• 6/10 Appearance

26 points total

Say what you will about her in-ring skills (dead last at the moment) but Eva is good at heel promos and she made it back to the main roster. There are better options for title pushes and it will probably stay that way, unless WWE wants to capitalize on her heel heat. The fans HATE her. I think she'll be better off as a manager utilizing those promo skills.


18. Tamina

• 16/40 Accomplishments
• 2/20 Promos
• 4/20 In-Ring
• 1/10 Appearance

23 points total

Nothing in terms of accomplishments other than a few Divas Championship title shots. Tamina makes an ok enforcer but she's bottom tier in both legitimate skill categories. She has a lot of catching up to do now that more talented new girls are coming to the main roster. She's in last place out of the main roster women and I predict that doesn't change in future rankings.


19. Carmella

• 4/40 Accomplishments
• 5/20 Promos
• 7/20 In-Ring
• 3/10 Appearance

19 points total

I won't go as far as to say that Carmella sucks, but there's better options even in NXT. She hasn't made it to the main roster yet and when she does I don't see her doing anything outside of managing Enzo & Cass. Maybe she'll work a match here and there, but she'd get lost in the shuffle and there's plenty of women who are better than her.


20. Nia Jax

• 2/40 Accomplishments
• 4/20 Promos
• 5/20 In-Ring
• 0.5/10 Appearance

11.5 points total


Yeah, I'm not the biggest Nia Jax fan. She still sucks, although I do see the potential for some success in the future. There's better heels in NXT and she has not gotten to the main roster yet. When you compare what we have actually seen from her all we can go by are NXT Womens Championship shots, and when you look at all the women on the main roster as well as the top NXT women, Nia comes in last for now.

 

[nwocongo]

I think I can put an end to all this.... Any of the divas err..um women on the roster can sit on my face with no resistance on my part. Go big or go home

 

[JGlass]

Maybe because they aren't as good in the ring or in promos? Did that ever cross your mind? Race has nothing to do with it. I'd argue you're being a bit racist here yourself. Why does it matter that I ranked white women higher? Is it because they're white? Do you have some kind of problem against white women? It sure seems like it with the way you are acting.

I'm only talking about the appearance factor, so you can get out of here with the promo and in ring stuff.

But you might be on to something with the me being the actual racist. Sure, I didn't assign women a numerical value based on appearance and then gave all the non-white women much (MUCH) lower values than the white women, nor have I said anything derogatory about white women in this entire thread, or probably any post in my history of posting on WrestleZone forums, but the evidence IS mounting against me based on the fact that I care about non-white women.

Basically your argument here is because I care about non-white women, I must hate white women.

Come on, Dagger. You're allegedly better than this.

No, did you not read the post where I said I find all of them attractive except Nia Jax? You seriously need to learn how to read what others have posted.

I didn't say attractiveness, I said look. Look as in how effective their look is as a wrestler, not how effective their look is as Dagger's imaginary slampiece.

If you want to defend your racism and sexism, you're going to have to get that chip off of your shoulder first.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I'm only talking about the appearance factor, so you can get out of here with the promo and in ring stuff.

But you might be on to something with the me being the actual racist. Sure, I didn't assign women a numerical value based on appearance and then gave all the non-white women much (MUCH) lower values than the white women, nor have I said anything derogatory about white women in this entire thread, or probably any post in my history of posting on WrestleZone forums, but the evidence IS mounting against me based on the fact that I care about non-white women.

Basically your argument here is because I care about non-white women, I must hate white women.

Come on, Dagger. You're allegedly better than this.




I didn't say attractiveness, I said look. Look as in how effective their look is as a wrestler, not how effective their look is as Dagger's imaginary slampiece.

If you want to defend your racism and sexism, you're going to have to get that chip off of your shoulder first.

Are you really defending women with a picture of Kenny Powers in your sig?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

If anyone is really looking to paint Dagger with the sexist label, this insult of a post below is far more useful:

Depends on how the match is done. A 7 woman Ladder Match would be too dangerous. I've suggested ideas towards a Mrs Money In The Bank in the past. They could do it Battle Royal style where the last girl standing in the ring after the others are eliminated wins. Or they could do a Queen Of The Ring tournament with the winner getting a purple briefcase that has the same rules as the yellow one the guys use for the World Heavyweight.

Another idea I have suggested in the past is having the girls pick male midcarders to represent them in a traditional Money In The Bank Ladder Match that works the same way as the World Heavyweight one does. The winning midcarder gets a briefcase that he can pick between the US and Intercontinental Championship to cash in on, while the diva he represented gets a briefcase for cashing in on the Womens Champion.

The division has improved greatly, but it's not ready for a multi-woman Ladder Match. You could have Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, Emma, Paige, Natalya, and Bayley in there and it would still be too dangerous despite the current level of talent on the female roster. The division can get there, maybe in a year or two with the continued help of the NXT system.

 

[JGlass]

Are you really defending women with a picture of Kenny Powers in your sig?

I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that because I find the farcical character of Kenny Powers funny, I must share his values? I also find Cartman from South Park funny, does that mean I must share his values?

 

[Tastycles]

Fuck me.

 

[nightmare]

Keep it up Dagger. You are doing great. Why is it too dangerous? Do you think they would try to climb in high heels? Are they not capable of taking bumps?


Everyone pray to the wrestling gods we get Banks/Bayley/Bliss at WM, in a ladder match, for the strap. It would be glorious.

 

[ShinChan]

Everyone pray to the wrestling gods we get Banks/Bayley/Bliss at WM, in a ladder match, for the strap. It would be glorious.

Triple B Threat.

 

[Dagger Dias]

we are talking about Dagger rating the quality of pro wrestlers based on how much he wants to bang them.

I never said that. Just because you want to interpret it that way doesn't make it true. You can find someone attractive without "wanting to bang them".

If you want to defend your racism and sexism, you're going to have to get that chip off of your shoulder first.

Pot meet kettle. I already said race had nothing to do with it. You on the other hand, have obvious problems with white women and the one with the chip on his shoulder is YOU. And Tastycles too.

As for the Womens Ladder match post, I never said they should never have one because they are women, that would indeed be sexist. I said I was unsure if they are ready for one as a division. The Bliss/Bayley/Banks match suggested is one I wouldn't mind seeing myself later in the future.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that because I find the farcical character of Kenny Powers funny, I must share his values? I also find Cartman from South Park funny, does that mean I must share his values?

No, I'm outnonsensing your nonsense. If you want to be a social justice warrior then have at it. If you want to troll Dagger have at it. Just do a better job at both.

His post is beyond creepy in its length and effort. Is it sexist? Somewhat, but I've done worse. His Women's MITB is way more sexist. Is it degrading? Meh. Is it racist? Not really. I was going to make a joke that his original username was ****** Dies before changing it to Dagger Dias. That is far more offensive and racist even if my context did matter.

But mostly I'm just being ridiculous because most of the time that is my thing.

 

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

Fuck me.

No thanks, Dagger only rated you a 4.

To be fair I think the truth of the matter is more nuanced. I don't believe Dagger realised his post could be construed as racist/sexist at all, and if he thought he was, he would re-evaluate his stance.

I agree with what JGlass is saying in general, that the concept is objectifying and just an all around Bad Idea, but I don't believe Dagger set out with that express intention and I don't think it's fair to attempt to paint him as some sort of "evil" or continue to villlify him now that the flaws in his actions have been pointed out.

Both sides have made their points and given your different views and how you perceive each others' outlooks, you aren't going to reach any kind of compromise or resolution so it's probably better to move on.